The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:46 pm I know you hate this argument. But seriously think about it. If Glorf were town he would have said so by now. His posts all look like deer-in-the-headlights scum.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:46 pm I’m Town and you damn well know it.

You haven't been here, so you don't know that Glorf literally almost quit the site because his truth meta RUINED some of his games, for him and his team. We've been trying to AVOID that.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:47 pm We lynch Jay tomorrow or so help me Merlin.
You’re kidding me, right?

She's not, no. And I'm going to do a full ISO before the night ends.

Stop defiling yourself at his altar and at least try to read him for a bit.

Sorry [mention]Long Con[/mention]. You were a terrible lynch option.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:50 pm Sorry Long Con. You were a terrible lynch option.
what in the fuck

He is though.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm What does glorf do when he is bad? How does this truth meta thing work in that scenario?

It doesn't.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:50 pm Sorry Long Con. You were a terrible lynch option.
what in the fuck
He is though.
So you uh

So you voted for him, huh didja.

I did. I did it despite having a townread on him.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:53 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm What does glorf do when he is bad? How does this truth meta thing work in that scenario?
It doesn't.
Meaning what? He lies, like all baddies do?

No. He still doesn't. That's why it doesn't work.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:50 pm Sorry Long Con. You were a terrible lynch option.
You had other choices?

It was either that or stay on Glorfindel. Or vote somewhere else and watch Glorf get lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:55 pm "I'm weawwy sawwy I lynched you LC if onwy der was witterawwy any other choice I could have made awwww shucks look how cute I am uwu"

:3

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:57 pm Did I miss Glor claiming town again or something?

He did right after the lynch ended.

Before that he sorta did some weird pseudoclaim where he didn't want to be rezzed, and that there was no point in it. JJJ interpreted that as a truth-meta townclaim because scum-Glorf wouldn't say that and then stuff happened. I thought that the post was a workaround pseudoclaim where Glorf could say "don't rez me town" without claiming his alignment, and the post would still be 'true.'

Apparently the Truth meta goes beyond 'technically true'?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:05 pm So glor hadn't said " I am town" until after the lynch? At all? With that meta, I'm not surprised her took votes.

But to be clear, you voted someone you think is town? You had other choices.

Such as?

*looks at poll*

Keep in mind that I changed votes with less than 2 minutes left.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:08 pm You could have voted colin which would put long con still in the lead and glor tied with colin for second?

And if you were so sure of the glor thing, why wait until the last minute? It looks to me more that you wanted to grab a hallow more than you wanted to save glor.

Yes, I tried to snag a hallow. That is true. But I also ensured that I would save Glorf.

If my only other option was to vote Colin (or anyone else) and still have Long Con get lynched, why not try to grab the hallow?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:14 pm So you have a civ read on long con, and when last minute votes were moving you voted him to get a hallow.

So don't say sorry lc, you were a horrible lynch target. Say sorry lc, I wanted your hallow. That sounds more honest.

Thanks, coach.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:19 pm Nor trying to be rude, I'm sorry for my tone. But you DID admit to making a blatant grab for a power item, which does contrast with your previous chagrined tone. Hopefully another baddie will die in the night.

You weren't being rude. It's fine.

Oh. Okay. *goes back to look at rules*

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:06 pm Most likely was given Elixir of Life I think?

That is an interesting proposition.

I believe Nutella. Not caught up, just reacting.

Asked the host and elixir of life doesn't stop lynches

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 pm I know why Long Con is still alive.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 am 2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad

Unless vig

...

Unless revenge-kill for a negative non-kill ability

So like, very possibly not bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:03 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:57 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 am 2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad
Unless vig

...

Unless revenge-kill for a negative non-kill ability

So like, very possibly not bad?
"Very possibly" is a stretch my guy.

We've had what, 3 nightkills in addition to the 2 mafia kills? Why is that not a 3/5 chance?

JJJ Day 1 through Day 3, with me arbitrarily grabbing or summarizing anything I think is relevant to JJJ, INH, nutella, Nova, the state of the game, JJJ's genuineness and consistency, or glorf.

Spoiler: show

I'm going to read over what I just posted and come to a conclusion after taking a break. JJJ posts a lot. I'd like some other opinions as well. Most of what I posted was just facts, and my few opinions are clearly shown as such.

As of right now, I could absolutely see JJJ as scum. I could see him as scum with Nutella. And I could see him as town. There were hints of all these possibilities in that readthrough. I need to look at motive and figure out which is most likely.

Preferably, before night ends.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:18 am I feel bad that you’ve gone to such effort there chuckaroo, though I appreciate it anyway. It really wasn’t necessary for reasons you can’t be expected to understand, but you will in due time.

You're going to kill me, aren't you.

For real, though [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

I want to know how your read progressed on Nutella throughout the game. Mostly in the past 48 hours.

I want to know when your suspicion for INH reached its zenith.

Those are the two biggest questions that came out of my readthrough. linki: Thanks, I appreciate it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:37 am
Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:21 amI want to know how your read progressed on Nutella throughout the game. Mostly in the past 48 hours.
Early I was giving her token civilian credit for many of the reasons both you and she cited in her defense later: she was posting at a high clip, seemed loose, and was on meta.

When INH died and I reviewed his interactions with nutella, she looked as bad as anyone in the game. I was then stuck with a conflict between her appearance at face value and her dealings with the bad guy, and that brought me to question the validity of my original read (should I be giving credit for adhering to a meta like this one, or is it easily replicated? Does she really believe I am the best suspect emerging from INH’s death; does that make sense? Have I underestimated her? Etc.). I turned on her because it felt right in the moment.

The conflict remained though, because at nutella’s posting rate and given the attitude she conveyed, room for a civilian in her slot wasn’t difficult to find. Then Glorf’s stuff happened; I thought he was obvious about an hour before he claimed; and she refused to budge on his wagon. To me that looked like absolute hogshit. And so my suspicion peaked.

Most recently I’ve cooled again, as I have noticed a trend in which her behavior bears the same sort of character as my own in our dealings with each other. She is flippant, arrogant at isolated moments of inspiration, and eager to spar. At times it has felt like arguing with myself, and indeed I have enjoyed annoying her.

It may evidence that we’re approaching our dynamic from similar brains and that would bode well for her.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:21 amI want to know when your suspicion for INH reached its zenith.

Those are the two biggest questions that came out of my readthrough. linki: Thanks, I appreciate it.
I was confident in him as a mafioso when he committed the cardinal salad. I was happy to lynch either him or Soneji and would have gladly gone that way at EOD if more than just one person had bitten on the case. I also didn’t care to see Luna or Owner lynched, so remaining on the counterwagon was sensible.

I appreciate the response. It raises one more question, if you would indulge me.

If you were confident in INH's scumminess, how confident were you in Soneji's? Can you compare the two? Can you compare them to your current feelings toward Long Con?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"

I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.

No further questions, yer honor

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:53 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"
I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.
The idea that Long Con survived due to having a Hallow assumes too much and takes too many liberties. The idea that he survived because he's bad and had a Horcrux assumes much less and takes almost no liberties.

Okay, I agree with that. Assuming that a Horcrux exists is much less taxing than assuming what a hallow does, that the hallow is one-shot and game-breaky, and that LC somehow got it. In just a numbers game, there are probably equal or more scum remaining than hallows.

So why did you conflate my contradiction of your hallows statement into a blanket statement that LC is 3/5 odds town. That isn't remotely close to what I said, and that's not how reads or odds work.

I missed a question mark Macdougall.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:07 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:53 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"
I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.
The idea that Long Con survived due to having a Hallow assumes too much and takes too many liberties. The idea that he survived because he's bad and had a Horcrux assumes much less and takes almost no liberties.
Okay, I agree with that. Assuming that a Horcrux exists is much less taxing than assuming what a hallow does, that the hallow is one-shot and game-breaky, and that LC somehow got it. In just a numbers game, there are probably equal or more scum remaining than hallows.

So why did you conflate my contradiction of your hallows statement into a blanket statement that LC is 3/5 odds town. That isn't remotely close to what I said, and that's not how reads or odds work.
I read it as you giving 3/5 chances that if Long Con came upon a Hallow by way of killing then he did so because he's a good killer not a bad killer.

Didn't like it.

Well then... you read it correctly. If Long Con happened to kill to get a Hallow, 3 out of five of the kills the game were presumably not scumkills. What's wrong with that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:19 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:16 pm What’s the short version of the case on Long Con?
He bad.
How did we all reach this conclusion?

He survived a lynch. There are no town powers that allow that.

Also other things.

His INH interactions look pretty good, but some other stuff looks bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:32 pm Just a few thoughts - this probably is player salad but putting the thoughts in separate posts seems silly.

Jay described very well how I feel about nutella (not the part where I think we are of the same mind though, that is specific to Jay). I go up and down and around and around on her. I'll read her today and see if I can come to a more definitive decision.

I've been much the same with luna though in Luna's case I see her most recent stuff as more civ than bad. I didn't feel like her comment on LC was distancing or bussing, it sounded genuine to me. I'll confirm how I feel about her with a read today too.

JJJ - if I'm remembering correctly he was bad in Ass Class along with Mac. That was a heavy duty baddie team. I will probably take a look there to refresh on what they look like when bad. Others may want to do the same. He and Mac fooled us totally and completely. (Jay, it's not that I'm reading you bad at the moment but that game was humiliating and I just want to be sure I don't see parallels.)

I looked at Quin's scum game (the one for which he won the Best Baddie Socky) and his behavior looks nothing like this game. His short punchy style here to me says town but was there someone else out there who said they saw this style out of him as a baddie in some recent game?

It's not salad if you substantiate it, treat each as a read instead of a potential target, and have townreads and stuff. This isn't even close to salad.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:59 am speedchuck, answering you this was to avoid a megaquote on my phone

I’d say that on a 1-10 scale representing my relative confidence in a mafioso read on a Day 2 following a Day 1 mislynch, INH was a 7 and Soneji was a 6. Or something. I’d call Long Con presently a 7, though the scale is different on Night 3 with an active dead mafioso trailing. Nobody else presently would be comparable though.

Numbers.
I don't understand this sentence can you clarify

Having a 10 on someone day 2 is different than having a 10 on someone day 3 after a scum died the previous night. More information. Day 3 10 > day 2 10.

That's how I understood it anyway. Different scales because we have more info.

Yeah if LC has a hallow I'd like to hear about it.

Wow, that sounded better before I said it. Still probably true.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:43 pm Yeah if LC has a hallow I'd like to hear about it.

Wow, that sounded better before I said it. Still probably true.
..... would've sounded better without the disclaimer dude

It's something that needs to be addressed. The negative side of LC claiming a hallow.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm relatedly I have had some developing thoughts about speed2.0 that I'll try to get around to summarizing before the night ends, nothing elaborate but some trends have been bugging me

I will allow this if you address my JJJ writeup.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm relatedly I have had some developing thoughts about speed2.0 that I'll try to get around to summarizing before the night ends, nothing elaborate but some trends have been bugging me
I will allow this if you address my JJJ writeup.
What in there is directed at me? I saw there were some comments about me but I don't know what you want me to address.

You've been blowing smoke at JJJ for two days. I did some legwork in summarizing his actions in light of recent events.

I want your opinion.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm relatedly I have had some developing thoughts about speed2.0 that I'll try to get around to summarizing before the night ends, nothing elaborate but some trends have been bugging me
I will allow this if you address my JJJ writeup.
What in there is directed at me? I saw there were some comments about me but I don't know what you want me to address.
You've been blowing smoke at JJJ for two days. I did some legwork in summarizing his actions in light of recent events.

I want your opinion.
My opinion is you sure did some summarizing.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:07 pm Short version: Speed is buddying me and taking advantage of my suspicion of Jay.

You are so full of it.

And you are avoiding the ever-living heck out of the question.

I haven't seen ANY writeup from you on Jay. You suspected him and haven't addressed the information. You said "Jay is INH's most likely teammate. Fight me."

I am addressing that.

In light of the information I put conveniently in the thread, WHAT IS YOUR READ ON JAY?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:19 pm I haven't seen ANY writeup from you on Jay. You suspected him and haven't addressed the information. You said "Jay is INH's most likely teammate. Fight me."

I am addressing that.

In light of the information I put conveniently in the thread, WHAT IS YOUR READ ON JAY?
I suspect him. I think at this current juncture I suspect him less than I suspect you and Colin. I can see a world in which he is good and a world in which he is bad, which is basically the same thing you said except you included me as a factor.

That's so neat.

I am proceeding forward with the presumption that JJJ is civ for now. I was the person that called out his teammates in Mountain Mafia, so I know how he busses. In that game, the cases he made didn't stick and were invalidated by responses. He called out the smaller things in order to obscure the bigger picture.

I don't think Jay is doing that this game. The results speak for themselves. Suspicion on INH did not wane. JJJ, one way or another, was the main reason that INH was lynched. I would not think them likely teammates, because even while tunneling and investigating JJJ's posts through the game, I didn't find that likely. I went into that ISO with bias and only came away thinking "It's technically possible."

I'm down to argue if people want to, but I suspect I'm the only one who cared. :P And besides, Jay said something would invalidate my hard work.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:54 pm I am proceeding forward with the presumption that JJJ is civ for now. I was the person that called out his teammates in Mountain Mafia, so I know how he busses. In that game, the cases he made didn't stick and were invalidated by responses. He called out the smaller things in order to obscure the bigger picture.

I don't think Jay is doing that this game. The results speak for themselves. Suspicion on INH did not wane. JJJ, one way or another, was the main reason that INH was lynched. I would not think them likely teammates, because even while tunneling and investigating JJJ's posts through the game, I didn't find that likely. I went into that ISO with bias and only came away thinking "It's technically possible."

I'm down to argue if people want to, but I suspect I'm the only one who cared. :P And besides, Jay said something would invalidate my hard work.
INH wasn't lynched tho

Okay, yeah. Wasn't thinking when I typed that. I meant to say it's why he was vigged, but again technically that could have been a reactive revenge kill thing.

If he was vigged by a swayed townie, point stands.

Speedchuck 2.0

Timmer
karavalenge
Lunalee
poutanko
Sloonei
ColinIsCool
Juliets
nutella

Quin
JaggedJimmyJay
DharmaHelper
Jackofhearts2005

Long Con
Epignosis
MacDougall
sprityo

LC and Owner possible alignment?

These are my POE notes I'm keeping. Reference in case I get killed. Order doesn't matter that much.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:20 pm When is EON? Soon?

Sometime in the next hour and a half, if we're looking at 23 or 24 hour nights.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:23 pm Speed can you explain why you have Colin in green?

It might be outdated.

Early in the game, he cared a lot about the roof. High effort. Since then I haven't seen anything to change my mind. Everything else I've seen is just obvious statements and "world-building" which the syndicate seems to frown on for some reason.

Why wouldn't he be in there?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:45 pm Who is bullzeye? Bullzeye's slot is a scum slot.

That's me.

TBF I have you as town in tone and action and everything except your weirdness with the vigs and fake flips and stuff. My rainbow list was more of a POE list.

And Jack is almost down there with you. He keeps jumping back and forth.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:39 pm Search my posts for his name. I have a few gripes with him from day 3 and today.

"Lynch me then rez me!" - WIFOM weirdness. It doesn't make sense for town or mafia. I don't know what to do with it.

No INH interactions - fair point. Had forgotten.

Buddied by Long Con until the going got tough - Not sure how this reflects on him exactly. Scum can help out teammates and/or buddy townies. Also depends on LC being scum for it to mean anything at all.

Colin draws a link between Long Con and Luna without completing it - The syndicate apparently has a 'thing' against people building scumteams or making associations before the lynch goes through. It's called world-building where I come from. And Colin's

in that follow-up post seemed more like a "you said it, not me" kind of thing.

-

He probably should be in my light greens and not my dark greens though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:45 pm Who is bullzeye? Bullzeye's slot is a scum slot.
That's me.

TBF I have you as town in tone and action and everything except your weirdness with the vigs and fake flips and stuff. My rainbow list was more of a POE list.

And Jack is almost down there with you. He keeps jumping back and forth.
Oh. Okay you're scum.

You're welcome.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:01 pm
Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:55 pm

Yes it is you arrogant twerp
Why is it arrogant of her?
Because I am mad and say angry things
No, I mean... nutella is arrogant to dictate what is or isn't town Mac. Is nutella a Civ then?
I don't have the liberty of knowing her alignment Long Con.
Just that arrogance of that type doesn't translate to a baddie. A baddie knows who's Civ, so it's not arrogance to label people, it's TMI.

I think you just accidentally revealed nutella is Civ.

Let's not forget this exchange for when LC flips Mafia.

And what should we draw from the exchange?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:04 pm Also sorry for calling you a twerp nutella. That was mean and uncalled for.

Linki: Oh just that I am locktown.

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