The Syndicate

So wait, was Nutella bad

Does anyone have any theories as to why nutella would have been killed? I'm not used to having flips on lynch and not on nightkill.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:00 pm TonyStarkPrime voted last minute on somebody who wasn't getting lynched.

He is Marcus Vanston.

I get that marcus has a double vote, but I'm gonna need more explanation as to why Prime would do this with that role

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:28 amLD rules?

Yeah, could someone familiar with lie detection explain the rules? I was about to throw crap at Golden for making a terrible waste of a lie-detector statement, considering that his worst post of the game.

linki: yeah it doesn't make much sense for a post limitation to be placed on the only person who already was using a post limitation

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:25 pm Why is it clear that it was INH - because Poppy originated in his Blue Velvet game?

Rico thought INH was bad before. This is just the icing on the cake. If I have time today, I'll probably do an INH iso.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:43 pm One way to figure out who Marcus is: everyone votes for themself. Whoever dies is Marcus.

Fantastic, but it wouldn't work.

Host wrote: -Anyone who targets Khoshekh will have +1 vote added on them the next day.
-The Glow Cloud uses its influence to force a player’s vote each Day.
-*Secrets*

Not with all that going on. Even if none of this happened, everyone cooperated, and all was good, Marcus could wait and be one of the last few votes, then put an unstoppable lead on someone for an extra free lynch. Sure, we'd kill him tomorrow, but that would suck.

linki: That's true. Of the two that have stated how annoying this is, I could see LC doing what you described there, but not Epi. LC being the "Oh I thought this was LMS" guy. Yes, I'm always going to remember him as that.

Second linki: Thanks for rendering me worthless, LC.

Poppy seems more vengeful this game. Sheesh.

INH, what are your reads right now? Last time you gave them, I think Made was still topping your scumlist.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:23 pm Poppy seems more vengeful this game. Sheesh.

INH, what are your reads right now? Last time you gave them, I think Made was still topping your scumlist.

P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y That's me!

Shit on my reads you aiiim
Constantly through this gaaame
Hope you will take the blaaame
When wolves will rise to fame

I could actually see Sprit, INH, or Golden as scum. The first two more than the latter. So I'm asking questions.

I just realized why Golden phrased his Lie detect phrase in the particular way he did, by adding on the not knowing Nutella's alignment.

I'm willing to believe he's town, and not on either mafia team.

I could vote for LC. I've only got an hour left and then I'm not going to be around consistently for end day.

My suspects are LC, Dom, maybe Tony, perhaps INH, and Sprit. The last of which I'd rather not lynch without more discussion.

Let it be known that Golden made 40 posts on night 1

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:00 pmCoward

???

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:01 pm Wanna lynch INH?

What are your other scumreads?

They are relevant to me answering your question.

Nah, I'm good

I don't currently suspect Golden. DF hasn't been noticeable enough to make me scumread him. And INH is one of my weakest scumreads.

The less your grouping of scum overlaps with mine, the less likely I am to take a lynch suggestion from you.

I could be wrong, but I can't just go around assuming I'm wrong and throwing votes. That would be stupid.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:17 pmThat's dumb.

I'm not going to trust a flat-earth biologist.

One has nothing to do with the other, but if I disagree about the earth, it lowers my estimation of the current accuracy of that person's scientific statements.

So you having reads that I wholeheartedly disagree with makes me leery of your other reads.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:17 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:56 pm Let it be known that Golden made 40 posts on night 1

Is this a good thing?

It means he was here and able to help select a night target. Not that it matters that much.

Reading over an ISO of LC, IMO, points to potential alignment with Dom. That one reason I am a little more okay with voting those two than my other scumreads.

But I'm going to



and let the jury handle the rest. I'll be taking my leave now. GL.

EBWOP:

Formatting sucks

I'm back, about to catch up.

Murder is the worst substance. Keep that out of here.

Work is crazy today. Promise, I will catch up and post everything I think before night is out.

Epi asked about my wildly fluctuating reads on D1. Answer: It was D1.

Sheesh. Dom, Golden cares about scumhunting and not about defending himself. He's having fun. Spending a bunch of time on defense isn't fun and usually make the player useless or makes them look worse. I know it's frustrating. Pls try to have fun.
Golden, if you are going to stick with the hands-off approach, stop telling him that. It's keeping the conversation going, adding nothing, and cluttering up my reread. Seriously.

Sorry you don't like my LC vote Epi. Just can't do right by you this game. :P
(Granted, being right was a little bit of luck. I wasn't that sure of myself.)

I agree that silencing is a bad mechanic. Along with alignment changing and lynchproofs. Lynchproofs are the worst.

Rico earning a lot of brownie points from me with his detailed read list

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:59 pm So Jack is sold that LC's team tried to save him, even though he didn't vote to save himself.

LC wasn't around. This doesn't necessarily apply to his teammates.

Just like other people being quiet in BTCC lately doesn't necessarily apply to Golden.

Bad logic, baddie.

It's not bad logic. It's a different perspective. You don't do well with those.

Luckily, I can tell bad perspectives I disagree with (Epi) from good ones I disagree with (Lorab).

Please explain how LC not voting to save himself means his team didn't.

I don't need to explain it. You are assuming LC's team tried to save him. I am not making that assumption.

I explained why the votes were saves.

You are arguing they weren't with no reasoning.

I think you are wrong. All LC's team had to do to give him a chance (or save him outright) was to vote for Dom, who trailed LC by one vote.

That was not an attempt to save him.

Wouldn't this just be an argument for Dom possibly being LC's teammate?

Throwing that out there.

Strongest Townreads RN: Golden, LoRab, Eloh

Feeling good about Sprit as of late too

IDK, Rico's given clearer reads than most people. I'll interpret them if I ever get a spare twenty minutes

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:41 pm Strongest Townreads RN: Golden, LoRab, Eloh

Feeling good about Sprit as of late too

Did an ISO.

Don't feel quite as strong as I did. Eloh's read depends on Dom's read a lot. I could see one or the other as being LC's teammate. Not both.

Perhaps also TSP, INH, Wilgy, or DF.

I need to do more ISOs probably. And then there's the whole other mafia team. Wouldn't be surprised to see Timmer or Boomslang on there.

Guuuuut

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:42 pmGolden w/w LC?

No.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:14 pm I think jack/epi is town/town

Why? I'm not seeing it.

Regarding Dom,
Who played in R3k? Alternatively, link pls.

Oh, my bad

Good god that game had a lot of players.

So does anyone have any thoughts about Rico being silenced? It seems weird. First one team curses him, then the other silences him. Of course, the curse could be for the weird novelty thing that's going on, but the silencing comes from the other team.

Rico's big targets have been Golden and INH. He thinks INH is behind the hexing, but the silence comes from the other team. It doesn't even work as a frame job.

Who else has Rico suspected? TSP, as of his last readlist. With a few sideeyes

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:33 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:22 pm There are two possible motives FOW has for cursing people with old-game-specific posting restrictions: Sheer fuckery, or to mislead the town.

I believe it to be the latter.

I think you're trying to steer us away from those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.

See, this is the problem I've been having ever since Trump opened his mouth.

I tend to agree with INH's theory, but it could really go both ways. I don't like scum misleading us, and either the curses are doing that or INH is possibly scum and is reverse misleading us.

In any case, we're being presented with curses that we can ignore, rather than curses that limit conversation. In the interest of not being misled, I'm going to do just that. For the most part, ignore the curses.

I would be surprised if this all started without at least one player from one of the games on FOW's team.

Ugh I do not feel like figuring all of this out right now.

Between TSP and INH... I've been more consistently bad-feely about INH, but the TSP case has merit. Not lynching Dom today. Wilgy is a possibility that I need to ISO, perhaps tomorrow.

Wait, are Jack and Golden voting for TSP for completely different reasons? Golden thinks he's a politician, Jack thinks he's Marcus. And there's a legit argument for both.

Sure, Vote TSP.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:05 pm RAAAAAAAINBOW LIST

INH
Boomslang
JOH
Dom
Sprityo
Timmer
Neverwhere
Wilgy
Lorab
Golden
Speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Elochin

WHY AM I POOP-COLORED!?

(And could you explain your read on me, thanks)

Speedchuck

Golden
Lorab

Ricochet
Sprityo
JOH

Boomslang
Timmer
Wilgy
Neverwhere


INH
Dom
Elochin
Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime

I don't really have anyone that stands out and screams HAAAAAAAAI'M SCUUUUUM But that's how it goes. Eloh has dropped after impressing me on D1, Dom has risen from last place, TSP has dropped thanks to possible coalignments, vote placement, and gut feels after his defenses today, Sprit's points about Epi are things I believe in (Epi is more shade-throwy than usual, but hasn't followed up), Lorab's been great today, Wilgy is a wild card.

I think that covers my stream-of-consciousness stuff. As for you INH, you are only low because I feel like Rico might know something, and because your reads have basically been opposite mine the whole game. Not great reasons, I must admit. But they were giving me the willies.

Moved you up accordingly.

Oh, and linki: Apparently we finally agree on something, INH

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:40 pm "shade-throwy but hasn't followed up?"

I think you need to research what throwing shade really means, speedchuck.

Perhaps. I've not heard/used the term often.

Let me be blunt. What is your current opinion of me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:47 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:40 pm "shade-throwy but hasn't followed up?"

I think you need to research what throwing shade really means, speedchuck.

Perhaps. I've not heard/used the term often.

Let me be blunt. What is your current opinion of me?

You aren't bad. You voted early both times. One was Made but the other netted Long Con. If you are on the other team, you are being bold, and you have never struck me as bold. On top of that, your response to me about your switching opinions didn't have the aroma of agenda. If you are bad, I would be surprised.

Huh. I thought you thought I was bad, and were just not pursuing it for some reason. That would have been atypical play for you, I think.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:57 pm Why? Because I asked you about your changes of opinion?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:49 pm I am also not enthusiastic about speedchuck's vote for Long Con, followed up by someone he apparently suspects. I am hoping to hear more from speedchuck before I vote.

This bit.

Granted, that was before he flipped. But it was never really followed up on.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:02 pm I thought your vote on Made sucked, so your vote on Long Con looked like more of the same- voting first out of the blue to escape accountability.

Huh. Thought it was the opposite.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:18 pm That sucks on multiple levels. I didn't miss something did I? Tony was definitely leading on the poll?

According to the poll post, yeah

Eloh had like what, one or two votes?

Sprityo and INH voted for Eloh, yep. Not near enough.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:31 pm Neverwhere is Pamela.

I'm here in between matches of Overwatch.

I think secrets are more likely than Sprit being Marcus.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:59 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:05 pm More pressing issues?

Maybe no one took you seriously?

Then the baddies have won.

You were (correct me if I'm wrong) posting against Timmer, Eloh, TSP, Golden, and possibly Wilgy and Epi.

One of those was wrong, one looks to be right. I don't understand the case on Timmer (behind and requesting replacement isn't necessarily bad unless it's a thing for scum!timmer). I disagree with lynching Golden. Please, do present your case on the two others.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:20 pm My communication was relatively unrestricted and I'm very annoyed people made no attempt at discourse with me and then will claim I don't go after anyone but Golden.

I didn't do that today, and I understand that your stance on timmer could change.

I'm not challenging you right now, just trying to get some of that discourse you asked for going.

WELCOME INTERLOPER QUIN

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:38 pm And you're implying that you got a message that told you that Wilgy is Cecil. Since your implied role doesn't have that ability. And Cecil doesn't have that ability, not sure what you're claiming. But that's now 2 claims that you think might be something but you can't say anything as to why. Which doesn't inspire confidence. That said, I believe that you believe that you figured something. So, please share more.

What is his implied role? I'm having trouble following.

For the record, there are two roles at least that interact with Cecil at night. TSP can't be those, or he's be dead. Then even other roles might affect Cecil by chance targeting, which is then something that might affect the broadcast. So... not impossible.

Curious about Wilgy's response.

Playing without role claims is weird.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:48 pm Why <is TSP> likely dead soon?

TSP just survived a lynch somehow, and a townie got flipped instead. That's the theory mess that's being talked about.

Well, I guess Timmer dying is convenient. No replacement needed.

Sad to see you both go though

linki: wtf

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:56 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:52 pm "Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:55 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:54 pm I guess I get the arguments that there's no way Eloh had time to write the Cecil posts.

this, i can agree with

And like that, I'm mostly convinced.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:56 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:52 pm "Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

This turn of events has seriously lost me a bit. Do we know whether Wilgy is Kevin or Cecil? What do we think Tony is, then? If someone could summarize those two questions for me, my reads would be more absolute.

For that matter, if anything I say below could be argued against, please do it. I've been out and about all weekend.

Boomslang - I've had very little impression. I don't remember anything Booms has contributed, and that worries me. According to votes, he's been after TSP for some time. Was the last vote on Made. Not a good look if TSP is town. Perhaps an okay look if TSP is scum. Double scumteams hurts voter analysis.

Dom - Can't remember him ever saying much.

No, I'm kidding. Dom is a likely timmer-killer. Jury's out on whether that was a good decision, but I think it gives him a good look. I feel good about Dom, even if I still think suspecting Golden is ridiculous.

Dr Wilgy - Kevin or Cecil? Or neither? I actually had Wilgy on the lower half of my list coming into today. And now... possible self-curse from politicians? Or is he cleared of that.

Just south of a Null read here.

Epignosis - Golden made some good points just now. I don't have the strongest read on Epi, but I can't reconcile him with either scumteam.

Golden - Town read all game, not aligned with LC. Could technically be Politicians? I really doubt it.

insertnamehere - Suspected by everyone, has focused a lot on that suspicion. One of the people suspected of weird curses. Rico especially sees that. INH and Rico not w/w.

Jackofhearts2005 - Silenced once and pushed to vote twice, I think. Doubtful that he's scum. Still possible because of wine. Which scumteam is he more likely to be on? He has noted that he's being forced to vote his suspects, so maybe he's throwing everyone off by stealing his own vote for the lie detector. Waste of a role.

The silencing is more inconvenient, but seriously, nobody will vote for a silenced person. WIFOM everywhere. Occam's Razor says he's probably not scum.

Quin - Judgment pending. Not even on the lynch table. Could be any role, on any team. Technically, Neverwhere was on the Made lynch, but I started that one. D1. Null read.

Ricochet - Had pretty good town feels earlier. With the field narrowing, I'm becoming more suspicious.
Rico did not vote D1 despite being one vote away from a tied lynch. Not very self-preserving. Has voted for INH every day since. Eeehhhh.

sprityo - Another person suspected as more likely to do weird curses. Hasn't been around for Romance of the Three Kingdoms that was referenced. Possible Wilgy curse may be different. IDK.
I have a townread on Sprit, but I do also feel like he is the type that could enjoy silly WIFOM-y shenanigans. I did say I was going to ignore the curses, but it seems like everything the politicians do is this silliness.

TonyStarkPrime - Pending on me figuring out what the heck is going on. I thought the lynch flip looked bad on him, but he's seemed calm and town-oriented ever since, at least as much as possible. Still wary, but I'm willing to look into other targets.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm feel free to ask me about them, or ignore them completely if they don't fit your pre-chosen narrative about me.

Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin

Curious about your top three here. Everyone seems to have a stronger read on Boomslang than I do. I don't get it.

Sprit I can see, but I was wondering what your theory is regarding post gimmicks in general. Who on your bad reads do you think would have done it, and why isn't that sprit? You know these guys better than me.

And how do you have a read at all on Quin/Neverwhere?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:57 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm PERSON I'D MOST LIKE TO LYNCH: Ricochet.

You wanna talk about people who aren't hunting? What about the dude who communicates solely through emojis and has just been harping on the same goddamn dude for the the majority of the game?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:53 pm Vote INH

Rico just claimed wolf?