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tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 am Town
Tutuu
MacDougall
OddMerta
MasterRadishes (sheeping Mac)
Towny (attempt to toneread, low confidence)
Dyachei
Hally
Nutella
Re: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!
I wanted to gut townread Dizzy and Tim too but I think it's cuz I like them and I wanna reach a bit more than I should. It's like, a bias that u have to keep in mind. Not blindly townread ur friends. (Obviously not to say the ppl I chose to gut townread aren't my friends! I just meant there is a bit more juice on there, imo!)
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 amNutella-chan definitely town, ppl who arent townreading her are missing out on a free read accuracy record boost!nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 amidk i kinda have the opposite immediate take, that we let them townside as long as possible lmao but that's like a game philosophy sort of question and i'm usually wrong about that kind of thing so probably don't listen to meMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:33 am So when I looked at this game the first time I realised that we actually need to hunt this rogue because the setup is listed as town vs. mafia vs. rogue and Sloonei wouldn't have written it that way if there was:
a) more than one independent
b) the independent can win with the other alignments
Now Wilgy is clearly just memeing (like to 99%) but if we DO in fact catch a rogue or someone hard claims 3p we need to just turbo them.
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:36 am throwing away early gut townreads. only care about logic and no feelings, just like ben shapiro.
townreads:
tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta
alison
JPIC
master radishes
nanook
poison chan
tedxtr
timsup2nothin
not townreads:
nutella
hally
dyslexicon
dyachei
staypositivefriend
drwilgy
colin
herm
long con
samu samu
spirityo
fallen prince
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:42 pm 1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 am people that i can see being wolves:
2. ColinIsCool
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
6. juliets
8. Herm
10. Long Con
14. nutella
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend
21. Timsup2nothin
in the sense that i dont (want to) proactively scumread these people. i dont wanna case them or justify my scumreads on them (if possible)
everyone is like a mixed bag, everyone has towny stuff going for them, but like
i just dont find the "thing" that i find in other ppl that make me go like "no way this person is town"
if i were to rank these from most towny (for me) to least towny (for me) it would be:
(excluding long con)
21. Timsup2nothin
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
2. ColinIsCool
8. Herm
6. juliets
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend + 14. nutella (same tier)
again if possible please dont ask me to justify these, i am acknowledging that everyone has towny stuff going for them, this is just my subjective interpretation on the ppl who have towntold the least in my perception
Every time Tutuu has made a an alignment claim about someone but with context (13)
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tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:34 pm First dumbass read of the game (trust me there are plenty more coming)
I think MacDougall is town because he is acting like he doesnt care (can i slank plz) and yet he voted "Yes" on the poll if he read the rules and I wanna believe that he read them cuz otherwise wouldnt it have been funnier to vote "No"
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:04 am i wanted to distance from my scum buddy JPIC by starting a wagon on them, but as soon as mac dougall joined me i swiftly changed my vote to fallen prince to avoid putting too much pressure on my buddy
but its too late, i am now cornered into hard bussing JPIC. my only saving grace is to make this WIFOM post and pretend im being sarcastic when i am in fact telling the truth about whats going on!
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:03 am i wish to townread tim for voting oddmerta who i think is obv town and multiple ppl agree is obv town
also i realize im spreading myself so thin that chances are (as usual) ive townread a bunch of wolves so at the end it doesnt matter. i shouldnt feel down about it. mafia is just to have fun
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:58 am multiple people agree oddmerta is obvious town
macdougall believes hes obv town for posting this itt and not in wolf chat
spf townreads him for the detailed / effort put in this read, despite it being impossible to figure out what he meant
i level 1 townread him cuz it just felt like a townie trying to be helpful idkOddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:00 amAre you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for thatMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:51 amTim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:40 pm Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.
alison also town locked him dunno the reasons
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:11 am not to sound like a broken record and by no means i insist ppl to listen to my reads cuz they dont tend to be that good but
pretty confident on ted being town here. apart from the stuff ive said already, like, look at his change of emotions, look at how he's acting now, trying to work together and stuff. like.
regardless he's pretty town
im posting this cuz paranoid u guys will cfd him or something and then i'd regret not defending him
ill put it on my to-do list to towncase him later if he's still being scumread i guess
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:54 am im not scumeading any of the active posters. makes me feel weird like what am i supposed to think, that all scum are literally afk or we are misclearing ppl but if so who
mafia hard
tbh like .. yeah. mafia hard. i have no expectations im gonna win. and i shouldnt. mafia is just to socialize with friends thats all
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:25 ami am not perceiving any towntells coming from you (which if ur town is not necessarily ur fault!)staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 am i know that these are subjective/gut reads, but how did i end up at the bottom of your tier with nutella? are there any specific reasons?
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:04 amhe lied about playing scummy on purpose, he said that he did because he wanted to look smartMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:02 amI have yet to have anyone reasonably explain why Ted was being scummy on purpose then got upset for being called scum. Don't even think Ted himself has attempted to explain it. So until then I'm really not rating any Ted townreads.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 amDon't think ted is cleared but I have him as town. I was part of that team too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pmI've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.
flip this: can you explain why he, as scum, faked himself being upset when he has no apparent logical reason to
scum do fake being upset for townreads sure, but dont scum like being logical to make sure they do indeed receive the townread
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:01 amcuz im paranoid of spf's scum game and i dont see her being obv town and i dont find myself nodding along as im reading her posts as i did in her 2 champs games and from my perception shes making simple reads and simple posts and idk maybe im expecting the impossible and im unfair but i think she mafia and kills ppl at night
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:35 amOkay fine Samu is town, Alison is right.Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:34 amUps...Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 amPero respondeme!!!!Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 amOkay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.
If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.
I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.
Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?
Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso
But answer me!!!
It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me
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tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:07 am reads i am not wrong about
ALISON is playing her hearts out. she is coming from a game in which she felt as if tho part of the reason she lost was cuz she had no time to spent posting itt, so note how much effort she is putting in thread camping 24/7. she wants to make up for it and prove herself, and disregarding that just read her posts
sprityo please consider I have considered and this is just an appeal to emotion. I get playing your heart out, we all want to win. But that doesn't make someone town
MACDOUGALL is not as consistently obvtown as alison, looks like he is more turbulent, but his nitro speed rush thing on day was enough to lock town and never reevaluate Playing fast and loose is enough to be town? just saying something and sticking to your guns is 90% of your criteria for being town?
TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno
Not an awful read. you can shorten it to "He was acting out, but changed it after receiving negative attention. I think he was being scummy on purpose but I dont know why."
this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urselftutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:40 amtowny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment
"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*
completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy
when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town
im messaging this specifically for the ppl who r voting ted, cuz i think they're wrong and i wanna try to help. namely @Hally and @Timsup2nothin
No comment here, this is a matter of perspective and opinion. It might be important if ted or tutuu is mafia though.
ODDMERTA havent been paying attention to him lately but early d1 was enough. honestly actually kinda forgot but i just remember he was blatantly obvious town. if it matters id need to reread my own iso to bring up the arguments"Town because early posts, but now i forget."
reads i could be wrong about
DRWILGY uh i think i thought cuz he went against the grain and scumread me when i was obvious town to everyone. also had a bunch of towny / idiosyncratic stuff, i can think of only 1 top of my head, the thing with "tutuu why arent u engaging with me on our different reads on mac" and after some back n forth he said "but i never explained my mac read lmao" like dunno if this is a mess of words but he like paid attentino / hold his hearts to his chest / was aware of that and thought it was like a "gotcha" moment to catch me scum or something? I can agree with the observation and input about wilgy. But I don't see why he would be lower than some of the above people.
HALLY cuz of how much we mindmelded, and in general their tone and energy and everything. a bunch of ppl and me were paranoid they were wolfing in her sf game cuz of how much tehy wanted to sheep and be a "Support" instead of a "Carry" but we learned thats just what they like to do as town If you call mindmelding sheeping eachother than sure. other than that it is just "i like how this person talks" but not about game related stuff. the issue of Hally just wanting to sheep entirely is a good point though.
JPIC because of how little he cares and how much he continually wolfclaims and actively trolls for entertainment BUT thats not the only thing he's doing. he isn't a 1-trick pony that gets stale, you CAN see a few reads and thoughts here and there, he is reading and considering the game, while masking it behind the trolling and "idgafuckness" like something something ppl who pretend to care about the game less than they do - towntell
If anything this makes me like JPIC less if I was going to base my opinion of him off this reasoning. personal preference again, but this looks more negative than positive.
MASTER RADISHES im just sheeping my towncore. cant put him any higher than this @Alison at the end of the day i cant in good faith trust my towncore enough to put their townreads in my top town tier over my own (in the sense of not that i dont trust u (towncore) that u arent town, just trust on the read accuracy) This just confused me entirely. something about sheeping. so no real opinion or evidence is given.
NANOOK i thought derpcleared himself town for thinking there are only 4 mafia and not 5 why
POISON-TAN i think is a terrible liar and would not pocket ppl left and right as mafia. she is just so honest and genuine and its easy to see imo from my one game with poison i kind of get that feeling from her but I can't just accept something I havent experienced more than once.
reads i could very well be wrong about, these r just my feelings
SPRITYO i leaned town cuz of his anti-consensus push on alison, usually a towntell to scumcase and vote the consensus towncore like that. some other ppl said some things and stuff about him being town, i didnt rly pay attention to what they said, i just noted they townread them (so its a plus that other ppl found him town too i mean) I'm being townread kind of for being different and making a big post. You really shouldn't trust just off that unless you agree with me. or think my points are valid and misguided. something along those lines.
TIMSUP2NOTHING i townread him for his anti-consensus push on omerta, now that im seeing his push on tedxtr i kinda like want him to stop pushing my townreads tho cuz it gives me a cold feet. and like ... idk, i think he's hard to read this game This is a weird read. just engage tim on the subject.
COLIN i leaned town cuz of ... actualyl literally inexplainableyea
DYACHEI gut townread also liteally inexplaianble mhm
DIZZYgut townread cuz how he doesnt care how he comes off as, and he played similar slanky/sheepy as town before, but i guess if he were to roll scum why not copy it? dunno This is a correct statement of what could be happening.
my poe of 6 ppl (cuz 5 mafia and 1 sk)
JULIETS
NUTELLA
STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
HERM
SAMUSAMU
LONG CON
pls dont ask to justify my scumreadstsk tsk tsk
my brain doesnt work on the process of "i put X as my scumread cuz i found that this thing they've done to be scummy"
my brain works on the process off "everyone starts at ground level, and i try to townhunt and elevate ppl up, and those ppl i dont find anything to elevate up on, i just leave at the bottom" This is totally a fine way to work at things but leaving yourself little notes or at the least posts here and there will help you collect your thoughts. You'll eventually look scatterbrained and might draw the wrong attention. Or you do it in the hopes that post volume will drown out someone wanting to ISO your posts, etc.
-35/220 posts are game relevant. 13 of them offer content we can use to cross reference people. and roughly 180 of them are non game relevant/fluff posts.
-Take those statistics as you will, but my concern is in the previous large post I just commented on. I didn't agree with most of the reads, or at the least how they were justified. A mafia player will tread lightly and keep people satisfied.
-I'm not into the whole silly and ditzy deal. Sure you can do it, as long as we're not swamping the thread with things that will make it harder to catch up and understand the thread. Everyone hates catch up (Down with Ketchup!) so as mafia you don't necessarily have to worry about staying on topic most the time.
-My biggest pet peeve about Tutuu is the 24 claims with no backing, at least that's how they appeared in the ISO. some may have supporting posts before them just not quoted. but it appears that these are all gut reads/emotional reads and that the reads list posted will tell us nothing in the case of tutuu flipping, or if someone flips mafia and we need to cross examine.
-Last but not least I'm wondering about the sudden bringing up of a CounterWagon. I will go over this in my next post. This will be more of a reason why I believe tutuu to be mafia, but for this half:
TL;DR: Tutuu is mafia for fluffing around most the game, sheeping a majority of reads and not providing a considerable impact to the game. Instead choosing to be around and look like they are playing and effecting the game.
oh, i see. 
Thank you Ted
But any attack on me is a personal attack 
Wild Right?
Good job mac you’re very good at mafia