The Syndicate

I've begun staring at the polls for awhile now, slightly drunk on port...

The deathly Hallows cannot be transferred, it says.

Do you think a baddie could have started with a hallow?

Also, what is w/w?

I'm struggling to pst what I wantto say properly, I'm a bit lit.

I'll write it better tomorrow but I'm hot liking long con s vote history and vote timing... I think it is vey possible he saved owner day 1. I think his inh vote needs more study too. He's been very manipulative with his voting strategy and his early stated aim to be hallow hunting makes for easy cover for those late votes

I'll try to lay it out better tomorrow

Skimming through to catch up... Mac's focus on the chance that we are not in fact down two dead baddies is interesting, to say the least, but I'm not sure where to go with it . I'll admit I'm at a loss in the game right now... my suspicions have flopped, my thoughts on lc last night make no sense to me now, I'm going to watch the pats/packers game and then regroup later tonight.

K, so my Pat's game is over, so I can get back to this.

Guys, I always write the way I write in this game. I don't like to push ideas if I'm unsure of them, so I always make clear that I'm unsure. It's how ive always posted in mafia. So if you are going to lynch me for it, honestly I'm prob done for good. This is the very reason ive gone such long stretches without playing, this happens every fucking time.

And long con, really? That post of mine that you said you found troublesome? I was describing my job. I was at work. Its what I do.

I'm sorry I have no major ideas to push. I'm clearly not cut out for this.

The only useful thing I can tell you is that there really may be something to the idea that the dead baddies aren't necessarily bad. And there may be a serial killer attached to it.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:01 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:43 am Here's how it went down from my perspective, one mental state at a time.

1. Bullzeye voted for nova.
2. Timmer and a few others found Bullzeye's vote extremely suspicious.
3. Nova was killed and flipped bad.
4. Some people (myself included) suspect Bullzeye even more, thinking that he placed a vote on a teammate.
5. Timmer comes out with a 180 on Bullzeye, calling him his top civ read after the events of the night but not due to a cop check.
6. I look at the list of abilities to see what might explain this that's not cop-ish per se. I notice the one that tracks which player a player targeted, and it occurs to me that perhaps Bullzeye vigged nova since he presumably suspected him, and perhaps timmer tracked Bullzeye since he suspected him, and saw that he targeted nova, and is now townclearing Bullzeye as the vig.
7. I accept this and decide to townread both bullzeye and timmer based on this interpretation.
8. The topic comes up again and Jay questions how timmer could know anything and says that he blocked timmer.
9. I say "wouldn't he not have gotten a result at all if he were blocked?"
10. That turns out to be moot as timmer admits that it was not based on anything he did at all, it was just based on something that happened (i.e. nova's death).
11. I figure that timmer had just made an educated guess that bullzeye vigged nova and decided to townclear him. Since it made so much sense to me when I was investigating back when I thought timmer actually knew something, I figured that I still believed it made sense even though it turned out timmer didn't actually know, and I continued to agree with timmer/believe that bullzeye killed nova.
12. For a while I still figured that this looked good for timmer. I no longer feel like I have much justification for that; he could easily have scum motivation for pulling his 180 on bullzeye in the way that he did.

@timmer

does number 5 come from any sort of info you got?

Gah. So I came out in favor of bullz because of a combination of my night action, which i knew had been unsuccessful but not why, and the people who died. I was able to make some educated guesses based on the deaths that night, when my lack of success was factored in, knowing what I knew.

I hadn't anticipated that I had been blocked, and mostly hedged jjj's post about it because I hadn't meant for people to start revealing their info publicly and I felt bad that he had said it.

But I stuck my thoughts on bullz because of a new educated guess in light of me being blocked, I kind of remade the puzzle and it still worked in his favor, in my mind.

But.... the thought that the dead baddies may not be bad is something I most definitely had not thought of, and it has me convinced that there is a third party killing role.

I'd rather not say more because I'd rather keep my shit locked up a bit. But I don't think those dead baddies are necessarily bad and I'm not sure they were killed by a vig.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:38 am

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 am Guys, I always write the way I write in this game. I don't like to push ideas if I'm unsure of them, so I always make clear that I'm unsure. It's how ive always posted in mafia. So if you are going to lynch me for it, honestly I'm prob done for good. This is the very reason ive gone such long stretches without playing, this happens every fucking time.

If you are a member of the mafia team and you just typed this into our beautiful game thread, then you deserve to be modkilled. It's not ideal from a civilian either, as you've shamed people who are merely trying their best and threatened "I'm prob done for good". That's not cool. I understand though that on the civilian side, it can be more difficult to shed that emotion in a heated moment.

I am inclined to view this as civilian frustration expressed in an unfortunate manner. I will vote elsewhere.

I apologize. People are doing their best. But this happens every time I tryto play, and it insanely frustrating to write honest thoughts and have my natural wording style get me lynched. I can't defend against it. But yeah its no one's fault.

As for bullz... if the baddies aren't necessarily baddies... ugh, I may retract my vouch of bullz. Nova being bad was the centerpiece of my thoughts on that.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:51 am wait timmer what the fuck is your job

when someone has an infection and a surgeon cuts the infected tissue out of them, like in a knee joint or an abscess or a bursa, that tissue comes to me. I grind it into pulp with a mortar and pestle and then take that pulp and culture it to see what bacteria is in it. That then tells the surgeon what antibiotics the person should be on to heal the area and to keep them from going septic.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 am

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:01 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:43 am Here's how it went down from my perspective, one mental state at a time.

1. Bullzeye voted for nova.
2. Timmer and a few others found Bullzeye's vote extremely suspicious.
3. Nova was killed and flipped bad.
4. Some people (myself included) suspect Bullzeye even more, thinking that he placed a vote on a teammate.
5. Timmer comes out with a 180 on Bullzeye, calling him his top civ read after the events of the night but not due to a cop check.
6. I look at the list of abilities to see what might explain this that's not cop-ish per se. I notice the one that tracks which player a player targeted, and it occurs to me that perhaps Bullzeye vigged nova since he presumably suspected him, and perhaps timmer tracked Bullzeye since he suspected him, and saw that he targeted nova, and is now townclearing Bullzeye as the vig.
7. I accept this and decide to townread both bullzeye and timmer based on this interpretation.
8. The topic comes up again and Jay questions how timmer could know anything and says that he blocked timmer.
9. I say "wouldn't he not have gotten a result at all if he were blocked?"
10. That turns out to be moot as timmer admits that it was not based on anything he did at all, it was just based on something that happened (i.e. nova's death).
11. I figure that timmer had just made an educated guess that bullzeye vigged nova and decided to townclear him. Since it made so much sense to me when I was investigating back when I thought timmer actually knew something, I figured that I still believed it made sense even though it turned out timmer didn't actually know, and I continued to agree with timmer/believe that bullzeye killed nova.
12. For a while I still figured that this looked good for timmer. I no longer feel like I have much justification for that; he could easily have scum motivation for pulling his 180 on bullzeye in the way that he did.

@timmer

does number 5 come from any sort of info you got?

Gah. So I came out in favor of bullz because of a combination of my night action, which i knew had been unsuccessful but not why, and the people who died. I was able to make some educated guesses based on the deaths that night, when my lack of success was factored in, knowing what I knew.

I hadn't anticipated that I had been blocked, and mostly hedged jjj's post about it because I hadn't meant for people to start revealing their info publicly and I felt bad that he had said it.

But I stuck my thoughts on bullz because of a new educated guess in light of me being blocked, I kind of remade the puzzle and it still worked in his favor, in my mind.

But.... the thought that the dead baddies may not be bad is something I most definitely had not thought of, and it has me convinced that there is a third party killing role.

I'd rather not say more because I'd rather keep my shit locked up a bit. But I don't think those dead baddies are necessarily bad and I'm not sure they were killed by a vig.

I dunno what to think about shit like this. Like, you're half out the bottle already, why even bring it up at all if it's just gonna be winks and nods. Say it with your chest.

I know. It's annoying. I'll think on whether I should say more. I just have certain fears.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 am

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:53 am As for bullz... if the baddies aren't necessarily baddies... ugh, I may retract my vouch of bullz. Nova being bad was the centerpiece of my thoughts on that.

If there is even a single reason to believe in this stuff, then it needs to be stated clearly. It would define the entire civilian approach to the game. I have no clue whatsoever why we're talking about this. It's bonkers.

Alright, fuck it. I've been hesitant because I suspect that there is a counterpart to me in the game and I didn't want them to freak out and identify themselves. I'm an odd night vig. I tried to kill bullz night 1. I never considered that I hadbeen blocked, but I saw a kill that didn't happen and a dead BAD nova. I interpreted from the items and spells that bullz must have had the thing that lets you bounce night actions to someone else and he hit nova with it. I further concluded that if bullz was bad he obviously wouldn't have done that. It was the only thing that made sense.

In light of this I could for him.

After realizing I had been blocked I assumed that the mafia had targeted bullz instead because nova was obviously not their target, and somehow nova was dead, and I hadn't killed anyone.

But then another night goes by and another dead baddie ave iI and well hey there is probably an even night version of me and they succeeded yay them.

But now this what if they aren't bad idea, and THEN I realize wait, who the fuck has the second kill night 1 if it wasn't me? And here we are... there must be a third killer of some sort.

But now I'm totally exposed, which sucks, but it's really my own doing.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:06 am

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:51 am wait timmer what the fuck is your job

when someone has an infection and a surgeon cuts the infected tissue out of them, like in a knee joint or an abscess or a bursa, that tissue comes to me. I grind it into pulp with a mortar and pestle and then take that pulp and culture it to see what bacteria is in it. That then tells the surgeon what antibiotics the person should be on to heal the area and to keep them from going septic.

are you also the guy who collects the amputated limbs after surgery because if so my dad wants his leg back

uhm sometimes, yes...

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

And ultimately I now have to ask... speedchuck 2.0, since you are bullz do you have anything that needs to be added to this info mess I have caused?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:31 am

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:27 am So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

I have a very awkward explanation for it but it relies so much on coincidence that idk if it's worth sharing.

Use your judgment I'd say. No need for everyone to vomit up secrets, just those of us who dug their own holes.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:53 am

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:27 am So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

why can't the answer just be that there are two people with odd-night blast-ended skrewts? seems a little odd for balance purposes, but there are a lot of funky role manipulation possibilities in this setup so

But then 3 deaths night 2? I don't know, I'm lost at this point.

I'm heading to bed. Ultimately we need to find a baddie to lynch by tomorrow.

Ok, let's salvage this day.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:55 pm Long Con:

Spoiler: show

D1 - Fun, Goofy, Aloofy. Some mechanics talk, Defensive about his mechanics talk, Defends Owner over the DH/DA distinction saying he too mixed them up. Reads TH/Luna as W/W. Votes TH, Looking for Hallows.

D2 - Uses Nova's Death to ping Jay immediately. Agrees w/ Jay about Bullz nova vote. Big post detailing thoughts on Luna. Defends Owner again, but agrees that Epi is a null read.

This jumps out at me. Here LC is talking to Kara about Kara's Day 1 Owner suspicion(s) but lack of an Owner vote:

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

This quote here really gets my dogs barking. Setting up a patsy for "If Owner [ever] flips scum" combined with LC's defending Owner a few times already...

Jumps off the Luna vote to glomp onto the INH salad suspicion and vote for INH. Uninspiring, and smells of distancing moreso than any other vote I can recall.

D3 -

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:29 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:53 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pmOther folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.

Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.

I noticed that as well - your ideas sounded sure, and believable, though I haven't checked it out for myself in Luna's other games yet.

I'm happy to put a vote on [VOTE: INH] aubergine instead.

here we go -- for context in the several posts before this he builds a case on, highly suspects, and votes for Luna, but when Jay points out INH's salad he's all OOOOO SALAD and jumps on that here, seeming to back off of his Luna case too easily after my assertion that she wasn't matching her scum meta. I'm not wording this very well but I feel like scum LC could have built the case on town Luna and when that got resistance he backed off onto his teammate, even though Luna was still on the table to be lynched and INH wasn't really yet, and he either didn't want to look responsible for a town lynch or did want to look instrumental in a scum lynch. idk, maybe I'm stretching it but @Long Con I'm interested in your response. why did you back off of luna so easily, even with the disclaimer that you hadn't checked out her meta for yourself? why did you decide to vote INH suddenly after the salad was brought to your attention?

I thought your defense of Luna sounded like something real, and deserved looking into. Your characterization of her "more cool and manipulative" baddie game didn't look like her game here. For INH, I'm a big believer in Player Salad as a tell, which you referenced elsewhere in your post. I didn't want to leave my vote on Luna, and JJJ's catch of Player Salad made for a good new place to put my vote. I didn't vote him as a bussing move, I voted him because he looked bad to me. I was surprised no one else chose to put a vote on him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:56 pm LC, seriously? Already debunked. Chill.

I may have missed that. But really, Jay put it just how I see it:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:07 pm The only true salad I have seen in this game was INH's. nutella's is close to the salad spectrum given the classic "maybe" structure, but the context is more forgivable.

I couldn't resist, since we had just discussed, at some length, that exact structure. But if it had already been brought up, then I just suck.

Those quotes may be out of order since I did a little fishing to find them. Highlighted parts are of note. Mr. "I don't let other people dictate my actions" leans heavily on other people's reads/cases/thoughts.

He feels good about Timmer, and Nutella. Thinks Sloonei townslipped (Orly?). Then when Timmer stuck his foot in his mouth LC turns on Timmer a bit with the Adolf thing. Then he backs up with a big Timmer post

Anyway Voting Long Con

LC has definitely had sort of a "trying to find a train to be on" feel at times, and your point re: Kara and his owner vote is intriguing...

But it also makes me look back to owner, who pinged me early on and then I just kind of forgot about her.

And I'll reiterate that lc's "stated right from the start plan to openly hunt for hallows" is a brilliant move from a baddie team, as it makes sense from game mechanics but allows for last second lynch manipulation with built in excuse.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:34 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:42 pm - This is not a bastard game, so I will not lie to you. However, it is possible for abilities that obtain information to be fooled.

Screw all of last night's foolishness you dillweeds.

INH was scum. Nova was scum. DDL does not lie to us publicly, as said above. These were reveals, not cop checks or ability related info.

10 points to Hufflepuff.

Agreed

That pull from the rules is something i should have noticed ages ago. So dead baddies are dead baddies.

Owner's banter with DH on day 1 is dizzying.

I'm going to sum up the mentions to show the change in tone from post to post.

1. Opens with a DH vote, "still suspicious".

2. In the Firefly game we played together, I was suspicious of him the whole game.

3. I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (Note trying to bolster her case subtly with suggested other reasons)

4. I might need to look at the Firefly game again to see if your posts in that game were as scummy as the ones that I'm currently seeing in this game. (Wait, so... your whole case has been based on the firefly game, but now you need to check it? To see if dh was scummy? You literally started your case on dh with the idea he was scummy)

5. So far DH, I haven't seen anything that screams town from you. Cause, in Firefly, you did do some townie things that almost made me read you correctly. (Wait, what? I thought you suspected him "all game"? Do you see how owner is changing her story post by post?)

6.A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it. (So now posts in THIS game read scummy)

7. I want to say I was back and forth on you on day 2 that game, but I don't know if I voiced this opinion or not. I thought I did. (Does owner actually have any actual memory of firefly at all? Kind of a big question since this case started with certainty of memory it seems)

8.This post here is very different from the last game. Those statements don't contradict each other. I struggled to trust you in the Firefly game, and in this game, you feel different from the Firefly game. ( but I thought his posts in THIS game were reading scummy to you???)

9. I haven't said all the reasons. (What????)

10. Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not. ("I have no idea what I'm saying, I've been making this all up")

Would a civ Owner make up a complete bullshit phantom case on day 1? I don't know her. Anyone? Cuz reading that case against dh was just... it's so bad.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:35 pm Would a civ Owner make up a complete bullshit phantom case on day 1? I don't know her. Anyone? Cuz reading that case against dh was just... it's so bad.

My point is owner was saved last minute by long con. Blatantly. And owner was my first scumread of sorts in the game. Considering how awful that day 1 content reads, and the lynch results... should we maybe look at rehashing that lynch idea with her replacement?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:37 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:35 pm Would a civ Owner make up a complete bullshit phantom case on day 1? I don't know her. Anyone? Cuz reading that case against dh was just... it's so bad.

I'm gonna go read jack now but I have already stated that I think Owner's case on me was B.S and that she made it up and that she made her Kara suspicion up as well.

Exactly! So (partly due to my shit ) I feel like maybe we've gotten turned around from the kind of obvious lynch choice, here.

I've put my vote on owner/sloonei for now. There is absolutely nothing good in owner's day 1, and that lynch result was suspect.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:55 pm If I recall correctly, Slowner has good INH interactions and a very interesting EOD1 vs TH. She refused to vote in self-preservation.

While I (of course) think those D1 cases were bogus, I thought the same thing in Firefly and she was town. Owner scumhunts differently than I'm accustomed to, but IDK if that means she was bad.

I'd like those voting for her to address the EOD and/or those INH-interactions.

linki:

Ok that's 2 of you, I will go reread.

Okay, I see what you guys are seeing regarding inh and owner. He pushed pretty hard considering how much attention owner was getting, that'd be surprising against a teammate.

Those posts make me feel good about Luna, as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:09 pm 9 lone votes is yuck.

[VOTE: Glor] aubergine

I'll be moving mine, but I'm weighing where. I need Kowalski on this.

Moved my vote to long con.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

He had supported Colin quite directly, calling his game strong, but kind of around when it seemed clear that colin would indeed be a lynch contender, lc just pulled an easy flip, and he failed to talk about it since.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:31 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:30 pm Moved my vote to long con.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

He had supported Colin quite directly, calling his game strong, but kind of around when it seemed clear that colin would indeed be a lynch contender, lc just pulled an easy flip, and he failed to talk about it since.

So is LC being bad contingent on Colin being bad or are you just calling it scummy behavior regardless?

Its plain scummy. I'll pull the quote, hold on.

Today, day 3, lc said this:

"I have found Colin's play pretty strong so far, and I have no intention of voting him because I can create a theory about his strange request that shows him as bad. Like I said, that wasn't the purpose of my post - to vilify Colin. I want him to respond to it before I decide anything.

I don't really have any suspicion of Colin apart from it."

I mean that's a big endorsement. But then when it seems like Colin will be up for a potential lynch LC votes him.

And LC has posted since then about other things, but hasn't hashed this out. This puts him above the others, for me.

That longer post has me a bit more confused now. What was lc saying, ultimately?

Christ, now I have no idea.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:42 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:40 pm That longer post has me a bit more confused now. What was lc saying, ultimately?

The one about you?

No, you've kind of answered my question, I think. I'm misinterpreting.

What does glorf do when he is bad? How does this truth meta thing work in that scenario?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm What does glorf do when he is bad? How does this truth meta thing work in that scenario?

It doesn't.

Meaning what? He lies, like all baddies do?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:50 pm Sorry @Long Con. You were a terrible lynch option.

You had other choices?

So glor hadn't said " I am town" until after the lynch? At all? With that meta, I'm not surprised her took votes.

But to be clear, you voted someone you think is town? You had other choices.

You could have voted colin which would put long con still in the lead and glor tied with colin for second?

And if you were so sure of the glor thing, why wait until the last minute? It looks to me more that you wanted to grab a hallow more than you wanted to save glor.

So you have a civ read on long con, and when last minute votes were moving you voted him to get a hallow.

So don't say sorry lc, you were a horrible lynch target. Say sorry lc, I wanted your hallow. That sounds more honest.

Nor trying to be rude, I'm sorry for my tone. But you DID admit to making a blatant grab for a power item, which does contrast with your previous chagrined tone. Hopefully another baddie will die in the night.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:45 pm Folks, I have a warning to make.

I have noticed some people are threatening to quit the site if they are voted for.

While this is not explicitely against this game's rules, it goes completely against the spirit of the game. It's similar to making real life bets on the game's outcome, or posting screenshots of your role card.

Do not bring real life into a mafia game. Ever. Doing so breaks the fictional scenario that is built by the game, and which allows people to see each others as innocent or bad. If you intend to quit the site depending on the game's outcome, that's only your business, and nobody else's.

I will not punish anyone for this now because it's not stated in the rules, but compensation will be done into the game's setup to counteract the effect of this. Furthermore, if it happens again, I will modkill the people who are doing it.

FInally, if something is happening in the game that makes you have bad feelings about the site and about other players, you should really contact @dunya , our game facilitator, about it. She is here exactly to keep your real life grief from getting the best of you and affecting yours and other people's enjoyment of the game.

I apologize wholeheartedly for what I said.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:45 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:42 pm Hey Jay how come you voted Long Con after you said you wouldn't move your vote off Sprityo? Was that you that said that?

I did say that. I am a liar. I didn't figure I'd be able to hang around the thread and push my own pet lynch since I was sitting in actual class during an actual class discussion, and beating on my keyboard would be distasteful. But then I did it anyway.

Since I was there, I chose a wagon. I don't like solo votes, and nobody went for sprityo. Long Con looked shady during the final proceedings to me and I wanted to save Glorf once it was clear to me that he was not the right way to go.

Another player unwilling to admit that they tried for a hallow?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 am Like, if he got a Hallow from being the last person to vote for somebody, then the Hallow he got didn't stop that lynch so it wouldn't stop his.... right?

So 3 possible scenarios as I see them:

1. LC started with a Hallow, NAI, but does an LC with a Hallow make a big fuckin stink about trying to get more?
2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad
3. LC's lynch stop was not the result of a Hallow. Bad.

Lets just get the fuckin' guy already.

Re: #1... absolutely yes!

"
Rumors say the one who obtains all three shall become the Master of Death...
"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:04 am

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:45 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:42 pm Hey Jay how come you voted Long Con after you said you wouldn't move your vote off Sprityo? Was that you that said that?

I did say that. I am a liar. I didn't figure I'd be able to hang around the thread and push my own pet lynch since I was sitting in actual class during an actual class discussion, and beating on my keyboard would be distasteful. But then I did it anyway.

Since I was there, I chose a wagon. I don't like solo votes, and nobody went for sprityo. Long Con looked shady during the final proceedings to me and I wanted to save Glorf once it was clear to me that he was not the right way to go.

Another player unwilling to admit that they tried for a hallow?

I seriously have spent close to zero time thinking about those things or trying to acquire them. Don't care.

With respect, I have a hard time believing that you just happened to come back in at the last minute and changed your vote like that and didn't have a bit if a hallow thought in your mind, but I'll let it pass, I can't prove you wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:07 am

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:05 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 am Like, if he got a Hallow from being the last person to vote for somebody, then the Hallow he got didn't stop that lynch so it wouldn't stop his.... right?

So 3 possible scenarios as I see them:

1. LC started with a Hallow, NAI, but does an LC with a Hallow make a big fuckin stink about trying to get more?
2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad
3. LC's lynch stop was not the result of a Hallow. Bad.

Lets just get the fuckin' guy already.

Re: #1... absolutely yes!

"
Rumors say the one who obtains all three shall become the Master of Death...
"

Right, though a civilian LC with one of them ought to fear being killed for standing out as a deathly hallow candidate, aye?

He's been publicly gunning for them since day 1, he clearly doesn't care who knows thathe wants them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:14 am

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:12 am He's been publicly gunning for them since day 1, he clearly doesn't care who knows thathe wants them.

Indeed. So if he started with one and has been so noisy about getting another, it seems unlikely that he feared being killed (i.e. he is a part of the faction doing the killing).

Or he had one that gave him a one time lynch save so he knew he could play things a bit loose?

I do wonder about his alignment in that regard. I tried to put my finger on it the other night. The hallows can't be transferred, so even if a baddie had one, his teammate can't use it. So if a baddie began with one, it would make sense for a baddie team to sort of designate that player as the hallow try-for-er, since that master of death thing sounds pretty powerful. Thus come out publicly right away that you will be hallow hunting, so your actions are explained and hey hey you get to conveniently manipulate a lynch last second with a reason...

It's all conjecture, but I could easily see that being reality.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:21 am He may not have a Hallow but why has everyone (including the "This makes sense Flavor-Wise") Crowd ignored the much more obvious, much more flavor-appropriate answer?

I scanned the items etc. But couldn't spot one. Please enlighten DH, you are one of the few players I have a comfortable civ vibe on.