The Syndicate

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:47 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 am my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist
Will you believe me if I said I'm inclined to townshield juliets?

Here's where I'm at with all of the proposed wagons.

juliets - Never voting this.
sprityo - Probably not voting this. Mac had a good case and everyone else seems to think they are just town. I can be wrong on this read.
SPF - I'm fine pushing here.
nutella - Gut says she's town, but not so strongly that I'd hardshield her against a wagon on her.
ted - Probably not voting this. I think tutuu made a good case on why the stuff we felt was scummy from him was actually not scummy. I agree he's capable of bursts of townie content but on the balance of probabilities, I think he's just more likely to be town.
JPIC - I'm fine pushing here.

[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

of course i believe you, that doesnt mean im convinced to agree tho!

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 am like what is wacky about me voting for someone i've stated concerns with, and what is wacky about changing my vote from a lone non-wagon to someone that literally my two top townreads are voting for lol

i will agree that this line from spf "also pretty wacky that you join a counterwagon that already has 2 votes when there's four votes on you" was odd. idk why these numbers matter (2 and 4)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:51 am I think the fact that Nutella claims Tedxtr to be one of her two top town is pretty wild frankly.

ted is in my top town too!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:52 am Top 2? Really?

hes on 3rd place after u and alison

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!
Why would she roll over and die if she was town?

im not saying that, and im not saying that she is rolling over and dying right now regardless of her alignment

im bringing light on the fact that ppl should be wary of her scum game imo

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:59 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!
i appreciate the flattery. i think i have a pretty good scumgame. it's still not very clear why you think im wolf, though

other way around, im wary to townread u for anything, thats all

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] in dvc chat last game u said how u were a god at reading LHF players and stuff, and how ppl get it wrong all the time, and u need to play in a game to show us how to do it

surely JPIC's alignment is clear to u rn?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:01 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:59 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!
i appreciate the flattery. i think i have a pretty good scumgame. it's still not very clear why you think im wolf, though
other way around, im wary to townread u for anything, thats all
there's a difference between being wary to townread someone and being willing to vote them on d1, right? the latter implies that they did something scummy

i townread everyone except 6 players, and i need to make a use of my vote

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:08 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town
can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?
I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:15 am Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.
I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:28 am the "i was being sarcastic" defense from JPIC is weird, because the only thing he could be sarcastic about in that post is exaggerating how angry/aggressive he was

and if that's the case, it makes no sense for him to deny being aggressive, because he would surely understand how it came off that way

maybe im reading too much into a minor point but the train of thought from JPIC does not make sense to me

"because he would surely understand how it came off that way" disagree, this is based on the assumption that JPIC has the social awareness to realize how he's coming off as to other people and how he's making them feel which he is showing he does not

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:36 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum
your avatar makes me feel like im being aggressively taunted by a dancing anime girl rn

omg hihihihihi

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:37 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum
I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

means thank you so much samusamu!

if i dont tr u i sr u!

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am What makes you think they have opposite alignments?

this wasnt implied by my post this is ur own thought not mine

i think jpic town and spf scum that all

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:55 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging
buttt it's weird to me that your read on me boils down to: "i fos her because she's pushing on my tr" instead of engaging with my reasoning for sr'ing JPIC and figuring out if it's genuine

like surely u could understand why i find JPIC scummy even if u disagree instead of jumping to SR me for fos'ing JPIC

i can understand finding jpic scummy on a level 1 mindset and sure that could be the correct midnset to have here and i could be silly but i also i dunno i was hoping spf would agree with me and find the guy as very slly and weird town or something on a lvl 2 mindset or smething (which could bew rong!)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:28 am the "i was being sarcastic" defense from JPIC is weird, because the only thing he could be sarcastic about in that post is exaggerating how angry/aggressive he was

and if that's the case, it makes no sense for him to deny being aggressive, because he would surely understand how it came off that way

maybe im reading too much into a minor point but the train of thought from JPIC does not make sense to me

like u arent a newbie player, surely uve seen town do all kinda silly stuff, so why would u assume that jpic SURELY would understand how he comes off as and surely he has to be mafia rght

there is no reason to tinfoil or secondguess if hes a deeadweight town or anything, right?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am What makes you think they have opposite alignments?
this wasnt implied by my post this is ur own thought not mine

i think jpic town and spf scum that all
Okay sure but why is SPF scum

cuz im paranoid of spf's scum game and i dont see her being obv town and i dont find myself nodding along as im reading her posts as i did in her 2 champs games and from my perception shes making simple reads and simple posts and idk maybe im expecting the impossible and im unfair but i think she mafia and kills ppl at night

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:01 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:58 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:28 am the "i was being sarcastic" defense from JPIC is weird, because the only thing he could be sarcastic about in that post is exaggerating how angry/aggressive he was

and if that's the case, it makes no sense for him to deny being aggressive, because he would surely understand how it came off that way

maybe im reading too much into a minor point but the train of thought from JPIC does not make sense to me
like u arent a newbie player, surely uve seen town do all kinda silly stuff, so why would u assume that jpic SURELY would understand how he comes off as and surely he has to be mafia rght

there is no reason to tinfoil or secondguess if hes a deeadweight town or anything, right?
i didnt say that he surely has to be mafia, but if he intentionally acted angry for the sake of a joke, then he would surely see how people would perceive him as angry, right? that's just a basic thought process that is contradicted by his explanation

me pointing out a contradiction in his logic doesn't = me saying that he's definitely mafia

i disagree!

"then he would surely see how people would perceive him as angry, right?"

i disagree

i think uve seen ur fair share of people who have inplexplainable actions and stuff

this is a simple assumption (that ur making) that i dont think u would make, i could be wrong

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:05 am Self-voting is counter intuitive to JPIC's win condition

sentence should end there, adding the "town" part can lead to confbias

why r u all convinced herm is town

alison do u remember cobbler

whats the difference between herm and cobbler

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:17 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:15 am why r u all convinced herm is town

alison do u remember cobbler

whats the difference between herm and cobbler
cobbler had a good opener and then slanked and we let him slip by.

Herm has been consistently town.

towny how?

ted, the LHF speaker, what is jpic's alignment?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:49 am tutuu how do you feel about a nutella flip today?

im cool with it

i feel bad cuz i always scumread nutella and shes always town so im not gunning for it

[VOTE: nutella-chan] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:08 am tutuu I can probably go more in-depth with mindset analysis if that wasn't enough, let me know and I can elaborate

I think jpic is town too i asked u to towncase him for others not for me

dude i just remembered one time i was playing on starcraft 2 mafia (the pc game not the website) and game didnt end on parity, maf had the game locked, but on the final day instead of yeeting the final town they bussed a mafia buddy for no reason, that dude started getting mad and flaming like "WTF ARE U GUYS DOING WE HAVE LOCK WIN JUST LYNCH THE LAST TOWN" and they quoted the thing written in the loading screen "MAFIA IS A GAME OF DECEPTION. TRUST ONLY YOURSELF" and they lynched his ass lmaooooooooooooo

bizarre to me that ted also has herm in his top townreads, multiple ppl top townread herm. dont understand how was i supposed to catch him as town as easily as u guys did. but maybe some things are just meant to be and some things are not. maybe that is Destiny

when nanook said "hally for counterwagon" i had an amusing thought that if i had a gun and i had to shoot between hally and jpic id shoot hally

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?
Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.
Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso

[VOTE: spf] aubergine test

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[mention]nutella[/mention] what r ur updated reads if any updates

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore

dunya if ur reading this ur amazing and i love u very much

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore
Okay so here's the deal.

You're obvious town.

Alison is obvious town.

There are other people I think are maybe town but you two are just ridiculous.

Us three have now contributed to the point where like, people are likely just skimming our posts because they no longer need to solve us and are just either mafia going "reeeee" or town going ... well also "reeee".

So two of us should probably switch off and let one of us ringlead and the other two just provide moral support.

I am happy to do either role, but I think we need to give other people room now.

lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am So, hypothetically speaking, if I were to be a vigi, who should I shoot between

Tim / LC

id shoot tim

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:29 am Why has sprityo vanished off the face of the earth

omerta too

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:34 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?
Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.
Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso
Ups...

But answer me!!!

It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me

Okay fine Samu is town, Alison is right.

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