The Syndicate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:08 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:06 pm HENLO SYNDIKATTS! I HAVE MISSED YOU

Holy fuxk, now the party can begin

This is scum

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 pm there's a chance she is town it is not exactly a red check i won't know for sure until tomorrow or the next day

Alexa! You made me claim! Tell me why I shouldn't shoot you right now?

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:55 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:52 pm Guillo feels tonally off to me and his vote on falcon was pingy

i didn't agree with his vote on falcon at all and it came when falcon was one of my first townleans but i don't think accuracy is a towntell for guillo? the way he came in guns ablazing to me and his approach to my stuff on nutella felt like that i expect of town guillo but uh... i'm aware i may not be able to read him

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:43 pm Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:06 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:04 pm Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Somebody shoot this please.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:20 pm Notice from everyone!
Kindly listen... so

I'm gonna play bad when being scum read
It would hinder me to give the town some info
So let's just play some game and stop the music
If you try to buddy me, I graciously accept
I am spreading love, but also wanting to become a hero
Let's have fun y'all and don't lynch me I have soo many things I can offer

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:28 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:27 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 pm

why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?

The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.

Right Alexa?

i'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't town

Do you hard claim this? If you do I have the means to kill her now.

don't kill her yet

Why not? She is not town as you claim.

ok so

essentially i have info on her role and it's not a town role (i didn't think)

but her reaction to this is kind of towny so i'm not sure

I have a scummy role but town. I actually had to clarify whether I was town or lost wolf with Nanook.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:03 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

Yup. Also you're town.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

Townie mindset.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:10 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:43 pm Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

No. Enlighten me.

You are townie for not outing it immediately though.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:29 pm Town:
Alexa
Alison
Guillo
Seanzie
112
Hollowkatt
C4
Urist
Paopan

Meh/mrrr:
Linearpoint
Sloonei

Mafia:
Creature


All others no opinion

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:29 pm so fun thing I just thought of, if the mafia captain picked likely they did not pick "traditional mafia powerhouses" because that would be obvs as fuck as soon as one flipped.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:31 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:30 pm Debating to myself if it’s worth tunneling this game or if it’s better to not get invested so it stings less when I’m probably right

u wolfing again bikky boiii?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:38 pm which one is mac?

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:48 pm Based off first 2 pages Alexa hk c4 falcon pinged me as towny

Does anyone know roughly what the breakup of alignments is on this just so I know how generous I can be with trs? Is it like a mash where 1/4 is mafia roughly

okay i townread this

@ilario it's stated in OP that there's 7 wolves exactly and at least 1 3P

i didn't realize until MR made a comment about mechs earlier so i feel like this is a towny mindset

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:11 pm I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:47 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

I didn't know you were a bluekang alt

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:50 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:23 pm Damn, alison reallt is ticking all the checkboxes of how I would be playing as scum.

If you’re actually town here I think ur likely wrong on creature, dude is as easy af read and him being fluffy or whatever is not AI, in fact he’s more likely to awkwardly try and look like he’s contributing as a wolf ime

Fortunately I am not you.

I in fact think he is awkwardly trying to look like he's contributing. This is why he is asking shallow questions that lead nowhere and why is making posts that look like "pushes" but serve no purpose except to provoke townies, and when he is asked to account for what he has learned from their reactions he can produce nothing.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:55 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

These townreads seem unsupported to me. Please elaborate on them.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:53 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:11 pm I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

this isnt a thought someone whose being tunneled by alison ever says as scum lol

Why? It's not a hard thing to say. You've never seen a wolf project false bravado under heat?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:06 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:05 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:47 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

I didn't know you were a bluekang alt

hold up lemme bring out the font 7

maybe it's the road beers talking but I wanna towncore you for this

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:09 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:03 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 pm Mac's entrance is unimpressive. He remains firmly in my suspect pool.

@LinearPoint What is your opinion on my Creature case? You've been very absorbed with the alexa/nutella stuff. I'd like your view on other parts of the game.

Creature is being accused of the same thing Neeko is so Neeko is pretty much writing off the case entirely since Neeko knows it is NAI.
Creature's accusations also seem largely based on meta which Neeko is not familiar with.
That being said Neeko is lukewarm to the idea of Creature being Town. Not locktown, but nothing overly sus has been observed.

The first thing that sprang to mind when I read your post is this: "you are completely full of it".

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

Nah, Neeko speaks from the heart. The whole "fanning the flames" argument is just BS.

1) I brought up three points against Creature, but you're dismissing the entire case against him because of one point you disagree with.
2) It is obviously true that intentionally fanning the flames is a scummy move. Even if you think you personally haven't fanned any flames, it's disingenuous to extend that logic to protect Creature, without examining the specifics of why he's been accused of fanning flames.
3) None of the accusations I extended towards Creature were based on meta, except for the point about his low energy.

There is no logic in your post. There was no logic in your theory that alexa/nutella were partners, and that was why I dropped my townread on you. Now I have a full blown scumread on you.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:18 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am 112 had a really spot on assessment of you that brought to words everything I was thinking about you, even if I’m misreading you and ur actually town I don’t think a scum would take this approach on you

C4 has a snarky critical vibe, doesn’t feel like they’re playing to be townread and the evaluations I’ve seen from him so far show a good depth of thought that i haven’t seen him replicate as scum yet outside of when he’s bussing. they had that one post we both liked as well

Creature is a hard one to explain. I just think he’s lhf bait, I think the way he’s handled your push is towny, he isn’t being appealy or anything and the way he’s assessed your push is towny. His insistence that he things he’s gonna be a universal tr by eod is towny since last time I saw him as a wolf he got outed and buried d1 as one of the best roles meanwhile everytime I’ve seen him town he’s been a universal tr. so I think that confidence is town for him

Alexa is too derpy and all over the place to be scum. The way she handled her claim was way too over eager and messy in a way that’s towny for specifically her.

How do you think Creature would handle this push by me if he was mafia? (Keeping in mind he has 6 teammates that could potentially coach him?)

I think the rest of your explanations are okay. 112's read is wrong, but you're just saying it's a mindmeld, so sure. I found myself agreeing with that evaluation of C4. I am townreading Alexa for different reasons but I don't think townreading her for her handling of her claim is unreasonable at all.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:22 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

Do you have much experience with her wolf game? Have you caught her as a wolf?

Yes.

When she's wolf her cases are more calculated, imo this was quick on the uptake and resonated with my own view so I feel good about her

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:26 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:25 am Alison if you’re a wolf here imma give you credit and say you’re a good wolf because you’re engagements with me are making me tr you

0/10 do not recommend you will get nk'd n1

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 am Ilario has a lot of takes I disagree with but that's nai for him probably

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:00 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:40 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 am Ilario has a lot of takes I disagree with but that's nai for him probably

history is usually on my side lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:02 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:31 am Can we just kill someone like guillotine d1 pls

Why aren’t you voting him then?

t/t

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:07 am Oh right, Happy might've been a good choice to pick as wolf too

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:27 am

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:23 am Drafting you would be dumb, people like naa is what I would draft. They endgame no matter what without raising eyebrows

i mean yes but the whole issue i'm having is them saying im a lock in the first place when they don't know me really. i'm worried they have clear TMI from an outside source and let that slip. do you understand that?

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:36 am @ilario essentially i'm finding paopan's treatment around me bizarre and like, more likely if either A. captain drafted roles and picks were discussed in scum chat by the captain if they did differently or B. captain drafted ppl but not me but discussed me cuz i have like zero idea whatsoever how, based on what they've seen in my play/history, that in these 30+ people they'd think "oh yeah alexa is a shoe-in"