GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[ilario]

Based off first 2 pages Alexa hk c4 falcon pinged me as towny

Does anyone know roughly what the breakup of alignments is on this just so I know how generous I can be with trs? Is it like a mash where 1/4 is mafia roughly

okay i townread this

@ilario it's stated in OP that there's 7 wolves exactly and at least 1 3P

i didn't realize until MR made a comment about mechs earlier so i feel like this is a towny mindset

7 feels so little? Probably multiple 3ps then

[Paopan]

I am a simple person spreading love.

Anyway,
LP talking from a 3rd person PoV seems new. I'd classified it as NAI at best.
But at this point. I don't see any AtE coming from him. So that's -1 credits coming from Paopan

[Phil and Gloria]

Mac is obviously Phil and Gloria

I read that as "Mac is obviously Phil Collins" and yeah, I can dig it

@MacDougall - you saw it with your own two eyes and are still not outing the wolf.

Why?

I can answer that: Phil Collins is a GOAT and Mac should be honored.

was ironically jamming I can't dance on my goat play list not 45 mins ago

[Alison]

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Openings like these tend to be >rand scum though I wonder if alison would do such a rookie mistake as a wolf

I open this way 3/4 of my games regardless of alignment. I think it's a great way to open. Quote a post that is vote-worthy and then vote it.

[EnderWiggin]

Creatures confusion also seems towny

Stop wolfing. It's unhappy time.

[alexa]

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

I didn't know you were a bluekang alt

for outing a townread on me that's not even hard town? is this necessary to say? what the fuck lmao

[Scotty]

I trust autistic with my life. I think they caught linear on basically nothing and (she?) has been flailing on defense. Probably because she feels slighted that others have drowned her in votes.

@KZA - we're both on Scotty's good side. What do we make of this?

What do you make of this?

[Marmot]

Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘Marmot will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

[LinearPoint]

I am a simple person spreading love.

Anyway,
LP talking from a 3rd person PoV seems new. I'd classified it as NAI at best.
But at this point. I don't see any AtE coming from him. So that's -1 credits coming from Paopan

Neeko wanted to try something new. Best not to read into it.

[Phil and Gloria]

Based off first 2 pages Alexa hk c4 falcon pinged me as towny

Does anyone know roughly what the breakup of alignments is on this just so I know how generous I can be with trs? Is it like a mash where 1/4 is mafia roughly

okay i townread this

@ilario it's stated in OP that there's 7 wolves exactly and at least 1 3P

i didn't realize until MR made a comment about mechs earlier so i feel like this is a towny mindset

7 feels so little? Probably multiple 3ps then

ironically 7 seconds by youssou n'dour and neneh cherry currently jammen

[Alison]

Damn, alison reallt is ticking all the checkboxes of how I would be playing as scum.

If you’re actually town here I think ur likely wrong on creature, dude is as easy af read and him being fluffy or whatever is not AI, in fact he’s more likely to awkwardly try and look like he’s contributing as a wolf ime

Fortunately I am not you.

I in fact think he is awkwardly trying to look like he's contributing. This is why he is asking shallow questions that lead nowhere and why is making posts that look like "pushes" but serve no purpose except to provoke townies, and when he is asked to account for what he has learned from their reactions he can produce nothing.

[Phil and Gloria]

I am a simple person spreading love.

Anyway,
LP talking from a 3rd person PoV seems new. I'd classified it as NAI at best.
But at this point. I don't see any AtE coming from him. So that's -1 credits coming from Paopan

Neeko wanted to try something new. Best not to read into it.

who the blue waffle is neko?

[Scotty]

Honestly Nutella has looked a bit worse than Alexa in the aftermath, but Neeko's willing to concede their take on Alexa V Nutella may be flawed in some regards.

On another note Soctty looking less bad.

Cool
Also please excuse my dear aunt sally but who is neeko

[Phil and Gloria]

now playing: Titanium by David Guetta ft. Sia

bangers only

[Guillotine]

Care to explain why?

HK shouldn't have to explain this

You've refused to explain any of your takes thus fair.

You woofin' HK?

You might need to read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_c ... ttle_black

No one has asked me to explain anything. I've asked HK to explain two different takes and he didn't for either one.

Do you have any questions for me? Because if not, I'm not sure what the point of your post is here.

You're vote onto Neeko seems to be derived from nothing you don't want to commit to saying that was the reason despite prodding.
You were the 3rd voter and gave no reason along with Alexa and Nutella, so Neeko is left with assuming you're reason is that you have no reason other than the joke RVS Neeko put on you poking fun of Gulliotine overreading a single Falcon post.
And voting someone RVSing you without giving a reason is not a good look when both Urist and KZA are seriously pushing to lynch.

I called you a flame fanner, that is my reason for voting you.

Between the post where you seemed to push an associative read between me and Falcon while Guillo was scumreading Falcon even though you don't seem to be pushing Falcon, and the post where you push Guillo to believe Alexa v Nutella is s/s, it feels like you have a vested interest in pushing people into scumreading other people while not ever being willing to push on your self. Thus the "flame fanner" moniker I've given you. You won't start a fire of your own, but if you see one, you seem pretty quick to fan it to make it bigger.

Seanzie is town

[Seanzie]

why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine

A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.

how do you arrive at that conclusion?

OK Neeko may have jumped to conclusions assuming Alexa was a Mafia Rolecop.
Neeko has since realized there may be a few other more townie roles they could be.
Still though Neeko doesn't like the vibe, but whatever not like anyone cares.

that's fine to not like the vibe I just don't understand how you're so hung up on the role itself. Like alexa straight up said it's not RC and straight up said her info may not be alignment indicative. Whether or not you buy into that is up to you, but your dogged pursuit of it has me thinking "Linear is a wolf and latched onto this as a thing they can push" instead of "Linear is town and trying to understand how alexa says the things she says, and how nutella replies the way they did"

i've played with linear before and they were nothing like this (as V/V... or i was 3P idr but i was playing like V and they were V)

which is why i think their lack of logic irt this makes them a wolf

I would not characterize LP as lacking logic. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I think their logic is flawed, but it is there.

[Alison]

ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint

I've played with Creature a few times. I don't think this fits with his slanky town play. nutella has also testified that he is nothing like his town game.

[Marmot]

I am a simple person spreading love.

Anyway,
LP talking from a 3rd person PoV seems new. I'd classified it as NAI at best.
But at this point. I don't see any AtE coming from him. So that's -1 credits coming from Paopan

Neeko wanted to try something new. Best not to read into it.

afaik, Neeko in LoL talks in 3rd person.

[Marmot]

What have I missed?

[Guillotine]

Wait hold on, this might be a multiball so…

Seanzie is town

[Seanzie]

there's a chance she is town it is not exactly a red check i won't know for sure until tomorrow or the next day

How will you know gor sure until tomorrow or next day?

You role-fishing?

[Creature]

There's a reason why they're mental notes

I have quoted posts that fanned the flames, and accused you of using those posts to try to set the town at each other's throats.

Your response is that you were using them as reaction tests to learn more about the alignments of other players, and that the results of these reaction tests are kept in your head as mental notes.

I am asking you to tell us what you have learned from these reaction tests so I can verify that you are not lying or making things up.

You have refused to do so, for no apparent reason, and attempted to redirect the conversation.

Either provide a clear, succinct, and verifiable reason why you cannot tell us what you have learned from the reaction tests you supposedly engaged in, or I will be forced to assume you are lying.

Jesus Christ it's because I don't have enough notes to systematically order my thoughts down and even if I did I'm too lazy to write a whole Great Wall of China

Nobody is asking for a great wall of China. I'm just asking you to tell me what you've learned from your reaction tests.

I don't have a conclusion on the alexa/nutella thing yet. Though, I'm kinda buying it doesn't make sense for alexa to reveal her results like that if she was wolf rolecop here.

[Marmot]

why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine

A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.

how do you arrive at that conclusion?

OK Neeko may have jumped to conclusions assuming Alexa was a Mafia Rolecop.
Neeko has since realized there may be a few other more townie roles they could be.
Still though Neeko doesn't like the vibe, but whatever not like anyone cares.

that's fine to not like the vibe I just don't understand how you're so hung up on the role itself. Like alexa straight up said it's not RC and straight up said her info may not be alignment indicative. Whether or not you buy into that is up to you, but your dogged pursuit of it has me thinking "Linear is a wolf and latched onto this as a thing they can push" instead of "Linear is town and trying to understand how alexa says the things she says, and how nutella replies the way they did"

i've played with linear before and they were nothing like this (as V/V... or i was 3P idr but i was playing like V and they were V)

which is why i think their lack of logic irt this makes them a wolf

I would not characterize LP as lacking logic. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I think their logic is flawed, but it is there.

Would you consider flawed logic still logic though?

[Scotty]

Wait so what’s going on

We're killing Linear Point, and 2 hours before end of day, I'm claiming a red check - which nobody will believe, Linear Point dies at EoD, and we kill my red check tomorrow.

I already don't believe this red check and I don't even know who it is yet.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in my many years roaming the grounds at Hogwarts, it’s that you shouldn’t ever believe NAA with a red check on D1

[alexa]

why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine

A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.

how do you arrive at that conclusion?

OK Neeko may have jumped to conclusions assuming Alexa was a Mafia Rolecop.
Neeko has since realized there may be a few other more townie roles they could be.
Still though Neeko doesn't like the vibe, but whatever not like anyone cares.

that's fine to not like the vibe I just don't understand how you're so hung up on the role itself. Like alexa straight up said it's not RC and straight up said her info may not be alignment indicative. Whether or not you buy into that is up to you, but your dogged pursuit of it has me thinking "Linear is a wolf and latched onto this as a thing they can push" instead of "Linear is town and trying to understand how alexa says the things she says, and how nutella replies the way they did"

i've played with linear before and they were nothing like this (as V/V... or i was 3P idr but i was playing like V and they were V)

which is why i think their lack of logic irt this makes them a wolf

I would not characterize LP as lacking logic. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I think their logic is flawed, but it is there.

the whole "alexa/nutella W/W" argument they've been expressing does not make any sense to me if you read our interactions. why do i out a red on my partner then go back on it and say it's because i thought their role was mafia? and nutella clearly was shook in reaction to me/thought i was a wolf at first so the whole thing/jump does not make sense for me from a villager fully reading the game.

[ilario]

I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

this isnt a thought someone whose being tunneled by alison ever says as scum lol

[EnderWiggin]

ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint

This post is soft and fluffy like a kitten.

[Alison]

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

Do you have much experience with her wolf game? Have you caught her as a wolf?

She has more experience than you do.

[Alison]

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

These townreads seem unsupported to me. Please elaborate on them.

[EnderWiggin]

FYI I'm on the road with the fam today so I might not get much time to do anything aside from shitpost

I don't even have this excuse but I, too, am spending today shitposting.

[Creature]

I'm somewhat struggling to find wolves

[Guillotine]

Seanzie is also probably bad. Neeko joking that Falcon and Seanzie being scum really struck a nerve with Seanzie apparently so it could very well turn out to be true.

Why bring this up ages after Seanzie left the thread?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why not? Seanzie can comeback and ISO, also is not like we sre close to EoD.

[TonyStarkPrime]

So many things are confusing me

[Creature]

Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Wow this got intense so quick

Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Who is Neeko?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Is soup kill a thing?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

-

Please vote Creature.

You have my sword.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Ender might be one for being this late

[LinearPoint]

Neeko doesn't like this.

Spoiler: show

Wait so what’s going on

We're killing Linear Point, and 2 hours before end of day, I'm claiming a red check - which nobody will believe, Linear Point dies at EoD, and we kill my red check tomorrow.

I already don't believe this red check and I don't even know who it is yet.

Calling out people doing gambits before their done.

They were also wishing to follow Alison onto Creature well after the pressure on Creature died down.

Creatures confusion also seems towny

Stop wolfing. It's unhappy time.

Also wolf reading ilario who is one of the few people Neeko is liking just about every post of.

bat takes + sheep + trying to stop Mafia from spewing from NAA = likely scum

[TonyStarkPrime]

I will not read

[EnderWiggin]

Rolecop is just not a Town role people. Alexa basically claiming Mafia.

i never claimed rolecop and why TF would i out like that?

The desire for soup sometimes outweighs the desire to live.

Indulge in the soup, for it rules all.

[Guillotine]

Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Somebody shoot this please.

Don't think it's sus because I think wolves chose roles, not players.

Why do you think that?

[Alison]

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Lock 112 as town all the way until lylo

112 c4 creature

These are almost never wolves

Alexa

Would be very surprised if she’s a wolf but most likely is town like 90+ % of the time here. This approach she’s taking would only be tailored to fool me if she’s mafia but idt she would do that in a lobby this big

I didn't know you were a bluekang alt

If it was BlueKang he would be screaming at us to get off Alexa and his townreads.

[Creature]

Wait hold on, this might be a multiball so…

No?

[TonyStarkPrime]

TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison

[Scotty]

What have I missed?

I was hoping you could tell me

[Creature]

ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint

I've played with Creature a few times. I don't think this fits with his slanky town play. nutella has also testified that he is nothing like his town game.

Pretty sure this is no longer my slanky play

[EnderWiggin]

ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint

-1 for making a read list at this point (under fire). I consider this as a pocket attempt.
Spreading love xoxo

Someone make a pin chart and put this next to "Wears furs in summer" because I think there's a link we can make with string there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also what’s a neeko

[alexa]

ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint

This post is soft and fluffy like a kitten.

what does this mean?

[Phil and Gloria]

My towncore is Hollowkatt and EnderWiggin.

I bestow upon thee the duty of finding me 3 more town. They have to be mad kents tho.

[LinearPoint]

A bit late to the party no?
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.

how do you arrive at that conclusion?

OK Neeko may have jumped to conclusions assuming Alexa was a Mafia Rolecop.
Neeko has since realized there may be a few other more townie roles they could be.
Still though Neeko doesn't like the vibe, but whatever not like anyone cares.

that's fine to not like the vibe I just don't understand how you're so hung up on the role itself. Like alexa straight up said it's not RC and straight up said her info may not be alignment indicative. Whether or not you buy into that is up to you, but your dogged pursuit of it has me thinking "Linear is a wolf and latched onto this as a thing they can push" instead of "Linear is town and trying to understand how alexa says the things she says, and how nutella replies the way they did"

i've played with linear before and they were nothing like this (as V/V... or i was 3P idr but i was playing like V and they were V)

which is why i think their lack of logic irt this makes them a wolf

I would not characterize LP as lacking logic. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I think their logic is flawed, but it is there.

the whole "alexa/nutella W/W" argument they've been expressing does not make any sense to me if you read our interactions. why do i out a red on my partner then go back on it and say it's because i thought their role was mafia? and nutella clearly was shook in reaction to me/thought i was a wolf at first so the whole thing/jump does not make sense for me from a villager fully reading the game.

That's easy to say if you're looking at it from your own perspective.
But Neeko saw two people thunderdoming and both suddenly backing off and hugging it out.
Seemed a bit sus.

[Alison]

I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

this isnt a thought someone whose being tunneled by alison ever says as scum lol

Why? It's not a hard thing to say. You've never seen a wolf project false bravado under heat?

[Creature]

TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison

I think I played plenty. It's just that anyone who plays with me tend to wolfread me at first until they don't.