The Syndicate

No reason to not consider it as a possibility at least

ah jeez oh god *fumbles my cats and my bags*

hey... pst... @Lilypetal ......................................

you wolf?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:35 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:33 am Oh also if you're 100% certain it's not Sabi than you should also think it's always at least one of Lily Esooa... but like... it's not both right...I can't see it its way too obvious

yes I did not initially sr lily today but after reading today's posts I found myself disappointed that I had one less town read...

I had sorta been assuming... that if between one of them is wolf... esooa is wolf and lily is being pocketed. but perhaps... I may be incorrect....................

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:33 am Oh also if you're 100% certain it's not Sabi than you should also think it's always at least one of Lily Esooa... but like... it's not both right...I can't see it its way too obvious

yes I did not initially sr lily today but after reading today's posts I found myself disappointed that I had one less town read...

that's fair. despite my stubborn attitude in avoiding hk today, I haven't produced a more productive flip either, I guess. I just really ... really... really ... wanted more from the players remaining than what I saw from start of this day. And it appeared obvious to me I had to 180 that. thanks for chatting

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:30 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:29 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Do you think Esooas reaction to HK EoD day 1 was ever wolf theatre.

the best answer would include me finding it in an ISO but I don't that energy is in me anymore. it's 2am. I do recall it being pretty good. mac had me seriously considering for a moment that wolf lily / wolf esooa combo was giving him the rough house tbh. wouldn't it be funny to be lily and esooa after all of that? probably pretty doubtful though. I'm only going on memory - just based on my memory of it, I could still see it being theater. if you had a specific post from esooa in that argument though, feel free to post and I'll read. I just can't stand digging through these long ass iso's anymore lol.

Is 4 AM and I'm not trying to dig through ISOs

I actually thought about Esooa Lily being tanned before SoD but I think that never makes sense.

I have considered lily / esooa w / w for multiple days but figured it just... it just surely wouldn't be that.

In this we agree

it was a world I was too afraid to wander in to

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Do you think Esooas reaction to HK EoD day 1 was ever wolf theatre.

the best answer would include me finding it in an ISO but I don't that energy is in me anymore. it's 2am. I do recall it being pretty good. mac had me seriously considering for a moment that wolf lily / wolf esooa combo was giving him the rough house tbh. wouldn't it be funny to be lily and esooa after all of that? probably pretty doubtful though. I'm only going on memory - just based on my memory of it, I could still see it being theater. if you had a specific post from esooa in that argument though, feel free to post and I'll read. I just can't stand digging through these long ass iso's anymore lol.

Is 4 AM and I'm not trying to dig through ISOs

I actually thought about Esooa Lily being tanned before SoD but I think that never makes sense.

I have considered lily / esooa w / w for multiple days but figured it just... it just surely wouldn't be that.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:21 am You actually also fit that which is why I want an easier way to narrow the pool. Aka HK

if you mean I fit into possible people going deep wolf on him based on my reads, i'd disagree. I think they are pretty hedgey. I let him off easy at start of day 2 despite my strong suspicion. honestly, I was almost worried in advance someone would sr me based on those reads.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Do you think Esooas reaction to HK EoD day 1 was ever wolf theatre.

the best answer would include me finding it in an ISO but I don't that energy is in me anymore. it's 2am. I do recall it being pretty good. mac had me seriously considering for a moment that wolf lily / wolf esooa combo was giving him the rough house tbh. wouldn't it be funny to be lily and esooa after all of that? probably pretty doubtful though. I'm only going on memory - just based on my memory of it, I could still see it being theater. if you had a specific post from esooa in that argument though, feel free to post and I'll read. I just can't stand digging through these long ass iso's anymore lol.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:04 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:01 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:53 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:41 am Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

This still doesn't tell me why they'd be on HK right this second. Like I do exactly what Sabi has done if I'm partnered. Gauge if there's interest to save HK leave myself an out in either direction by saying I'm reevaling everyone.

yes, this is possible. i have generally assumed my worldview to be how most player's presented their mindsets since start of this day: fuck hk, we ball.

wolf partner sabi *miiiiiiight* stay neutral for now, but I don't think sabi has to gauge if there's interest to save HK. I'm the only one shielding him. general consensus that hk needs to be resolved today and setup is trash cuz no hammer. I think wolf sabi would also vote hk for now and then find a reason to move off of him later if there was interest in hk not going over. after all, there is no hammer.

I mean I'm like 95% sure TSP said the HK wagon was bad in one of their one sentence posts

Your defending it. HK has reasons to not vote themself. Even if TSP is neutral they decide in a 3 v 3 no? So Sabi can save HK in theory right?

mmm... in theory, as it stands at this very moment, yes that is possible. but it requires exactly a 3v3 for hk to survive. if i go rogue, and with myself I never know, then I could vanity wagon at any moment. lol
or if tsp sticks vote on me and never moves? hk still boned lol

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

Neither am I but I think HK solves it

you're gonna hate me for this lmao and honestly if you choose to not respond I respect it, but... how does hk flip solve that here?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:57 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:53 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:41 am Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

This still doesn't tell me why they'd be on HK right this second. Like I do exactly what Sabi has done if I'm partnered. Gauge if there's interest to save HK leave myself an out in either direction by saying I'm reevaling everyone.

yes, this is possible. i have generally assumed my worldview to be how most player's presented their mindsets since start of this day: fuck hk, we ball.

wolf partner sabi *miiiiiiight* stay neutral for now, but I don't think sabi has to gauge if there's interest to save HK. I'm the only one shielding him. general consensus that hk needs to be resolved today and setup is trash cuz no hammer. I think wolf sabi would also vote hk for now and then find a reason to move off of him later if there was interest in hk not going over. after all, there is no hammer.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:25 pm Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

this is true and something I did consider in my analysis, but... how to say... I think if mac and esooa were both wolves they could likely control the votes enough to try and prevent esooa from going over. but good god does it give her great deep wolf cover. I could see it being a risk they chose to take. I could be wrong, esooa might not be wolf of course. I'm not dead set on esooa's alignment.

wow I love remembering sabi's pronouns and then misusing them in the same sentence like i'm a fucking mongoloid. i'm logging off lmao

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:42 am And you can flip into HK later in the day if you need to ala... how Sabi has left themselves ways onto HK that don't appear suspicious on a base level

That's fair. I can't particularly recall how sabi handled HK throughout most of the game, to be honest. I've done nothing but double down, but if sabi has hedged (and they wouldn't be the only one, I imagine, since hk's slot has been contentious all game) then maybe i'm a little more open to her being 5+% wolf.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:41 am Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:25 pm Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

okay i'm tired. gonna go be unsober and i'll be in and out tomorrow.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:10 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

Because HKs wagon D1 always has one wolf on it.

And Lily/Esooa are cleared if HK is woof

if we assume hk's d1 always has one wolf on it, what if lily or esooa had bussed hk? I am confused as to why you are difference checking sabi and lily/esooa.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

Updated

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There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

Because if so HK flips woof it is always Sabi...I can't see it any other way after day 1

HK flips town it is never Sabi and we can solve between Lily and Esooa.

if I did believe that, and if hk flips wolf, I don't ever push sabi before I push lily or esooa. because I can make the argument lily or esooa bussed.
if hk flips town, I could use the TMI argument against sabi.

it's literally all wifom stuff. I can make up reasons for anyone doing anything.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

Updated

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There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

ah, well, it isn't a fact and can't currently be proven as one, so. who knows.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:59 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:37 am In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? because I'mnot clear lol why does it have to be hk and only you involved? because me and HK are the two most obvious choices to solve the game lolHK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. no your not I've engaged on this multiple times and recieved nothing like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. no is not despite your insistence you and sabi aren't cleared from shit at this stage. You are options on the table. Clearing you is always helpful. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? me Lily and Esooa especially based on Day 1 reactions to HK rage ball unless you think it was scum theatre and one of us were just cool with bussing lol the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? why are you so insistent that his partner is bussing him when that is not a fact and can not be proven as onedoesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. this is ridiculous and for someone who insists other people are making posts that are wolfy and make no sense you've made a fewand if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained. good HK needs to be flipped and should've been long ago

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. factually inaccurateif hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. factually inaccurate I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off? read above

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best. your hat repeating stuff this entire paragraph

you aren't the only person who isn't clear. I don't think you and hk have to be the obvious choices to solve the game. I am in fact open to being convinced, you just weren't the one who was able to convince me. I do believe I am very clear, but it is always technically possible sabi isn't, though I think there's like a 95% chance sabi is town. If I am an option on the table, then we are tinfoiling ourselves into stupid oblivion.

I see we have a gap in our thinking in regards to who could be hk's partner if he is wolf. I think if hk is wolf, his partner has always been fine with bussing him. why would you believe that w!hk's partner would be unwilling to bus him after his day 1 incident? if me and sabi are the only ones defending hk, then wouldn't it be *extremely* obvious who the other wolf would be? there's zero reason for a wolf partner to not bus hk and take the cred for it. I also obviously (to myself) cannot be hk wolf partner and I highly highly doubt sabi is too. so that leaves nothing for me to be found there, is my logic. I can't think of any reasons why, if hk is wolf, his teammate wouldn't be down to bus him at any moment's notice or even be directly pushing for his lynch. Additionally, if hk is wolf and I strongly strongly believe his partner would be bussing him, seeing his responses to everyone who push on him makes me believe there is a chance hk is not wolf. so sure, it can't be proven his theoretical wolf partner is bussing him right now, but since I know I'm not bussing him, and I don't think sabi is wolf and she isn't voting him, that leaves literally only tsp as the current player who is entirely null and voting me because he's presumably read very very little of the game (no shade btw, I wouldn't either if I were him.) So yes, I strongly believe that if hk is wolf, he has been bussed earlier or will be bussed today.

I don't believe HK *has* to be flipped today. But I think the average FM player would agree with you here, so I understand I'm the outlier in refusing to believe there *has* to be any particular thing that happens today. the risk of hk flipping town is just as nefarious as any other slot flipping town today, which is why I'm far more concerned with finding a wolf and not attempting to convince myself that hk flipping solves the game for me so why should I bother existing during the next 40 hours. (This is a point to the threadstate - not a comment about you btw neon.)

and it is factually accurate if everybody, say, except myself, votes hk. It seems virtually everybody except me and sabi agreed to vote hk, excluding tsp who is doing his own thing. TO ME, that means his partner bussed unless his partner is exactly tsp. his partner has to bus. they cannot be like me and shield HK when everybody wants HK flipped. I'm very aware that if I shield hk like this and he flips wolf, there will be an argument made against me that I have been shielding him all game and therefore his partner. But that would be too easy, wouldn't it? if everybody except myself votes hk and hk is wolf, his partner is bussing. this of course only makes sense in a world where I am town, which of course applies to my own thought process.

but I can understand this being more stressful for you if you can't even townread me at the least, because I doubt you're able to give a strong townread to anybody else either. flailing is very exhausting.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:12 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

@Esooa who is hk's partner when he flips wolf?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:37 am In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? why does it have to be hk and only you involved? HK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? doesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. and if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained.

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including both wolves. if hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off?

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best.

EBWOP

It's fine- I understand you firmly believe in a specific worldview that I am clearly not changing. We don't have to keep talking about it for 48 hours. you can leave if you find 1 on 1'ing with me too exhausting.

I refuse to live in the predetermined bubble that took less than like 2 hours to reach before everyone dipped and resigned themselves to doing nothing for the next 40 hours.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:37 am In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? why does it have to be hk and only you involved? HK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? doesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. and if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained.

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. if hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off?

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best.

@TonyStarkPrime hi tsp would you be so inclined to let me know how little of the game you have read? hoping your response amounts to more than 5 words, ideally. thanks.

@Lilypetal hey why are you making shithole posts today friend?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:29 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:23 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:18 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

It's 5 v 2 right now no? It's lylo if we mislim today and me and HK are alive no?

well you're the one who insists on yourself or hk dying. so that would automatically prevent both of you from reaching lylo.

but i followed up on that thought anyway - I realized it wasn't really true from my worldview.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:17 am Woofs have their mark either way. In lylo they have easy pushes against multiple people. We need to take away some of those options or we just lose.

Shooting in the dark away from this who help solve the game doesn't help us at all. One of me and HK needs to die every time at this stage always period.

There are 2 wolves left. any option removed from the game presents us with more questions and information to work with. I understand that *you* believe hk is a wolf, that much is obvious from your posts today. so of course you believe that hk needs to go, and that if he doesn't, then you're somehow more important to flip than anybody else, which I believe is untrue.

If I am someone who is not convinced that hk is wolf, for example, then I do not subscribe to the opinion that hk has to go over today. I want a wolf today. I do not want to pretend like lily's comment of "if hk flips town that's helpful for town" is true in any scenario, because all it does is push tired players into going "sigh, ugh, yeah hk has been so controversial we should just vote him off now like we should have day 2." it forces zero evaluation and promotes lack of wim the entire day, which is, in my eyes, always anti town, especially here in a mountainous. This is why I am forcing ideas out of that bubble. I do not like the bubble. the bubble is anti town.

but lily liked the bubble. I do not like this from lily.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:19 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

It's not sheeping... it's just objectively true. Me or HK need to die today Porscha. That's it. You can't solve the game with both of us alive tomorrow.

I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town.

*you* might not be sheeping. but you aren't the only player in the game voting hk, are you?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:23 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:18 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

well, that's not true. if either of you are wolf who don't flip or get nk'd then yeah, I guess it's possible. I trust last town to figure it out or not. it isn't any different than usual. there is a lot more game to be played and assuming that you, at the very least, won't be found town by myself or other people by then is just giving up. be strong, neon. do not be "wimbly woombly" sounding sheets of ... whatever material it is that makes that noise when flopped around. lol

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:18 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:17 am Woofs have their mark either way. In lylo they have easy pushes against multiple people. We need to take away some of those options or we just lose.

Shooting in the dark away from this who help solve the game doesn't help us at all. One of me and HK needs to die every time at this stage always period.

lmao why? why can't we just flip literally anyone else and work off associatives and gameplay leading up to that point like usual? all of you are forcing yourselves to be obsessed with hk's slot when there is in fact another wolf in the game and we are tinfoiling people like myself and sabi. the solve isn't easy, or there wouldn't be an obvious factor of hoping hk's flip actually solves anything.

if hk flips town, all it does it likely confirm me and sabi even more, which is useless for myself. unless someone wants to accuse of tmi, which would be a weak argument in the face of me or sabi being obv town all game. if hk flips wolf, then what? everybody else is still poe? we all vote hk and then sit there and go "ah well one of us who voted hk bussed him, now what?"

if the solve was clear, I wouldn't have to play like this.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:16 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:13 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:11 am Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

or sabi I guess. I thought she was still on hk. but I don't think sabi is wolf. so that still leaves me believing the other wolf is already bussing hk.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:07 am Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:03 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 pm Neon has shown the only pulse in this game

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

nothing funnier than having everyone boringly harp on about how the game is solved if hk flips but it obviously isn't solved. because so far nobody can figure out who hk's partner is if he's wolf. and if he's town? all it does is clear me and sabi some more. it's actually useless.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 pm Neon has shown the only pulse in this game

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:53 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:52 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:17 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:53 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:24 pm EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

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There's no way HK is pure right?

I am not picking up what you are putting down. explain?

There is a near zero percent chance all 3 woofs stacked ender regardless of HKs alignment.

Aka HK wagon can't be pure... yes? So one of the 3 on HK who are not flipped are guaranteed woof

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. the vote count for ender has all players who are not dead voting for him, no? I voted ender, you voted ender, lily voted ender, esooa voted ender, hk voted ender, wilgy voted ender. those are all the remaining players. and 2 of the remaining players are wolves. so with mac on ender, then yes, all 3 wolves voted ender. Explain what I am missing.

Uhh no Lily Sabi and Esooa all voted HK lol

right. I see. and based off your posts today am I to assume you think that out of lily/esooa/sabi, you think sabi is most likely the wolf on hk?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:50 am The fact we let HK just live despite all the evidence pointing to HK and now we are ignoring all the dead townies again and letting HK live again is so unbelievable.

I don't see how anyone can take HK needs to be solved now before it's lim or lose and twist it into lol Neon is obvious woof for pushing for a solve.

I might be wrong... but HK is right if we don't flip HK now than we never ever flip HK... ever. Especially in limlo. If HK is town letting HK live to limlo is what the woofs want.

and who would that leave? top tr's me & sabi. and tsp who is voting me.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:24 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 pm Neon has shown the only pulse in this game

and why do you think that pulse only started existing yesterday?

Because I literally have no WiM...

This push on me is so bad faith lol

it isn't bad faith to question why you started having so much more WIM, you just don't like it.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:46 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:44 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:59 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:55 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:23 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:14 am Like I get it, you think I'm a wolf (or you have to push HK is a wolf because you're a wolf), and you think I'm being shitty. I am being shitty. I'm sick of being pushed for 4 fucking days, having literally none of my thoughts and reads respected, being told my play is bad, mocking me, and generally not having a good time.

When I do try solving the responses I get are "you're a wolf" or "that doesn't make any sense, wolf" so pardon me for not having the sunniest of dispositions.

I'm right in that the longer I live the more likely I am to be town because if I were a wolf you'd think I'd have gone over D1, 3, 4 but I haven't. Which means that either I'm being hard protected, or there are people in this thread who are even worse mafia players than I am (if they are town) which is, at this point, saying something fucking profound.

If I'm being hard protected who's doing it? Mac on D1, he flipped wolf.
Sabi the rest of the game, nobody seems to care about that though.
The solve is never proposed as "Sabi/HK" or at least wasn't until a few hours ago anyways.

So no, I'm not sorry for being sharp and having an edge to my posting. You try sitting in the POE, being shut down for 3+ days, and be told your game is shit and you're a shit player and see if you're sunshine and rainbows. Bet you're not.

I sit in PoEs for entire games all the time by the nature of the way I play the game and I've never really been pissed about it. That's like the nature of mafia.

I'm sorry that you've been in the PoE. I'm sorry that people are telling you your shit though I don't think I've ever done that and if I did I'm sorry and that's most certainly not what my intent was. I've been defending you most of the game. I've been listening to you most of the game.

At some point though I have to wonder... because Sabi is consensus town and never gets NKd in a mountainous. Your concensus PoE and never get DKd. I'm supposed to think that someone isn't saving your ass. I'm supposed to think that your not mafia? That you haven't been saved two days. I'm supposed to think that ALL of these wagons are T v T? And that Mac Esooa at EoD 2 was S v S?

I'm supposed to think nobody decided this entire time to shut down the highest posting consensus town? Like that's a lot of mental gymnastics from where I'm at right? Can you not see my conundrum?

Can you not see how you might try to preempt any push on you today? Like I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't see a world where I can find you with your approach to me up to this point.

And I'm not calling you shit. No kinda the opposite really. Regardless of alignment you've played exceptionally well to even make it this far.

Finally a real argument as to how HK can be a wolf!

That's only slightly sarcastic btw.

Legit though, yes, I do expect you to believe all the wagons excluding Mac have been TvT, they have been. I'm sure I flip today, idgaf about it really, I just am trying to hold as many peoples feet to the fire before I go.
You'll see they've been TvT with the exception of Mac v Esooa.

As to whether or not that's WvT or WvW probably we'll never find out till the game ends. I don't think you'll get a wolf tomorrow, I really don't. Games too fucked up at this point and I don't see the three remaining townies pulling it out, not when failure is so easy.

There's a really good reason to not kill Sabi btw, that isn't Sabi is a wolf. If you want I'll share it with you

Yes I do want. I want to solve the game. With the town.

I have two minds here. One is it's just the you Sabi Mac power team off death

The other is its Mac and two deep woofs that nobody has suspected this entire game like Porscha and Lily and Sabi and that Mac just didn't care about dying because he figured nobody would ever get there on the others.

you just loooove setting up the sabi ML for tomorrow don't you? her and I are both relatively polarized players, but we are both players who are able to be convinced and probably not viewed as threats to the gamestate in hopes our WIM or brain fails us both in lylo scenarios. lily should be aware of this. esooa or you, I don't know. I don't know if tsp would know either. respect my read or don't, but a wolf wouldn't.

This take is so incredibly disingenuous to anything I've said this entire time.

If HK doesn't flip woof I never vote HK. So push me on facts not whatever this is.

if someone doesn't flip wolf. so if someone flips town. you never vote that person.
if x flips town, you dont vote x. how does it make sense to say you vote someone and then based on their alignment post flip, you don't vote them?