Mafia Misplay Mafia

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Or they can just take their award for the best theatre I've ever seen and I will lose to that every time because like... what.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

[Porscha]

No it kinda is. Did you question Santy or any of the other players in this game who's WiM randomly changed? Why is mine not allowed to?

I thought I found something. I thought I was right... so I fucking cared. I was fucking wrong so now I'd like to fix that mistake which means I continue to care but silence the last town that gives a fuck of you wanna

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Woofs have their mark either way. In lylo they have easy pushes against multiple people. We need to take away some of those options or we just lose.

Shooting in the dark away from this who help solve the game doesn't help us at all. One of me and HK needs to die every time at this stage always period.

[Porscha]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

yes, I did question it.

it isn't wrong to have more wim closer to game end. I get it. it's natural to have it, imo, because I'm generally the same way.

how dare I question you, the person I've played a single game with, on why you're wim would have suddenly changed to such a drastic extent.

I'm sure you'll survive.

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

It's not sheeping... it's just objectively true. Me or HK need to die today Porscha. That's it. You can't solve the game with both of us alive tomorrow.

I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

[Porscha]

Woofs have their mark either way. In lylo they have easy pushes against multiple people. We need to take away some of those options or we just lose.

Shooting in the dark away from this who help solve the game doesn't help us at all. One of me and HK needs to die every time at this stage always period.

lmao why? why can't we just flip literally anyone else and work off associatives and gameplay leading up to that point like usual? all of you are forcing yourselves to be obsessed with hk's slot when there is in fact another wolf in the game and we are tinfoiling people like myself and sabi. the solve isn't easy, or there wouldn't be an obvious factor of hoping hk's flip actually solves anything.

if hk flips town, all it does it likely confirm me and sabi even more, which is useless for myself. unless someone wants to accuse of tmi, which would be a weak argument in the face of me or sabi being obv town all game. if hk flips wolf, then what? everybody else is still poe? we all vote hk and then sit there and go "ah well one of us who voted hk bussed him, now what?"

if the solve was clear, I wouldn't have to play like this.

[Porscha]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

[Porscha]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

well, that's not true. if either of you are wolf who don't flip or get nk'd then yeah, I guess it's possible. I trust last town to figure it out or not. it isn't any different than usual. there is a lot more game to be played and assuming that you, at the very least, won't be found town by myself or other people by then is just giving up. be strong, neon. do not be "wimbly woombly" sounding sheets of ... whatever material it is that makes that noise when flopped around. lol

[Porscha]

Example number 304378 of your continued bad faith against my slot

it isn't bad faith, it's objective game play to question why someone's behavior might suddenly change. I don't *know* you to give you meta fly aways like, "ah well neon always does". I am going to question this game for the next 40-whatever hours instead of rolling over and showing my belly and giving up and just sheeping a vote on hk when I don't believe it's as effective as most others do.

I very sincerely do not believe this is bad faith. You are seeing me playing seriously, and I am abrasive. you, like most people, will not like it. but questioning something that I have no previous meta of you on isn't bad faith. You don't know my play, I don't know yours. feel free to throw some fire back at me if you have it.

WiM changing is NAI entirely. But the question is not the problem anyways. It's the way you reply when I try to engage you and explain why it's not relevant lol

Yes. you can tell me it isn't relevant. you can tell me that it's AI for you and then change it back to the concept of wim being nai entirely. it doesn't mean I have to take it at face value and not have my own opinions or continue to challenge it.

Cool than you can just never find me lol

I would say you aren't doing much to help me by continuing on this. I'm open to the idea that the wim isn't important in reading you. But I don't appreciate you acting like I'm in bad faith for trying to wake the players in this game the fuck up, because they are currently mentally spiraling or sheeping the "flipping hk fixes everything!!" idea.

I want more, and I won't stop being fucking annoying and pestering people. Because it's what it takes to get people to stop doing this woe-is-me / there's only option to move this game forward, song and dance.

It's not sheeping... it's just objectively true. Me or HK need to die today Porscha. That's it. You can't solve the game with both of us alive tomorrow.

I'm not going to flip over and die when I know I'm town.

*you* might not be sheeping. but you aren't the only player in the game voting hk, are you?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

It's 5 v 2 right now no? It's lylo if we mislim today and me and HK are alive no?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Fuck give me a sec to lay out the full line of thinking I have as clearly as I can by I suck at explaining things clearly

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like... ignore everything reply to that...please there's to many side conversation

[Porscha]

Woofs have their mark either way. In lylo they have easy pushes against multiple people. We need to take away some of those options or we just lose.

Shooting in the dark away from this who help solve the game doesn't help us at all. One of me and HK needs to die every time at this stage always period.

There are 2 wolves left. any option removed from the game presents us with more questions and information to work with. I understand that *you* believe hk is a wolf, that much is obvious from your posts today. so of course you believe that hk needs to go, and that if he doesn't, then you're somehow more important to flip than anybody else, which I believe is untrue.

If I am someone who is not convinced that hk is wolf, for example, then I do not subscribe to the opinion that hk has to go over today. I want a wolf today. I do not want to pretend like lily's comment of "if hk flips town that's helpful for town" is true in any scenario, because all it does is push tired players into going "sigh, ugh, yeah hk has been so controversial we should just vote him off now like we should have day 2." it forces zero evaluation and promotes lack of wim the entire day, which is, in my eyes, always anti town, especially here in a mountainous. This is why I am forcing ideas out of that bubble. I do not like the bubble. the bubble is anti town.

but lily liked the bubble. I do not like this from lily.

[Porscha]

Frankly we are fucked.

Me and Porscha never win together in lylo

Me and HK never win together in lylo

You can just kill me.

Me or HK need to die or the game is over.

Honestly the game is probably over anyways but it shouldn't be

like... what? what is this defeatist attitude for? why is everyone so mentally tornado'd that they are just giving up and posting stuff like this?

It's kind of a simple solve.

You and HK will never find me your proving that. I will never find HK so like one of us needs to die.

I know I'm town. But my flip can help solve the game.

I don't have a fucking clue what HK is but there flip kind of gives me definitive answers in multiple directions

the bolded is good. The rest isn't. You're dissolving into a puddle of ate just because I'm pushing you on something small like wim. I politely ask that you get off your knees and stand up for yourself, because I would like to win and not just waste 40 something hours praying the hk flip pays off. There's so much more to be done, regardless of whether hk flips or not.

We never win with both of us alive. Like ever. So if your not going to kill HK. I need to die

I don't see a universe where both you and hk make it to lylo.

It's 5 v 2 right now no? It's lylo if we mislim today and me and HK are alive no?

well you're the one who insists on yourself or hk dying. so that would automatically prevent both of you from reaching lylo.

but i followed up on that thought anyway - I realized it wasn't really true from my worldview.

[Porscha]

@Lilypetal hey why are you making shithole posts today friend?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

[Porscha]

@TonyStarkPrime hi tsp would you be so inclined to let me know how little of the game you have read? hoping your response amounts to more than 5 words, ideally. thanks.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

One of us always gives the best and most useful info to solve the game even if we get it wrong

Everyone else gives us nothing if we get it wrong.

If we get it right it's even better

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

And I really don't want to have this fucking conversation over and over again for 48 hours.

[Porscha]

In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? why does it have to be hk and only you involved? HK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? doesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. and if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained.

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. if hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off?

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best.

[Porscha]

It's fine- I understand you firmly believe in a specific worldview that I am clearly not changing. We don't have to keep talking about it for 48 hours. you can leave if you find 1 on 1'ing with me too exhausting.

I refuse to live in the predetermined bubble that took less than like 2 hours to reach before everyone dipped and resigned themselves to doing nothing for the next 40 hours.

[Porscha]

In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? why does it have to be hk and only you involved? HK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? doesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. and if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained.

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including both wolves. if hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off?

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best.

EBWOP

[Porscha]

@Esooa who is hk's partner when he flips wolf?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? because I'mnot clear lol why does it have to be hk and only you involved? because me and HK are the two most obvious choices to solve the game lolHK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. no your not I've engaged on this multiple times and recieved nothing like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. no is not despite your insistence you and sabi aren't cleared from shit at this stage. You are options on the table. Clearing you is always helpful. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? me Lily and Esooa especially based on Day 1 reactions to HK rage ball unless you think it was scum theatre and one of us were just cool with bussing lol the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? why are you so insistent that his partner is bussing him when that is not a fact and can not be proven as onedoesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. this is ridiculous and for someone who insists other people are making posts that are wolfy and make no sense you've made a fewand if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained. good HK needs to be flipped and should've been long ago

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. factually inaccurateif hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. factually inaccurate I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off? read above

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best. your hat repeating stuff this entire paragraph

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

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Updated x 2

There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

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MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

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There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

Because if so HK flips woof it is always Sabi...I can't see it any other way after day 1

HK flips town it is never Sabi and we can solve between Lily and Esooa.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

[Porscha]

Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

Because HKs wagon D1 always has one wolf on it.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Killing HK and clearing me and Esooa and Lily the other way kind of fucking useful.

Not killing HK we get to have this argument all over tomorrow for the what 6th day in a row

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

Because HKs wagon D1 always has one wolf on it.

And Lily/Esooa are cleared if HK is woof

[Porscha]

In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? because I'mnot clear lol why does it have to be hk and only you involved? because me and HK are the two most obvious choices to solve the game lolHK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. no your not I've engaged on this multiple times and recieved nothing like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. no is not despite your insistence you and sabi aren't cleared from shit at this stage. You are options on the table. Clearing you is always helpful. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? me Lily and Esooa especially based on Day 1 reactions to HK rage ball unless you think it was scum theatre and one of us were just cool with bussing lol the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? why are you so insistent that his partner is bussing him when that is not a fact and can not be proven as onedoesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. this is ridiculous and for someone who insists other people are making posts that are wolfy and make no sense you've made a fewand if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained. good HK needs to be flipped and should've been long ago

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. factually inaccurateif hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. factually inaccurate I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off? read above

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best. your hat repeating stuff this entire paragraph

you aren't the only person who isn't clear. I don't think you and hk have to be the obvious choices to solve the game. I am in fact open to being convinced, you just weren't the one who was able to convince me. I do believe I am very clear, but it is always technically possible sabi isn't, though I think there's like a 95% chance sabi is town. If I am an option on the table, then we are tinfoiling ourselves into stupid oblivion.

I see we have a gap in our thinking in regards to who could be hk's partner if he is wolf. I think if hk is wolf, his partner has always been fine with bussing him. why would you believe that w!hk's partner would be unwilling to bus him after his day 1 incident? if me and sabi are the only ones defending hk, then wouldn't it be *extremely* obvious who the other wolf would be? there's zero reason for a wolf partner to not bus hk and take the cred for it. I also obviously (to myself) cannot be hk wolf partner and I highly highly doubt sabi is too. so that leaves nothing for me to be found there, is my logic. I can't think of any reasons why, if hk is wolf, his teammate wouldn't be down to bus him at any moment's notice or even be directly pushing for his lynch. Additionally, if hk is wolf and I strongly strongly believe his partner would be bussing him, seeing his responses to everyone who push on him makes me believe there is a chance hk is not wolf. so sure, it can't be proven his theoretical wolf partner is bussing him right now, but since I know I'm not bussing him, and I don't think sabi is wolf and she isn't voting him, that leaves literally only tsp as the current player who is entirely null and voting me because he's presumably read very very little of the game (no shade btw, I wouldn't either if I were him.) So yes, I strongly believe that if hk is wolf, he has been bussed earlier or will be bussed today.

I don't believe HK *has* to be flipped today. But I think the average FM player would agree with you here, so I understand I'm the outlier in refusing to believe there *has* to be any particular thing that happens today. the risk of hk flipping town is just as nefarious as any other slot flipping town today, which is why I'm far more concerned with finding a wolf and not attempting to convince myself that hk flipping solves the game for me so why should I bother existing during the next 40 hours. (This is a point to the threadstate - not a comment about you btw neon.)

and it is factually accurate if everybody, say, except myself, votes hk. It seems virtually everybody except me and sabi agreed to vote hk, excluding tsp who is doing his own thing. TO ME, that means his partner bussed unless his partner is exactly tsp. his partner has to bus. they cannot be like me and shield HK when everybody wants HK flipped. I'm very aware that if I shield hk like this and he flips wolf, there will be an argument made against me that I have been shielding him all game and therefore his partner. But that would be too easy, wouldn't it? if everybody except myself votes hk and hk is wolf, his partner is bussing. this of course only makes sense in a world where I am town, which of course applies to my own thought process.

but I can understand this being more stressful for you if you can't even townread me at the least, because I doubt you're able to give a strong townread to anybody else either. flailing is very exhausting.

[Porscha]

EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

Updated

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There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

ah, well, it isn't a fact and can't currently be proven as one, so. who knows.

[Porscha]

EoD D1 Votecount

(As recalled by Achro, call out a mistake if you see one) We know for sure it was 8-7 tho.)

Ender (8) - Visorslash , MacDougall , Porscha, Wilgy, Snow, Neon , Achromatic, Hollowkatt
Hollowkatt (7) Sabi, Lily, Nook, Jack, Santy, Esooa, Enderwiggin

Updated

Updated x 2

There's no way HK is pure right?

You agree this wagon is never pure yes

@Porscha

Because if so HK flips woof it is always Sabi...I can't see it any other way after day 1

HK flips town it is never Sabi and we can solve between Lily and Esooa.

if I did believe that, and if hk flips wolf, I don't ever push sabi before I push lily or esooa. because I can make the argument lily or esooa bussed.
if hk flips town, I could use the TMI argument against sabi.

it's literally all wifom stuff. I can make up reasons for anyone doing anything.

[Porscha]

explain to me how killing HK clears the 3 of you.

because unless the wolves are me and tsp, then there's already the other wolf bussing him. like come on.

The other 1 singular woof would be in you Sabi and TSP methinks no?

But it's pretty much just always Sabi anyways.

Because woof HK is never paired with Lily or Esooa after D1... like... ever.

why do you think sabi who has been very towny all game is more likely to be hk's partner over fucking wilgy/tsp? lmao letting slankers slank forever I guess...

Because HKs wagon D1 always has one wolf on it.

And Lily/Esooa are cleared if HK is woof

if we assume hk's d1 always has one wolf on it, what if lily or esooa had bussed hk? I am confused as to why you are difference checking sabi and lily/esooa.

[Porscha]

okay i'm tired. gonna go be unsober and i'll be in and out tomorrow.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

In a world where neither me nor HK die today if we shoot in the dark at anyone else and we kill a town how do we solve me and HK in lylo of we are both town. No matter who we shoot it never clears me and HK.

If we kill a woof it still doesn't clear me and HK so we go into a 4 v 1 where one of me and HK dies and if we are both T v T in that scenario we go into a 2 v 1.

Either way me or HK always die there's no way to solve both of us without one of us dying and even if it's T v T.

So it's better to kill within me and HK now so we don't just lose tmrw if we miss again on anyone else.

Because your flip doesn't solve me and HK

Esooa doesn't Sabi doesn't TSP doesn't lily doesn't.

The only other option I would ever entertain is that we need to shoot within the HK wagon today and tmrw if we shoot wrong today because the wagon is not pure in my world view ever.

But I'd rather solve me and HK because I think one of us flipping makes solving that wagon even easier than just shooting in the dark.

why are you so obsessed with yourself in your world view? because I'mnot clear lol why does it have to be hk and only you involved? because me and HK are the two most obvious choices to solve the game lolHK flipping already doesn't solve fuck all from my point of view, but I am open to be convinced otherwise. no your not I've engaged on this multiple times and recieved nothing like I've stated, if hk flips town, who is that really clearing? me and sabi who defended him? that's useless. no is not despite your insistence you and sabi aren't cleared from shit at this stage. You are options on the table. Clearing you is always helpful. if hk flips wolf, who does that clear? me Lily and Esooa especially based on Day 1 reactions to HK rage ball unless you think it was scum theatre and one of us were just cool with bussing lol the other townies who pushed him and his wolf partner who's been bussing him too? why are you so insistent that his partner is bussing him when that is not a fact and can not be proven as onedoesn't seem clear to me that anybody who voted him will be cleared. this is ridiculous and for someone who insists other people are making posts that are wolfy and make no sense you've made a fewand if we keep harping on about need to flip hk, then literally everyone will just vote hk and nothing will be gained. good HK needs to be flipped and should've been long ago

flipping hk is too easy. if he's town, it's instant lylo and everybody voted him, including his partner. factually inaccurateif hk is wolf, his partner is almost always bussing here. factually inaccurate I want to say always. so how does it clear fuck all by voting him off? read above

if hk flips town, the argument can be made that me or sabi had tmi, but all it likely does is clear us both, when we've already been cleared. waste.
if hk flips wolf, the argument can be made that anyone who has been pushing him is town, but this will be untrue because his partner has 99% likely been bussing him. And how will you determine who that person is? by just wasting today in it's entirety harping on about hk?
No. you will find that person by being fucking annoying and making as many pushes onto every single person as possible, no matter if or how hk flips. and since it seems literally nobody else is up to the task, I will do my best. your hat repeating stuff this entire paragraph

you aren't the only person who isn't clear. true absolutely nobody is clear but I'm the only one who isn't clear and isn't HK who is going to be used a exe bait in lylo I don't think you and hk have to be the obvious choices to solve the game. I don't understand how you can say this when if we exe wrong today me or HK die in lylo where we can't exe wrong. There's no do overs. If me and HK are T v T and live today and we misexe town loses. Today we don't. I am in fact open to being convinced, you just weren't the one who was able to convince me. [
I do believe I am very clear, if you were clear people wouldn't be pushing you and you'd probably be dead by now but it is always technically possible sabi isn't, though I think there's like a 95% chance sabi is town. it is entirely possible Sabi isn't town and there's no way to ever say they always are If I am an option on the table, then we are tinfoiling ourselves into stupid oblivion. or you know you're not as towny as you insist you are and woofs can go deep

I see we have a gap in our thinking in regards to who could be hk's partner if he is wolf. I think if hk is wolf, his partner has always been fine with bussing him. why? Why now? Why here? There's so many people unwilling to kill HK today there's no reason to bus HK right now. Besides that even if you think that Esooa and Lily are cleared so the bus is within me and Sabi but i dont think Sabi is ever bussing here so it's me lol why would you believe that w!hk's partner would be unwilling to bus him after his day 1 incident? i don't lol but i think they'd be unwilling to bus him here. And probably after the Mac flip as a general rule if me and sabi are the only ones defending hk, then wouldn't it be *extremely* obvious who the other wolf would be? no lol could be you TSP or Sabi. Also me but it's not me. there's zero reason for a wolf partner to not bus hk and take the cred for it. there is zero reason for a wolf to bus HK this early fir cred when there's 48 hours in this god forsaken day and a misexe takes us to lylo now I also obviously (to myself) cannot be hk wolf partner and I highly highly doubt sabi is too. this continues to be excessively illogical so that leaves nothing for me to be found there, is my logic. I can't think of any reasons why, if hk is wolf, his teammate wouldn't be down to bus him at any moment's notice or even be directly pushing for his lynch. Additionally, if hk is wolf and I strongly strongly believe his partner would be bussing him, seeing his responses to everyone who push on him makes me believe there is a chance hk is not wolf. this still gives us info for the solve so sure, it can't be proven his theoretical wolf partner is bussing him right now, but since I know I'm not bussing him, and I don't think sabi is wolf and she isn't voting him, that leaves literally only tsp as the current player who is entirely null and voting me because he's presumably read very very little of the game (no shade btw, I wouldn't either if I were him.) So yes, I strongly believe that if hk is wolf, he has been bussed earlier or will be bussed today.

I don't believe HK *has* to be flipped today. But I think the average FM player would agree with you here, so I understand I'm the outlier in refusing to believe there *has* to be any particular thing that happens today. the risk of hk flipping town is just as nefarious as any other slot flipping town today, which is why I'm far more concerned with finding a wolf and not attempting to convince myself that hk flipping solves the game for me so why should I bother existing during the next 40 hours. (This is a point to the threadstate - not a comment about you btw neon.)

and it is factually accurate if everybody, say, except myself, votes hk. is repeatedly been proven this won't happen so why keep saying it It seems virtually everybody except me and sabi agreed to vote hk, excluding tsp who is doing his own thing. TO ME, that means his partner bussed unless his partner is exactly tsp. always a possibility but certainly not the only one. Why won't you reeval Sabi if HK is woof? his partner has to bus. they cannot be like me and shield HK when everybody wants HK flipped. why not there's enough counter push to save HK... again... and win the game tmrw instead of later I'm very aware that if I shield hk like this and he flips wolf, there will be an argument made against me that I have been shielding him all game and therefore his partner. But that would be too easy, wouldn't it? nothing is ever too easy but you are not the person i would ever push. I think that argument is just wrong. if everybody except myself votes hk and hk is wolf, his partner is bussing. this of course only makes sense in a world where I am town, which of course applies to my own thought process.

but I can understand this being more stressful for you if you can't even townread me at the least, i mean i actually do the more i look at things but just because i do doesn't mean your thread clearedbecause I doubt you're able to give a strong townread to anybody else either. flailing is very exhausting.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

And you can flip into HK later in the day if you need to ala... how Sabi has left themselves ways onto HK that don't appear suspicious on a base level

[Porscha]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

[Porscha]

Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (8) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic, Porscha, sabiplz
Esooa (4) - Jack, Hollowkatt, MacDougall, Neon
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

Another question for everyone

Do you think Esooa here can be pure outside of Mac?

And do you think Mac runs up woof partner Esooa here? Because Esooas wagon for a while was close to going over instead of Mac

yeah I think it could easily be possible. I honestly believe that mac had pretty concrete plans of going over early in the game. he came into day 2 accusing me of sr'ing him cuz he didn't die n1 as a means to push back on what he thought was my thought process, when it obviously wasn't. he was lazy, shitting reads like diarrhea all over the place, accusing lily and esooa of bullshitting him, never getting anywhere for it. he had to know that if esooa flipped town he would be policied the next day. easy cover for esooa to work herself out of imo, she's a good player. great way to get her deep wolfed. and if esooa flipped wolf? well that's great for mac to say "see you guys i'm not a fucking idiot, I saw the ploy you guys never saw. i might be shit posting a little but i'm still mac." though I believe he preferred and instructed his wolf teammates to just let him die, throw him aside. he couldn't live to day 3 without me or others being highly suspicious of him not getting nk'd and he knows that.

it is possible that the esooa wagon presented at that moment in time with 4 votes could have been pure, sure.

I've been told my world view is to black and white but the problem I have here is if Esooa is woof and dies Mac dies pretty quickly anyways right cause 1 to 2 days later everyone is gonna be like "why the fuck is Mac still alive" and than you have given your last scum mate an impossible task.

I could see maybe that Mac never thought he was going to not die so why not but like he threw votes all over the place at EoD.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

And he only went to Esooa when the thread gave him hope he could not die

[Porscha]

And you can flip into HK later in the day if you need to ala... how Sabi has left themselves ways onto HK that don't appear suspicious on a base level

That's fair. I can't particularly recall how sabi handled HK throughout most of the game, to be honest. I've done nothing but double down, but if sabi has hedged (and they wouldn't be the only one, I imagine, since hk's slot has been contentious all game) then maybe i'm a little more open to her being 5+% wolf.

[Porscha]

wow I love remembering sabi's pronouns and then misusing them in the same sentence like i'm a fucking mongoloid. i'm logging off lmao

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like why bus HK and make it 4 v 1 and give town 2 shots when you can just not and make it 3 v 2 and give town 1 shot

because that assumes not bussing would be more optimal? the majority of players want to flip hk. ergo, the wolf will need to blend in with this (this is very much more of a today specific read, second wolf may not have actively pushed onto hk in earlier days.)

like, if I end up being the only person to not vote hk and he flips wolf, it's inherently going to make everyone look at me like I'm a fucking moron. being the only person to not vote hk today would be extremely attention-bringing to the other wolf. that is of course, if everyone gives up and rolls over and cries about how there isn't a hammer and votes hk. therefore, wolf partner has to bus hk.

now if he we actively have counterwagons at some point, then there's a different conversation to be had. but we haven't, and the mindset of the players in the game when I was reading from today forward has been "fuck hk we ball", so I don't know that I will be able to shake it up enough to convince people to do more than that. /shrug

This still doesn't tell me why they'd be on HK right this second. Like I do exactly what Sabi has done if I'm partnered. Gauge if there's interest to save HK leave myself an out in either direction by saying I'm reevaling everyone.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Granted sabi is on HK so... my point is moot but also sabi didn't really want to be there lol