The Syndicate

Rondo restating a hundred times how he would never do this as wolf and how he is CLEARED is slightly wolfy. I have played many games where wolves just repeat that they are clear until the thread just accepts it tbh

here are some d1 and d2 notes i made (the relevant ones):
Seanzie voting Alison clears Seanzie if Alison wolf
1811 - save alison pls from lily

I dont think wolf!Lily writes "save alison" tbh

hello i am slightly tipsy and listening to monkey island music ama

arogame123 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:19 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:02 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:50 pm I am home from work
Gonna make food etc then play tbh
I'm curious what the etc you're going to make is.
Wolf stew
Ok yea, Boq is confirmed mafia. Ggs

aro lowkey calling me a cannibal

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:02 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:50 pm I am home from work
Gonna make food etc then play tbh
I'm curious what the etc you're going to make is.

Wolf stew

I am home from work
Gonna make food etc then play tbh

It is frustrating that eod is so late for me, so I couldn't be there to vote Alison during D1.
It is frustrating that I walked back my Alison vote D2 and walked back a town read in Creature tbh.

I like winning and voting correctly tbh that's all

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:33 am I too hate red flips

Not at all what I said.

So my Lucy read was correct, too bad i began walking it back.

Need to get up and get ready to work. Will post later. Alison flipping wolf is cool but frustrating too smh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:55 pm does anyone remember who posted the votecounts throughout the end of d1 and the end of d2? i think that's the first place that i want to look today to do some basic gamestate analysis

Rondo

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:38 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:22 pm my current "one wolf maximum" pool is probably arogame, boquise, lilypetal, and possibly lucy but i'm waiting for her to post more today before i make up my mind on that. does anyone have any thoughts on who within that pool i might be misreading or clearing incorrectly?
I'm confused as to the meaning of one wolf maximum?
it basically means "this is my list of strong townreads and if i'm misreading anyone in this list it's only one of them"
I'd like to know what makes Boq a strong town read. I'm also surprised to not see Porscha as a town read.
when boq was being wagoned by a plurality of the game on d1 and i was the only person in the game townreading him (more or less), he went out of his way to attack me and try to push on me because he was mad that i wasn't defending him strongly enough. i thought that looked really towny for boq because it showed a lack of self-preservation intent and was a play that would risk alienating the one person defending him at a time when he was clearly desperate/frustrated with the gamestate

he has also been the only person in the game to echo my exact thought process about aliso ntoday and echo a similar frustration with the stagnation of the gamestate, his interactions with you look like they come more from a frustrated villager than someone playing with a wolf agenda, etc etc. i also generally just feel like boq doesn't have many friends in this game and has been playing on his own little island, which is usually town indicative as well

lucy pushing on boq is actually makign me doubt myself but i do think that boq is more likely to be town than not

It is really embarrassing that this is how I display my play here in this game and on the site. I've just had enough. It is petty, it is childish, it is whatever. But I just feel done.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:45 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:12 pm Actually I will tell with clear language what is the problem I am having here, since I am being the "emotional, irrational, annoying" one in this conversation and you are the rational, logical, adult one, as in how we have been positioned.

You are not talking to me with the intent to solve or understand my pov.
You are talking in a way to rile me up and make me come off as more irrational (and the general person reads "irrational" as wolfy). You have written conclusions on what I did without having the context, and then use my frustration against me. Showing absolutely no sign to understand why that is not to have a conversation. When I told you to read up, you said "nah", I said I would ignore you then, and you immediately turn that around to make me the problem and you the adult in the conversation.

You grossly mischaracterised my explaining to town read Seanzie. You did not care at all for my explanation. You have not engaged with me at all with my challenge "I have not received a reason to question my read" aside from the standard "it is good to second-guess".

You claimed I should vs Seanzie. First you try to play semantics, saying you havent said we "should duke it out", and then when caught in the lie, you try to refer to the hedging second sentence.

It is wolfy to try to instigate town vs town. Me going off on a tangent will only help diversing the thread against me (which I am partly to blame), but if you are town, you are not trying to work with me. Even clearer: You are not trying to talk with me. You are trying to play me.

Perhaps you want to change the wagons from Alison to me?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This so we don't have any questions about the yeet. Tomorrow I will vote for you. If Alison flips w, that is. If Alison flips town, I will reconsider.
I promise that this is all in your head and nobody else sees it that way. you already know you're the emotional one, so stop projecting. coming from someone who is similar to you btw. it isn't helping you or anyone else to have the conversation viewed in that light.

Additionally, it seems you don't understand how wilgy engages with people. I suppose I'm taking the stance that you got too defensive by reading into wilgy's push too much. he is going to push people to come to his own conclusions, because that's just how the game... happens. I would not scum read wilgy for these interactions, even if I were in your shoes and I didn't like them.

I am fully aware that I am being the emotional one.
"as in how we have been positioned."
"make me more irrational"
"which I am partly to blame"

Normally I would not react this strongly to this push, but considering how this whole game has went I have just had enough with it.
However, I still think it is slimy. I think it is wolfy. I think Wilgy is aware of what he is doing.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Big-Or-Bad

Just to be fair, here is a wolf game where I get death tunnelled for nonsensical reasons too. I think my reaction across both town and scum games are similar. Maybe with the difference that as a wolf I lost my patience faster, but eh. Still, that death tunnel came from a town player too. I would have easily seen that as town as well tbh

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

Or what about this game where Jepg's death tunnel started because I quoted posts in a random order during sod and couldnt give him a logical explanation to why.
This is the game where I learned this tell. It is one of the most miserable mafia experiences I have had, but it has served me well tbh

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

Another game where I was death tunnelled by town and deduced they were town. Even solved the F3 by the simple solution I have learned. Such a magician tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:33 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:19 pm @lucy - why have u ignored all of my requests for u to explain your reads in more detail or engage with other ppl more?
i’ll make a legacy before day ends with my thoughts
but 1-2 wolves in lily/boq
okay

i kind of townread both of them so if u feel confident that there's 1-2 wolves between them i would appreciate as much explanation as youre able to give so that i can get there too
reread boq today and look for tmi
not the usual tmi slip
but what you would be saying if you did have tmi and were a competent finalist and wanted to visibly look like you didn’t

idk with you tbh but i would personally seize my chance when they lose momentum during d2 and kill them tbh it wont be tmi if they flip u know tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:22 pm my current "one wolf maximum" pool is probably arogame, boquise, lilypetal, and possibly lucy but i'm waiting for her to post more today before i make up my mind on that. does anyone have any thoughts on who within that pool i might be misreading or clearing incorrectly?
no, lily/boq has 1-2
aro and rondo are locktown imo
I have abhorred rondo's posting today. like to the point he is lucky I cannot vig him. can you explain rondo town lock

i was sorta serious with the gun tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:34 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:32 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:22 pm my current "one wolf maximum" pool is probably arogame, boquise, lilypetal, and possibly lucy but i'm waiting for her to post more today before i make up my mind on that. does anyone have any thoughts on who within that pool i might be misreading or clearing incorrectly?
no, lily/boq has 1-2
aro and rondo are locktown imo
I have abhorred rondo's posting today. like to the point he is lucky I cannot vig him. can you explain rondo town lock
him and creature became lock at eod2 because they had a conversation which i deduced the exact messages before it happened

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Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:18 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:13 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:07 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:39 pm Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.
Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh
Do you *really* think wilgy is wolf for this read, or don't you believe it is more likely from an uninformed town? your interactions with sean are ... a tad weird, tbf. not enough for me to push on it, but i'm also keeping it in mind.
I dont think Wilgy is genuinely interested in solving me.
I still have several examples where I have done this as town. Why should I have to go through a perfomative dance just to arrive to a read I already have?
I haven't finished reading your guy's quarrel yet. might have updated opinion shortly.

the trouble, unfortunately, is that it's virtually impossible (from everybody else's perspective) to tell if a wolf getting tunnelled is just tmi'ing the slot or legitimately a town player understanding they are likely getting tunnelled by a town.

Besides - if wilgy is tunneling you now, then why is his tunnel wolf but sean's tunnel town? I already know the answer - meta on sean proving it is something he does as town a lot - but do you have meta with wilgy? do you not believe sean is capable of mimicking his town play as wolf, especially when he isn't posting a whole lot? I mean shiieettt, if I all I have to do as wolf to get hard TR'd is to tunnel someone else, then like? i'ma do it. and sean would too. lol

is this something you have taken into consideration and believe to be impossible or highly unprobable?

I have shared a game where I have the exact process as town. It should be enough to show that it is NAI. I am self-aware in my play, I like to have an open process, I base reads on patterns I have seen etc.

I have no meta of Seanzie. We played just one game before. I have also only played one game with Wilgy before.
Sean's and Wilgy's approaches are completely different, I would not even call Wilgy tunnelling.

Seanzie is doing the "this random post is wolfy and now I will read every single reaction from that player as scummy" + "haha you're just a wolf". Firstly, I do not understand how that logic works but I know I havent seen it in scum. Secondly, Seanzie's responses give no real room for big responses. They just are. Thirdly, Seanzie has also shown irritation when town read for all this (I made a longer post about this during D2).

Wilgy's approach is slimy (I have already described it in a longer post). He has also tried to make me question my Seanzie read in a scummy manner.

Like.
If Wilgy is town - why cant he let me have my Seanzie read? Why does it matter so much on a locked day that I town read Seanzie? It is also completely illogical to find it scummy that I dont want to thunderdome a town read. Why would I ever want to do that?? In a game that got locked in D2 with only two allowed wagons? Tomorrow needs to be a day where more than two players are examined. Wolves can practically sleep through the whole game right now. Yet, I will not be chaotic and remove strong reads without any reason.

Seanzie being wolf is not impossible, but it is highly improbable. For the record, I found Lucy to be highly probable town on D1, but now I am second-guessing it, because I have reason to.

It is also interesting that this Seanzie read is a problem, but not my Lucy read or my read on you. Oh well tbh.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:13 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:58 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:46 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:04 pmslow day
Yea, we are in a lock and has been since eod1.
I don't subscribe to the idea that we are forced to do info yeets, but nothing will be solved until it happens in this game
Who is in your poe
I am not sure anymore
Rondo/Nanook/Lucy fits the way wolves would play this game currently.
I believe I could be wrong on Spf
I think your interactions with rondo were weird too, nook and lucy just low posting to warrant your poe?

Perhaps, but I had fun interacting with Rondo and that was nice.
Nook and Lucy are in my poe because this is how wolves play if town is destroying itself. If Alison flips town, it is clear to me that town is destroying itself.

Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:12 pm Actually I will tell with clear language what is the problem I am having here, since I am being the "emotional, irrational, annoying" one in this conversation and you are the rational, logical, adult one, as in how we have been positioned.

You are not talking to me with the intent to solve or understand my pov.
You are talking in a way to rile me up and make me come off as more irrational (and the general person reads "irrational" as wolfy). You have written conclusions on what I did without having the context, and then use my frustration against me. Showing absolutely no sign to understand why that is not to have a conversation. When I told you to read up, you said "nah", I said I would ignore you then, and you immediately turn that around to make me the problem and you the adult in the conversation.

You grossly mischaracterised my explaining to town read Seanzie. You did not care at all for my explanation. You have not engaged with me at all with my challenge "I have not received a reason to question my read" aside from the standard "it is good to second-guess".

You claimed I should vs Seanzie. First you try to play semantics, saying you havent said we "should duke it out", and then when caught in the lie, you try to refer to the hedging second sentence.

It is wolfy to try to instigate town vs town. Me going off on a tangent will only help diversing the thread against me (which I am partly to blame), but if you are town, you are not trying to work with me. Even clearer: You are not trying to talk with me. You are trying to play me.

Perhaps you want to change the wagons from Alison to me?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This so we don't have any questions about the yeet. Tomorrow I will vote for you. If Alison flips w, that is. If Alison flips town, I will reconsider.

I meant the opposite. If Alison flips v. If Alison is wolf I will reconsider.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:07 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:39 pm Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.
Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh
Do you *really* think wilgy is wolf for this read, or don't you believe it is more likely from an uninformed town? your interactions with sean are ... a tad weird, tbf. not enough for me to push on it, but i'm also keeping it in mind.

I dont think Wilgy is genuinely interested in solving me.
I still have several examples where I have done this as town. Why should I have to go through a perfomative dance just to arrive to a read I already have?

Actually I will tell with clear language what is the problem I am having here, since I am being the "emotional, irrational, annoying" one in this conversation and you are the rational, logical, adult one, as in how we have been positioned.

You are not talking to me with the intent to solve or understand my pov.
You are talking in a way to rile me up and make me come off as more irrational (and the general person reads "irrational" as wolfy). You have written conclusions on what I did without having the context, and then use my frustration against me. Showing absolutely no sign to understand why that is not to have a conversation. When I told you to read up, you said "nah", I said I would ignore you then, and you immediately turn that around to make me the problem and you the adult in the conversation.

You grossly mischaracterised my explaining to town read Seanzie. You did not care at all for my explanation. You have not engaged with me at all with my challenge "I have not received a reason to question my read" aside from the standard "it is good to second-guess".

You claimed I should vs Seanzie. First you try to play semantics, saying you havent said we "should duke it out", and then when caught in the lie, you try to refer to the hedging second sentence.

It is wolfy to try to instigate town vs town. Me going off on a tangent will only help diversing the thread against me (which I am partly to blame), but if you are town, you are not trying to work with me. Even clearer: You are not trying to talk with me. You are trying to play me.

Perhaps you want to change the wagons from Alison to me?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This so we don't have any questions about the yeet. Tomorrow I will vote for you. If Alison flips w, that is. If Alison flips town, I will reconsider.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:56 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:46 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:29 pm

Nah
Kay gonna ignore you then tbh
Well that won't solve a game.
Read the context then.
When I can.

Don't you see Boq? This entire interaction has given me much more of an understanding of you than what I personally could have gleamed via your ISO on the time limitations I have. Why cease our arguing now?
I am all for pushing and poking to see what happens. I have done that D1 and D2.
But I am all against making complete blind assumptions and conclusions and push me for that. It destroys town coerceness and makes you come off as completely non-genuine in your process.

This actually reads like a damage control.
Again, you describe it as blind. You are false in this statement and I don't understand why you base your thoughts on that.

Reads like damage control how so?

A spade is a spade.

You are trying to change the topic to make yourself sound better.

To respond to your post to the picture:
I have already explained why it is wolf motivated and why you in your thread position could not do anything different. I am not going to explain it twice.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:54 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:27 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:14 pm

I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?
So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.
I jumped into a developed game. My slot had opinions and gameplay time that I am not pricy to nor will be, that's just how it is. Getting annoyed is normal. The self awareness that I pointed out seems abnormal.

Fantastic. I have played Mafia for a decade as well, I've been right and wrong. There are correct conclusions and incorrect conclusions.

Voicing a concern and suspicion is not causing a thunderdome, hell if If anything this effectively clears Seanzie while you are alive because of the situation where you are town, I should be inclined to trust your read. Where you are wolf you know his alignment.

It is only in the scenario where a bus becomes a theory where Seanzie would be considered, we are nowhere near that stage in the game.
You are not bound to your slot's opinions. Hopefully this self-awareness will not be regarded as abnormal when you see my flip then.

If you have played for a decade, you should know that you should read up on the context before making conclusions. No one has provided any reason why I should second-guess this read. Seanzie has not given me any reason to second-guess it either. It is super wolfy to try to force me to question my reads without given a single sensible argument aside from "what if you are wrong".

You literally wrote that you would like to see me and Seanzie duke it out.
The point was is that I don't have my slots previous opinions. They are not available to me.

That seems presumptuous I think. A decade of gameplay doesn't change my capacity to read and engage with what I have available to me in both time and energy. Coming to the best conclusions I can is all one can do. Does not a decade of gameplay teach that may be the case? I find myself always questioning "what if I'm wrong" it's always the 2nd or 3rd line I attempt to draw conclusions from.

I don't think I said "I'd like to see you Duke it out". I believe I said, there's an oddity in your interactions and I'd like to understand why?
Yet you are completely basing your own reads on that.

Read up the context before you make conclusions on a conversation. I have yet received a reason to second-guess my Seanzie read. That's how you play then. It isn't how I play. If I have a 99% read accuracy on a certain approach then I will rep it until the game shows me a reason to not to. You have characterised me as "i am right u wrong u wolf" which is not true at all. I have second-guessed several, if not all, of my reads. I have shown my process and I have hedged. I had a strong town read on Lucy that is waning. But on Seanzie the read is not. You would know all this if you actually tried to solve me instead of waving in the dark making blind guesses.

You said forcing a me vs Seanzie. Essentially the same.
And that's untrue. Most of my reads are based on town legacy and the advents of today. If my reads were strictly what Neon had stated, I'd be on Aro still. I see no reason as to why I'd do that.

I am trying to solve you. You claim blind guess, when I have in fact pointed to something I see as wolf inclined and am now interacting with you. I think I've also pointed and integrated this multiple times now. Your argument is faulted and I'm unsure if it is because you are an emotionally invested town who is still annoyed or because the argument doesn't come naturally due to your alignment.

I do not think it is the same. Exploring an avenue of thought is very much different from encouraging a behavior. I think I got the data from both you and Seanzie following that indicates that forcing a Sean v Boq is silly. Sean is never W if you are correct or if you are a W.

You base your reads. Base. The base. The start. The first point.

"Abnormal" is wolfy? lol. You are doing blind guesses because you are BASING your whole argument of 1% of a conversation that runs from D1. You have shown zero interest in understand it, and instead jump right in with conclusions.

Wow so I was correct on me vs Seanzie being bad? What a surprise.

yeah tabbing out from this game
See you tomorrow.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:45 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Yes? And in that very statement I said I'm unsure if it's the correct route?

where I will push tomorrow*

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

This is where I will push yesterday. I retract my town read on the slot.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:49 pm “I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.”
NK never happens between any of them, or lily

I am never getting NK'd in this game because of tunnels tbh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:46 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:18 pm

"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.
I have already written nuanced reasons to town read Seanzie. You have had all day to read up the game or at least look through this, considering this is your main agenda today.

No, if you try to push me to do anti-town things, I will start pushing you. 1+1=2. It is wolfy to try to instigate a thunderdome between two town members.

Read up my posts with Seanzie before continuing this conversation with me.
Nah
Kay gonna ignore you then tbh
Well that won't solve a game.
Read the context then.
When I can.

Don't you see Boq? This entire interaction has given me much more of an understanding of you than what I personally could have gleamed via your ISO on the time limitations I have. Why cease our arguing now?

I am all for pushing and poking to see what happens. I have done that D1 and D2.
But I am all against making complete blind assumptions and conclusions and push me for that. It destroys town coerceness and makes you come off as completely non-genuine in your process.

This actually reads like a damage control.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:27 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:14 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:39 pm Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.
Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh
I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?
So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.
I jumped into a developed game. My slot had opinions and gameplay time that I am not pricy to nor will be, that's just how it is. Getting annoyed is normal. The self awareness that I pointed out seems abnormal.

Fantastic. I have played Mafia for a decade as well, I've been right and wrong. There are correct conclusions and incorrect conclusions.

Voicing a concern and suspicion is not causing a thunderdome, hell if If anything this effectively clears Seanzie while you are alive because of the situation where you are town, I should be inclined to trust your read. Where you are wolf you know his alignment.

It is only in the scenario where a bus becomes a theory where Seanzie would be considered, we are nowhere near that stage in the game.
You are not bound to your slot's opinions. Hopefully this self-awareness will not be regarded as abnormal when you see my flip then.

If you have played for a decade, you should know that you should read up on the context before making conclusions. No one has provided any reason why I should second-guess this read. Seanzie has not given me any reason to second-guess it either. It is super wolfy to try to force me to question my reads without given a single sensible argument aside from "what if you are wrong".

You literally wrote that you would like to see me and Seanzie duke it out.
The point was is that I don't have my slots previous opinions. They are not available to me.

That seems presumptuous I think. A decade of gameplay doesn't change my capacity to read and engage with what I have available to me in both time and energy. Coming to the best conclusions I can is all one can do. Does not a decade of gameplay teach that may be the case? I find myself always questioning "what if I'm wrong" it's always the 2nd or 3rd line I attempt to draw conclusions from.

I don't think I said "I'd like to see you Duke it out". I believe I said, there's an oddity in your interactions and I'd like to understand why?

Yet you are completely basing your own reads on that.

Read up the context before you make conclusions on a conversation. I have yet received a reason to second-guess my Seanzie read. That's how you play then. It isn't how I play. If I have a 99% read accuracy on a certain approach then I will rep it until the game shows me a reason to not to. You have characterised me as "i am right u wrong u wolf" which is not true at all. I have second-guessed several, if not all, of my reads. I have shown my process and I have hedged. I had a strong town read on Lucy that is waning. But on Seanzie the read is not. You would know all this if you actually tried to solve me instead of waving in the dark making blind guesses.

You said forcing a me vs Seanzie. Essentially the same.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:42 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:18 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:16 pm the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.
"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.
I have already written nuanced reasons to town read Seanzie. You have had all day to read up the game or at least look through this, considering this is your main agenda today.

No, if you try to push me to do anti-town things, I will start pushing you. 1+1=2. It is wolfy to try to instigate a thunderdome between two town members.

Read up my posts with Seanzie before continuing this conversation with me.
Nah
Kay gonna ignore you then tbh
Well that won't solve a game.

Read the context then.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:19 pm @Boquise if you think Alison is town, then who would you want to kill today then?

Is there a reason you are ok with the “info lynch” then from your pov?

I have not established strong reads for who I want to kill now, considering how the day is structured.
The reason why I am okay with this info yeet is because otherwise we will be having this tinfoil argument forever. It takes a whole town, not a singular town. I tried to talk about this yesterday, that D3 will be a repeat of D2, and so it is.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:20 pm If you believe Alison is town, could you town case her for me and then also show me why my reasons for scum reading her are invalid based on what I presented?

No. Alison will flip. Me town casing her will only result in these possible outcomes:
1. I manage to make Alison not be the yeet but someone else. If I am lucky, it will hit a wolf. Regardless, Alison will be on everyone's mind D4 anyhow. She has to post herself clear if she is town.
2. Alison is still the yeet.
3. It is kinda a waste of time? I tried yesterday to talk about why Creature and Alison were town, and that did not matter.
4. Perhaps Alison is a wolf and I dig myself even deeper, being a useful townie for the mafia.

I hope the Alison flip can make a hard reset on the game. This is why I have not established strong reads. I let the game leave my mind during the majority of today since it doesn't really matter rn. We are in the waiting room tbh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:18 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:16 pm the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.
"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.
I have already written nuanced reasons to town read Seanzie. You have had all day to read up the game or at least look through this, considering this is your main agenda today.

No, if you try to push me to do anti-town things, I will start pushing you. 1+1=2. It is wolfy to try to instigate a thunderdome between two town members.

Read up my posts with Seanzie before continuing this conversation with me.
Nah

Kay gonna ignore you then tbh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:27 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:14 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:39 pm Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.
Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh
I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?
So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.
I jumped into a developed game. My slot had opinions and gameplay time that I am not pricy to nor will be, that's just how it is. Getting annoyed is normal. The self awareness that I pointed out seems abnormal.

Fantastic. I have played Mafia for a decade as well, I've been right and wrong. There are correct conclusions and incorrect conclusions.

Voicing a concern and suspicion is not causing a thunderdome, hell if If anything this effectively clears Seanzie while you are alive because of the situation where you are town, I should be inclined to trust your read. Where you are wolf you know his alignment.

It is only in the scenario where a bus becomes a theory where Seanzie would be considered, we are nowhere near that stage in the game.

You are not bound to your slot's opinions. Hopefully this self-awareness will not be regarded as abnormal when you see my flip then.

If you have played for a decade, you should know that you should read up on the context before making conclusions. No one has provided any reason why I should second-guess this read. Seanzie has not given me any reason to second-guess it either. It is super wolfy to try to force me to question my reads without given a single sensible argument aside from "what if you are wrong".

You literally wrote that you would like to see me and Seanzie duke it out.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:13 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:21 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.
Sean is town so that would be disastrous
Ok so Boq, talk to me a little bit, because I had you and Seanzie as town for reasons I stated earlier and still do somewhat.

So I want to ask several questions,
1. Is there a reason you are still attempting to engage with Seanzie and not just trying to ignore for now and do your own solve?
2. Despite how others feel about you, is there a reason you feel so pressured just from Seanzie himself that you lose motivation to play the game? Like I can understand the frustration from a tunneller, but it seems like it's really gotten to you. Why is that?
@Boquise not sure if you responded to this yet, but could you answer these questions when u get the chance please.

1. Underneath all this logic, I am an emotional player whose biggest weakness is that I cannot shut up in discussions with someone who irritates me tbh. I am actually easily baited and have to force myself out of debates tbh. I was worse ages ago tho

2. Because it sucks. Because imo it isn't just Seanzie. I spent a lot of my free time to engage and make nuanced and dynamic reads during D1, tried to shake things up during D2, then we have Creature saying stuff like I am not doing anything. And Seanzie throwing darts to determine his scum reads. I have tried to engage other players too and immediately get scolded and sorted into some sort of "strong players must die" when all I wanna do is solve. Meanwhile we have had potatoes in the thread.

It isnt a fun solving environment. I have limited free time due to my work. It isnt worth it to get tilted over or waste time on tbh.

We have like Alison receiving zero real reason why she is scum. Nanook provided 2 reasons. "Mac scum read her, and her reads are meh". No examples on meh reads. No "Yeh but Mac was super sure that Creature was outed wolf". So I basically accepted that this is how the game will be tbh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:18 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:16 pm the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.
"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.

I have already written nuanced reasons to town read Seanzie. You have had all day to read up the game or at least look through this, considering this is your main agenda today.

No, if you try to push me to do anti-town things, I will start pushing you. 1+1=2. It is wolfy to try to instigate a thunderdome between two town members.

Read up my posts with Seanzie before continuing this conversation with me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:14 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:39 pm Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.
Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh
I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?

So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.

the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

Here is an example of me treating a death tunnel on me with absolute confidence that they are town. Lo and behold, they were town and so was I.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:46 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:04 pmslow day
Yea, we are in a lock and has been since eod1.
I don't subscribe to the idea that we are forced to do info yeets, but nothing will be solved until it happens in this game
Who is in your poe

I am not sure anymore
Rondo/Nanook/Lucy fits the way wolves would play this game currently.
I believe I could be wrong on Spf

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:39 pm Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:45 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:58 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:25 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:13 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.
Sean is town so that would be disastrous
my eyebrow is raised
Why?
Just seems like a particularly confident read on sean
I have had that read since D1. Kinda surprised you just noticed tbh
I didnt just notice that you've had it despite Sean's pushes on you. I'm surprised you are maintaining it with such confidence

i have been mindlessly pushed in this manner before and it has almost always been by town. They also have this superior air in their posts where they over-confidently declare everything i post as "scummy". I have only once been pushed by nonsensical reasons by a wolf so I believe in the read tbh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:04 pmslow day

Yea, we are in a lock and has been since eod1.
I don't subscribe to the idea that we are forced to do info yeets, but nothing will be solved until it happens in this game

Boom tbh

If I had a fun...
If I had a GUN

If I had a fun i would shoot Rondo
Mostly because it would be fun tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:25 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:13 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 pm Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.
Sean is town so that would be disastrous
my eyebrow is raised
Why?
Just seems like a particularly confident read on sean

I have had that read since D1. Kinda surprised you just noticed tbh

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