The Syndicate

If I just did the same things I was doing day 1 in terms of suspicions and just hard pushing that the whole time, game would have been better for town

GG

when eod?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:02 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:26 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:53 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:52 pm Colin Hughes - Spends most of the series hiding who he really is from his teammates. Hides behind another player once a night.
What about this role?
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lemme tell you a thing that I think you know and you are trying to be nonchalant about
Okay so check the rolelist. Ted Lasso is a protective role this game, the only... town one (there is the trio mafia person who has a protect). JJJ was Ted Lasso

So looking back at how the day started off. You notice there was NO kill? What could have possibly happened?
Bada Bing Bada Boom the only way for mafia didn't kill anyone if if they targeted the role YOU are questioning here.

I mean if you were town, you would obviously be at least curious about this nobody dying thing and probably look into it for yourself. I did that, I was like "oh" and I carried on with my day.

That is why I heavily question the reaction you gave here. Mafia KNOW EXACTLY who this mysterious Colin guy is I would assume with absolute confidence because that's the person they tried killing last night.
Not necessarily, my dude.

Ok back to driving, got the rest of California to go through before dinner

i don't know what else it could reasonably be

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:00 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:56 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:24 pm wait, so no night kill?

also at least one wolf in: Bereft, Cape, Robyn or Thunal.

They are the only ones who voted to lynch town twice: seanzie and ts account,
It is unfortunate that I quite literally don't see any way that I can reasonably suspect Robyn.

I apologize for my lack of a case at this current moment.

By extension, I also cannot reasonably suspect Cape.

I can reasonably suspect Thunal, but I'd still be hesitant to, given everything.

I believe that today we should try to figure out just what has been going on this game. I think it is pro-ev for town to do so, and will decrease general confusion.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:54 pm I will vote Scotty in the meantime for no reason other than that I think the Scotty probably tmi'ed ts town but was otherwise the biggest wolf agenda pusher besides robyn, who I unfortunately have no reason to suspect like I have already stated. My opinion on Scotty may change given what I read.
I know I cannot reasonably suspect you but man what does "given everything" mean in terms of your read on Thunal?

How did Scotty TMI TS town? You haven't said ANYTHING about this out loud yesterday
You can. Just because Robyn whispers sweet nothings into your ear doesn’t mean they’re infallible.

He showed up today to try and make a fake casing of Michelle spew, and is still just hiding behind yalls shadow. I don’t know how you can’t see it.

robyn's opinions on things matter the most to me because they are my top town and if Bereft is mafia, I take 0 blame for the loss of this game

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:52 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:29 am The hider gets the person they hid behind killed if they are targeted right?
Thats the impression I got when I read the roles.

that isn't how hiding always works

the only other thing I can think of is the mafia just not deciding night actions on anyone for the night phase, which shows apathy, which to me doesn't make a lot of sense, but it would make LoRab scum if that's the case, but again, idt it makes sense even with the low posters

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:57 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:38 pm I am not sure I am a fan of scotty going quiet under this much pressure
Oh give me a break, I’ve been under pressure all game basically. That doesn’t phase me.

I’m a truck stop right now. And am only a page behind but seeing Cape/robyn and the third wheel bereft voting me is just *chefs’s kiss*

I’m feeling pretty good at this point that even with my death you’ll learn a lot

but you obviously want us to kill wolf here if you are town right? Like that's the objective of town here yes?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:40 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:51 am
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:55 am Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.

I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.

Town

Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.

Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.

Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol

Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):

Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.

I have no clue:

T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.

And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.

I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.

I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.
I will say I don't think S~V~S/LoRab are w/w because of this particular comment

Other then that, this list is very... whatever and generic
That was my initial thought, but I'm kind of going back on it. I think whatever code SVS has for not killing people who are busy irl would apply regardless of the other person's alignment. I don't think it's teammate indicative, but I don't think it prevents them from being teamed.

technically, nothing prevents anyone from being teamed with one another. I find it unlikely for another reason and that reason is LoRab hasn't come back since when I feel like that would happen if both were wolves because of this comment. But that's also me giga braining something

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:39 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:39 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:00 pm The lack of NK is concerning ....

Like its technically possible that the shot went off and went nowhere but I have reasons to doubt this.
8-3

if I take robyn/you/rondo as town'

I am left looking at

4 town and 3 mafia

i kind of think DrWilgy and SVS are town

2 town 3 mafia

I have a feeling that is contained within the following names

Princess Abigail
DarlingMonroe
LoRab
Scotty
Thunal

Given the SVS voters I feel kind of okay with this
How the fuck... is this worldview real...

If SVS is town how the FUCK am i a wolf

...
you know, I wasn't considering that when i threw this together, but i think ur right, also I have reason to believe u are just town. So I guess just put you as town in the world where SVS is town unless you really go through the self voting charade as wolf which, honestly kinda doubt.

If SVS is mafia, I reconsider... also thinking about it, I think ur town regardless just because of a few things you said despite being a sussy baka otherwise

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.
I think Robyn is town. They are not doing their usual town leader thing, trying to force the thread into submission thing they usually do, but I would guess it's hard to compete with you (no shade meant here, just the facts). They also said they were switching it up in the beginning of the game. Also somethings they said early into Day 2 led me to think they were town.

Bereft, I would like to think is town although I have seen him other places, it was mainly in Severance where he affected a unique posting style, so I have no real baseline for his game. His tone seems to have changed from earlier; he started out mildly curmudgeony, now it's a bit more pronounced~ his avatar befits his tone. I would say solely based on tone and content, he's a null for me, BUT, not unlike Robyn, he made a few posts earlier that led me to possibly lean town.

To your other "SVS hasn't updated reads" I've been in abd out of here much of the day cold reading, but I was exhausted from yesterday and had to take a nap. Ill be here till pretty much EOD, and will try to comply.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:50 pm If I had to say my four biggest pings right now are:

SVS
Michelle
Bereft
LoRob/PrincessA.
So you've said earlier, can you explain why? Thanks!

I was townreading the Bereft section here though from day 2

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:55 am Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.

I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.

Town

Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.

Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.

Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol

Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):

Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.

I have no clue:

T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.

And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.

I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.

I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.

I will say I don't think S~V~S/LoRab are w/w because of this particular comment

Other then that, this list is very... whatever and generic

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:27 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:08 pm @S~V~S vote ts account ty
Well, I absolutely don't want to yeet Abbi. So it works for me.

I 've only skimmed his ISO, but I'll trust you here and I'll read him now.

[VOTE: t's] aubergine

SVS saying this but never giving a definitive read on TS is not a good look

Reading back on Wilgy he feels pure to me

if only it was 2 mafia because if it was, I could just ask to ignore LoRab and save that for last, we would probably know AFK mafia, but IDK with 3

I will say this SVS/DrWilgy/Thunal33 is 2-3 town based on my gut feeling

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:00 pm The lack of NK is concerning ....

Like its technically possible that the shot went off and went nowhere but I have reasons to doubt this.

8-3

if I take robyn/you/rondo as town'

I am left looking at

4 town and 3 mafia

i kind of think DrWilgy and SVS are town

2 town 3 mafia

I have a feeling that is contained within the following names

Princess Abigail
DarlingMonroe
LoRab
Scotty
Thunal

Given the SVS voters I feel kind of okay with this

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:05 pm the scotty votes are so icky

too bad ur wolf team is falling apart isn't it

nobody is listening to you trying to paint the blame on townies

this is my confbias anime arc

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:53 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:52 pm Colin Hughes - Spends most of the series hiding who he really is from his teammates. Hides behind another player once a night.
What about this role?

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lemme tell you a thing that I think you know and you are trying to be nonchalant about
Okay so check the rolelist. Ted Lasso is a protective role this game, the only... town one (there is the trio mafia person who has a protect). JJJ was Ted Lasso

So looking back at how the day started off. You notice there was NO kill? What could have possibly happened?
Bada Bing Bada Boom the only way for mafia didn't kill anyone if if they targeted the role YOU are questioning here.

I mean if you were town, you would obviously be at least curious about this nobody dying thing and probably look into it for yourself. I did that, I was like "oh" and I carried on with my day.

That is why I heavily question the reaction you gave here. Mafia KNOW EXACTLY who this mysterious Colin guy is I would assume with absolute confidence because that's the person they tried killing last night.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:58 pm I quite frankly have no clue of DM's alignment at this stage of the game. Sorry but that's what happens the inactive guy that everyone just assumes has to be a part of the team, flips.

I similarly have no clue of what LoRab's alignment. That their slot continues to exist with any reasonable conclusions on the slot is worrying.

If you believe that it was obvious that Mich/LoRab was v/w, then you should probably state your reasoning as such.

What does DM's alignment have to do with TS' flip?

How is LoRab existing worrying to you? OFC they wont die unless we vote them out since they haven't been here since day 1. Saying that aspect is "worrying" is making me WORRY about YOU.

Check Michelle's logs, like Michelle was either in complete antispew on that slot or they are w/w. If LoRab is town, I have already brought this up day 3 ago

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:52 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:24 pm wait, so no night kill?

also at least one wolf in: Bereft, Cape, Robyn or Thunal.

They are the only ones who voted to lynch town twice: seanzie and ts account,
It is unfortunate that I quite literally don't see any way that I can reasonably suspect Robyn.

I apologize for my lack of a case at this current moment.

By extension, I also cannot reasonably suspect Cape.

I can reasonably suspect Thunal, but I'd still be hesitant to, given everything.

I believe that today we should try to figure out just what has been going on this game. I think it is pro-ev for town to do so, and will decrease general confusion.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:54 pm I will vote Scotty in the meantime for no reason other than that I think the Scotty probably tmi'ed ts town but was otherwise the biggest wolf agenda pusher besides robyn, who I unfortunately have no reason to suspect like I have already stated. My opinion on Scotty may change given what I read.

I know I cannot reasonably suspect you but man what does "given everything" mean in terms of your read on Thunal?

How did Scotty TMI TS town? You haven't said ANYTHING about this out loud yesterday

okay enough procrastinating on college

yay me

+thunal just has more town points IMO

despite all the spew JJJ left on thunal which makes me not wanna push there

might be scotty/thunal

will be inactive next couple of days. Kinda just think it's Scotty but I want to reread stuff before voting

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:41 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:40 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:07 pm Instead of relying on smokescreens and misdirection, how about you actually play a real game of Mafia and explain why you're town and why your thought process on Michelle was genuine and not just an attempt to deepwolf?
I haven't been here long, I'm not dead set on anything. But your behavior is super wolfy and I want to lynch you for it
This is a huge red flag post for me
i request elaboration

Okay I just dislike them just kind of threatening to vote here as like a gesture, they also claim not to be "dead set on anything".

My guy isn't going by a motto I learned "shooters shoot"

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:07 pm Instead of relying on smokescreens and misdirection, how about you actually play a real game of Mafia and explain why you're town and why your thought process on Michelle was genuine and not just an attempt to deepwolf?
I haven't been here long, I'm not dead set on anything. But your behavior is super wolfy and I want to lynch you for it

This is a huge red flag post for me

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:30 pm Time to sit through 30 mins of dadv

Any more info anyone wants from me before ignoring it and following JJJ's poe anyway?

do you hold any suspicion for rondo?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:05 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:03 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:45 pm yuck, 7 on wagon. I want a counter wagon @robyn
No counter wagon is blatant, I agree

I've bullied wolf partners into power wolfing with me befor, I'd do it again
on the one hand I could vote SVS and get a counter wagon gonig

On the other hand I could vote TS and get the wolf cred

Choices choices

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:59 pm TS you're pretty much outed wolf for me now. Youve done a valiant defense. Now if you could tell us the wolf team while you die Id appreciate it <3

rondo are you scum?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:06 pm I’ll be home shortly to vote etc although I’ve given up on catching up.
Holy Fuck T's.

Nice cut job. WTF?

lol

sorry ab out the brief absence but here for EOD

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:02 pm I've noticed a pattern of ts account going along with people easily. I told him to read my ISO so he did as soon as he could. Robyn vetoed the Abi chop and ts account immediately went along with it. I don't think it's necessarily wolfy from him but I'd like some insight on him doing this from people who actually know him.

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

yknow I have found that wolfy

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:16 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 pm I don't think Scotty/Cape are teamed anymore btw, and even when I made the read I knew it was low probability. I just nailed a w/w pair from d1 distancing in my last town game so I got excited when I had the thought.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:03 pm @Thunal33, I had the same thought that Cape's quick flurry of anti-Scotty propaganda might be more about getting out of trouble than actually suspecting Scotty. However, he made some points I thought were legitimately compelling too.
I think subscribing to Thunal's logic is silly, like why would I not only feel the need to get pressure off myself but also bus at the same time? Like to me that's a pretty bad mafia play unless I was gonna play exactly like ilario or something from my mafia team of Severance that u hosted. But you also said you dont in like another post. Generally I am anti bus early on, like I would vaguely sus my maf partners verbally if they were sussing me and if the thread direction was really going that way, then i might succumb. Like I didnt have a good voting record in my recent scum game here.

I felt kinda strange about ur dynamic with me/Scotty and how hard you shifted into me all of the sudden being scum from your light town reads. Felt like you were building specifically scumreads off consensus
I think Cape straight up calling my logic silly is unpairing with Scotty. It's easier to be dismissive when you know it's wrong.
I would like this post to be genuine but I just can't accept it yet

like I can totally see a towny with this character arc but I just don't think thunal is that character yet
some more insight would be nice

I also struggle to reconcile the flipped perspective on scotty without any interaction with scotty themselves whatsoever. That's just ??? even if town, makes the slot way harder to solve
I will think on it tho

Yeah that's kinda where I have been at on Thunal, like I think they say towny things, but they are also things that I wouldn't say are like... bombshells of towniness

Like I kinda liked Thunal just calling Abi town just off the AtE she has been spewing on like... a fundamental gut level. And Thunal has kinda done this thing where they have just kinda stood up for people which is kinda towny too

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:37 pm It's the end of the semester for me and I have a lot due tomorrow, so I really don't have much time for the game today.

i feel u

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:27 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:10 pm i'm almost certainly getting NKed here lol
No worries Cape will be town leader tomorrow. But I am not sure why they are voting for Neon you might need to deal with that before you go

yeah when i have finals i will be town leader

mafia plz kill me

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:24 pm Current reads list:

Town:
Lorab
Robyn
Cape
Wilgy

Light town:
ts account
DM (only slightly)

Light scum:
SVS
Thunal
Bereft

Scum:
Rondo
Abbi

why do you havt ts account as light town here?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:41 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:31 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:29 pm I can not make this any clearer
And here
[VOTE: Abbi] aubergine

How bout this. We vote you out and see if you are just making things up.

Or if someone else can clear this up because I’m not getting the sudden revelation at end of day on gunning for Michelle over lorab, who as far as I know is still in the swamps of Dagobah

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:29 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:01 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:53 am ‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.
and this:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here
During that period, Michelle made these posts:

Spoiler: show
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
Spoiler: show

Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:06 am @Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time
I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:34 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:21 pm

Explain
You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.
I had traction for low activity.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:01 pm @Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm You force me to self press on Sean
This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.
EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.
I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.
Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 pm I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.
I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything
Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.
Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:53 pm [VOTE: Bereft] aubergine
Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:14 pm I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:18 pm I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:20 pm There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.
Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:28 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me
Can you say it again?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
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You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:54 pm I am brain sleeping

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:53 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?
It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.
Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).
does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?
So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:04 pm Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you
And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here
was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:28 pm I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you
Abigail do you have any real reads?
i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.
This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.
Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine
I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.
Crazy thought

Something changed my mind

Crazier thought

I wonder what it could possibly be when I told JJJ this...

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:30 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:29 pm Can't

No time

Bye

You know what? I missed this entirely

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:27 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:26 pm Michele is a wolf I'd bet big dollars on it in fact you can kill me if I'm wrong

Call it the vibes
Was there something in particular that triggered your confidence?
Yes

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:58 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:26 am robyn

Rondo

Bereft
DrWilgy

DM

SVS
Thunal33
LoRab

Scotty
ts account

Princess Abigail

@Cape90 what's your argument for Princess being wolf? sorry if I missed it

been gone for a while so you might have seen but I will link it for you #2810

robyn

Rondo

Bereft
DrWilgy

DM

SVS
Thunal33
LoRab

Scotty
ts account

Princess Abigail

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:38 am My only problem with cape is that they've been the only one to say hey this guys towny and that could be an easy pocket since I am an easy pocket
However I don't care because it's helping me lynch a suspicious sushi

1. I wouldn't say you are towny, I just pointed out a thing you said as towny, I also saw you go towards a JJJ thing on Abigail that I liked because I was also curious about the same thing on Abby, refer to my wallpost beginning of the day.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:45 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:31 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:20 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:18 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:14 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:05 pm

you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam
See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?
I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day
Even if I chopped you and you were town, I wouldnt care. Because youve done nothing all game and came in trying to act all casual like you havent just no voted for 2 day phases in a row. How do you think I should treat your slot? Do you not deserve some scrunity?

Its so easy to claim I am wrong but you know who else claimed I was wrong? Michelle.
No, I don't deserve any scrutiny
I should say "hello, I forgot about the game, but I remembered now" and we should move on from there
but you're stuck on it for some reason
you gotta let go of the past, maaaaan
I'm glad you're smart enough to come up with the argument that calling myself town is NAI, maaaaan
Ok, let’s start here:

Why should we town read you?
I'm firmly, 100%, inarguably in my town meta
and while my presence today isn't stellar or anything, it's still good enough that anyone actually trying to solve me should find a towny

2. You literally said this yourself my guy

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:14 am
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Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:01 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:53 am ‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.
and this:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here
During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
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You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:06 am @Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time
I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:34 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:21 pm

Explain
You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.
I had traction for low activity.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:01 pm @Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm You force me to self press on Sean
This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.
EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.
I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.
Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 pm I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.
I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything
Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.
Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:53 pm [VOTE: Bereft] aubergine
Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:14 pm I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:18 pm I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:20 pm There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.
Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:28 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me
Can you say it again?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:54 pm I am brain sleeping

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:53 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?
It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.
Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).
does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?
So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:04 pm Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you
And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here
was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:28 pm I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you
Abigail do you have any real reads?
i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.
This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.
Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine
I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.
It's confusing but Abi can be confusing and chaotic as town so I don't think sudden 180s are a bad thing for her. Although I don't know what changed her mind. Imo, the fact that she had more of a hand in killing Michelle yesterday out of anyone not named JJJ and she didn't have to makes me feel pretty good about her.

yeah for some reason, especially with Michelle's side combined, it almost feels too straightforward. But I would still like Abigail's response (though I also worry it probably won't be much help too)

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:11 am okay so

ts account/svs/abbie

who are we chopping? idrc but i'd prefer ts into svs into abbie

I'm in the camp of Abigail > TS > SVS personally as of right now. I think SVS had more towny patches then any of the other 2 which is why I say that

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:04 am [VOTE: Cape ] aubergine

what is your impression of Abigail's really sloppy Michelle progression?

Abigail also called me suspicious for being sloppy with my reads day 1

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:28 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:14 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:05 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:23 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:16 pm

so wait.. let me get this straight. Me who has been helping provide content > wolf scum 100%

Slots that you have forgotten that are even in the game - town?

lol
More like out of sight out of mind- I had already townleaned them and weren’t a part of my poe
how does that make sense? You TOWN READ a 0 poster on 0 content.

this just makes no sense
you say it makes no sense, but their read was more accurate than yours so idk fam
See this is just wolf sus, how do you know how accurate I am? You havent even been here.

Also I have 100% accuracy. I have voted a wolf EOD every day. What have you been doing?
I said "hello" and you were immediately on my butt. In other words, you've immediately been wrong all day
[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

Ok look

I’m not getting a strong vibe of someone that is trying to find a pulse on the game. You seem like you’re making a strong effort to appear laissez-faire, agreeing with takes seemingly out of the blue. It’s like that dude that just entered the room from the other department and a few people are laughing at the end of a joke, and you sidle up laughing too, going ‘yeah, crazy right?’

Could be a stylistic difference, but the approach doesn’t feel right to me

Cool, you are way better at wording my issue there then I am bravo

But I'd rather push someone for concrete things rather then a "i think this could be a stylistic difference" type of thing

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:48 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:43 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:13 pm
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Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:45 pm Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)
Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).
I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked
ngl I was getting kinda nervous about my vote when I saw that Michelle wasn't giving up

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:28 pm I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you
Abigail do you have any real reads?
Like saying this last minute is usually uncharacteristic for mafia, not too sure what it means for Abigail, but yeah
It does read like last minute distancing

in context with Abigail's ISO I agree and think she should be pushed here

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm Just under 12 hours elapsed between this:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:53 am ‪Michelle‬

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.
and this:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here
During that period, Michelle made these posts:

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:06 am @Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time
I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:34 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm

Not town
I concur
Explain
You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.
I had traction for low activity.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:01 pm @Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm You force me to self press on Sean
This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.
EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:26 pm

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying
I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.
I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.
Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 pm I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.
I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:00 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
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You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything
Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.
Thanks!

Time for a few Isos now

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:53 pm [VOTE: Bereft] aubergine
Why?.

Oh nvm, i wouldn't understand it -.-

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:14 pm I opened SVSs Iso and she has 50 posts, it will take some time.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:18 pm I was afk all day.

Not voting now doesn't mean I will not vote at all.

I know who I am not voting, but I will read at least SVSs Iso before voting.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:20 pm There's something i noticed but i wait to see if i am the only one

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.
Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:28 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm yeah, bereft/michelle/lorab/svs is where I am at for wolves

and it seems town has gotten it together with votes on all of them... and them not voting for each other or for townies is what is convincing me
Can you say it again?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
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You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, robyn, Thunal33, Michelle
‪Michelle‬
1
9%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy
Total votes: 11

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:54 pm I am brain sleeping

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:53 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm Jay i noticed the fact Darling was pocketing you and you said nothing, that means you are convinced he is a villager but I am confused by their solve.

I know you made a wall where you said they're pure
That comes from a meta read?
It's only barely a meta read in that this is her second game on the site. I hosted the first. She should be interpreted through that lens -- a brand new mafia player. I just think she looks real.
Second game with no other experience of forum mafia/other social deduction games?

I was hoping I wouldn't check on this and find virtually no new Michelle material to explain Abigail's change of heart. However, there is a ton of material, so it's conceivable for that to have been legitimate. Some of Michelle's most important material came during the appropriate window (e.g., suspecting and voting LoRab).
does anyone know what the relationship between michelle+abigail+lorab is?
So far I have abigail flipflopping on michelle and lorab being spewed clear
are there any other relationships here that could paint a clearer picture?

So you see what JJJ highlighted there?

Yeah that's about the progression Princess Abigail went on in terms Michelle, she only had a change of heart like... last second without explanation

What I find really odd is PA saying this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:04 pm Please make a valid CW before EoD I beg you

And this is 1. when Michelle was a wagon 2. while Abigail was "townreading" Michelle from her list

and this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here

was a few posts after the counterwagon one in a very very short span of time, like I am extremely confused there

for you pointing this out +1 townpoint [VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

thank you for your service

Anywho

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:28 pm I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you
Abigail do you have any real reads?

i think this is attempted spew from Michelle's end

What makes me think that is

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

This was a SNIPPET of a post contained in a larger post

The ONLY other post Michelle mentioned Abigail on and with this said, Michelle made no effort to sort her even with this "concern".

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?
I still think that mafia wouldn't think about all that when making the read on JJJ's post, because it felt like you were really thinking about it and it's the kind of read mafia would make a snap take of and not think about it more.

I voted LoRab then because I didn't want you or SVS voted. I feel like by PoE LoRab is fairly likely to hit and she did have a couple pings.
Now reading the Iso I agree with the wagon on Lorab

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm I opened that Iso, read some starting fluff and my eyes are too tired to continue. I will take a nap until closer to Eod.

I have a general feeling of the game, I wouldn't vote today any of Robyn/Jay/cape/bereft/thunal/Scotty/wilgy not ordered

At the opposite part of the reads list, Lorab is in my immediate Poe.

The rest, until I understand their mindset, are in the null part of the list.

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I think all of these show Michelle paying special care and attention to LoRab day 2 and I could see where the argument LoRab is spewed from this comes from

LoRab has been MIA since day 1 unfortunately and neither of them talked about one another then, I hope LoRab is okay.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:22 pm Can someone please match and diffuse Rondo's negative energy? They're kind of bullyish and I don't really want them having a town leader voice, which it seems they're trying to wrest out of ego based on some recent comments

Guess what JJJ was doing yesterday?

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:52 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:39 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:36 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:31 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:02 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:17 am Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum
I like my wall part on Bereft so I do want to redirect you to that
Read it. In a vacuum, I see his town equity, but that’s why I think he is a good deep wolf candidate. Everything he’s done is easily possible to do as a wolf.
I do agree, but as robyn is my top townread at the moment, I do put stock into their opinion there. I just wanted to redirect you there because you mentioned not remembering his posts
valid
Thanks peanut gallery
it's the exact same reasoning I have, so that makes it +town EV

Mmm, I kinda think this is towny

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:43 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:13 pm
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Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:45 pm Looking at LoRab voters: (Hopefully stuff formats correctly)

Bereft:

I think Bereft's read on Scotty/LoRab is actually kind of towny and the world he presented with them and the strong language he used to make his argument #2496/#2517. All this despite his resistance to the Michelle wagon which to me kind of read as scummy #2476/#2477. But like even that is kinda towny on virtue of being this sort of stream of consciousness type of way. I like his confidence on his Rondo townread also.
Sidenote: I was getting kind of worried about Rondo just powerwolfing based on the pushes that he's done earlier, but have felt better about Rondo as he started talking more throughout the day, like for me, my thinking on Rondo went from "he's town" to "eh, like he could just be trying to eliminate towns through pushing whatever" back to "he's town" in short.
I kind of think #2342 was weak on a gut level.
Also Bereft saying the current wagons are bad but then suggesting ts account as a top wolf was funny to me (#2335) with the linked 2342, which is part of the reason why I have my issues with Bereft to be completely honest. Though I will say I don't mind the notion that Scotty could be mafia.
I think beyond this point, I do not really get like a whole lot out of Bereft's day 2, but I am in the zone of thinking he believes what he says which to me is a good look even with my said qualms there.

DarlingMonroe:

Despite seemingly also suspecting Michelle, DarlingMonroe was on LoRab. DM was also voting/tinfoiling Bereft which I find interesting... probably slightly towny. I randomly like #2191 even though I am also left a tad confused by it, but it does show a confidence in their own words. #2167 sort of pinged me when it came to Bereft, like in the sort of way where DarlingMonroe was pushing Bereft on the virtue that he is a strong player. On top of that if his thought processes throughout the game come across in the same exact way as Thunal's, wouldn't this be a cause for concern for DarlingMonroe?
#2166 I am also slightly concerned about because is seems like DM is calling Princess Abigail town only because she didn't ping them as much as the other four DM listed, which isn't really a real read on Princess Abigail.

OKAY I HAVE A POSSIBLY SILLY QUESTION
In #2127 DarlingMonroe says "And I understand LoRab is busy IRL..." right? So is this a scumslip? I mean you could maybe assume as much from them not showing up to the thread, but they haven't completely said outright that they were busy IRL directly so maybe they got the hear from LoRab from... somewhere else? Dun dun dun.
IDK if I actually believe that.
Uh.
Anyways...
#2103 points out all the no voters that were not voting day 2 in a... lateish stage. Also if S~V~S is actually mafia, DarlingMonroe is ALWAYS just town for #849.
Thinking lightly town just off last game when they were town were basically not voted off because of their PR claim, despite honestly not being all that towny (this is from the perspective of me being mafia though). Also I saw more OMGUS going on with her in her previous towngame which idk if that's like a reliable thing.

SIDENOTE: #2151 from S~V~S seems sketchy to me, though they voted Michelle.

Scotty:

The completely cursed slot himself, making hard to dechipher posts. Kinda found what he was trying to communicate from what I deciphered to be just kind of in the zone of "blendy okayness" IE: #2178 him questioning Thunal here I believe.
I'm guessing the curse is a thing that could be for anything, I think if Michelle flipped villager, this is exactly where I think mafia would be, but now with the flip, I am not so sure. Like I am sure scotty could maybe talk them out of sus better then Michelle, but it could also mean that Scotty is a mafia PR more powerful then Michelle, like maybe a Rupert...
Scotty did start day 2 by voting Michelle.
Going back to day 1 #1046 pinged me, especially if niche=michelle idk. Like mafia would talk to their partners in that way in a freak outty type of way. I find it rather sloppy also that Scotty asked about why people thought Seanzie was a hit, then to tell people to go on Seanzie because he trusted the wagon composition there more then Michelle wagon (comprised of Rondo/Neon/JJJ/DrWilgy, who ALL VOTED MICHELLE DAY 2 AS WELL) (PS: Thanks Rondo for that spreadsheet thing). ALSO #738 this aside is actually really scummy because it goes against his snap decision that "oh kill Seanzie because I like wagon comp on there" thing that he talked about, like ew.
Do not feel so great about #893 just in retrospect and the halphazard Michelle townread he slapped at the end here. Had LC and DM as mafia at the time, insert bad WIFOMy read that Scotty doesn't kill LC because of this.
I feel like if Scotty is mafia, I kinda feel like they might have misused the curse thing because it feels more right to let Scotty talk himself out of being sussed as mafia and to give Michelle the cursed thing? I cannot help but to have that little voice in my head that says that, but I do find Scotty suspicious otherwise for this and already said day 1 reasons. I just hope he can actually communicate today and maybe point to important points he made day 2 or whatever that he wants to be clear, if this is an all game thing, oh boy.

Thunal33:

Thunal kept defending Michelle... interestingly, but I don't think it's outing for reasons. Mostly with how much detail Thunal was putting into continuously talking about Michelle.
Thunal talked about how town is controlling the thread even though they have also talked about not liking the wagons being like 2/2/2 at the time.
I believe the talking that was going on with Princess Abigail is not w/w with Abigail. #2015 is kinda a lame defense of Michelle if you actually read what Michelle is saying there, which I have my doubts that Thunal really did there...
I like Thunal in the #1737 chain of confidence here in terms of their robyn read.
Overall I could see this as wolf, but I am not super convinced for reasons. Like I see Abigail's readslist, then subsequent vote on Michelle and just thinking of those 2 things, like I would have to check back and see what Abigail did in that span of time in developing her read on Michelle if that happened but it does raise concerns just because I don't remember things.

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Which kinda transitions into I think some funny business might be happening with the wagons. As I pointed out earlier, day 1 had 4 people on the Michelle wagon, and those SAME 4 people are also there day 2, Rondo almost wasn't. Which just seems oddly consistent to me. And LoRab is certainly not towny which makes me question things. I certainly like the names on Michelle technically more then LoRab, my only decent TR on there is Bereft, and those aren't as strong as robyn/JJJ/Rondo on the Michelle wagon so that could also be a sign. Uh yeah wanted to check Abigail specifically next because if there was a bus there, it's like I would likely look there first or S~V~S on like an off chance it's DrWilgy (i feel like i have paid the least attention to Wilgy to be honest so it would probably be fine to check here after Abigail even though my gut says I TR him). This is some food for thought, I am busy tonight, finals week is so much fun!

Holy anal sis wall bat man !

Another day another Cape suspicion

RE: me - yesterday was almost a wash for me, and I have to agree with you, because even I felt blendy in the most unblendy way possible. It was truly *exhausting* to post, and it definitely reflected in my contributions. As a voyeur, not only was I behind, but even if people were able to get through my bullshit, it wasn’t worth the effort to try and clarify bits and pieces. JJJ only got maybe a fraction of what I was saying so my posts were more frustration than solving, so me pointing to specific points today is probably more PTSD because I don’t even want to look at that shit again.

RE: my Seanzie vote- I don’t remember pitching people to vote Seanzie, I just hopped on in the last bit with a split decision to vote him because you/robyn/JJJ were voting there. DESPITE the fact that I definitely was advocating against it to (Jjj?) earlier. It was more of a unifying vote as opposed to stray, ya feel?

Here’s a summary of my Day 2 in my head:
I was settled on Michelle as the counter wagon for almost the entire day, then I started getting cold feett with the big talkers basically controlling the thread and bereft was the one that just seemed like he was on the outside, keeping his vote open, being *there* but I couldn’t pinpoint him as leading any charges. It was the most blendy high posting job of this garm, and a part of me was thinking both Lorab and Michelle were just t/t.

I was able to come in the last 10 min to see a movement on Lorab/michelle. I don’t even know what the count was, but it seemed like there was some squirrelly shit happening with others trying to launch away from Michelle. And I picked wrong! Again!

I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

I wanna start cleaning people,and her wagon forming against Michele screams patsy (yes I know I voted there)
Anything from day 2 you felt like highlighting specifically from one of your messages?
Yeah you advocated against it to JJJ, you are correct there.
Like for me, I don't really think in terms of wagon purity when I am making suggestions for pushes personally but I know that's a me thing. I know town can just "be wrong" as we were, idk why I didn't vote Michelle other then I didn't wanna tie the wagons, but I should have in retrospect just because I didn't feel her logs that EOD were towny like (Thunal?) said they were.

So you did townread LoRab? You communicated to JJJ that you didn't with the all caps thing.

I wouldn't say LoRab is cleared unless you think most of the scum is contained in my start of day wall post, at least I would assume. Especially given your stance on Seanzie's wagon day 1 you would be on the same page as me which is why I wrote about every single one of you (though Thunal's was admittedly a kinda rush job, but I also was struggling writing what to say more I guess).
I didn’t have a towny read but the tinfoil part of me was thinking lorab v Michelle was a setup job and bereft was hanging in the background.

I think my opinion of Seanzie is currently clustered around thinking rondo was trying to save Michelle. If rondo were confirmed town, I think I’d be more in line with looking at things in a different light.

And eh, maybe lorab IS the big boss mafia. My gut read based on wagons shifting so often make me feel like there was a save attempt on Michelle onto Lorab that almost worked

ngl I was getting kinda nervous about my vote when I saw that Michelle wasn't giving up

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:30 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:28 pm I literally can not express to you enough that you should vote Michelle ffs I'm begging you
Abigail do you have any real reads?

Like saying this last minute is usually uncharacteristic for mafia, not too sure what it means for Abigail, but yeah

The fact that ts account is playing as if it is day 1 and just trying to real time solve is kinda bothering me at this stage of the game and I wonder if it's a playstyle thing or if this is him trying to blend in?

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