Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[robyn]

Rondo does not care about the roof.

What?

JJJ / Thunal / Scotty + 1

if I have to remove cape. Id still rather cape but I get why Robyn wants it removed.

That leaves on in SVs/DM/TS

jjj/scotty unaligned though

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Michele is a wolf I'd bet big dollars on it in fact you can kill me if I'm wrong

Call it the vibes

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

then vote

[VOTE: Neon ] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I won't be back but seriously kill Michelle

Kill me if I'm wrong

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey


We should really REALLY kill michelle here

then vote

[VOTE: Neon ] aubergine

I'm on Michelle

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michele is a wolf I'd bet big dollars on it in fact you can kill me if I'm wrong

Call it the vibes

Was there something in particular that triggered your confidence?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Won't be back before EoD

Kill this pls

[robyn]

Objectively it is correct to kill Michelle here. Because Michelle is the counter wagon. We get the most information from voters. JJJ is going for NOT the counter wagon and another low poster. Lorab could be wolf. But I read them as town. So I can only see the push as another attempt to get one closer to lylo

game theory + counter wagon etc etc yeah

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Michele is a wolf I'd bet big dollars on it in fact you can kill me if I'm wrong

Call it the vibes

Was there something in particular that triggered your confidence?

Yes

[RondoDimBuckle]

Won't be back before EoD

Kill this pls

well...

look at me with egg on my face...

[VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michele is a wolf I'd bet big dollars on it in fact you can kill me if I'm wrong

Call it the vibes

Was there something in particular that triggered your confidence?

Yes

Thanks. I'll let you decide if you want to expand further. I know you're headed out.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can't

No time

Bye

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm right though

[RondoDimBuckle]

see this just makes me feel better about Neon. But mainly because neon was pushing exactly my solve yesterday before I outed it. (I made the solve before Neon entered thread)

[Bereft]

I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

robyn is probably technically the towniest person here, I have liked their solving and they have not pinged me, I was kinda offput day 1 by them just playing differently in general, but they are playing in the best interest of town today IMO

Being a person who has wolfcased Bereft correctly Bereft once, doesn't feel like his wolf game and I also think...

Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

this sort of self-righteousness is towny to me

I think Bereft's dynamic with robyn is probably towny unless w/w which I honestly highly doubt because of how on the nose they have been supporting each other

Did you wolfcase me correctly in the game where shadow bussed me D1? Like, I don't get correctly wolfcased ever.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I say pushing but it was more. she was saying yuck to the same things I was thinking

[RondoDimBuckle]

See the thing I hate most about the poll right now. Is the fact that lowrab only exists in counter to michelle because JJJ drummed it up. Same with Seanzie yesterday

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:30 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
1
8%
Voters: Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
4
31%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Michelle, robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
4
31%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
8%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
23%
Voters: Bereft, fingersplints, Roxy
Total votes: 13

[Bereft]

However, if there's mafia deep in my town reads, Bereft might be more logical. I've liked his posts for vaguer reasons, and he is so easy to attach to certain suspects like S~V~S. robyn could just be wrong about him. God reads are junk.

flip the poe whatever which way, but i'm explicitly telling you that cape and bereft are town, otherwise i'm amendable

scotty and wigly suspecting bereft gives me goosebumps

Wilgy reads none of my posts, Scotty's just pushing agenda. Or at least my confbiased gut tells me thats how to look at it.

Like if you are a player with any nontrivial amount of experience and pay attention to the game, you simply do not push me here. Its suicidal from town POV to be blunt.

[RondoDimBuckle]

to be clear. I am not against a counter wagon. In fact I love them. But usually It is because group A says person B is bad and group Y says person Z is bad. This is just....

[Bereft]

I like SVS's re entrance. A lack of self-pres and I actually like that she's not pushing anywhere and doesn't have scumreads since her chances of survival are higher if she made a push.

this game feels hard again

What's the typical dynamic (or describe one instance) when you're town and Bereft is not?

fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

Why tf are you dissing my wolfgame again.

[robyn]

fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

I did some quick CTRL+Fs of both of these.

robyn town/Bereft mafia --> robyn's initial read was backwards before eventually (and abruptly) shifting to correct. Did not die until cycle 6, Bereft until cycle 7

Bereft town/robyn mafia --> Bereft's read wrong for first three cycles at least. robyn eliminated day 4 (no Bereft vote) and Bereft day 6

How do each of you reconcile this? It doesn't exactly suggest reliable reads.

i fake claimed pr for an entire cycle and d2 chop was a 0 poster essentially, he was gonna reevaluate me but yano pr claim and all, and we weren't nearly as close in tacky matrix game, approx 40k dms between that game and this one

at the start of this game i told him to solve without actually saying it explicitly, so he'd be the only person who understood me, smth smth not for cred but it's relevant now

[JaggedJimmyJay]

See the thing I hate most about the poll right now. Is the fact that lowrab only exists in counter to michelle because JJJ drummed it up. Same with Seanzie yesterday

Yes, they are both deep in my POE. Let there be no doubt that I have had a hand in both wagons.

I prefer Michelle as today's vote.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Maybe I am just looking too much into that. Maybe it doesnt matter, a counter wagon is a counter wagon. the choices are still worth reading.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i fake claimed pr for an entire cycle and d2 chop was a 0 poster essentially, he was gonna reevaluate me but yano pr claim and all, and we weren't nearly as close in tacky matrix game, approx 40k dms between that game and this one

at the start of this game i told him to solve without actually saying it explicitly, so he'd be the only person who understood me, smth smth not for cred but it's relevant now

Okay thanks. I will think about it.

BTW, Bereft posted over 300 times in that wolf game. That was over seven cycles, granted, but he certainly posted.

[robyn]

i fake claimed pr for an entire cycle and d2 chop was a 0 poster essentially, he was gonna reevaluate me but yano pr claim and all, and we weren't nearly as close in tacky matrix game, approx 40k dms between that game and this one

at the start of this game i told him to solve without actually saying it explicitly, so he'd be the only person who understood me, smth smth not for cred but it's relevant now

Okay thanks. I will think about it.

BTW, Bereft posted over 300 times in that wolf game. That was over seven cycles, granted, but he certainly posted.

no, read his d1 posts, take a few minutes

the biggest difference is in depth not count

[Bereft]

fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

I did some quick CTRL+Fs of both of these.

robyn town/Bereft mafia --> robyn's initial read was backwards before eventually (and abruptly) shifting to correct. Did not die until cycle 6, Bereft until cycle 7

Bereft town/robyn mafia --> Bereft's read wrong for first three cycles at least. robyn eliminated day 4 (no Bereft vote) and Bereft day 6

How do each of you reconcile this? It doesn't exactly suggest reliable reads.

Both of us knew the other wasn't playing well.
Not that we cared in the moment.

The key to good wolfplay is having good vibes and no substance, and while I'm not going to lie and say robyn has so much substantive, its way way qualitatively better than the wolfrands Ive seen from them.

And we actually both knew each other was town early EoD1 simply because of mutual interactions. Im not going to go into details but there's a subtle tit-for-tat that just neither of us pulls off as wolf.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe I am just looking too much into that. Maybe it doesnt matter, a counter wagon is a counter wagon. the choices are still worth reading.

The fun thing (maybe not right now for you, but in due time when we're all flipped and jolly and Christmaslike) is that this vintage Jay town. I tend to get my way. As mafia, "my way" is far more subtle and dictated by thread momentum around me. I don't create as mafia as much as I manipulate. As town, I mold the clay to form and live or die by the results.

This is likely meaningless to you, so ignore me if you like (I would understand). It's just the first time in a while a game has been like this for me, and I am arrogantly amused. I've been mafia too damned much lately.

[Bereft]

I also think the current wagons are crap.

[robyn]

I also think the current wagons are crap.

who would u go

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Both of us knew the other wasn't playing well.
Not that we cared in the moment.

The key to good wolfplay is having good vibes and no substance, and while I'm not going to lie and say robyn has so much substantive, its way way qualitatively better than the wolfrands Ive seen from them.

And we actually both knew each other was town early EoD1 simply because of mutual interactions. Im not going to go into details but there's a subtle tit-for-tat that just neither of us pulls off as wolf.

Thanks and duly noted. I've been monitoring that tit-for-tat all game long and generally I have vibed with it. I am just trying to be responsible about my town reads.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Maybe I am just looking too much into that. Maybe it doesnt matter, a counter wagon is a counter wagon. the choices are still worth reading.

The fun thing (maybe not right now for you, but in due time when we're all flipped and jolly and Christmaslike) is that this vintage Jay town. I tend to get my way. As mafia, "my way" is far more subtle and dictated by thread momentum around me. I don't create as mafia as much as I manipulate. As town, I mold the clay to form and live or die by the results.

This is likely meaningless to you, so ignore me if you like (I would understand). It's just the first time in a while a game has been like this for me, and I am arrogantly amused. I've been mafia too damned much lately.

Well there are too many low posters and no voters for me to ever get you over and it be +ev. If Michelle is wolf here I will just ride and die you town. But game is over already if you're wolf imho

[RondoDimBuckle]

Both of us knew the other wasn't playing well.
Not that we cared in the moment.

The key to good wolfplay is having good vibes and no substance, and while I'm not going to lie and say robyn has so much substantive, its way way qualitatively better than the wolfrands Ive seen from them.

And we actually both knew each other was town early EoD1 simply because of mutual interactions. Im not going to go into details but there's a subtle tit-for-tat that just neither of us pulls off as wolf.

Thanks and duly noted. I've been monitoring that tit-for-tat all game long and generally I have vibed with it. I am just trying to be responsible about my town reads.

A big reason I have left cape alone is because I vibe with bereft and Robyn from d1 and again today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A big reason I have left cape alone is because I vibe with bereft and Robyn from d1 and again today.

That's probably the right decision. I think I town read Cape more than those two.

[Bereft]

I also think the current wagons are crap.

who would u go

Ts/scotty/abigail but the thread would revolt.
I dont even know what I mean by thread would revolt.
But it would require coordination on town's end, ergo, the game's actually difficult because its impossible to get good wagons.

Like I don't mind voting LoRab, but as I said, they're completely inactive and its been exactly a dayphase.

If I had to entertain the alternative viewpoint, that is, the Mich/SVS/X/ts worldview, ehhhh. I don't know who the X would be, and that worries me.

[robyn]

i'll change any read except the cape/bereft townreads, those simply won't change, and i'm not wrong

jjj is near 100% town here for me rn

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also think the current wagons are crap.

who would u go

Ts/scotty/abigail but the thread would revolt.
I dont even know what I mean by thread would revolt.
But it would require coordination on town's end, ergo, the game's actually difficult because its impossible to get good wagons.

Like I don't mind voting LoRab, but as I said, they're completely inactive and its been exactly a dayphase.

If I had to entertain the alternative viewpoint, that is, the Mich/SVS/X/ts worldview, ehhhh. I don't know who the X would be, and that worries me.

Any reason LoRab can't be X?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think I have to give up my solve. The only person I have left as a scum read is thunal and that is just independant of JJJ and the janky stilted way they were in thread. I am going to have to re-read day1 againa and see if that was just me projecting onto JJJ (This is all preflipping Michelle wolf)

[robyn]

also jay, u were wrong, i didn't read squat about cape overnight lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

also jay, u were wrong, i didn't read squat about cape overnight lol

shhhhhh

[RondoDimBuckle]

if Michelle flips wolf I have no legacy.

[Bereft]

I also think the current wagons are crap.

who would u go

Ts/scotty/abigail but the thread would revolt.
I dont even know what I mean by thread would revolt.
But it would require coordination on town's end, ergo, the game's actually difficult because its impossible to get good wagons.

Like I don't mind voting LoRab, but as I said, they're completely inactive and its been exactly a dayphase.

If I had to entertain the alternative viewpoint, that is, the Mich/SVS/X/ts worldview, ehhhh. I don't know who the X would be, and that worries me.

Any reason LoRab can't be X?

Oh right, yeah it would have to be exactly that.

It does not comport with my view of the game, so it's never going to be my first instinct. I think Mich and SVS's posts have been sorely lacking but theyre also precisely the less active, and I don't really buy either as wolf on a gut level.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I hope Michelle is mafia. Most annoying universe will be "Jay's POE is good but Michelle is town", because her town flip would probably obliterate the game state incorrectly.

That likely applies to anyone in my POE going over.

[robyn]

thunal has existed and has scratched a part of my brain that i like getting scratched, same for jjj and bereft too, i am unsure if it's particularly ai because i am an expert at faking mindmelds myself

[RondoDimBuckle]

Actually, what would be really helpful to the game. Please everyone here do it:

If Michelle wolf:
who team? x3

If Michelle town:
who team x4?

Of those teams who is most likely to be playing as which are most likely to be which wolf?

[robyn]

thunal has existed and has scratched a part of my brain that i like getting scratched, same for jjj and bereft too, i am unsure if it's particularly ai because i am an expert at faking mindmelds myself

i want to take her as town basically

[JaggedJimmyJay]

thunal has existed and has scratched a part of my brain that i like getting scratched, same for jjj and bereft too, i am unsure if it's particularly ai because i am an expert at faking mindmelds myself

i want to take her as town basically

I want to. I'm not sure I am prepared to. I do run into some POE snags, I fear, if my team isn't just exactly right. Abigail has done enough to make me ask questions, and that kind of leaves the door open for Thunal.

[robyn]

Actually, what would be really helpful to the game. Please everyone here do it:

If Michelle wolf:
who team? x3

If Michelle town:
who team x4?

Of those teams who is most likely to be playing as which are most likely to be which wolf?

if michelle town then

abbie pretty much lockscum and powerwolfed eod here and thunal/jjj town as consequence

then it's like scotty

x/x

and well i'm already tr'ing jjj/thunal

[Bereft]

I still think that the current state is a. might lead to a v flip if people aren't too careful, and b. if a v flips, J³ dies, leaves a much much more $%#!ed game, because at that point, me/robyn/cape/thunal/rondo have to actually start block voting meaningfully. Even if we do get a w flip, J³ dies, we probably should be more cognizant about not encouraging chaos.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Actually, what would be really helpful to the game. Please everyone here do it:

If Michelle wolf:
who team? x3

If Michelle town:
who team x4?

Of those teams who is most likely to be playing as which are most likely to be which wolf?

A) [Michelle, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account]

B) [S~V~S, LoRab, ts account, Thunal]

Those are my first GTH instincts. B) is much harder for me to answer than A), and in either world I would consider plenty of alternatives.