The Syndicate

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:52 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:30 amI'm bored a f
Want to chit chat if you are still here?

I'm always watching. Wazowski.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:30 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:30 amI'm bored a f
truth or dare

Truth.

I'm bored a f

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:41 am i think my top towns rn are mac spf porscha neon boquise

You might be the only person TRing me lol

*holds up a sign that says I told you so*

Inb4 Neon has TMI

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:01 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:51 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:49 pm yeah sorry alison ur just not someone who would understand me if ur town
Then I'm just going to leave you as hard POE in my legacy because the way you make decisions is a liability even if you are town and I do not trust you in endgame at all.
Your really REALLY gonna hate me than
alison hates all gamers
honestly alison uses that argument for literally anybody she refuses to make mental space for to make reads. if you don't do it her way, screw you, and there's no remorse. lol

Good thing I refuse to do anything anyone's way

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:51 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:32 pm We should prob focus on building a good towncore and narrow down the POE a little. I feel like we're too over the place.

My firm townreads last night were arogame123, Lilypetal, lucy and Neon.

I'm asking you all what do you make out of Lilypetal's and Neon's wagon movements yesterday which pretty much risked a nolynch. I thought Lilypetal switching to a vanity wagon was TWTBW and also I feel like she panicked when falcon45ca posted like a dying town EOD. Neon is roughly the same but I think she comes off as more robotic to me.

arogame123 really had some pretty solvy posts at some points. I only wonder if he is deeping here.

lucy I townread mostly for repeatedly posting the VC at yesterday's EOD. It just felt like something lucy wouldn't bother doing as wolf.
Thoughts on this?

Also I feel like no one else has said anything about Lily's and Neon's movements yesterday.
Neon was townlocking me and shielding me but didn't end up voting with me and voted on Alison instead which I found strange.

Lilypetal just seemed to be glued to me.

@Neon do explain why you voted Alison over Falcon please?

I was on falcon all EoD with you until his last posts. In a world where it's W v T at that point I was pretty convinced we were killing the wrong person so I switched onto Alison because it SHOULD have made Alison go over. However a whole bunch of other fuckery happened and I can't help but think people were protecting Alison at that point cause she was only down -1 and Falcon made themself obv town and people like me were likely to switch.

That paired with your logic that d1 wagons always needs resolved is why I'm sitting on Alison right now and why I left you at exactly 1 minute to EoD

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:30 pm
MOD NOTE:

Everyone please go drink water/pet your cat/take a breather.

No need to be tense. It's just a computer game.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:17 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:13 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:11 pm Alright assume Sabiplz accidentally spoiled in MU discord that Alison, Mac and I are all town. Who should we look at next?
aro

no one is talking abt aro lol

its like he isnt in this game
I asked you for your case on aro and you didn't reply to it. Now is your chance to pitch aro mafia to us.

Hey me too

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:07 pm can you people post reads lists
I want a towncore

My reads are as follows

People I think probably drink tea

Neon
Mac
Porscha

People who might like tea

Lily
Lucy

People who are probably not very invested in the tea reads

Aro
SPF
Boq

People who might not like tea

Sparkles

People who probably hate tea

Nanook
Creature
Alison

Anyone I forgot is not memorable sorry

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:05 pm POE

Alison
Creature
Lilypetal
Seanzie

I'm taking a very long break from this game. I didn't want to get drawn into playing this way and didn't even want to fucken play it in the first place.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:04 pm How many wolves would we get if we lynched all of Alison/Boquise/MacDougall/staypositivefriend at the same time?

Seventy eleventy

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:01 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:50 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:48 pm idk what lucy is talking abt lmao the wagons weren't tied because of me
This is true. Technically my vote tied them

There's a but in here though

But my vote only tied them because Nook switched.
THIS

So I was right? Cause everyone else is acting like I'm crazy and I feel like I'm being gaslit lol

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:53 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:50 pm My vote would've put Alison at +1 if Nook hadn't switched
Weren't the wagons 8-6 before Lilypetal switched to a vanity wagon? Your vote was going to tie it at 7-7 unless you saw Lilypetal's switch to Porscha. Did you see it before voting Alison?

No

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:51 pm What are your all thoughts on Neon moving from falcon45ca to Alison (which would tie the wagons from 8-6 to 7-7 resulting in a nolynch)? What about Lilypetal moving from the top wagon (also possibly risking a nolynch) to a vanity wagon (Porscha) that would never go through?

This is a misrepresentation of what my switch was.

My switch at the time I was making it the wagons were +1 falcon with me on falcon

I believed falcon made himself clear town so I switched to make Alison +1 but a whole bunch of other fuckery happened around than too

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:51 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:49 pm yeah sorry alison ur just not someone who would understand me if ur town
Then I'm just going to leave you as hard POE in my legacy because the way you make decisions is a liability even if you are town and I do not trust you in endgame at all.

Your really REALLY gonna hate me than

I think... anyways

My vote would've put Alison at +1 if Nook hadn't switched

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:48 pm idk what lucy is talking abt lmao the wagons weren't tied because of me

This is true. Technically my vote tied them

There's a but in here though

But my vote only tied them because Nook switched.

Actual footage of me watching Alison v Mac. I feel so lonely over here.

I still think someone on my early wagon was woof and I still think Creature makes the most sense *shrugs*

Omgussss

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:24 pm @MacDougall - can you give me a rough estimate of how confident you are that nanook is town? i find it difficult to get alignment indicative information out of pretty much anything he has posted so far and most of his posts have gone straight through me, which is somewhat unusual because im usually able to figure out when he's town pretty quickly. are you confident there?
I have a gut read on scum nook btw

Hmm...I was thinking this after EoD but nobody seemed to be SRing him so I dropped it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:09 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:59 pm This conversation started as "you're dying, pick your counterwagon" and you responded by pushing me. So trying to make out like I'm trying to shut you down is fucking dumb. You pushed me, I'm pushing you back. If you want room to solve don't attack me, or if you think I'm mafia by all means attack me but don't sulk about getting shut down. That's just indicative that my points are overwhelming to you tbh. You're acting like a beaten wolf.

"Reee no fair, I pushed Mac and he's pushing me back too hard and shutting me down"

^

You right now.
You are mischaracterizing what I said but I don't feel like having another 10 page shouting match that destroys the thread.

You want to give me room to solve, then help me solve. Who is mafia if I am town if not you?
Well Porscha would be highly likely.

I think Creature is also quite likely in either world because him helping me create the Falcon wagon (and then hedging off it and making me look like the primary exponent) can be counterwagoning a town to save either of you.

After which I'd be looking at players like Lily/Neon.

And my tinfoil on SPF would eventually overwhelm and consume me at some point.
hmmmm

you would look at me and neon? two players who heavily TR'd you enough to sheep ur falcon vote, but both got cold feet right at the end? do you think that's indicative of scummy behavior?
Blowing smoke up my ass while I counterwagon a town and save a mafia teammate isn't a very long bow lily. Any reasonably competent wolf knows that townreading me is the easiest way to deal with me.
its ur lucky day mac because i am not a competent wolf
Whether or not I believe that to be the case, Neon is one.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:09 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:59 pm This conversation started as "you're dying, pick your counterwagon" and you responded by pushing me. So trying to make out like I'm trying to shut you down is fucking dumb. You pushed me, I'm pushing you back. If you want room to solve don't attack me, or if you think I'm mafia by all means attack me but don't sulk about getting shut down. That's just indicative that my points are overwhelming to you tbh. You're acting like a beaten wolf.

"Reee no fair, I pushed Mac and he's pushing me back too hard and shutting me down"

^

You right now.
You are mischaracterizing what I said but I don't feel like having another 10 page shouting match that destroys the thread.

You want to give me room to solve, then help me solve. Who is mafia if I am town if not you?
Well Porscha would be highly likely.

I think Creature is also quite likely in either world because him helping me create the Falcon wagon (and then hedging off it and making me look like the primary exponent) can be counterwagoning a town to save either of you.

After which I'd be looking at players like Lily/Neon.

And my tinfoil on SPF would eventually overwhelm and consume me at some point.
hmmmm

you would look at me and neon? two players who heavily TR'd you enough to sheep ur falcon vote, but both got cold feet right at the end? do you think that's indicative of scummy behavior?
Blowing smoke up my ass while I counterwagon a town and save a mafia teammate isn't a very long bow lily. Any reasonably competent wolf knows that townreading me is the easiest way to deal with me.
its ur lucky day mac because i am not a competent wolf

Hey that was my line

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:10 pm I don't think the tinfoil against SPF is actually that bad this game because the gamestate was terrible and chaotic and I perceive that she would be more likely to step in to restore order to the town. I guess she kinda tried but it was ineffectual and perhaps it was intentionally ineffectual. The nightkill points to her as I have argued. If I wanted to reach a bit I could say she has TMI on her Alison read as well.

I agree that Lily and Neon should be forever POE'd if Mac is town... actually I think Neon is very likely to be hard outed as wolves with SPF if he is.

Let me tell you how this is gonna go when you flip me...

"What the fuck why is Neon like this..."

Like it does every single time someone who doesn't know me flips me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:09 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:59 pm This conversation started as "you're dying, pick your counterwagon" and you responded by pushing me. So trying to make out like I'm trying to shut you down is fucking dumb. You pushed me, I'm pushing you back. If you want room to solve don't attack me, or if you think I'm mafia by all means attack me but don't sulk about getting shut down. That's just indicative that my points are overwhelming to you tbh. You're acting like a beaten wolf.

"Reee no fair, I pushed Mac and he's pushing me back too hard and shutting me down"

^

You right now.
You are mischaracterizing what I said but I don't feel like having another 10 page shouting match that destroys the thread.

You want to give me room to solve, then help me solve. Who is mafia if I am town if not you?
Well Porscha would be highly likely.

I think Creature is also quite likely in either world because him helping me create the Falcon wagon (and then hedging off it and making me look like the primary exponent) can be counterwagoning a town to save either of you.

After which I'd be looking at players like Lily/Neon.

And my tinfoil on SPF would eventually overwhelm and consume me at some point.
hmmmm

you would look at me and neon? two players who heavily TR'd you enough to sheep ur falcon vote, but both got cold feet right at the end? do you think that's indicative of scummy behavior?
Blowing smoke up my ass while I counterwagon a town and save a mafia teammate isn't a very long bow lily. Any reasonably competent wolf knows that townreading me is the easiest way to deal with me.

Good thing I'm not competent

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:03 pm [VOTE: arogame123] aubergine

sorry for the rand

Weird flex but okay.

I'm here for the tea.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:35 pm Ftr Lilypetal moved to Porscha, Neon moved to Alison and NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME moved to falcon45ca last EOD.

Pretty sure NANOOK did so to avoid a tie. Lilypetal I thought was towny and I already cited reasons somewhere. Neon is the most interesting switch.

I'm the most interesting in many ways

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:22 pm toward the end of yesterday i was so baffled by the randomness of the alison wagon that i was fairly convinced that it was being propped up by the POE as a way to save alison. now that falcon has flipped town, i have to admit to being even more baffled

why do people scumread alison? why is she scummy? why does she need to die today? i really need anyone who intends to push on her today to give me a reason that extends beyond "threadstate" or "vibes" or whatever lazy ass reasoning people gave yesterday

Would you believe me if I said vibes?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:18 pm Idk who moved at literally the last second after I swapped to avoid a tie but I hate you we could've killed alison instead
hopefully that wasnt me if so sorry i moved off falcon like 1 min or so before but i announced it in thread

I moved onto Alison at exactly 1 minute to EoD

Inb4 Allison Mac W/W

I don't fear being called a bad player.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:12 pm screw u all for making a doomed eod where the top wagon is making VERY TOWNY legacy posts and if obviously going to flip town but our only alternative is to kill alison who, if lunched, makes me a bad player who should feel bad

I legit tried to exe Alison because like Falcon was clearly town at EoD but other people moved after I moved. Soooo.

Weird flex but okay.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm Will wolves NK me tonight?

No

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:58 pm It's all rather moot isn't it because of one of these two flips town the other is dying day 2. Right?

This is my actual legacy. Do not ever let this not occur. Ever. If I am in DVC and see this occur I will blacklist every town in the game.

10-4 commander

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:53 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:52 pm why tf does Alison have 6 votes
people are scared of strong players i guess
I still hate everything about this narrative even though Mac made a good point...
nah it's obvious that alison is only being voted because people are scared of the fact that she's a strong player and not because there is any compelling reason for her to be mafia

even in a world where alison is mafia and i am embarrassing myself by incorrectly defending her the pushes on her are still awful

No. If this many people are voting someone is more than "oh no people are scared of her she's so good save her"

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:53 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:52 pm why tf does Alison have 6 votes
people are scared of strong players i guess

I still hate everything about this narrative even though Mac made a good point...

Ninja'd

Where even are creature boq and lily?

I'm not killing porscha and will not allow porscha to die. That is all.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:38 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:27 pm I again am in a position where I don't like the wagons. I might not be back before EoD, but maybe fix this?
So like... maybe... like... help change it and not just tell other people to do it. Or something.

Solid 10/10 game play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:36 pm @Alison I don't think Porscha is mafia.

Factually accurate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:34 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:33 pm My top TR wants to kill one of my SRs...hmmm
join me u know u want to

I already did lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:33 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:25 pm There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together
Yeah no porscha is right.
Not really you're kind of both wrong here. It's not really about who is strong or not. Ego doesn't factor. It's just that given its mountainous there are certain slots that are inclined to self resolve due to their rep/presence/threat to wolves. If you take away whether you think they're good or not there are always players in a game that if they aren't mafia will be a priority mafia kill before the game gets to final x.

Mischopping players like this is not a great thing for town because it essentially is one fewer night kills the mafia team have to make.

Given the way I have like at least 5 of you just blowing smoke up my ass I'm probably dying n1 even if my reads suck simply because the mafia won't be able to miselim me. (On that note don't really sheep my legacy).

The optimal play is to just coalesce behind those players that wolves are inclined to kill and let them have their way. If the game gets to a deep state and any of them are alive and it feels bad they are probably a wolf.

In this game I'd suggest Alison is usually in this category but given how much momentum their wagon has wolves would (if she is town) now view her as a possible miselim so she won't die. Which is a trap for the mafia probably because Alison even when they look like a possible miselim often just reveals and buries a wolf and fucks them over. But the temptation will be there.

Ftr the 2 most likely n1s here would be me and SPF. Arogame would be probably next.

I hate when your right about me being wrong and it makes me feel dumb lol

My top TR wants to kill one of my SRs...hmmm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:25 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:21 pm I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?
Cant wait for you to be full of shit alison I hope you get policied after my flip because this is awful reasoning that just sounds good in theory to the babies who look up to you more than they need to because they wont think for themselves

Literally me rn lmao

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:25 pm There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together

Yeah no porscha is right.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:21 pm I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?
Cant wait for you to be full of shit alison I hope you get policied after my flip because this is awful reasoning that just sounds good in theory to the babies who look up to you more than they need to because they wont think for themselves

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:20 pm Level 1 reads based on this eod period

Towniest

SPF
Aro
Boq
Nanook
Lucy
Neon

Conflicted

Porscha
Falcon
Alison
Creature
Lily

Completely absent of towniness

Seanzie
Jack
Rondo

I'd happily flashwagon any of the bottom 3 lol

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