The Syndicate

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:25 am Dude I keep doing this i didn't mean to send that

I just wanted to bring up she did that last game as wolf

yeah, but she was wolf last- oh
right

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:26 amPost 75 @Roxy

>:[

beat me to it

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:24 am can you quote post #75 to make it easier for those of us in the nosebleed section?

here you go

Spoiler: show

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:42 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:47 pmGlinkzies
incredibly scummy post from Dennis
I've never seen a town come into the thread and say "Glinkzies"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:49 pm Is this you trying to avoid saying “jinkies”?
idk what jinkies are but it sounds scummy too

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:55 pm Actually it was struggling to think of something random to say that wasn't "meow"

Meow is falling off I need a new intro but I don't think this is it
Dennis overthinking their entrance post
SCUM!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:58 pm Goodinkies Afternoonenkies everyonenkies, mynkies namenkies isnkies DrWoogernkies andnkies Inkies amnkies mostnkies definitelynkies ankies doctornkies.

Ankies pleasurenkies tonkies makenkies yournkies acquaintancesenkies.
this is a beautifully written and very poetic entrance post
town 10/10

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:59 pm oh wow we're the role flavors
surprise does not feel real - there is not even an exclamation mark at the end
scummy

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:59 pm also MOUNTAINOUS!!!
excitement feels forced
SCUM!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:06 pm
weird purple face
not w/w

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:16 pmMeow
using the entrance Dennis decided not to use
not sure if on purpose or not
feels not w/w

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:13 pmSVS/Wilgy w/w
immediate read upon entrance
TOWN!

SixStrings wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:48 pm Well, it should be interesting trying keeping the roles and the names straight.
an unassuming comment about the flavor (kind of like mine)
scummy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 10:22 pm I AM TOWN!

Here in the Court of Miracles, it's a miracle if you get out alive!
SCUM!

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:57 am Glad to see this has started
boring entrance post
scummy

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:06 am I am so excited to play a Kate game!

I'm gonna double down on this

Except there are no Gods, only me. Ask me anything or Damn me to Hell
a happy entrance post
scummy

Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:54 am Hi Kate game! Hello lovely people, see ya later.
a normal and friendly entrance post
scummy

ok let's leave it at that

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:22 pm if I order the above, I get something like:

SVS
Syn

Dennis
Seanzie
falcon

Wilgy
fingersplints
Neon

Roxy
Epignosis
matahari
SixStrings

SVS
Syn

Dennis
Roxy
Seanzie

falcon
fingersplints

Wilgy
Neon
matahari
Epignosis
SixStrings

???
idk this feels weird

DrWilgy also seemed like they scumread me more but they are voting Syn and not me hmm

what are the reasons for falcon/Syn?

she just called me a wolf and left it at that lol

neon is also voting me for reasons she has not explained

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:08 am And in the culture I came up from, you look for wolves first. This could account for the differences.

I have tried this and... it doesn't really work out well for me lol

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:57 am You cannot control players reactions to pressure or a vote but you can read a defense and gauge your feels from there - no?

yeah, I'm just saying I tend to have the knee-jerk reaction of negatively reading defensiveness
which sometimes overrides everything else

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:48 am Will address Lemon's read list when I'm on a computer.

yes, I deserve to be responded to on a computer

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:39 am catching up.....

oh wow
lemon likes this post

think I agree with a lot

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:27 am
I saw they did a bunch of catch-up last night that I need to review, but when I made this list, Lemon had a painful amount of posts compared to actual reads.

Tell me what you think of post #75 before I go further.

reads take time

and I was doing something very important with the rest of my posts
which was asking obvious questions and having fun

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:48 am We obvs have different styles of play; I agree that hunting low posters rather than baddies is lazy, and back in the day, it was kinda looked down on a bit. I know that is no longer the case, and I've moved past my personal feels on this. But some people have a slow time starting, and sometimes low posters *are* bad. But statistically, we all have the same odds of being town, and i think it's better to let them have a chance to play. And after a certain time frame, being a low poster in and of itself can be suspect. But not on day one, or prolly even day two.

I don't really think it's lazy though?
sure, it's lazy if you just exe the people with the lowest posts without thought but if you're trying to find towns first, it's just something that comes with the process sometimes

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:31 am OK, now this makes me feel better about Six, and worse about you. You snipped this out of context, and are kinda misrepresenting what's going on here.

I tagged Six in a specific question, and he is replying to it. Read it context,

... this reads more like any one of us answering that little notification bell to me.

Your post, and the way you snipped it, feels like low poster hunting rather than scum hunting.

no, I did read the entire thing in context
I just snipped it because it was messy (you'll notice I tend to do that)

the pop-in was just something I noted at the time (something I usually do silently in my head) and wasn't a scumread at time of posting
although later on I did end up scumreading Six for real for lack of content in general

I also was very much aware that Six must have received a notif from your reply but it was the fact that they didn't try to engage with the thread a bit more after that made me side-eye it

I was not misrepping Six, at least not intentionally
but if you want to say I'm low-poster hunting, yeah I'll accept that

like, unless I see something super towny from them, they stay in POE idc

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:15 am I'm saddened by the fact that the [2] I just clicked over to only involved things that I predicated.

sentence did not parse
pls explain to my tiny brain

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:15 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:01 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:03 pm Just a gut feel on you being town. Regarding your discussion on being defensive... Although I would agree that defensiveness can be construed as guilty or bad, it could easily be justified in many cases. Yours is one of them. Finally your reasoning seemed to be backed up by a third party in the thread.
pop-in noted
not going to comment on content b/c I don't agree but that probably unimportant
SixStrings was very pop in pop out in his first game. I don't think that's AI and they are new.

eh fair
just something I side-eyed a bit

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:14 am Cause you be woofin

I regret to inform you that you are WRONG

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:14 pm Okay how does silly sound

better

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:13 pm Defending yourself is NAI to me because its like human instinct or whatever to not want to die but I respect your views

maybe
it depends on how the defense is made

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:40 pm I have never played with either of you, so it’s hard to find ‘decent indicators of towniness’ when I haven’t seen either of you as mafia.

I haven't played with Syn before either
I'm using what I think are general indicators of towniness rather than specific meta-associated indicators

because I clearly do not have meta info

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:22 pm if I order the above, I get something like:

SVS
Syn

Dennis
Seanzie
falcon

Wilgy
fingersplints
Neon

Roxy
Epignosis
matahari
SixStrings

hopefully this list is more like the one in my first game here, and not like the one in my second game

actually, I don't even remember if I posted a list in my second game or not

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:20 pmi love lemons now

as you should

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:06 pm in no particular order:

Dennis - some posts felt weird (the ones about me not clarifying when I actually did clarify), probably fine aside from that... looking into ISO, I do kind of like the post on splints, now I remember they were also scumreading(?) me/syn
DrWilgy - readlist was bad but not necessarily scummy, kind of liked one post regarding SVS
Epignosis - first to point out SVS metaread (which I don't really buy but everyone seems to agree with it), idk... looking at ISO, I don't like the backtrack on falcon saying it was a pressure vote after Seanzie commented on it... but Epignosis said I wasn't mafia after that, which is makes me pocketed (:
falcon - don't remember... ISO: voted Neon after Neon said falcon was town and to not murder them for no reason, lowkey kind of agreed with initial suspicion on SVS's post, ooh falcon asked the same question I asked Epignosis...probably a good sign?
fingersplints - don't remember... ISO: post on SVS and Neon is ok - I don't like it but I don't hate it, kind of like the posts on SVS to Neon, another syn scumreader(?), comment on Six being different from Muppet Mafia...eh, probably fine
lemonfairy - it's me, lemon
matahari - uhh can't remember... ISO: 1 post (hello lovely people...) and nothing else
neon - been hopping on a few people... ISO: the hopping was mostly at start of game, says SVS's post feels fake, says SVS is threadspewed town (which I agree with) and Wilgy is town (SVS is a 180 from previous team of SVS/Dennis)... huh Neon might be town idk, her vote on me is bad though
roxy - in support of being defensive when pushed, no thoughts at time of posting... null
seanzie - clash in reads on Epi with Syn, didn't want a falcon D1 vote, feels fine idk
sixstrings - 3 posts, posts feel a bit stilted (might be b/c they are new), could be wolf
svs - liked as few of their later posts, feels like a consensus townread
syn - I vibe with syn, just going to townread them... ISO: mostly short posts, feels uncaring, posts are funny (passes vibecheck), reads are fine (referring to the changing of Wilgy's list)

if I order the above, I get something like:

SVS
Syn

Dennis
Seanzie
falcon

Wilgy
fingersplints
Neon

Roxy
Epignosis
matahari
SixStrings

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:04 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:13 pm feels like a good portion of people are against me and Syn
What’s your impression of Syn so far?

pls see the post I just posted a couple of posts back

but if you're too lazy to scroll, I'll just say it here
Syn is a town viberead

and I think this might be a good viberead and not one of the ones where I'm just relying on feeling only because I have found some things that are decent indicators of towniness and it's not just one post

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:59 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:55 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:30 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:27 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:26 pm So no real reason why then?
no, it's D1
unless you want me to look at N0

which I guess I could
but does it have anything worth looking at?
Well you called me out as bad, and I’d like to know why.

This is a thing that irritates me; calling out or clearing a person without giving reasons.

If you say, we’ll x, y and x seem to be bad to me, you should be willing to say why, I guess.
if you scroll up a bit, you'll see that you were the only ones who have posted D1

I have no idea what you are talking about.
still don't get it?

syn asked for who I thought the team was based on D1
so I named people I saw on D1 (there weren't any other people posting)
Ah

Honestly I didn't even notice syn said D1 content

Ok that's my bad

no prob no prob
I'm glad I didn't misremember that

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:33 pm I'm sorry I think you're funky in the best way possible

I still refuse the label of "funky"
even if you mean it in the best way

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:26 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:29 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:19 am And I'll be damned if I give one care about being defensive when I get a suspicion/vote. I will *ALWAYS* defend as it is our duty as town to preserve/prove ourselves in order to be here another day helping/voting for the town.
it's good to try your best to not get elimmed but being defensive is imo not a great way to do it
and I'm not really trying to dissuade people from being defensive because at the end of the day, I can't control other people's reactions to being pushed - I just wanted to give a heads up on how I tend to react to defensiveness
How does one avoid getting elimmed without defending themselves

Genuine question, not sarcasm

be towny, put in effort to solve, explain reads

that's it
or be extremely likable and charismatic

in no particular order:

Dennis - some posts felt weird (the ones about me not clarifying when I actually did clarify), probably fine aside from that... looking into ISO, I do kind of like the post on splints, now I remember they were also scumreading(?) me/syn
DrWilgy - readlist was bad but not necessarily scummy, kind of liked one post regarding SVS
Epignosis - first to point out SVS metaread (which I don't really buy but everyone seems to agree with it), idk... looking at ISO, I don't like the backtrack on falcon saying it was a pressure vote after Seanzie commented on it... but Epignosis said I wasn't mafia after that, which is makes me pocketed (:
falcon - don't remember... ISO: voted Neon after Neon said falcon was town and to not murder them for no reason, lowkey kind of agreed with initial suspicion on SVS's post, ooh falcon asked the same question I asked Epignosis...probably a good sign?
fingersplints - don't remember... ISO: post on SVS and Neon is ok - I don't like it but I don't hate it, kind of like the posts on SVS to Neon, another syn scumreader(?), comment on Six being different from Muppet Mafia...eh, probably fine
lemonfairy - it's me, lemon
matahari - uhh can't remember... ISO: 1 post (hello lovely people...) and nothing else
neon - been hopping on a few people... ISO: the hopping was mostly at start of game, says SVS's post feels fake, says SVS is threadspewed town (which I agree with) and Wilgy is town (SVS is a 180 from previous team of SVS/Dennis)... huh Neon might be town idk, her vote on me is bad though
roxy - in support of being defensive when pushed, no thoughts at time of posting... null
seanzie - clash in reads on Epi with Syn, didn't want a falcon D1 vote, feels fine idk
sixstrings - 3 posts, posts feel a bit stilted (might be b/c they are new), could be wolf
svs - liked as few of their later posts, feels like a consensus townread
syn - I vibe with syn, just going to townread them... ISO: mostly short posts, feels uncaring, posts are funny (passes vibecheck), reads are fine (referring to the changing of Wilgy's list)

feels like a good portion of people are against me and Syn

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:10 pm I want to thank everyone for all the pocketing, and since almost everyone did it, I feel refreshingly uninfluenced by it.

looks like SVS is just town
nice nice

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:20 pm Lemon isn't being replaced.

of course, I'm very active

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:32 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:06 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:02 pm This game state is trash
Why
Because its stagnant and all anyone is doing is echoing the same points over and over

Be the change you want to see in the game

indeed

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:40 pm replace syn and lemon with mata and six

and plummet epi from the top to the bottom

thanks love you

this is better
not sure about Epi, would probably just put them mid

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:36 pm Epi
Splints
Neon
SVS
Seanzie

Mata
Six
Dennis
Roxy
Falcon

Syn
Lemon

Order is irrelevant.

This is the way.

ugh
no, it really isn't

SixStrings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:03 pm Just a gut feel on you being town. Regarding your discussion on being defensive... Although I would agree that defensiveness can be construed as guilty or bad, it could easily be justified in many cases. Yours is one of them. Finally your reasoning seemed to be backed up by a third party in the thread.

pop-in noted
not going to comment on content b/c I don't agree but that probably unimportant

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:38 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:36 pm imagine scum-reading someone because they got taken seriously by someone else
But then why wouldn't they clarify

didn't you just
admit I already clarified in the previous post?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:34 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:31 pm Hm what about lemonfairy

If everyone thinks syn felt weird, thoughts on lemon cuz I got some sorta funky vibes somewhere along the line

It felt like they might have been trying to cause some confusion because they didn't clarify for 100% certain about their joke solve, even after it was apparent svs thought they were being serious
Clarify without being prompted*

I had to ask, but they did clarify

pretty sure I clarified before you asked too

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:31 pm If everyone thinks syn felt weird, thoughts on lemon cuz I got some sorta funky vibes somewhere along the line

excuse you
there is nothing funky about me

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:31 pm It felt like they might have been trying to cause some confusion because they didn't clarify for 100% certain about their joke solve, even after it was apparent svs thought they were being serious

no, I clarified pretty clearly but ig no one read it so I stopped wasting my time and moved on

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:02 pm If you had to guess, what would Sean's reason be for not being in favor of voting my slot?

feels like a weird question
idk it checks out with another post they made that said you shouldn't be voted D1 or something

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:40 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:38 pmVote Lemon
are you telling me to vote or are you telling people to vote me?
I think she is declaring that she voted you.
oh

@Neon why

hold on
@Neon why

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:40 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:38 pmVote Lemon
are you telling me to vote or are you telling people to vote me?
I think she is declaring that she voted you.

oh

@Neon why

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:38 pmVote Lemon

are you telling me to vote or are you telling people to vote me?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:11 pm Ooh like talk in baddie chat about already getting called out, I see

I only played with maf svs once and I don't remember a single thing so I'm gonna trust other people's meta reads, but I was already townleaning her so

this feels like town
and it's more specific than the "feelings" I had last game so hopefully it's right this time

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:35 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:06 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:44 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:03 pmUm what?
Mafia S~V~S wouldn't react this way.
um what?
My statement was unequivocal.
but why do you think scum SVS wouldn't react that way?
I've been reading along and I feel like this question has been addressed.

yeah, it has
just skip it

I also don't think SVS's initial post is actually worth reading much into and it felt like a waste of time for so many people to comment on it
I liked their later posts though

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:56 am I think S~V~S looks slightly better than Neon in this exchange going on, but I could really see it being t/t. Neon is being a bit nitpicky and finding things in S~V~S posts that I don’t really agree with and am about seeing, but that points to maybe justified honest scumhunting. I think SVS being on the defensive this early also likely town trait for her. All in all, I’m ok with both of them for now

I didn't really feel Neon was being nitpicky?
felt like idk normal

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:19 am And I'll be damned if I give one care about being defensive when I get a suspicion/vote. I will *ALWAYS* defend as it is our duty as town to preserve/prove ourselves in order to be here another day helping/voting for the town.

it's good to try your best to not get elimmed but being defensive is imo not a great way to do it
and I'm not really trying to dissuade people from being defensive because at the end of the day, I can't control other people's reactions to being pushed - I just wanted to give a heads up on how I tend to react to defensiveness

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:53 amFeels weird ngl

what feels weird?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:01 am Maybe we just have a different approach, becasue I am always resistant to being voted

I do try to look past it if I think it's more likely NAI but it is more of a first reaction I have and sometimes I mess up and it overrides other stuff
eh we'll see

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