The Syndicate

@Neon if you could pls post a list, I'd appreciate it

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:28 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:24 pm Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

explain your vote on me yesterday
(and today)

my vote on you is because you didn't explain your vote on me yesterday
and Roxy and Dennis reminded me that's exactly what you did last game as wolf

My explanation is that I don't think you are towny

and this is why

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:28 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:34 pm So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

You don't think the wolves could have double-stacked?

If they did it was on Neon I think. I still feel generally good about the people on the Syn wagon, with exception SixStrings.

you're telling me if wolves stack, it would be on the smaller counterwagon of 3 people instead of the leading wagon of 5 people?
I find that hard to believe

But I'm like pretty sure this is town Sean and Dennis

did you say why you townread Sean/Dennis?
if not, pls explain

what else?
oh right, read on Neon?
and who do you think is scum on other two wagons if you think Six is mafia vs. Six is town

I think I kind of agree that there should be a wolf on the 5 Syn wagon
I townread Sean more than Dennis more than Six atm

I think me and Roxy are both town
unsure of Mata - I do kind of like their posts more now idk

can't really townread Epi or splints
I'm low-key kind of sheeping others on the splints townread but I myself don't have much thoughts there
they probs aren't w/w (I did just state the obvious, you're welcome)

I also think Neon's probably a wolf

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:15 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:50 pm The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

@Seanzie I don't think I saw an answer to this
you had Epi near the top of your reads so why the vote?

was it a change in read or just a "I don't like what you're doing now" vote?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:55 pm Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

oh so the previous list was more of a carry-over from your early reads?

I feel like I already addressed this quite a bit, but it was a "I don't like what you're doing now" vote in regards to Epi pushing me and Falcon as a team. I thought more about it though, and decided that the parallels I was seeing between his game in Bike and his gam here were more tenuous than I was thinking yesterday, so Epi is not my main concern right meow.

ok fair
thanks

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:23 pm Ok, as I have established, I am still very new and as such have offered very little dialogue. Though my silence might bring on some suspicion, I have chosen to observe more than comment. I will readily admit I have been wrong more than right so far on my guesses between this game and last.
Here is my question, "what would be the main benefit of commenting on my own suspicions ? It seems if I were correct it would get me killed.

could you post a readslist when you have time pls?
or give your top 3 towns and top 3 scum

I'd prefer the readslist though

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:02 pm @fingersplints thats fair, it’s the same thought I had when SVS was killed. I wouldn’t suspect Roxy for it, because we were both on a mafia team a few weeks back and one of the team wanted to kill Dennis or SVS on night one. Roxy and I both revolted, because it was Dennis’s first game and because SVS historically gets killed on night one. I would fight tooth and nail not to kill her night one, but you only have my word for it so, fair.
I do think someone who felt safe in the thread, but not bts, decided it was a good time to yeet her. While she wasn’t suspicious of them

I'm kind of more in line with this than splint's take
imo it's just as likely - if not more - for someone SVS townread to kill SVS
reading into NKs always has that WIFOM so I don't tend to look at it much

not saying falcon is LHF (was just part of the question)
I hate getting called LHF

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:58 am So do you think you're LHF (or is he pushing someone else who is LHF that I forgot about)

Epi was pushing LHF falcon, whom Seanzie was defending
yes

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:34 am Anways, Epi is old news. @Dennis what are your thoughts on Neon, girl of the 21st century?

She's been her normal self, nothing significant she's done really comes to mind except for that "explain votes" post

I don't know why, but I'm not entirely sure town Neon worries about that. Kinda weirded me out, but overall town

what specifically is towny about her?
I'm kind of finding it hard to see atm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:32 am Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post

wait, Dennis
can you post a reads list for me pls and ty

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 12:03 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:19 am @DrWilgy - you are feeling less involved this game, doesn't affect your alignment tho I feel like I am having a hard time gauging your reads. Some feel a bit forced but I am unsure what or if that means anything. I am feeling townish from you but Imma need more from you, pretty please.

What reads of mine feel forced exactly?

@Roxy I would actually like to know too

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 12:09 am Why don't you question lemons placement as well?

why would you question my placement?
I'm so towny

also pls post your reads too thnx

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:58 pm Roxy

fingersplints
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy
Dennis

falcon45ca

SixStrings
Matahari

Neon

Epignosis

I'm not completely sure why Fingersplints ended up so high, but it is what it is. I'd like to see more from both SixStrings and Matahari because I feel like they are both pretty much null all this point.

vibe with these

unsure on fingersplints
and I would probably drop Wilgy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:56 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:58 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:45 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:31 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:21 am DrWilgy also seemed like they scumread me more but they are voting Syn and not me hmm

The fact that you don't pose this as an actual question for me to answer and are talking to the crowd makes it seem like you are eager to discredit me tbh.

I just think there's a slightly higher chance I'm wrong on your alignment as opposed to Syn.

But also, there's nothing from keeping you as teammates. What is the chop of one wolf compared to the chop of another.

you weren't here so I was talking to thread
or to myself

did you explain why you scumread me so much- no, you kind of did, it was the reads vs posts ratio
have you changed your thoughts after reading the rest of my posts or are you still in the process of reading?

And that's it right there. I didn't but you only thought to ask now.

You went to discrediting the read before I even supplied it in full.

Simply put, early in your fluff to read ratio was bad, and momentum, I get it, but then your read list early was also bad even as a joke post.

You had Dennis, SVS, Six, Falcon, Splints, Mata and Roxy as scum with Me/Syn as T.

You also made some not W/W associations.

Even if it was for shits and giggles, I don't see this being pro town. The maybe fake maybe real not W/W associations just makes me think you are saying things to appear towny.

and that was because you weren't there
I'm just posting thoughts as I go

it feels like the reasons you have to scumread me aren't that strong and you're also avoiding actually voting me
I already know the read is wrong so it's not really a discredit but I still would like to know the full reason

and you did say you were going to respond to the rest of my reads before so maybe you'd have answered the questions I wanted to ask
no reason to drop a "why" there imo

I think it was fairly clear that a lot of the reads in #75 were very reachy and some were even silly
it's not really a post people would townread so idk why I, as scum, would post it for the purpose of getting townread

it was more for the purpose of generating more content and to get my head in the game, which it managed to do

Aye, I did feel that there was a higher chance I was wrong on you as opposed to Syn. Post economy also seems to imply that I'm more likely to solve you as opposed to Syn given you stick around.

Fair enough. I feel like I'd be more inclined to ask, but maybe that's a me thing.

And it did generate content, the point of a W making posts like that is exactly so they can say 'but look, I helped push the game out of RVS.'

now that Syn has flipped town + you think you have a higher chance of being wrong on me compared to Syn, does it change anything?

ig the RVS point is fair
I had fun making that post though so no regrets

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:50 pm Aye, lets break this down,

Re Dennis - I don't feel like you actually come to an alignment based decision here.
Re Me - Why was the readlist bad? Was it specifically the reds? What about the greens?
Re Epi - I'll take this as an SR?
Re Falc - This is a TR?
re Splints - This one seems hedgey
re Matahari - null, fair
re neon - slight tr with bad read?
re roxy - null
re sean - tr'd because of the falcon defense?
re six - wr because stilted

Lemon, this does still feel fluffy and kinda 'safe' on all takes. I slept on my initial read of you, and yeah, I do think that I was abit too deep on reading into the silly early reads, but this list is full of hedgey takes and your two real srs are just the low posters. Why exactly, are Neon and I presented as trs in spite of you disagreeing with our reads?

I'm not going to respond to the individual reads b/c my reads have changed quite a bit
although I will say I kind of expected more of a response rather than just a summary of each person's read

it's hedgy because they're early reads
you and Neon have also dropped to SRs at this point (I'll post an updated list later) but I had you higher up because I saw nothing that really pinged me from either of you at the time

sure, our reads didn't vibe but sometimes, that just happens and it takes a bit more time to figure out if it's something to be concerned about or not

ignore my last question, I got it lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:39 pm Yeah okay, I was wrong on Epi.

wrong about them being towny or wrong about them being scummy?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:34 pm So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

You don't think the wolves could have double-stacked?

If they did it was on Neon I think. I still feel generally good about the people on the Syn wagon, with exception SixStrings.

you're telling me if wolves stack, it would be on the smaller counterwagon of 3 people instead of the leading wagon of 5 people?
I find that hard to believe

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:34 pm So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

what about Neon?

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:24 pm Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

explain your vote on me yesterday
(and today)

my vote on you is because you didn't explain your vote on me yesterday
and Roxy and Dennis reminded me that's exactly what you did last game as wolf

although ig it's possible to hide behind a meta of "I always do this" but I still don't know if it's something to be concerned about

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:10 pm I thought my overuse of quotation marks made it clear it wasn't that at all. Still, I found a connection between you and falcon. That's what it accomplished. You are hard against a dead falcon. I am not satisfied with your answers regarding why.

no, it wasn't very clear (at least not to me)
do you think this connection is worth anything though?

feels like you're picking at something that scum would be self-conscious about enough to avoid doing with a partner

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:55 pm Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

oh so the previous list was more of a carry-over from your early reads?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:55 pm A part of me wishes to applaud the lack of shits given regarding consistency.

Another part is dying to defenestrate you.

do you think this inconsistency is scummy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:50 pm The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

@Seanzie I don't think I saw an answer to this
you had Epi near the top of your reads so why the vote?

was it a change in read or just a "I don't like what you're doing now" vote?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:42 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:35 am GTH. No sorting within groups.

S~V~S
Epignosis
Roxy

fingersplints

Lemonfairy
DrWilgy

falcon45ca
Neon
SixStrings

Dennis
Matahari

Syn

What have I done to earn a spot of there?

Somebody else had me up top too.

You're a polarized noob. Or I'm pocketing you. Your choice.

Don't know where to begin with this. I don't know what the first thing means. I suspect you and falcon, so I'm not in your pocket. I'm not choosing anything.

why? because Seanzie was defending falcon?
isn't that too obvious?

ok I have a bit of time now

talk tomorrow
am tired today

tag me if you have questions thnx

oh wow look at that my top two towns were both town

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:29 pm Town: Splints, Wilgy
Lean town: SVS, Roxy, Epig, Dennis
Undecided: everyone else.

why for splints and wilgy?
maybe explain Epig too

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:19 am Why do you think Syn seems townie vs why Epi seems bad? Why are Mata and Six in your list? Is it bc they have not said much or is it what they have said?

Syn felt towny to me b/c idk I liked their posts - they felt free and they had a sense of humor that was almost to the point of being antagonistic
and yes, scum can be funny, not saying they can't but they generally aren't in the mood
they would avoid rubbing people the wrong way though, which I don't think Syn is doing or cares about

Epignosis was because of the vote on falcon and then saying it was a pressure vote, which tbh I felt wasn't necessary to say
they also pointed out SVS's meta town thing first which, if I stretch it a bit, could be labelled as TMI but it's more NAI at this point because it can be from town too

Mata and Six are more because of lack of content, yes
I think Six looks a bit worse rn?

hmmm
actually idk rereading Six's response to SVS, it doesn't look terrible
there's just not enough there I can comfortably townread

but Syn is funny
maybe leave them for another day

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:15 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:04 am vote: Neon

and I'll look at Syn again to decide if I want to defend or not

Do it I believe in you

sad
there wasn't enough to look at

I still like the overall vibe but I said I wasn't going to toneread people anymore

hmm I think I would still soft defend Syn but not hard defend (:
mostly just b/c there isn't enough there for me to be confident enough to hard defend

literally just scroll up a bit

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:26 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:42 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:47 pmGlinkzies

incredibly scummy post from Dennis
I've never seen a town come into the thread and say "Glinkzies"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:49 pm Is this you trying to avoid saying “jinkies”?

idk what jinkies are but it sounds scummy too

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:55 pm Actually it was struggling to think of something random to say that wasn't "meow"

Meow is falling off I need a new intro but I don't think this is it

Dennis overthinking their entrance post
SCUM!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:58 pm Goodinkies Afternoonenkies everyonenkies, mynkies namenkies isnkies DrWoogernkies andnkies Inkies amnkies mostnkies definitelynkies ankies doctornkies.

Ankies pleasurenkies tonkies makenkies yournkies acquaintancesenkies.

this is a beautifully written and very poetic entrance post
town 10/10

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:59 pm oh wow we're the role flavors

surprise does not feel real - there is not even an exclamation mark at the end
scummy

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:59 pm also MOUNTAINOUS!!!

excitement feels forced
SCUM!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:06 pm

weird purple face
not w/w

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:16 pmMeow

using the entrance Dennis decided not to use
not sure if on purpose or not
feels not w/w

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:13 pmSVS/Wilgy w/w

immediate read upon entrance
TOWN!

SixStrings wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:48 pm Well, it should be interesting trying keeping the roles and the names straight.

an unassuming comment about the flavor (kind of like mine)
scummy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 10:22 pm I AM TOWN!





Here in the Court of Miracles, it's a miracle if you get out alive!

SCUM!

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:57 am Glad to see this has started

boring entrance post
scummy

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:06 am I am so excited to play a Kate game!

I'm gonna double down on this

Except there are no Gods, only me. Ask me anything or Damn me to Hell

a happy entrance post
scummy

Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:54 am Hi Kate game! Hello lovely people, see ya later.

a normal and friendly entrance post
scummy

ok let's leave it at that

Post 75 @Roxy

@Seanzie

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

aubergine

vote: Neon

and I'll look at Syn again to decide if I want to defend or not

oop italics got messed up

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:46 am And again, I haven't really evaluated your new "actual" reads fully and I should. During the skim it didn't inspire anything but maybe I'm conf biased already.

going to wait for the response you said you were going to make on it (by which, I assume means you have some[/some] thoughts on it)
but if it didn't inspire you, then idk what to say

too bad ig

anyway, weird to scumread me for being silly but ok

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:45 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:31 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:21 am DrWilgy also seemed like they scumread me more but they are voting Syn and not me hmm

The fact that you don't pose this as an actual question for me to answer and are talking to the crowd makes it seem like you are eager to discredit me tbh.

I just think there's a slightly higher chance I'm wrong on your alignment as opposed to Syn.

But also, there's nothing from keeping you as teammates. What is the chop of one wolf compared to the chop of another.

you weren't here so I was talking to thread
or to myself

did you explain why you scumread me so much- no, you kind of did, it was the reads vs posts ratio
have you changed your thoughts after reading the rest of my posts or are you still in the process of reading?

And that's it right there. I didn't but you only thought to ask now.

You went to discrediting the read before I even supplied it in full.

Simply put, early in your fluff to read ratio was bad, and momentum, I get it, but then your read list early was also bad even as a joke post.

You had Dennis, SVS, Six, Falcon, Splints, Mata and Roxy as scum with Me/Syn as T.

You also made some not W/W associations.

Even if it was for shits and giggles, I don't see this being pro town. The maybe fake maybe real not W/W associations just makes me think you are saying things to appear towny.

and that was because you weren't there
I'm just posting thoughts as I go

it feels like the reasons you have to scumread me aren't that strong and you're also avoiding actually voting me
I already know the read is wrong so it's not really a discredit but I still would like to know the full reason

and you did say you were going to respond to the rest of my reads before so maybe you'd have answered the questions I wanted to ask
no reason to drop a "why" there imo

I think it was fairly clear that a lot of the reads in #75 were very reachy and some were even silly
it's not really a post people would townread so idk why I, as scum, would post it for the purpose of getting townread

it was more for the purpose of generating more content and to get my head in the game, which it managed to do

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:43 am lol you did the same to me last game as well bc it was a vibe tone thing for you and said you could not explain an actual suspicion.

I'm going to not toneread people anymore because it's obviously not working lol

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:41 am lemon: you found the thread quiet? and tried to liven it up.

yes yes
and it worked I think?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:36 am and yes, you are wrong this time too

this is to Wilgy btw, if it wasn't obvious

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:36 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:19 am she just called me a wolf and left it at that lol

meh it is what happened to me last game, remember?

my bad for not processing it last time
easier to catch when it's directed at me lol

and yes, you are wrong this time too

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:31 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:21 am DrWilgy also seemed like they scumread me more but they are voting Syn and not me hmm

The fact that you don't pose this as an actual question for me to answer and are talking to the crowd makes it seem like you are eager to discredit me tbh.

I just think there's a slightly higher chance I'm wrong on your alignment as opposed to Syn.

But also, there's nothing from keeping you as teammates. What is the chop of one wolf compared to the chop of another.

you weren't here so I was talking to thread
or to myself

did you explain why you scumread me so much- no, you kind of did, it was the reads vs posts ratio
have you changed your thoughts after reading the rest of my posts or are you still in the process of reading?

for context to #75, this was what I was trying to do

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:29 pm ok maybe I'll take random posts and force reads because that's fun and productive