Meta Mafia (day 4)

[Seanzie]

Roxy

fingersplints
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy
Dennis

falcon45ca

SixStrings
Matahari

Neon

Epignosis

I'm not completely sure why Fingersplints ended up so high, but it is what it is. I'd like to see more from both SixStrings and Matahari because I feel like they are both pretty much null all this point.

Wait, what?



Why is fingers TR "is what it is"?



Why don't you question lemons placement as well?

Lemon is fine, FS I usually have trouble with, but I feel fine about now. Not sure why.

[Seanzie]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

[DrWilgy]

meh. Bedtime.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

[Seanzie]

*pokes thread with stick*

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

I'd love to play a game with you.

If I flip town you never get to read me ever again.

Wanna play?

[Seanzie]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

I'd love to play a game with you.

If I flip town you never get to read me ever again.

Wanna play?

Flipcup Neon edition as stated is currently one-sided, so the game theorist in me refuses to play. What do I get if I win?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

I'd love to play a game with you.

If I flip town you never get to read me ever again.

Wanna play?

Flipcup Neon edition as stated is currently one-sided, so the game theorist in me refuses to play. What do I get if I win?

I will inform everyone of your greatness and sheep you for all eternity

[Seanzie]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

I'd love to play a game with you.

If I flip town you never get to read me ever again.

Wanna play?

Flipcup Neon edition as stated is currently one-sided, so the game theorist in me refuses to play. What do I get if I win?

I will inform everyone of your greatness and sheep you for all eternity

Deal.

Everyone, we need to flip Neon.

[Seanzie]

[Dennis]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

Splints
This one is tough, kinda tr them all, but I'd go with Mata
Seanzie

First one is cause I think there's a difference check in epi/seanzie and I'm more confident in seanzie (see bottom)

Mata is just the lowest townread cause of lack of content. Also in Muppets they were like shining town in their first 4 posts and that isn't here, but I'm not holding that against them cause imagine having to do that

Between six and seanzie, they both kinda look bad to me. Six's vote in particular made me like genuinely gape because it was so vague, he hadn't expressed a suspicion on syn before, and as a newbie wolf it's just a way to place your vote for a miselim and hide in the crowd

Seanzie had a couple posts that really made me ick in D2 when they were fighting with epi, but this one in particular

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

Pretty much stabbed me in my heart and killed me. The way the last sentence reads to me is "someone's rejected my pockets they must die"

[Dennis]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

God it would have been so funny if no one answered this and I don't know why

But I think only seanzie did, so consider this a bump

[Dennis]

All right, time to head to bed.

Good night

[Dennis]

meh. Bedtime.

Good night

[Seanzie]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

Splints
This one is tough, kinda tr them all, but I'd go with Mata
Seanzie

First one is cause I think there's a difference check in epi/seanzie and I'm more confident in seanzie (see bottom)

Mata is just the lowest townread cause of lack of content. Also in Muppets they were like shining town in their first 4 posts and that isn't here, but I'm not holding that against them cause imagine having to do that

Between six and seanzie, they both kinda look bad to me. Six's vote in particular made me like genuinely gape because it was so vague, he hadn't expressed a suspicion on syn before, and as a newbie wolf it's just a way to place your vote for a miselim and hide in the crowd

Seanzie had a couple posts that really made me ick in D2 when they were fighting with epi, but this one in particular

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

Pretty much stabbed me in my heart and killed me. The way the last sentence reads to me is "someone's rejected my pockets they must die"

Idk man, you didn't see Epi come at me in Bike.

[Dennis]

*pokes thread with stick*

Ow you got it in my nose wtf dude how did you even do that

[Dennis]

Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post

[Dennis]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

Splints
This one is tough, kinda tr them all, but I'd go with Mata
Seanzie

First one is cause I think there's a difference check in epi/seanzie and I'm more confident in seanzie (see bottom)

Mata is just the lowest townread cause of lack of content. Also in Muppets they were like shining town in their first 4 posts and that isn't here, but I'm not holding that against them cause imagine having to do that

Between six and seanzie, they both kinda look bad to me. Six's vote in particular made me like genuinely gape because it was so vague, he hadn't expressed a suspicion on syn before, and as a newbie wolf it's just a way to place your vote for a miselim and hide in the crowd

Seanzie had a couple posts that really made me ick in D2 when they were fighting with epi, but this one in particular

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

Pretty much stabbed me in my heart and killed me. The way the last sentence reads to me is "someone's rejected my pockets they must die"

Idk man, you didn't see Epi come at me in Bike.

No I suppose not

How would you describe his game there, as I go and check it out

[Seanzie]

Anways, Epi is old news. @Dennis what are your thoughts on Neon, girl of the 21st century?

[Seanzie]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

Splints
This one is tough, kinda tr them all, but I'd go with Mata
Seanzie

First one is cause I think there's a difference check in epi/seanzie and I'm more confident in seanzie (see bottom)

Mata is just the lowest townread cause of lack of content. Also in Muppets they were like shining town in their first 4 posts and that isn't here, but I'm not holding that against them cause imagine having to do that

Between six and seanzie, they both kinda look bad to me. Six's vote in particular made me like genuinely gape because it was so vague, he hadn't expressed a suspicion on syn before, and as a newbie wolf it's just a way to place your vote for a miselim and hide in the crowd

Seanzie had a couple posts that really made me ick in D2 when they were fighting with epi, but this one in particular

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

Pretty much stabbed me in my heart and killed me. The way the last sentence reads to me is "someone's rejected my pockets they must die"

Idk man, you didn't see Epi come at me in Bike.

No I suppose not

How would you describe his game there, as I go and check it out

He went after LHF me in a wolfy way, which is what reminded me of this game, however I've kind of softened on this stance. I have my eye on him still, but there are some things this game that felt different than that game.

[Dennis]

Anways, Epi is old news. @Dennis what are your thoughts on Neon, girl of the 21st century?

She's been her normal self, nothing significant she's done really comes to mind except for that "explain votes" post

I don't know why, but I'm not entirely sure town Neon worries about that. Kinda weirded me out, but overall town

[Seanzie]

Anways, Epi is old news. @Dennis what are your thoughts on Neon, girl of the 21st century?

She's been her normal self, nothing significant she's done really comes to mind except for that "explain votes" post

I don't know why, but I'm not entirely sure town Neon worries about that. Kinda weirded me out, but overall town

Have you ever seen scum!Neon?

[Dennis]

Okay I just decided I actually don't want to read an entire other mafia game to see how wolf epi treated seanzie so I'll just take his word for it

[Dennis]

Anways, Epi is old news. @Dennis what are your thoughts on Neon, girl of the 21st century?

She's been her normal self, nothing significant she's done really comes to mind except for that "explain votes" post

I don't know why, but I'm not entirely sure town Neon worries about that. Kinda weirded me out, but overall town

Have you ever seen scum!Neon?

Yes, once in holes as town and once in tounge tied where I was her teammate

Holes she got elimmed after I was killed so I wasnt really reading to solve but I remember that game was a low mafia presence sorta game where none of the mafia did anything

Tounge tied she went all out on getting a miselim and omgus'd anyone who pushed back, which could be what comes from that "explain votes" post

Time will tell, I suppose

[Dennis]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

Splints
This one is tough, kinda tr them all, but I'd go with Mata
Seanzie

First one is cause I think there's a difference check in epi/seanzie and I'm more confident in seanzie (see bottom)

Mata is just the lowest townread cause of lack of content. Also in Muppets they were like shining town in their first 4 posts and that isn't here, but I'm not holding that against them cause imagine having to do that

Between six and seanzie, they both kinda look bad to me. Six's vote in particular made me like genuinely gape because it was so vague, he hadn't expressed a suspicion on syn before, and as a newbie wolf it's just a way to place your vote for a miselim and hide in the crowd

Seanzie had a couple posts that really made me ick in D2 when they were fighting with epi, but this one in particular

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

Pretty much stabbed me in my heart and killed me. The way the last sentence reads to me is "someone's rejected my pockets they must die"

Idk man, you didn't see Epi come at me in Bike.

No I suppose not

How would you describe his game there, as I go and check it out

He went after LHF me in a wolfy way, which is what reminded me of this game, however I've kind of softened on this stance. I have my eye on him still, but there are some things this game that felt different than that game.

So do you think you're LHF (or is he pushing someone else who is LHF that I forgot about)

[Dennis]

Oh yeah and the NK

I mean who doesn't kill SVS there

[fingersplints]

Sorry guys. Busier than expected today. Around some though if there are questions @ me

[fingersplints]

on the SVS kill - she’s a good player, but my instinct says this kill points to mata

Spoiler: show

This game state is the worst I've seen in a while.

2 town wagons. People being too busy telling each other how amazing they are to look at the actual game state and realize the thread is in shambles. Town probably already lost there's no cohesion

So that's cool.

I'd love to build a town core but this is all I got

DrWilgy
Neon
S~V~S
Syn

I'm pretty confident in this town core. I'd love to solve a game of mafia.

Let's talk @S~V~S you are either mafia caught for the wrong reasons early and your team came with a hard defense of you early that every other town bought into OR more likely you are just thread spewed town.

If you are mafia that will become so easily and readily apparent so I'm happy to assume you are town for now. IF we assume that you are town than do you think it's more likely that woofers pocketed the fuck out of you by defending you? Or that woofers sit in the extremely limited voices that dared question a post in a thread in a game of mafia?

I know which one I dare say the woofers are in. Somebody is pocketing you SVS. Who is it?



And let's talk about reading into a post made in the thread. It is my duty as a player in this game to analyze the content of the thread. I do not regret and will never apologize for reading into a post. I still find it odd. I still find the extremely overly enthusiastic defense of SVS from 75 angles at once odd.

OK, this is where I left off when I got in my car. I haven't read past this although I see there are quite a few posts.

Like I said, I also think you and Wilgy are town.

As for the pocketing, oh yeah, there was a whole lot of that going on. Everyone except you and syn, for sure, and I might give it to Lemon too. It was gratifying but I don't think I much took it into account.

This was my last reads post, changes/modifications in pink:

I want to thank everyone for all the pocketing, and since almost everyone did it, I feel refreshingly uninfluenced by it.

Some things so far have not changed for me. I lean civ on Neon. I lean more wolfy on syn than I did this AM, mainly for the stated desire to go after low posters on Day One. Those folks have the same odds of randing civ as any of us, and if they're town, force the woofs to NK them if they want to win. Or sort them later in the POE.

Otherwise, my only experience with syn is Party Crasher, which is no experience at all. I'm sure they got a better look at my game than I got at theirs. So I'm more likely to rely on the opinions of others re syn.

I am conflicted on syn. That is kinda wrapped up in Lemon for me. I searched her iso for 'Syn" and there were 31 results; of those about 10 were clear statements of "I townread Syn".

I am going to reread Splints, her posts seem a bit ... I dunno, following the crowd a bit? I am still feeling a bit squidgy about Splints. Not towncore, but not convinced of wolfiness.

I always think Dennis is bad, lol, but I'm warming up to his game here. @Dennis , I saw you posted on Splints, on the fact that she is posting at all being AI. What do you think of what she is saying? Dennis has moved to civ side for me

I saw Sixes reply, and I'm still processing it. It seemed sincere, but I'm not sure it answered my question. So not my likeliest vote as of now, but not my least likely either. I saw his response to my "?", but not sure I believed it

No real opinion on Falcon yet, I misread him alot when I first started playing with him so i'm fairly cautious about him, and i haven't found any hooks or tells that help me sort him as of yet. @Neon I would have to rely on your read here, and possibly Seans, as he always looks exactly the same to me

I feel pretty good about Sean, mainly tone, no other reason. He seems very laid back, relaxed. Not the same as he felt in GOC where we were bad teammates. Samesies

Epi had zero reason as a baddie to point out what he did about my reaction to a host post. He can fool me better than most, but as of now, as I said, I don't see why he would bother making the post he did if he was bad. Also same

Same for Wilgy, and his level of solve is good, and he isn't posting go along to get along opinions. I'm not as sure about Lemon as he is, I still think Lemon was sincere in his reasons for pushing me. Lemon doesn't know me, and in addition to being OG, I have always been a bit quixotic even back in the day. I learned my lesson about judging people based on stylistic differences in the Anni game. I am more conflicted on Lemon than I was, all those overt defenses of syn for pretty much 'vibes' ; I think I need to sort this out.

Mata is incredibly insightful, and i hope she brings some of that. @Matahari come play with us. I haven't read her more recent posts, but when she answered me earlier, I was not thoroughly reassured. Her answer re Splints was a bit slippery, but historically, Mata is a hard read for me.

Roxy is also a bit of a question mark for me; she graciously defended me, but I am looking forward to hearing her suspects, or her town, or her reads in general. I find she is very insightful and gets to the crux of the matter, without pulling any punches. I feel better about Roxy, her reads seemed genuine and she didn't seem to be pulling back.

At this stage, I most want to sort how I feel about Lemon/Syn. I personally suspected Syn more, but i also don't want him to feel 'mean girled' out of the thread. So if he really wants out, I'm OK with that. I would like to see what Neon is seeing re Syn to townread him, as I would think she has experience there where I don't .

I don't understand the case on Falcon; can someone explain it to me? Of the other people with votes, I won't be voting for Epi or Neon.

I think about people SVS knows who might feel threatened. I know it wasn’t me. Feeling fine with Rox atm. Epi doesn’t feel threatened lol

[fingersplints]

Feel better about falcon today. Particularly like this post.

Roxy

fingersplints
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy
Dennis

falcon45ca

SixStrings
Matahari

Neon

Epignosis

I'm not completely sure why Fingersplints ended up so high, but it is what it is. I'd like to see more from both SixStrings and Matahari because I feel like they are both pretty much null all this point.

Wait, what?



Why is fingers TR "is what it is"?



Why don't you question lemons placement as well?

Sean doesn’t look good IMO.
His comments yesterday about falcon and now this. I can be an easy miselim due to my low posting style, so this very much read as keeping it open to vote me just in case.

Also noting his null on Mata with the wanting to hear more from her

[fingersplints]

Feel better about falcon today. Particularly like this post.

Roxy

fingersplints
Lemonfairy

DrWilgy
Dennis

falcon45ca

SixStrings
Matahari

Neon

Epignosis

I'm not completely sure why Fingersplints ended up so high, but it is what it is. I'd like to see more from both SixStrings and Matahari because I feel like they are both pretty much null all this point.

Wait, what?



Why is fingers TR "is what it is"?



Why don't you question lemons placement as well?

Sean doesn’t look good IMO.
His comments yesterday about falcon and now this. I can be an easy miselim due to my low posting style, so this very much read as keeping it open to vote me just in case.

Also noting his null on Mata with the wanting to hear more from her

[fingersplints]

Who were the other vote getters last day? I’m sure someone’s posted it but I’m lazy

[Matahari]

happy Easter to everyone who celebrates today, and to everyone who celebrates next week (myself included)

@fingersplints thats fair, it’s the same thought I had when SVS was killed. I wouldn’t suspect Roxy for it, because we were both on a mafia team a few weeks back and one of the team wanted to kill Dennis or SVS on night one. Roxy and I both revolted, because it was Dennis’s first game and because SVS historically gets killed on night one. I would fight tooth and nail not to kill her night one, but you only have my word for it so, fair.
I do think someone who felt safe in the thread, but not bts, decided it was a good time to yeet her. While she wasn’t suspicious of them

@Dennis i feel your comment on Six. I don’t like suspecting new players, it took me forever to start feeling comfortable with decision making when I was new, and even now, returning to play when the game has changed so much. So maybe he is Town and really made himself finally commit with his vote. But I just couldn’t help feeling like his vote was a team pressured vote. That was my first reaction to it, so idk

@DrWilgy i haven’t made any trustworthy associations yet. There has been so much pocketing, or ‘you’re bad’ without a lot of explanation, everything has just been so black and white, and associations come from the subtle posting (gray areas). I have upended my GtH list though and I’m starting over. I am working on a POE, and I’ll post it later today.

just something I wanted to mention earlier, I really think that OG and NG can play this game together, even if solving styles are different. Just need to respect each other's differences, maybe?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Your tail is showing.

Last time you said this I flipped town. How many more until you realize your reads on me are just bad?

Or perhaps you are woofin?

You said this... emulating my town play. This game. Your tail is showing.

I'd love to play a game with you.

If I flip town you never get to read me ever again.

Wanna play?

Flipcup Neon edition as stated is currently one-sided, so the game theorist in me refuses to play. What do I get if I win?

I will inform everyone of your greatness and sheep you for all eternity

Deal.

Everyone, we need to flip Neon.

Sick

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anways, Epi is old news. @Dennis what are your thoughts on Neon, girl of the 21st century?

~~my name is going to be Zenon here to if I'm ever not in an active game lol~~

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh yeah and the NK

I mean who doesn't kill SVS there

Me

[SixStrings]

Ok, as I have established, I am still very new and as such have offered very little dialogue. Though my silence might bring on some suspicion, I have chosen to observe more than comment. I will readily admit I have been wrong more than right so far on my guesses between this game and last.
Here is my question, "what would be the main benefit of commenting on my own suspicions ? It seems if I were correct it would get me killed.

[Seanzie]

Oh yeah and the NK

I mean who doesn't kill SVS there

Me

I'd elim this.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh yeah and the NK

I mean who doesn't kill SVS there

Me

I'd elim this.

You'd elim me every game

[Lemonfairy]

ok I have a bit of time now

[Lemonfairy]

GTH. No sorting within groups.

S~V~S
Epignosis
Roxy

fingersplints

Lemonfairy
DrWilgy

falcon45ca
Neon
SixStrings

Dennis
Matahari

Syn

What have I done to earn a spot of there?

Somebody else had me up top too.

You're a polarized noob. Or I'm pocketing you. Your choice.

Don't know where to begin with this. I don't know what the first thing means. I suspect you and falcon, so I'm not in your pocket. I'm not choosing anything.

why? because Seanzie was defending falcon?
isn't that too obvious?

[Seanzie]

Oh yeah and the NK

I mean who doesn't kill SVS there

Me

I'd elim this.

You'd elim me every game

Only when you're a wolf.

[Lemonfairy]

The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

@Seanzie I don't think I saw an answer to this
you had Epi near the top of your reads so why the vote?

was it a change in read or just a "I don't like what you're doing now" vote?

[Lemonfairy]

A part of me wishes to applaud the lack of shits given regarding consistency.

Another part is dying to defenestrate you.

do you think this inconsistency is scummy?

[Lemonfairy]

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

oh so the previous list was more of a carry-over from your early reads?

[Lemonfairy]

I thought my overuse of quotation marks made it clear it wasn't that at all. Still, I found a connection between you and falcon. That's what it accomplished. You are hard against a dead falcon. I am not satisfied with your answers regarding why.

no, it wasn't very clear (at least not to me)
do you think this connection is worth anything though?

feels like you're picking at something that scum would be self-conscious about enough to avoid doing with a partner

[Lemonfairy]

although ig it's possible to hide behind a meta of "I always do this" but I still don't know if it's something to be concerned about

[Seanzie]

The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.

@Seanzie I don't think I saw an answer to this
you had Epi near the top of your reads so why the vote?

was it a change in read or just a "I don't like what you're doing now" vote?

Bike mafia was my first game on TS, and so while it was awhile ago (not long compared to OGs but whatever), I remember it well. This is actually reminding me a bit of it. I think perhaps I gave epi too much credit early on.

oh so the previous list was more of a carry-over from your early reads?

I feel like I already addressed this quite a bit, but it was a "I don't like what you're doing now" vote in regards to Epi pushing me and Falcon as a team. I thought more about it though, and decided that the parallels I was seeing between his game in Bike and his gam here were more tenuous than I was thinking yesterday, so Epi is not my main concern right meow.

[Lemonfairy]

Explain the 2 votes on me at start of day immediately

explain your vote on me yesterday
(and today)

my vote on you is because you didn't explain your vote on me yesterday
and Roxy and Dennis reminded me that's exactly what you did last game as wolf

[Lemonfairy]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

what about Neon?

[Lemonfairy]

So,

Who's the wolf between Epi, Splints?
Which one in Lemonfairy, Mata, Roxy?
And lastly which one in Dennis, SixStrings, or Seanzie?

You don't think the wolves could have double-stacked?

If they did it was on Neon I think. I still feel generally good about the people on the Syn wagon, with exception SixStrings.

you're telling me if wolves stack, it would be on the smaller counterwagon of 3 people instead of the leading wagon of 5 people?
I find that hard to believe