The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:23 am Dragon D. Luffy
MacDougall
nutella
speedchuck

Epignosis
gwilikers6
Kenway
Kites
Kylemii
Long Con
rundonwalk
sig

colonialbob
DrWilgy
Iron_Dwarf
lapluie
Marmot
Quin
sprityo

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If I am your enemy, what am I?

If I am between your shin and thigh, what am I?

Now put it all together...

A knee-jerk reaction?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:23 am Dragon D. Luffy
MacDougall
nutella
speedchuck

Epignosis
gwilikers6
Kenway
Kites
Kylemii
Long Con
rundonwalk
sig

colonialbob
DrWilgy
Iron_Dwarf
lapluie
Marmot
Quin
sprityo

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:48 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:38 amtargeted sig last night, giving him a +15% chance to kill the target, so he had a 90% chance to succeed. Anyways there’s a passive effect on my powers that will cause the person I targeted to be misdirected. But the only way that could have happened is if Colin was my long lost brother and Wilgy targeted him with a harmful action, but the chances it really happened are small.

if everything you're saying is true, and it would be weird if it wasn't since you alluded to this way back on day 0, wilgy probably really is your brother. I'm like 95% sure actually.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:24 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:20 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:04 am Have some opinions:

Good guys:

Spoiler: show

MacDougall, Kylemii, sig, lapluie, Kites

Bad guys:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay, rundontwalk

Being careful not to buddy me, I see.

You almost made the good pile.

Spoiler: show

But you didn't.

I wish I could be there for real. Is Bob even still hosting?

Nah, that's Drew Carey. He does a good job though.

Damn since 2007!

So how about that thing you did at the start.... with the jab at females being weak?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:24 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:18 am

Scout - Each even/odd/even night, you may track a player.
Harasser - Each odd/even/odd night, you may misdirect another player to a random player other than you, your target and your target's target. If this is impossible due to only those 3 players remaining in the game, you will misdirect your target onto himself.

Someone please explain to me what "even/odd/even night" and "odd/even/odd night" means.

Yes! We three Pegasi were informed which we were starting as on the first (Odd) night. nut and I were Harasser (odd) and Scout (even). Rabbit was the odd one out.

So what could rabbit do on his own? Nothing?

Rabbit was the Harraser (Even) and Scout (Odd) one.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:20 am O shit Bob is still alive!

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Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:18 am

Scout - Each even/odd/even night, you may track a player.
Harasser - Each odd/even/odd night, you may misdirect another player to a random player other than you, your target and your target's target. If this is impossible due to only those 3 players remaining in the game, you will misdirect your target onto himself.

Someone please explain to me what "even/odd/even night" and "odd/even/odd night" means.

Yes! We three Pegasi were informed which we were starting as on the first (Odd) night. nut and I were Harasser (odd) and Scout (even). Rabbit was the odd one out.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:04 am Have some opinions:

Good guys:

Spoiler: show

MacDougall, Kylemii, sig, lapluie, Kites

Bad guys:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay, rundontwalk

Being careful not to buddy me, I see.

You almost made the good pile.

Spoiler: show

But you didn't.

I wish I could be there for real. Is Bob even still hosting?

Scout - Each even/odd/even night, you may track a player.
Harasser - Each odd/even/odd night, you may misdirect another player to a random player other than you, your target and your target's target. If this is impossible due to only those 3 players remaining in the game, you will misdirect your target onto himself.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:04 am Have some opinions:

Good guys:

Spoiler: show

MacDougall, Kylemii, sig, lapluie, Kites

Bad guys:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay, rundontwalk

Being careful not to buddy me, I see.

Spoiler: show

But you didn't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:50 pm You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:39 pm Dear Quin,

I commented on lapluie already, that MK had a substantially lower rate of posts than this one, and that she had civilian BTSC in MK, which, in my experience, encourages activity.

I understand that lazy cases can be right. When I say lazy, I mean that there was little thought put into the accusation. For example, this game will eclipse Mortal Kombat's post count by Day 3. It shouldn't take much to consider that keeping up with 424 posts per phase is easier than keeping up with 1,160 posts per phase.

So when I say 3J is being "lazy," I mean it looks like he's putting a lot of effort into suspecting people, but so many of his points can be dismissed with easy counterarguments. And he's gunning for what I consider to be lynches hardly anybody is going to argue against. I find that problematic.

I understand, but if her low activity isn't suspicious, there's still something in disappearing off the face of the earth that's inherently noteworthy. She did say that she wasn't here because of moving and getting internet set up, so I no longer think it's a worthwhile argument to be made, but that's in hindsight. I don't blame anyone for making the point. Earlier I said that lapluie is using her struggle to get involved in the game as a crutch. What do you think about that?

I'll ask again too, do you think 3J is neglecting to make thoughtful arguments?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:37 am

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:15 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Iron Dwarf is reading.

Jeez, a tad overdefensive, aren't you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:37 am

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:15 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Iron Dwarf is reading.

Jeez, a tad overdefensive, aren't you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:41 pmmore juicy cases.

The problem with your mindset is here.

I understand it; I don't fault you for it; it's okay.

I didn't see a single juicy case on Days 1 or 2. The juiciest case I felt existed was my own case on Dr. White, until it was no longer juicy. I maintain that Day 2 was barely better than an extension of Day 2. No lynches are garbage unless they provide conclusive alignment intelligence on the player who didn't die. Y'all can exchange your juicy cases as much as you like, but I think they've been crap. I am now being subject to one of them.

Civilians are bad at this.

This game has been, until recently as I have faded to the background and dunya was replaced, a hurricane. Mafia members can't keep up as easily with a hurricane as civilians. So lynch a slacker. I say it every game these days when they move anywhere near this quickly. Nobody listens to me. I've nearly always been right. Mortal Kombat was an arguable exception, though the civilians were blind in the end of that one to some obvious tells anyway. Because they're bad at this.

Easy targets? You're damned right. That means nothing about alignment. Lynching me instead is objectively foolish under these conditions when such a long game is ahead of us for various other possibilities to show themselves (I manage to clear myself as I often seem to, the mafia kill me for you, or a mafia flip qualifies reads on me beyond terrible meta reads which have no bearing on reality). If I had more fire, I might argue it harder. I don't.

Later in the phase I'll give more useful reads. I'm letting this day phase develop mostly without me.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:41 pm For fuck's sake. I'M NOT MAFIA.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:46 pm Please fucking listen to me

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:48 pm I am absolutely gutted if I am the only one in this thread still.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:50 pm I'm going to tell you right now. I can forgive people for making the wrong choice. That's just how the game works.

I can't forgive people leaving the thread behind with 20 minutes to spare when I am still here.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:51 pm Absolute crickets. Unbelievable.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:52 pm Congratulations, mafia.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:54 pm I guess this isn't surprising. I am always terrified of the idea of making it to a final LyLo as a civilian because I am by default a tinfoil magnet just for being me. This is the second time this shit has happened to me this year.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:58 pm My final answer is Hotel for mafia. This guy does fuck all for the entire LyLo, returns to the thread and basically concedes, and now he's probably going to win.

Sometimes this game is truly infuriating.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:05 pm I tried the best I could. Sorry civs.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:37 am

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:15 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:25 pm I agree with Kenway. sig is trying to make it out like he was misdirected, but he isn't misdirectable, right? Both Pegasus Knights tracked last night, am I missing another way... or am I wrong about how the rules surrounding this work?

Lynch all liars, right? sig, can you explain what I'm missing here?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:32 pm OK WHAT 2 people are dead.??

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:05 am Other points:

- The end phase was as someone else said a hilarious 'clown fiesta'. So many people constantly switchting votes around.
- This makes me suspicious of Epi. He was one of the main instigators of this. He switched a lot. And he had some sort of theory on DDL and Dr. White but then not really sticking to it.
- JJJ was also constantly switching around to low hanging fruit, people who have few posts which can be related to anything (such as this thread having 85 pages now )
- nutella remains her opportunistic self and follows whatever vote seems fashionable.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:56 pm I'm serious about this.

If you want me to answer a question, don't mention me with a tag. Just ask. I'll see your question as I read and get to it eventually.

It isn't a game-related thing. I hate the tags (for mafia games), because I can't reply to them. Please don't mention me if you want to hear from me, because I have to quote your post if you want me to respond to you, and quoting a post with a mention tag in it is nightmare for me.

Quin, I did see your question though, and I'll respond when I can.

Remove the @ from the post you are quoting and the glitches will disappear.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:47 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:47 am I unfortunately don't have an opinion on colonialbob. I have not paid any attention to him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:46 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:39 am To be frank:

Most of the time, civilians are terrible at understanding what is suspicious behavior without objective information present to guide the hunt (flips, actions, etc). I am not great at it either. On Day 1, which is where we still are essentially, I don't object to lynching someone with a lack of civilian credit. A lot of people who have said suspicious things have also said things I think look good.

The more posts you have, the more opportunities you have to say something that someone else won't like. Oh well.

Unless someone is a glaring, awful look, I am not inclined to lynch an active player if I can see any civilian light when there's a less active player (especially in a busy-ass game where I'd expect mafia to fall behind more than civilians) who can be lynched instead. Is it easy? Sure. Is it safe? Sure. Is it a valid philosophy which I have lived by in many civilian games throughout my long Mafia life? Yeah.

BOGUS

We are not at Day 1. You keep saying that. We're at Day 2 and every civilian in this game got the chance to use a power. Every single one. I made sure that happened.

So you can talk about how there's no objective information if you want to. Every civilian got a shot.

That you should call this Day 1 Part 2 is bogus. It's Day 2. Mafia killed. Civilians got their actions in.

You are so bad.

I'm drinking and can you please restate why he's bad? Simple simon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:39 am To be frank:

Most of the time, civilians are terrible at understanding what is suspicious behavior without objective information present to guide the hunt (flips, actions, etc). I am not great at it either. On Day 1, which is where we still are essentially, I don't object to lynching someone with a lack of civilian credit. A lot of people who have said suspicious things have also said things I think look good.

The more posts you have, the more opportunities you have to say something that someone else won't like. Oh well.

Unless someone is a glaring, awful look, I am not inclined to lynch an active player if I can see any civilian light when there's a less active player (especially in a busy-ass game where I'd expect mafia to fall behind more than civilians) who can be lynched instead. Is it easy? Sure. Is it safe? Sure. Is it a valid philosophy which I have lived by in many civilian games throughout my long Mafia life? Yeah.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:34 am Your reasons for all of them are lazy though. Quin not engaging anyone "substantively?" lapluie not "hitting the ground running here like she did in MK?"

Lazy work. I do not believe you are a civilian, sir.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

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Do you have a reason to believe Quin and lapluie are civilians?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:32 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:28 am JJJ's pets so far:

Quin
Iron Dwarf
Dr. White
lapluie

Somebody tell me he isn't going for easy, early lynches.

I would agree at least that Iron_Dwarf and lapluie are "easy". I don't care. Easy and civilian aren't synonymous. Sometimes mafia members are easy to lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:30 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:15 amYou said my exercise had applications. What did you get out of it?

I got close to nothing out of it. It wasn't my thing. If it had been my thing and something I was personally invested in overseeing, I may have prodded specific people about their specific reads as they pertained to their don choices -- similar to the general question you asked, but pointed at specific names, incessantly, and constantly. I don't think the relationship need exist that you imply (I think you imply?), but it's a question which can still produce interesting answers.

As you portrayed it, whether you intended it or not, the result was a waning of the trust enjoyed by dunya and I, and essentially no effect to people who had civilian reads on us. If the latter are the point of contention, then the former shouldn't have become the focus of the discussion.

To be frank, I think the value of the exercise was best seen during it, and the "results" were about as meaningful as gun-to-head reads exercise results would be on Day 0.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:29 am May I just remind everybody I'm currently on the block and afaik we're still waiting on a comprehensive case against me?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 am @nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 am I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

Very little. I said I would draft dunya and I didn't suspect her at all. I said I would draft you, Mr. 3rd Place, and until now I haven't asked significant questions.

Draft choices and thread-borne suspicions do need to be related. Why should they be?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:05 am That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Tell me what you've done with that thing since you initially posted the "results".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:02 am I'll build a basic case on Epignosis:

His exercise had potential, but in the end was not used to its potential. The primary message still ended up surrounding the players who were named the most frequently. This is meaningless given the conditions of the choices are very different for X civilian responding to Epignosis in the game thread and Y mafia don responding to Jack behind the scenes. His own picks were fake. dunya said hers probably weren't representative of what she'd really do. I doubt my picks are either. With more time to think about it -- clearly as would be possible and prudent in the real scenario -- the choices are more strategic and nuanced. I suspect this applies to numerous civilians.

The don, whoever it is, could have chosen literally anyone. There's no good reason to clear people based on this premise, and there's no good reason to suspect people based on this premise. He didn't follow up much at all on the angle that had potential -- demanding reasons for civilians on drafted players from the drafters.

His role ability was to prevent a lynch. I believe this. He said himself that he thought he was threatened and used it early given that he might not have time to use it later. This leaves room for him to have saved himself, at least by intention, as a mafioso. The civilian possibility is as real as the mafia possibility, but it's a bad reason to give him credit.

He is now shitting in my Corn Flakes for going after "easy targets" all the while casting suspicion upon the guy who says whatever the hell he wants in every post. RDW makes himself an easy target by design, and it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a mafioso try to capitalize on that. It was a common mistake in RYM games. Anyone who wants to cast suspicion on RDW wouldn't struggle to find ways of doing so in his posts, because his posts are all over the place. They are always all over the place.