The Syndicate

I've done all I feel is necessary here this phase.

My wife's birthday is today, and we're enjoying the rest of that.

Yeah, I'm going to pass on reading your Dom stuff.

I don't make constant reference to yours either.

I will if you stop using four posts when one will do.

I don't have an opinion on them because I haven't read them yet. I skimmed them. I didn't figure there would be a quiz, or I thought you'd change your mind by the time I got to them. I'll look over them when I am able.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:50 pm I am ok with nl sure

just curious what epi thinks of my Dom thoughts if he ends up giving them a fair shot

Which thoughts? Your posts run the gamut of all possible thoughts and even impossibilities.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:36 pm His link was dead.

What link?

Well in any event, I'm going to bed. Tata. Dreams within dreams within dreams.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:49 pm I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two

Pawns argument against me was one that I could in no way dispute, and not even because there are no previous thread to allude to.

Notice that Pawn made no move against me until I made one against him. Then he came up with this "Well I've been thinking about the Nanook kill more and more."

BULLSHIT.

Lynch him please.

I don't agree, but I don't object.

If you want to have a go at Radishes, I won't object.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:24 pm I am at work, and unable to post much. I have meeting coming up soon (that includes a 50-slide Power Point about how to have a meeting ), but...

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:34 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:26 am but i mean yeah your logics a bit weird

wouldnt keeping him alive to keep sussing the towncore sow suspicion on its own?

why would scum assume people would even remember nooks reads
Yes, but Nook was relatively low impact in the thread so he probably wouldn't make much progress and might even be convinced to change his mind. Better to go for the guarantee rather than a gamble.

Because it's good town play to look back at those who died to try and divine the intent as to why they died. Since there is always a discernible reason behind a scum nightkill. The trick is actually figuring it out. Plus remembering the reads of one of 14 other players is far easier than that of 29 other players. Especially since scum could potentially just point it out themselves in thread as a reason why Nook could have been a silencing kill. So there's a fair chance that town would easily remember the reads or scum would just state it themselves.

I'm basically assuming that Epi is scum based off this as I read into the kill more and more. If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view, which fits my mental image of Epi's style and even is something he has stated in previous days.
...this is rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

First, the qualifiers indicate someone who knows what he is saying is rubbish. "Basically assuming" is equivocal language. "As I read into the kill more and more" is a vague way to make it sound as though this perspective bears credibility. It doesn't. This is an attempt to appear analytical. The little lecture that precedes the accusation rings hollow.

Second, Pawn, who knows nothing about me and has no prior experience with me, suggests that he can correctly peg me specifically as killing Nanook. Nonsense. In fact, if you remember, Nanook was among my top suspects coming into Day 2. From my perspective, the incessant posts begging for credit for lynching Dragomir looked too on the nose. If I were mafia, I would have been confident I could have gathered support for a Nanook lynch. No- Nanook would not have been in my top ten choices for a kill.

Third, the accusation is empty. Any victim could be a "methodical" choice for the Night kill. What makes the Nanook kill specifically a methodical choice (as opposed to, say, an Evenstar kill or a Pawn kill)? The accusation is based on multiple assumptions that don't even support it.

Fourth, the basis for this accusation against me is at present non-falsifiable. "If I'm right this is a kill that came at it from a methodical view" is nothing that can be proved or disproved until endgame.

This is rubbish.

This is my view on Pawn, iaafr. Let everyone be the judge of it.

I still think Pawn is evil. That shit against me last phase was bullshit, and he knows it. Lynch him to death.

iaafr, what do you need from us? What would you like from us?

I know nothing about Fire Emblem except that Kirby kicks all their asses.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:28 pm How'd the three of them get down there and why are we still here?
Somebody who is a wolf went into somebody’s dream and the ones that aren’t a wolf went there subconsciously to stop the wolf. We’re here having a picnic in the artic.

How confident are you on that? Scale of Marth to Ike?

Jesus was I wasted when I saw this movie.

How'd the three of them get down there and why are we still here?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 pm Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?
Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?
I'm not. If I had to gamble, I'd say they're all good.
Then what the fuck are they doing not here?

Having a picnic in the arctic?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 pm Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?
Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?

I'm not. If I had to gamble, I'd say they're all good.

I still think Evenstar (she pisses me off so much) is a civilian. I hold to that.

If ColinIsCool is up there, I think he is too.

Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:07 pm If this is where we are, then I think our time now should be spent coaching iaafr on our opinions of others. iaafr, please record our views so you have them.

Let's ruin the mafia.

Beware of Jack though since he's mafia and will likely mislead you.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:08 pm i want to change my user title to mayor of gaytown

So long as I can be the Gayor of Maytown.

Personally, I still want 112 and LadyLambdaDelta lynched. Those are the top two suspects that come to my mind.

If this is where we are, then I think our time now should be spent coaching iaafr on our opinions of others. iaafr, please record our views so you have them.

Let's ruin the mafia.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:01 pm Sure, didn't do it last night but I'll do it this phase

Thanks. I appreciate that.

I don't like causing people emotional distress. I believe our Day 2 conversation spiraled out of control but didn't mean to. I'll leave it at that.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:55 pm that is what I have projected wanting, yes.

My only request is that you copy and paste my Dragomir interactions when you get wherever it is you are going. Will you do that if I vote for you?

Actually, I'm fine voting iaafr if that's what iaafr wants. I gave you enough shit. Tell me what you want me to do, and it shall be done.

I'm fine voting iaafr if that is the will of the council.

I'm not talking about that thing anymore. All I want to know is what you gentlemen want to do.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:49 pm yea I consider that a gross angleshoot but whatever

Yikes.

For Jack. Not anime of Jack. That would be awful and might involve tentacles.

We may well be in a realm without stupid girls where we can drink beer* and make fart jokes** and watch sports.***

*Or Kool-Aid for iaafr

**Or jokes about straight people for Dom

***Or anime of Jack

For example: If you do not believe what happens in here is a straight up lynch, then there is no reason to go about spending our time being accusatory.

But if you believe this is a lynch, then we need to be accusatory and go from there.

Dom, that's why I'm asking for everyone's interpretations. If we can even somewhat parse what the setup is based on the information we have, then we might save ourselves some time, headache, and blood pressure medication.

If that is the will of the council, I will vote iaafr.

If the interpretation is that the person voted for goes back up, I nominate iaafr.

I don't think that game description is worded accurately. What I would like is for each of you to tell me what you think it means.

That would give us some idea on how to proceed.

File this under "Don't put it on the Internet if you don't want us to see it."

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/JaggedJi ... e-history/

Date: Feb 2015

Moderators: JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei

Winning faction: Scum

[deleted]: this was a great game. i think there were 20 or 25 players total. it basically went so that a handful players went into a "lower-level thread" each day and after 5 days they all went back to the the higher level thread. each thread would lynch one person, the top-level lynchee would die and the other ones would just go back to a lower thread. look, it sound more complicated than it really was. town was doing really well for a while but ultimately the wheels fell off and scum got the win. rdw was a rogue doing weird shit. there were a lot of posts. so many posts. i somehow figured out monkeyballs was scum but couldnt get anyone to believe me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm
Epi, Rorschach is a villain.
Greatest hero of all time.
“No compromise, even in the face of armageddon” is a rather libertarian point of view, isn’t it?

I didn't call him a Libertarian. I called him a hero.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:07 pm to articulate one of the things I find scummy about Dom, it feels like he's forcing a lot of his suspicions and among the people he suspects, he views everything they do in as bad a light as possible (me, sprityo, Eva, pawn at the points he had his sights on us respectively) in a way that reads to me as scum shading more than organic suspicion

but yeah that's not really substantive enough to sus him hard on

will case later tonight, as I've said

That's Dom, mate.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm are there any scum indicative signals you expect from scum Dom that have shown up or stayed absent?

No. Dom looks good to me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for
If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.
find it quite amusing this is your biggest complaint about the setup so far in contrast with my complaints

This is my one complaint, yes- if true. I don't know if it's true.

You made a career out of complaining.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:01 pm >calls something a waste of time in a forum mafia game he signed up for

If all we are doing is sending people back "up" then, yes, I find that a waste of my time.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:54 pm why is Dom town again, epi?

I have my own reasons but I waver on them. would like you to restate yours sometime.

His role says so?

That's the why.

If you mean "Why do I think that," then it would be more difficult to explain. I think Dom and I have both matured in ways the two of us can appreciate, and I think we have more in common than either of us would admit. I simply see that coming to fruition in Mafia. I think Dom and I think similarly- we just reach different conclusions (see how he and I still had different opinions of you and Radishes, for instance, even though we agreed quite a bit about things).

Dom does not feel manipulative.

That said, nobody needs to be manipulative if Jack is right about the setup.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.
it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.
I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.
Why are you so sure of how this works?
For real?

The entire point of inception is a group of people (let’s call them “the mafia”) go into a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream and change Killian Murphy’s mind. Meanwhile, someone is left at every level to “kick” the rest of the team, waking them up at the correct time.

D1, we lynched Drago and it said he woke up and he flipped. For those of us who recently watched the movie, this would be the “rainy van chase dream level.”

D2 we descended to a new dream level. Let’s call it “the hotel dream level.” We lynched presumably Nova and the mafia nightkilled presumably Nanook but they didn’t flip. They were “kicked.” I assume (and Colin said the same early yesterday) this means they were kicked awake back to the first dream level, back to the original thread.

D3 we descended to dream level 3 which we can call “the artic base dream level,” again leaving players behind. We seemingly lynched Colin or Pawn (I missed this bit, which might be why my chart is confusing) and the other was nightkilled. Again, they were described as “kicked,” not “woken up” and in theory have now woken up in the 2nd/hotel dream level.

D4, we have not changed threads. We’re still at the artic base while several players disappeared. It is very likely they went to “limbo” the final dream level.

Now. There is a wolf in limbo. The mafia’s goal (at least in the movie) is to send someone to limbo and do a thing. And there’s probably a wolf here based on us having a lynch (except I have since realized there is a no lynch option so there’s a chance to have no wolves here I guess.

So my chart was an attempt to figure out who might have gone to limbo and who didn’t because there’s at least one wolf in limbo. But we actually know it’s Eva, Radishes, Sprityo.

So that’s what I was trying to say and that’s why I think I have 3 lives. I think we all do. Death sends us from the artic to the hotel, again from the hotel to the rainy chase scene and once more to wake up and flip, leaving the game.

That's fun, but boy oh boy is that huge waste of my goddamn precious time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm
Epi, Rorschach is a villain.

Greatest hero of all time.

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