The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:38 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.

I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

I also don't think Roxy/SVS is the team off this, so add that to my unpairings list. If Roxy is a wolf this looks like Roxy is pivoting to be okay with town SVS dying but without really wanting to get her hands dirty. The teammate version of this would have some shade.

My unpairings list that I'm pretty confident in (I gave reasoning earlier):
SVS/Falcon
Abi/Falcon
Roxy/Abi
Roxy/SVS

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing

Why is that convincing to you?

What do you think about a possible Roxy-Abi team?

How about you talk to me about what you see in such a pairing.

Well, it's stuff I already brought up earlier. Roxy's weird EoD vote for Abi, and Abi saying that she hadn't seen it and didn't really care. But I also have a Roxy-S~V~S team idea lingering, given roxy's treatment of the S~V~S suspicion. But that's more teamy stuff.

What's fresh and individual? How about falcon? Twice he has made a push against me with some half-baked notions about my posts.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:07 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:06 pm I can't even make a good legacy d1. If I live to d2/d3 I will have a lot better reads like I do literally every town game.

Who is my partner? @Epignosis @falcon45ca

I'd say PA or JJJ poss LC.

That's just me spit-balling FYI.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:20 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:52 am Last game she was ride-or-die on Ruri, who ended up winning for the Wolf team. But Abi was Town. When has she been a Wolf?

I don't think I've actually played with wolf Abi but I've seen a couple wolf games on her MU database profile.

I've played a few with her, and I've hosted her. She goes out of her way to avoid teammates imo. When I hosted her, she bussed a teammate, and she barely went to chat. She pretty much ghosted Wilgy iirc. If I'm wrong she'll tell me, and I don't want to go find the chatroom. Only the first game I played where she was wolf do i recall her playing her thread game any different, she mostly posted gifs, ot and , meaning more so than usual, that was ALL she posted.

I don't see either of those here. I have seen her have very very strong townreads for her own reasons that she aggro defends. Sometimes shes right, sometimes she's not. But I don't see her wasting her biggest town tell on a small game like this one.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing

Why is that convincing to you?

What do you think about a possible Roxy-Abi team?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:56 pm If you're asking me, I don't go after teams. It's always one Day at a time.

Why tho? It's the interaction between them that makes me suspicious, so the suspicion can't be individualized, and I don't think that makes it into something you are unable to consider.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:53 pm I'm here to move my vote. [VOTE: PA] aubergine.

I could only skim a few things.

I'm not mafia, so PA's vote is empty and nothing was done with it as far as I could tell.

I don't have a good reason to think moto is good, so I'm fine with the votes there.

S~V~S voting for someone on the basis of "not because I think this person is bad" is not what I would associate with good S~V~S, so I'm fine with the votes there.

If you approve of those other votes, why not place one along with them? We have less than five minutes to discuss Abigail as an option.

I owe this an answer.

First, I wanted to see what anyone might do last minute.

Second, I didn't want Thunal to be the "alternative" to anybody, so I took my vote off and moved it elsewhere.

moto didn't need anymore help getting lynched, so I didn't go there.

So you suspected Moto too?
I must be the only one to have found them not suspicious enough for a elim.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:21 pm I'm clear.

I don't kill JJJ N1.

I'd rather fool him if I'm mafia.

You are not clear. At least in my mind

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:27 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:10 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:07 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:53 am

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

Meant the chart.

How do you read SVS interpretation of your post bump?



More towny than not IMO

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:20 pm RIP JJJ

That was some fun after-buzzer Roxy time.

What after buzzer *shit*.

I voted before the poll closed, was lucky enough to squeeze in my posts before the thread was locked.
What were you jealous?
Sorry I said I thought Moto was prob at school and I never got the suspicion on them. It was extremely weak like runny mashed potatoes.

Was I supposed to follow you blindly? I must have missed that memo.

Not much time today I'll do what I can.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:00 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:00 am I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

it's sad you just pick the lowest poster to take out. Really the easiest option as you will not have to defend your vote for Moto bc they probs won't have too much time to respond (I think they are in school?)

I do expect more from you than this tbh.

I absolutely don't care what people "expect" from me. My win condition is not to make the most impressive vote. It is to make the right vote. I have no reason to view motobot as a civilian.

But, but I like being impressed by you and your town game.
I'm not just a Mom I am a YaYa so my expectations for you young'uns has grown with my age.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:24 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

Well, the Epi vote was jokes, and Epi was only rehashing what I had said on Day 1 when I was voting for S~V~S. The moto vote sucked, it's true.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:07 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:53 am

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:49 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:46 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:34 pm fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

Where?

Like his EoD1 when he moved his vote and start of d2 posts. I remember him being more one-dimensional and forced in his pushes when I was wolf with him and I similarly caught him one game from spec (the one where he was wolf with Delta idk the name). Here he has more willingness to reevaluate and try new directions.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:15 pm I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:15 pm I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:56 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:44 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:17 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 pm Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

Do you believe in explaining why you're voting Epignosis?

Do you believe in reading my posts?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:04 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:45 pm Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

Why are you voting me?

Because it amuses me to do so.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:45 pm Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:44 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:17 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 pm Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:36 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:35 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:17 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 pm Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Can you give a tldr on why you sus Epi?

Progression bad entry to today bad posts unmemorable reads on Epi bad and stagnant

Wheeeee

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:21 pm I'm clear.

I don't kill JJJ N1.

I'd rather fool him if I'm mafia.

lol, I think I remember you going for kills that make the game a challenge when we were wolves together so I can believe this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:53 pm I'm here to move my vote. [VOTE: PA] aubergine.

I could only skim a few things.

I'm not mafia, so PA's vote is empty and nothing was done with it as far as I could tell.

I don't have a good reason to think moto is good, so I'm fine with the votes there.

S~V~S voting for someone on the basis of "not because I think this person is bad" is not what I would associate with good S~V~S, so I'm fine with the votes there.

If you approve of those other votes, why not place one along with them? We have less than five minutes to discuss Abigail as an option.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:53 am

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:32 pm Hmmm, nvm, looks as tho you were discussing Thunal v SVS





Why not vote moto then?

Oh cool you realized that

Probably should have answered the question

Primarily the fact Epi was wolfier

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:21 am ^ actual footage of Epi right now

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:40 pm I'm exhausted because Epi's here

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:38 pm I'm oscillating between needing to be tryhard and really show my towniness because I'm going to be voted d1 and not actually believing I'm going to be voted d1.