[WOLF WIN] Bread Mafia 2024

[Long Con]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

[Epignosis]

Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

[Epignosis]

One fuck up left.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

[Epignosis]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

Do you believe in explaining why you're voting Epignosis?

[Long Con]

Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

[Epignosis]

Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

Why are you voting me?

[Long Con]

No problem, Princess.

This post was extra funkadelic in that it came a couple of minutes AFTER the 5pmEST deadline. Not complaining, I'm all for a little free-wheelin'.

I voted Pa

Her vote was odd, and the only vote I cannot follow the logic.

I'm in the middle of YaYaLand this is all the time I have. Did not read back on SVS, for total honesty

I just thought it might be relevant to you.

[Long Con]

Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

Why are you voting me?

Because it amuses me to do so.

[Epignosis]

Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

Why are you voting me?

Because it amuses me to do so.

That's perfectly valid.

[Long Con]

I can't even make a good legacy d1. If I live to d2/d3 I will have a lot better reads like I do literally every town game.

Who is my partner? @Epignosis @falcon45ca

I'd say PA or JJJ poss LC.

That's just me spit-balling FYI.

So, we're talking Thunal, JJJ, PC, and maybe LC as Wolves.

But like, don't take it too seriously.

I believe croutons would be appropriate for that salad, give4n the theme.

[Long Con]

Killing JJJ Night 1 is basic bitch shit.

Who is basic?

I ain't gonna be the one to answer that.

Why are you voting me?

Because it amuses me to do so.

That's perfectly valid.

It was either mind-meld or have a stroke for that post.

[Epignosis]

I don't think Long Con is mafia.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

Do you believe in explaining why you're voting Epignosis?

Do you believe in reading my posts?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

No problem, Princess.

This post was extra funkadelic in that it came a couple of minutes AFTER the 5pmEST deadline. Not complaining, I'm all for a little free-wheelin'.

I voted Pa

Her vote was odd, and the only vote I cannot follow the logic.

I'm in the middle of YaYaLand this is all the time I have. Did not read back on SVS, for total honesty

I just thought it might be relevant to you.

Oh right I did see that lol

[Epignosis]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

Do you believe in explaining why you're voting Epignosis?

Do you believe in reading my posts?

There's nothing to read. It's either gifs or nonsense.

[Epignosis]

I love being so good at this game.

[falcon45ca]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Can you give a tldr on why you sus Epi?

Progression bad entry to today bad posts unmemorable reads on Epi bad and stagnant

Wheeeee

Hmmmm...what reads do you have beyond Epi? You've had a bee in your bonnet on his slot since the start, no?

[falcon45ca]

I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

[Epignosis]

I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.

[Epignosis]

My top suspects are PA and SVS. I am wary of Thunal.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think this is mafia.

[Epignosis]

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

[Long Con]

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s[/ vote]

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.] aubergine

[Long Con]

Welp

[Long Con]

Plus she came in and posted but didn't respond to any of the S~V~S talk from before. Town bear would counter every point.

[Thunal33]

OK, so i expected to be dead yesterday, last time I looked in here I was ahead, so i really didn't read much since I last posted. Will do this evening.

Had I come back in, I might have switched to Moto, or I might have stayed becasue I still don't (if she explained it better I haven't seen it yet) get the logic of Thunals vote for me. I would guess that made her the least null of my nulls, since at that point almost everyone was a null or a few town reads. I will be in and out of here tonight, working tomorrow, but off until tuesday after that.

No, there isn’t a better explanation because I was looking for some scumread that made sense and I remembered that in some game you tried to prevent my wagon without townreading me but I didn’t know which game. I found it (Sesame Street) and I realized you had townread me there more than you let on and that was clear later. Also that read on me is not what you said yesterday, you said you didn’t think I was bad because I would have come up with a better explanation.

@S~V~S I wanted to expand on this. You never said I was the 'least null of your nulls" or really had any indication you suspected me even a little. All you did was have me null and then say my push was probably not bad me. When did you feel that I was slightly below null?

[Thunal33]

fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

[Long Con]

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.

I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

Roxy agreed it was a good point but still threw the EoD vote to Abi. I have a half-formed Roxy-Abi team in my head because Abi avoided Roxy voting her until I quoted it directly. Could be a teammate-vote from Roxy for distancing.

[S~V~S]

OK, so i expected to be dead yesterday, last time I looked in here I was ahead, so i really didn't read much since I last posted. Will do this evening.

Had I come back in, I might have switched to Moto, or I might have stayed becasue I still don't (if she explained it better I haven't seen it yet) get the logic of Thunals vote for me. I would guess that made her the least null of my nulls, since at that point almost everyone was a null or a few town reads. I will be in and out of here tonight, working tomorrow, but off until tuesday after that.

No, there isn’t a better explanation because I was looking for some scumread that made sense and I remembered that in some game you tried to prevent my wagon without townreading me but I didn’t know which game. I found it (Sesame Street) and I realized you had townread me there more than you let on and that was clear later. Also that read on me is not what you said yesterday, you said you didn’t think I was bad because I would have come up with a better explanation.

I know it isn't what i said yesterday, I was talking about hypothetically had I come back. I might have moved to Moto since tbh I just played/watched 2 games where the baddie sent in kills but didn't post. I've always been sympathetic to super low posters in the past but meh. I might also have stayed on you since you were still the least null of my reads since I had actively made them. I still think you would have made a better effort at a suspicion than what you did if you were bad, but I also. thinking back on it, think you would have, I don't want to say "done better", but I'm not sure how to put it, had better reasoning if town as well. Unless it was just gut, which I respect, 90% of my susses are mainly gut. But you didn't say that.

In any case, I read and modified. As we do.

You almost made me sound fangirly (which after Se7en, not gonna lie, I kinda am at times) like I'm gonna defend you when I don';t town read you. Not fangirly about that lol.

[S~V~S]

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

[S~V~S]

I'm clear.

I don't kill JJJ N1.

I'd rather fool him if I'm mafia.

lol, I think I remember you going for kills that make the game a challenge when we were wolves together so I can believe this.

I think you got kind of mad at me for that.

lol, I think I sometimes get too caught up in “proper” play.

I think Scotty and I nearly killed you in Lasso. Sorry about that. I bet you felt like a nanny.

[S~V~S]

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

I'm not tired, it's just this is the end of month at work, it falls on a Saturday so long week, and long days with no lunch, plus I'm catsitting this week. I'm just busy. And tbh I didn't actively suspect anyone, so why not? Also Thunal is a rock star; I made that vote 12 hrs before EOD. If she couldn't get out of that, she would deserve to be yeeted.

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s] aubergine

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.

Roxy said she had to read back on me and she hadn't yet. I am not sure where this noble thing is coming from. Unless you had a recent epiphany on how you read me, like I did on you, you always suspect me for perceived slickness, not lack of nobility. The last place I would expect this argument from is you, and I'm weirdly somewhat flattered that you made it. That and i am still salty about my schedule being used against me. WTF?

Also, fixed your brackets

AND gotta go get ready for work. I will be back in about 12 hours since catsitting, but will be home tonight and all day tomorrow.

[S~V~S]

Also @Epignosis one more thing; how would being tired make any difference as to my alignment? If I'm tired, I'm tired. Now bye.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Now that we're mind-meld buddies, maybe you should read end of day.

I don't believe in back reading

Do you believe in explaining why you're voting Epignosis?

Do you believe in reading my posts?

There's nothing to read. It's either gifs or nonsense.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Believe it or not my gifs accomplish the same thing as typing words

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Voting Epi btw

What do you think of Roxy's vote?

*shrugs* didn't really read EoD if I'm honest

Can you give a tldr on why you sus Epi?

Progression bad entry to today bad posts unmemorable reads on Epi bad and stagnant

Wheeeee

Hmmmm...what reads do you have beyond Epi? You've had a bee in your bonnet on his slot since the start, no?

Pretty sure I didn't have any bees until mid day 1 wheee

My other reads are that which they are

SVS town
Thunal town
You town

LC scary

Roxy ask SVS

SVS despite my town read ask Roxy

Who else is even playing

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

Where?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.

I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

Roxy agreed it was a good point but still threw the EoD vote to Abi. I have a half-formed Roxy-Abi team in my head because Abi avoided Roxy voting her until I quoted it directly. Could be a teammate-vote from Roxy for distancing.

Could be that it happened after I was gone I don't respond to things from before EoD after EoD and I also just don't care that I got votes when everyone wants to vote me

[Thunal33]

fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

Where?

Like his EoD1 when he moved his vote and start of d2 posts. I remember him being more one-dimensional and forced in his pushes when I was wolf with him and I similarly caught him one game from spec (the one where he was wolf with Delta idk the name). Here he has more willingness to reevaluate and try new directions.

[Thunal33]

I'm cooking.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also @Epignosis one more thing; how would being tired make any difference as to my alignment? If I'm tired, I'm tired. Now bye.

This is town

Stop killing towns

Xoxo gossip girl

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

Where?

Like his EoD1 when he moved his vote and start of d2 posts. I remember him being more one-dimensional and forced in his pushes when I was wolf with him and I similarly caught him one game from spec (the one where he was wolf with Delta idk the name). Here he has more willingness to reevaluate and try new directions.

I don't see nuanced thought at all I see

Abbi bad with no expansion

SVS bad with no expansion

Quoting a JJJ post that literally says of moto flips town it's better to give me space to operate and not stick to the status quo while pushing me and sticking to the status quo

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I will self vote to keep SVS alive

[Thunal33]

I will self vote to keep SVS alive

Hypothetically who's Epi's partner?

[Thunal33]

The hypothetically was for Abi because I'm considering a world where both her and SVS are town and I don't want to get stuck in the "well nobody else can be mafia" loop.

[Thunal33]

I meant it was for me, not Abi. lol I'm tired

[Thunal33]

OK, so i expected to be dead yesterday, last time I looked in here I was ahead, so i really didn't read much since I last posted. Will do this evening.

Had I come back in, I might have switched to Moto, or I might have stayed becasue I still don't (if she explained it better I haven't seen it yet) get the logic of Thunals vote for me. I would guess that made her the least null of my nulls, since at that point almost everyone was a null or a few town reads. I will be in and out of here tonight, working tomorrow, but off until tuesday after that.

No, there isn’t a better explanation because I was looking for some scumread that made sense and I remembered that in some game you tried to prevent my wagon without townreading me but I didn’t know which game. I found it (Sesame Street) and I realized you had townread me there more than you let on and that was clear later. Also that read on me is not what you said yesterday, you said you didn’t think I was bad because I would have come up with a better explanation.

I know it isn't what i said yesterday, I was talking about hypothetically had I come back. I might have moved to Moto since tbh I just played/watched 2 games where the baddie sent in kills but didn't post. I've always been sympathetic to super low posters in the past but meh. I might also have stayed on you since you were still the least null of my reads since I had actively made them. I still think you would have made a better effort at a suspicion than what you did if you were bad, but I also. thinking back on it, think you would have, I don't want to say "done better", but I'm not sure how to put it, had better reasoning if town as well. Unless it was just gut, which I respect, 90% of my susses are mainly gut. But you didn't say that.

In any case, I read and modified. As we do.

You almost made me sound fangirly (which after Se7en, not gonna lie, I kinda am at times) like I'm gonna defend you when I don';t town read you. Not fangirly about that lol.

I wouldn't call it fangirly because it's part of my own process. When I'm being wagoned I'm sometimes way too biased to really examine the votes on me in the moment, but say if I saw JJJ getting wagoned d1 I'd ask the same questions I pointed out to you even if I didn't townread him. I'd wonder if there were opportunistic mafia either on the wagon or watching it happen when they would otherwise say something.

Sometimes I get so tired of combing through posts with no scumreads that when I have a wayward suspicion I latch onto it and get excited. That's what I did with you and after some time away from the thread I was like "hmm maybe this isn't as strong as I thought".

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

[Thunal33]

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

I'm not tired, it's just this is the end of month at work, it falls on a Saturday so long week, and long days with no lunch, plus I'm catsitting this week. I'm just busy. And tbh I didn't actively suspect anyone, so why not? Also Thunal is a rock star; I made that vote 12 hrs before EOD. If she couldn't get out of that, she would deserve to be yeeted.

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s] aubergine

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.

Roxy said she had to read back on me and she hadn't yet. I am not sure where this noble thing is coming from. Unless you had a recent epiphany on how you read me, like I did on you, you always suspect me for perceived slickness, not lack of nobility. The last place I would expect this argument from is you, and I'm weirdly somewhat flattered that you made it. That and i am still salty about my schedule being used against me. WTF?

Also, fixed your brackets

AND gotta go get ready for work. I will be back in about 12 hours since catsitting, but will be home tonight and all day tomorrow.

Just wanted to say that I don't deserve to be killed if I can't get out of a vote. I've been miskilled before when I was tryharding, even d1, and it's not because I deserve to be killed. Sometimes people are so paranoid of me or hard townread everyone else so I just end up dying because they can't read me. Especially in small games.