Congrats winners. Good game. I had Michelle as my second guess, but didn't want to be unsporting in our BTSC after I was dead.
Interesting variant, though not my cup of tea- felt a bit like a guessing game.
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- Mon Mar 03, 2025 6:20 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 5]
This is a known issue and we are aware of it. Thanks!

(I suppose that was a rather redundant way of expressing such. Oh well!)
- Sat Feb 22, 2025 6:16 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
[VOTE:
leetic] aubergine
If you all want to flash wagon me, Saturday is certainly the day to do it.
Bills before thrills.
If you all want to flash wagon me, Saturday is certainly the day to do it.

Bills before thrills.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:51 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:05 amAbout time! Those cakes have been better than anything you make for over a decade!Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:59 amFor the first time EVER: Eloh (my wife) made MORE MONEY with her cake business than I did working AND gambling this month. She deserves a medal. I asked her this morning where her ass was. She was confused and I said "You've worked it off!" Seriously, I showed her the Captain Phillips gif to say "Look at me: I'm the breadwinner now."falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 amWhat's the best thing that happened to you this week, that made you instantly smile and feel better about the world?![]()
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- Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:26 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
This guy acts like we're prioritizing this over those other things.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:47 am So after hearing people's opinions we are having a 24h "break phase" after Day 2 (locked thread and no poll). And then another after every even numbered phase. Should give people a chance to rest a little, talk to your loves ones, play videogames, whatever you think it's necessary.

(Maybe Foxy is)
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:22 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Beer empty. See you all tomorrow.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:18 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Here in the Southeastern US, when anything solid comes from the sky, we go on lockdown.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:17 amDude...it warmed up to -23 this morning, so I'm outside for like 4-5 mins w my fleece and sleeves up...when I come indoors, my skin starts tingling. Cuz' even tho I'm getting used to extreme cold, my skin still freezes at the same temp. It could warm up to +5 this weekend, near 50C swing in a matter of daysEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:08 amI don't think you know anything about warmth right now!falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:02 amThat's amazing dude! One of my fav feelings is watching family & friends succeed, it's this wonderful warmth/glow that just radiates everywhereEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:59 amFor the first time EVER: Eloh (my wife) made MORE MONEY with her cake business than I did working AND gambling this month. She deserves a medal. I asked her this morning where her ass was. She was confused and I said "You've worked it off!" Seriously, I showed her the Captain Phillips gif to say "Look at me: I'm the breadwinner now."falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 amWhat's the best thing that happened to you this week, that made you instantly smile and feel better about the world?
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
What do you have in mind?daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:12 am It would be great if we could confirm with each other who the king is without helping the assassins.
We can eliminate 7 towns before going to MYLO. What are the chances that we keep eliminating incorrectly... 7 times in a row?
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:08 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
I don't think you know anything about warmth right now!falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:02 amThat's amazing dude! One of my fav feelings is watching family & friends succeed, it's this wonderful warmth/glow that just radiates everywhereEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:59 amFor the first time EVER: Eloh (my wife) made MORE MONEY with her cake business than I did working AND gambling this month. She deserves a medal. I asked her this morning where her ass was. She was confused and I said "You've worked it off!" Seriously, I showed her the Captain Phillips gif to say "Look at me: I'm the breadwinner now."falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 amWhat's the best thing that happened to you this week, that made you instantly smile and feel better about the world?
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
9 million posts in this setup can't be wrong. I'm not bothering with that if I'm bad (shit, I'm not bothering with that if I'm good).falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:59 amWhy do you think Foxy is Town? (re: Roxy typo, sameEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:54 am I still don't suspect Foxy (almost typed Roxy there).
My vote on Michelle is real. I don't sense the "good" Michelle. Michelle seems annoyed to be here. That doesn't bode well.
falcon won't leave me the fuck alone right now, which is probably a good sign (or maybe we'd be good drinking buddies?)
New thoughts. Have them.)
As an aside, I am so glad people don't make 200,000 posts a Day anymore. That depressed me. Especially when I can't keep up with my own games I'm hosting.
But I'm sticking to my guns- Thunal was good (called it) and I think Foxy is too. There's an energy that does not need to be there if Foxy is evil, and more than that, Foxy looked bad after Day 1. Nothing about that screams good strategy.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:59 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
For the first time EVER: Eloh (my wife) made MORE MONEY with her cake business than I did working AND gambling this month. She deserves a medal. I asked her this morning where her ass was. She was confused and I said "You've worked it off!" Seriously, I showed her the Captain Phillips gif to say "Look at me: I'm the breadwinner now."falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:52 amWhat's the best thing that happened to you this week, that made you instantly smile and feel better about the world?
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:54 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
I still don't suspect Foxy (almost typed Roxy there).
My vote on Michelle is real. I don't sense the "good" Michelle. Michelle seems annoyed to be here. That doesn't bode well.
falcon won't leave me the fuck alone right now, which is probably a good sign (or maybe we'd be good drinking buddies?)
New thoughts. Have them.
My vote on Michelle is real. I don't sense the "good" Michelle. Michelle seems annoyed to be here. That doesn't bode well.
falcon won't leave me the fuck alone right now, which is probably a good sign (or maybe we'd be good drinking buddies?)
New thoughts. Have them.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:51 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Can't talk shit about the King, man.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:49 amNo player is off the table when it comes to discussion IMOEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:42 amI don't think talking about TSP is a good idea.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:37 amIs that still the best you can do?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:32 amBecause this shit is random as fuck.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:29 amWould you mind providung brief reason(s) as to why you'd have been OK to vote any of rest of us D1?
The best I could do was here.
I think you've got a couple extra gears in ya, and I know I'm not wrong in your capabilities
I feel TSP is contributing, but it's boiler plate IMO. What are your thoughts?
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Why do you feel we shouldn't chat about► Show Spoiler
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:48 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
You've got one more beer to ask me anything, and then I'm hitting the hay (outside the castle keep because it was that I was caught going through the queen's pantaloons).
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:42 am
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I don't think talking about TSP is a good idea.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:37 amIs that still the best you can do?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:32 amBecause this shit is random as fuck.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:29 amWould you mind providung brief reason(s) as to why you'd have been OK to vote any of rest of us D1?
The best I could do was here.
I think you've got a couple extra gears in ya, and I know I'm not wrong in your capabilities
I feel TSP is contributing, but it's boiler plate IMO. What are your thoughts?
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- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:38 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
I think eliminating the loudest person (by far) Day 2 is goofy.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:32 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Because this shit is random as fuck.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:29 amWould you mind providung brief reason(s) as to why you'd have been OK to vote any of rest of us D1?
The best I could do was here.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:27 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Let's just hope the squire doesn't order us a sausage pizza.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:26 amWhen the fortress defenders are hoping the murder holes do the trick, ya know they're pretty fucked
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:07 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
[VOTE:
Michelle] aubergine
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:04 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:48 amWhoops. It wasn't even you, it was about Jack. (I think this was the post I saw.) Alright, I am paranoid about Jack anyway, so this fits the bill.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:41 amWho said that?daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:38 am But, as I am writing this, I just remembered someone say they are good(?) at scumming.![]()

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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
What's your beef with Foxy?Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:24 amNot me!Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:55 pmI agree with this.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:53 pm Foxy was tunneled on Thunal. But I do think that Foxy is town. And the fact that he went all over the place with his reads EOD seems like towny confusion to me.
- Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:41 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Who said that?daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:38 am But, as I am writing this, I just remembered someone say they are good(?) at scumming.

- Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:55 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
I agree with this.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:53 pm Foxy was tunneled on Thunal. But I do think that Foxy is town. And the fact that he went all over the place with his reads EOD seems like towny confusion to me.
- Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:47 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 2]
Nope. I'm looking for murder holes. Not that I would do anything personally gratifying with those.
- Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:26 pm
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- Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:23 pm
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Unfortunate result- Thunal was one person I wouldn't have voted for, especially not Day 1 (as would usually be the case with Thunal in any scenario).
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 0]
1/10 on drive.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:23 am![]()
I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.
Probably not voting you. Will pick someone else later. Tired.
- Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:12 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
[VOTE:
daisukenowaifuke] aubergine
Why should I not vote you?
Why should I not vote you?
- Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:44 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 0]
How else do you win?leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:36 amNot sure I agree on the last sentence in general. But I'd say the biggest concern in this setup is that even if we lynch all the wolves, it doesn't guarantee our win as they still have the shots that can change the outcome.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:15 amYes, because, we still need some inkling on who is the better choice in voting. The more towns we lynch, the more information we give wolves. Which is contrary to normal mafia, where it's alright to lose a few towns to get spew.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:30 pmAren't some folks doing a deliberate "talk less" strategy? Do you want to start targeting low posters?daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:36 amI just felt like you are fixated on smth Thunal said that doesn't seem quite scummy to me. You see, it has been going on for 1 and a half phases now.Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:14 amwdymdaisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:09 am Voting me puts Foxy in the lead, and I don't want that. Yet, he tunnels Thunal too much, I just think Thunal has innocent intentions.
Mhmm~ I went to ISO you to point out your posts and I found this:
But, what is mafia if not nitpicking on something so small, aye?daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:59 pmThat doesn't sound like a good idea.
The Assassins only have 2 shots, so I am assuming they don't get the regular factional kill like in normal mafia? Which means, the Assassins best bet is to vote out everyone except themselves and their partner to maximum their chances of victory.
I will be down to voting: anyone who is not Scotty, Falcon, Thunal, atm.
I had a vague memory of getting sussy vibes from jackofhearts, but when I went to ISO them, I found nothing.
;(( maybe if you all just talked more...
- Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:14 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
Back to exercising to the best Marvin Gaye album.
- Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:03 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
As I've thought more about it:
I think the best way to approach this is to say anybody you're not voting for (as I did above) and feel free to leave the royal highness in or out of your list as you see fit. Say why if you want.
It's also a thing I poo poo on in normal mafia games, but with there being a pair of ne'er-do-wells instead of a single killer, it's not a terrible idea to look for teammate interactions this early on (impossible a task as that is, but them's the breaks). I picked out a few that I didn't think were likely. Tell me why I'm wrong.
More shruggery.
I think the best way to approach this is to say anybody you're not voting for (as I did above) and feel free to leave the royal highness in or out of your list as you see fit. Say why if you want.
It's also a thing I poo poo on in normal mafia games, but with there being a pair of ne'er-do-wells instead of a single killer, it's not a terrible idea to look for teammate interactions this early on (impossible a task as that is, but them's the breaks). I picked out a few that I didn't think were likely. Tell me why I'm wrong.
More shruggery.
- Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:47 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
Fuck it. Here's what I've got:
falcon & Thunal are not teammates.
S~V~S & Foxy are not teammates.
Foxy & Thunal are not teammates.
Scotty is our king, King of the Scots.
Based on this, I'm least likely to vote for Foxy or Thunal.
falcon & Thunal are not teammates.
S~V~S & Foxy are not teammates.
Foxy & Thunal are not teammates.
Scotty is our king, King of the Scots.
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- Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:42 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
God willing, yes.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:58 pm Are games here normally like this? Very chill, very civil, very relaxed?
- Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:34 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
I feel like I'm stuck in Day 0 hell.
- Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:28 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:13 amBoy do I have some bad news for you.Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:11 amI mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:07 am I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?
Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.![]()

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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
Assassins in the Second Snootiest Neighborhood Mafia coming soon.
- Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:04 am
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
What does ToT mean? It is supposed to be a drum set?
- Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:33 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
But Day 1 is still "G1!" shit so [VOTE:
nutella] aubergine for not recognizing my amazing Peaky Blinders entrance.
- Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
I'm off work and caught up.
I read the wiki page previously and have thought about it.
"However, it still allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery."
There's no distinct advantage about "little more than a lottery." I'm a gambler, and I don't do lottery.
Nevertheless, the presence of two assassins (instead of one) changes the dynamic and provides a little more to work with than blind chance.
It's a little more like finding the damn Destroyer in Battleship.
I read the wiki page previously and have thought about it.
"However, it still allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery."
There's no distinct advantage about "little more than a lottery." I'm a gambler, and I don't do lottery.

Nevertheless, the presence of two assassins (instead of one) changes the dynamic and provides a little more to work with than blind chance.
It's a little more like finding the damn Destroyer in Battleship.
- Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:17 pm
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- Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:20 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:17 pmEggs are expensive nowadays?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:11 pmHaven't been. For I have been on a noble quest to locate precious (affordable) eggs for a certain Ye Olde Cakery.
I found three acceptable cartons at one store. Whilst loading them into my carriage, the fucking car alarm next to me went off, and I fumbled my goods.
I'll be along shortly.
News to me


Yes, but at least ours aren't frozen.

- Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:11 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
Haven't been. For I have been on a noble quest to locate precious (affordable) eggs for a certain Ye Olde Cakery.
I found three acceptable cartons at one store. Whilst loading them into my carriage, the fucking car alarm next to me went off, and I fumbled my goods.

I'll be along shortly.
- Mon Feb 17, 2025 8:09 pm
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Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 0]
Went with King ARFUR FUCKIN' SHELBY that's who I went with, yeah.