The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:56 pm Good game everyone.

I was very impressed with your analysis. I wanted to remember to tell you that, as I was dying to say it when you did it.

Wait a sec, was that this game? Whatever game it was in, nice job lol

Oh and thanks to @SixStrings for finally playing. Nice job!

So now even if you never play again, at least you'll know what I'm staring at all day. And why I'm pissed off 90% of the time.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:23 pm I also didn't mean to miss that last poll vote. I just put it off for the purpose of emulating my recent disengaged civ play and then got busy and missed it.

I hate getting nk'd night 1!

Yay! Congrats town!!

***baxy!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:41 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:10 pm Neon ISO
Spoiler: show

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:09 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:02 pm I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”
True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.
Jokey on the first interaction
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:36 am
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:35 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:09 am

Is it me?
Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI

GG guys I solved the game
That sounds pretty normal to me tbh
Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:54 am Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.
Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.
I've never fluffed as mafia
More yokes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:15 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:06 pm

No
Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.
Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.
Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.
Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:20 am
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:24 pm @Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac
Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine
I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:13 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:11 am
There’s only 2 so like that’s half?
Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0
Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is
That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel
Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:29 pm Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...
A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:30 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:45 pm Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.
I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check
We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:15 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:24 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm

So which one of these is your partner?
Obviously me
This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.
Maybe you should

you shouldn't
Sus
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:17 am There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine
Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:03 pm

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?
Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving
This is also a decent look for Neon.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:11 pm My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.
It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.
Technically I said 50% chance lol
This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:25 pm Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.
You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.
Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies
This logic does not compute.
Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.
Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty
This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:46 pm I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.
My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.
Undoes the dif check.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:52 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?
Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.
What does this mean?

Based just on the cross of our POEs, I'd be looking squarely at Mac.
Neon advised there was a Kate Sig Dif check and then decided nah, it's tvt. Which is just weird thing to do as town. Town I don't think suggests a dif check unless they are sold on it entirely, so to takesy baxy is what I think makes this weird.

In her opinion or an actual check?

Totes agree on the takesy baby though

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:10 pm Neon ISO
Spoiler: show

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:09 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:02 pm I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”
True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.
Jokey on the first interaction
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:36 am
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:35 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:47 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:13 am

Is it you?
no
Is it me?
Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI

GG guys I solved the game
That sounds pretty normal to me tbh
Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:42 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:29 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:54 am Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.
Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.
I've never fluffed as mafia
More yokes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:15 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:06 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:58 pm

Other things it could be include; a real thought, a reaction test, a complete joke, blindness and dizziness, flatulence, nausea and death.
Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.
No
Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.
Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.
Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.
Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:20 am
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:24 pm @Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac
Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine
I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:13 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:11 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:18 am
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:21 pm

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.
There's a 97.8% chance there's at most 1 wolf there.
There’s only 2 so like that’s half?
Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0
Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is
That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel
Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:29 pm Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...
A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:30 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:45 pm Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.
I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check
We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:15 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:24 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:31 pm Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town
So which one of these is your partner?
Obviously me
This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.
Maybe you should

you shouldn't
Sus
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:17 am There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine
Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:43 am Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.
It’s a tone:gut read
But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?
Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving
This is also a decent look for Neon.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:14 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:11 pm My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.
It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.
Technically I said 50% chance lol
This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:25 pm Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.
You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.
Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies
This logic does not compute.
Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.
Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty
This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:46 pm I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.
My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.
Undoes the dif check.
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:52 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?
Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

What does this mean?

Based just on the cross of our POEs, I'd be looking squarely at Mac.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:20 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:18 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:16 pm If I left right now for the rest of the day should everyone stop voting me and only vote between Daisy, Kate, Six and Dennis? Since they’re the only active players
No. You were here to answer the accusations. Did you actually think that's what I meant? Come on Sig. Wow.
You’re saying not to vote for someone since they’re not here?

Half the players aren’t in thread right now and most of the time you have people not around for end of day. That’s not logically to say we can’t vote for someone since they aren’t here.
This post is why I’d not be in favor of a SixStrings yeet. Sig is absolutely desperate to yeet low posters.

This is some hyperbole here, lol.

This was a BAD post by Sig.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:29 pm Ho boi... Time for Neon ISO.

This shall be the fitting theme for this one.
Spoiler: show

My current POE:

falcon
Mac
Neon
Daisy

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:06 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:35 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:02 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:33 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:29 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:25 am

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town
@Dennis Is this true?
I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her
Helping me find you if you're town would help.
Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore
They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?

She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?

What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?
I don't exactly know what she means by flat, but I believe she means I have been not my silly goofy self. Which I don't really understand, but I also don't really know how to disprove. Like how does one shoe they have emotion

Fmpov, I didn't actually say a lot about sig because a lot of my suspicion was coming from being partners with him in Scooby Doo, which was still going on and he looked like a carbon copy. So this is understandable to me

I have one post in my head, I'll find it and grab it, but I replied to Neon in 2 different messages, one was like "I feel like you're tunneling me" and one was me saying womething about sig trying to attract us to low posters. And Neon only replied to the first one saying "Your bad. This does nothing" completely refusing to acknowledge the second. It's like she is ignoring me trying to work with her and just calling me bad at silly things. One thing I've noticed with Neon is that it seems like I always have to AtE to get her to try and find me as town and I just don't want to do that. I don't want to have to feel like an emotional manipulator or whatever just so Neon will consider a world where I'm town. So if she wants to tunnel me it's absolutely whatever to me at this point because I'm not putting in any more effort than she is willing to

This is not baddie Dennis. This is frustrated and agitated town Dennis.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:03 pm Mata re Sig ISO:
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:45 pm Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.
Somewhat discredits the Sig wagon by poking at one of it's pushers, but the thoughts feel presented clearly and concisely. What I don't like is that there was some preemptive wiggle room provided under 'if sig flips wolf' then going from there.
Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine
Meh, this is kinda without explanation, so it just feels like words typed to type.

Nottalotta on Mata. Welcome to the PoE.

The thing is though, of all the people in the thread, she wouldn't choose me to make a fake wolf call out of. I think when she said she thought I was bad, it was genuine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:06 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:35 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:02 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:33 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:29 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:25 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn
I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town
@Dennis Is this true?
I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her
Helping me find you if you're town would help.
Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore
They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?

She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?

What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

This is not specifically at you falcon but in general, are we allowed to talk about scooby doo yet?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:31 am She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

Maybe ultimately, but at the time she did, she was making the kill vote.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:57 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:07 pm I’m pretty sure I broke the 5/5 tie though iirc.
Nah fam. He died by 1 vote and that was my self pres
At the end yeah, there was some moving around after I voted, iirc both you and sig were on Wilgy for a minute or two, for instance, so it didn’t stay that way. But when I voted, it was 5/5.

Can confirm. I was watching specifically to see if she was gonna make it back in time to vote. Then, after she did, I thought to myself. Hmmm she broke the tie, nice.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:41 am Kate ISO I'll keep short. TLDR Kate's not a wolf.
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:23 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:01 pm So far Dennis and svs both look civ to me.

In before everyone in the thread asks...

I'll [VOTE: sig] aubergine. Not exactly sure why yet. Gut?
Hmmm now this is actually a kinda scummy reason to vote someone. Especially for a very jokey no u
And here we go...another no you.

Round 2 sig?
Except this isn’t a no you it’s based off the fact you took a joke post and used it as an excuse to vote

If you wanna sheep mac just say you’re sheeping mac but attributing bad reason is kinda scummy.
I'm not sheeping mac. I'm watching you. 👁 👁
This isn't a teammate interaction 100% of the time.

Kate calls out Sig's slip.

You know, early today I called you brilliant. Now I'm positive

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:55 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:07 pm I’m pretty sure I broke the 5/5 tie though iirc.
Oh shit I totally forgot about that

But honestly that makes me think you trusted Kate, not really that you thought sig was bad. I am running under the idea that you weren't reading thread until you posted again, so if that is wrong let me know, but I thought you were just placing your trust in Kate
But if she was bad, she wouldn't be placing trust in me.
Why not? Fmpov, you two are experts in reading each other, so if one of you managed to slip under the radar I take full advantage.

I don't think this is the case, I think it's t/t, but why wouldn't she place trust in you?

Bc if she were mafia, there'd be no reason for trust. It was just be a bullshit excuse, but that also makes no sense bc why trust me to push her own partner over the edge?

There's just no world where she's wolf.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:38 pm I guess, but it is a tiny bit worrying how worried you seem to be that you get civ credit

I don't think she's worried, I think she's trying to talk y9u through the logic.

I'm pretty sure you trust me in this game and you trust my read on svs. I am really confident she's civ.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:07 pm I’m pretty sure I broke the 5/5 tie though iirc.
Oh shit I totally forgot about that

But honestly that makes me think you trusted Kate, not really that you thought sig was bad. I am running under the idea that you weren't reading thread until you posted again, so if that is wrong let me know, but I thought you were just placing your trust in Kate

But if she was bad, she wouldn't be placing trust in me.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:56 pm Wow, that’s impressive Kate!
I chose beach hut, because I miss living near a beach.

Thanks

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:31 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:30 pm @Neon who were the people voting you?
I posted it

Voters: falcon45ca, sig, Matahari, SixStrings, Dennis +sig

Of these, I'll be reviewing falcon. The others I don't think are bad (although Strings I said my thought process may be flawed).

@Neon who were the people voting you?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:23 pm Mountains. NYC five stars are overrated.

I'll meet you somewhere indoors for lunch.

*too. Ugh.

5 star hotel bc the rest are all way to wildernessy for me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:10 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:06 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:53 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:49 pm I think I'm still looking at

Wilgy/falcon/mac/neon/strings/svs as poe
Bruh says I'm PoE without reading me.
Should I note that you were added to this poe only as thread consensus shifted on you?
I noticed that too lol. I had my fangs in Sig for the better part of the day. I'd like a legitimate explanation from Dennis.
Please someone tell me when you became consensus I genuinely do not remember this

So pretty much I thought "who am I almost certain is good" and then I wrote down all the names I didn't think. Idk what else to explain unless I have the concept of poe wrong
I don't buy this
I do. Dennis seems like lost town.

I'm not seeing super baddie Dennis either.

Dennis, could you please give some detailed reads as they relate to the sig flip?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:56 pm I think scum 2.0 was on me so

Me too

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:13 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:08 pm Rand means rand. It means the host doesn't hand pick mafia.

The host should never prevent the rand first game or not.
Isthis a hard core rule now? It wasn't "back in the day."
I mean I implied I was creating a role specifically for a player once and got chewed out by people who played "back in the day"

Rand is rand.

Fucking with the rand is bad.

I used to do that all the time. Shrug

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:08 pm Rand means rand. It means the host doesn't hand pick mafia.

The host should never prevent the rand first game or not.

Isthis a hard core rule now? It wasn't "back in the day."

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:59 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:49 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies
This logic does not compute.
Yes it 100% does

The reasoning for her attempt was based off a “slip” this slip didn’t exist

She used it as a reaosn to vote me and I wasn’t mafia. Ergo we’ve seen multiple times of mafia using a fake slip as a reason to vote
Will you make up your mind about what my read is based on? It's a totality if circumstances. Stop trying to pick at it piecemeal. It doesn't work that way.

Will you?

Since every time you’re pressured by me you seem to have a. Different reason
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but I don't feel pressured by you at all.
That’s not being reflected in your pairing style

I have no idea what this means

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:57 pm I genuinely have no idea how Kate can have a townread on SixStrings without TMI.

Bc I don't envision any world where rox and splints give a first time player a mafia role, especially when there are only 2 mafia.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:49 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:25 pm Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.
You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies
This logic does not compute.
Yes it 100% does

The reasoning for her attempt was based off a “slip” this slip didn’t exist

She used it as a reaosn to vote me and I wasn’t mafia. Ergo we’ve seen multiple times of mafia using a fake slip as a reason to vote
Will you make up your mind about what my read is based on? It's a totality if circumstances. Stop trying to pick at it piecemeal. It doesn't work that way.

Will you?

Since every time you’re pressured by me you seem to have a. Different reason

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but I don't feel pressured by you at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:42 pm I'm going to be kinda frustrated if the team turns out to be SVS and SixStrings or something. Are this point the POE is too wide because a lot of players haven't tried to make themselves readable at all.

99% sure it's not those two.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.
Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

Svs is civ. I wouldn't vote sixstrings either.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:39 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:25 pm Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.
You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies
This logic does not compute.
Yes it 100% does

The reasoning for her attempt was based off a “slip” this slip didn’t exist

She used it as a reaosn to vote me and I wasn’t mafia. Ergo we’ve seen multiple times of mafia using a fake slip as a reason to vote

Will you make up your mind about what my read is based on? It's a totality if circumstances. Stop trying to pick at it piecemeal. It doesn't work that way.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:43 am Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.
It’s a tone:gut read
But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?
Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

THANK YOU! sometimes you need someone else to put what you're trying to say into words.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:16 pm If I left right now for the rest of the day should everyone stop voting me and only vote between Daisy, Kate, Six and Dennis? Since they’re the only active players

No. You were here to answer the accusations. Did you actually think that's what I meant? Come on Sig. Wow.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:11 pm My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:38 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:30 pm The fact the thread is so dead means mafia is totally fine with me being voted off
Yes all TWO of them are being awfully quiet...
Well now one is posting to try and keep my misvote alive I see

Actually my in laws just left and I put the baby down so now I had time to post.

Ebwop.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:30 pm The fact the thread is so dead means mafia is totally fine with me being voted off
Yes all TWO of them are being awfully quiet...

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:30 pm The fact the thread is so dead means mafia is totally fine with me being voted off

Yes all TWO of them are being awfully quiet...

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:43 am Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.
It’s a tone:gut read
But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?
Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

So if you have a reason to look, and then see one more or two more or 5000 more reasons, all subsequent reasons are worthless?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:43 am Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.
It’s a tone:gut read

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:44 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:51 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:01 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:29 pm Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...
So do you think Mac is trying to discredit town leaders or do you think he's just arrived at this solve? Or are you going for the wombo combo where he's discrediting leaders, which involves pushing his partner, sig?

This last sentence has given too much ambiguity (is that the right word)
Neon doesn't really believe the read because frankly the idea that she's in need of discrediting makes no sense.

Think about where her mindset was at prior to me outing my real read.

Mac lock town most obvious town in the game.

Aside from that she was doing very little aside from jokingly claiming mafia when pressured and voting you ... because she didn't agree with my read on you. Which isn't a good enough reason to vote but that's not my point.

She was not in a position where I would need to discredit her. The idea that I decided abruptly to switch my read on someone who, if I was mafia and they are town, I have them hoodwinked entirely, doesn't make sense as a move to be discrediting her... in actuality it doesn't make sense as a wolf move at all.

To clarify the reality, Neon tried to pocket me. I let them believe that it had worked so that I could make associative reads. If I did this to a town, me doing that is more in my town meta than scum meta and given Neon had me as so obvious town as to joke about how obvious I was, switching to scumreading me for something like this is not towny at all.

If you (Dennis) were suspicious enough for her to have been able to articulate a reason to suspect you beyond I disagree with Mac hence I'm voting, then I could humour she thinks I'm concerned that she will single handedly get you over, my wolf teammate Dennis. But you and I both know that we are not wolf teammates lol.
I can very easily articulate a reason why I believe Dennis is scum but would you actually listen? Or am I wasting my breath?

Kinda think I'm wasting my breath.
I asked you why you were voting him before and you said it was because it's fun, and because you disagree with me.

Given I have already asked, why would you think I'd not be interested?

If you had a real reason, why didn't you say it when I asked the first time?
Right but I didn't think you actually wanted to know. And my vote was initially a pressure vote.

But see since than Dennis has gradually confirmed my suspicions.

I think Dennis' reads are weak. I don't think he actually believes them. I know Dennis is capable of articulate posts describing his PoV as town. I know Dennis is capable of reads with nuance. I've tried to get Dennis to expand and he's flat out refused or said he can't expand which feels fake to me. It feels like Dennis is flowing through the state of the thread and trying to blend in.

For instance his read on kate was weak and followed the general flow of the thread where Kate was being generally TRd.

His vote on me only came after the flow of the thread wrt me switched and multiple people who had been silent in my slot or flat out lying about their read on me started to sus me.

Further Dennis' memey personality helps vacant, flat. Kinda forced when he does do it but almost missing overall. Like I tend to meme less and post less gifs when I'm wolf because I'm aware that it draws undue attention to me and flat out pisses some people off.
Oh cool you do have reasons

I am never ever confident on D1 about my reads. They will always, and have always come off as hedgy or weak or whatever other synonyms I can't think of. I always feel like I need more time or more posts and I can't come to a conclusion quick so it bothers me when people tell me I'm being hedgy

My read on kate was weak because I'm scared of her lol. I mean yeah I believe I have a pretty good chance of being right but I know what she's capable of as wolf so I'm not full clearing her on D1. I guess what I should have said was "I'm not voting Kate today" or something like that but I for some reason feel like my opinion on Kate specifically had to be out there because of the whole "soul read" thing I think we have

I very rarely vote early in days and I even more rarely vote early D1. I don't know if I even have and my vote on you following thread state is probably a combination of following the people I trust, a sr on you and me thinking "I should probably vote soon". So I guess I am blending a little bit I don't exactly mean to

Shrug emoji to this one, all I can really say is I feel like my personality is showing through MUCH more than my wolf games if you look those through

You have no idea how you just warmed my little mommy heart

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:24 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:31 pm Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town
So which one of these is your partner?
Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:49 pm @MacDougall yeah I think he's town. His tone is that of having fun, which wouldn't exist if they were wolf. Also these two posts seem very much in line with his town modus operandi

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:47 pm Dennis is town, Mac is town.

I'm town.

Almost 1/3rd of the list solved folks

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:45 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:21 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:18 pm Also (and the real reason why I came in here)

I’m betting the entire mafia team (of two lol) isn’t someone actively posting
Here are your "low posters." Discuss.
It's sub-optimal for town to lynch slankers D1
Not explicitly. As long as the day is played out if consensus suggests it with a valid reason it's fine.
I'm sure there are certain circumstances where it's not, nothing is absolute.

I don't think you disagree that as a general rule of thumb, D1 slanker lynches are not ideal. And Kate gave a list of 7?

It's absurd to consider lynching within a pool of 7 slankers D1

I'm hoping we can put the list thing to bed. Sig, who I suspected, suddenly wanted to look at low posters. I ss'd the low posters (everyone above who I included had 17+ posts which wasn't low at that point). Of the people on the list, the majority were hosts, non players or first time players. THAT WAS EXACTLY the point I was making. Why did sig want to jump to looking to low posters and to make it worse, there weren't really any low posters to look at...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:52 pm FYI Matahari is billboard town.

Yes.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:45 pm Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I've been a lot more outspoken in my recent games as I've gotten back into playing. I'm definitely not nervous though, I'm actually far more relaxed in this game than most...

All I ask is for you give svs time to get in here and read me, bc I assure you I'm town.

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