The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hi deadies.

I see that no living player came by. Probably for the better, because my 1 hour climbing session turned into 4 hours, and I'm home later than anticipated and exhausted.

So, in your exhaustion, do you want to tell us all how you're bad?

The problem with this is that it would require I am mafia.

Why do you think I'm bad?

And he was, ladies and gentlemen. Congratulations Civvies! You have won Downton Abbey Mafia!

OMG! WE WON!!! I have been sitting in a chat room waiting for Epi to tell me how the lynch went *shakes fists*

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, it was fun giving you guys something to chew on when we killed Long Con.

I also didn't realize that Epignosis could choose his target's new targets. I had to be careful on the last phase about Lorab, because I figured out Illy was silenced around halfway through the day, and there was no way Lorab would have targeted Illy on her own. I knew Epignosis had to have redirected Lorab's action, but I thought it had randomly gone to Illy.

^^This was how we started knocking people off the Mafia list. I was fine being the guinea pig as my power was not as critical as Epi's.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:Why did you kill me?

Oh and Ika my case on you was bull I was blackmailed and didn't want the mafia to know I was the doctor just in case they did something silly with my powers.

We knew who Epignosis was, and you and him seemed to be on the same page, so we killed you thinking you were his BTSC mate.

Then it became obvious we were wrong about that when Epignosis came off the poll again.

*tosses hair over shoulder*

You damn right.

Epignosis wrote:I also have to say this: Illyria is one of the best damn BTSC partners you could hope for.

NO U! Seriously, you did all the heavy lifting. I didn't get my feet underneath me until Day Five.

I have to say in our chat room after Night Three we would rush in and say I DONT KNOW HOW WE ARE STILL ALIVE!!!!

Matt wrote:Good game civs!!

Haha. Sorry Illy, I really did think you were bad. And I was kind of right anyway, you could've asked Epi all of those questions in btsc

Thanks for the great game, Elo!

And I did, I think the first day was me going "What does CFD mean?" Is Ika talking about bowel movements??"

Black Rock wrote:Great game. I had a lot of fun. So LC was bad after all The world makes sense again. I didn't ever suspect MM, so you had me fooled.

First game I trusted Epignosis for no reason. I just did. I'm glad I was right.

OMG. RIIIIIIGHT?? I just kept looking at the screen and going "But.. He CANT be good".


Elo, this was Big Fun. Thank you. I loved it.

Dom wrote:Epignosis - Good
Ika - Bad
Illyria - Good
LoRab - Bad
MetalMarsh89 - Bad
Scotty - Bad


Only 2 of those bad reads could be right. I really don't think I'm wrong about Illy and Epig.

You are not wrong, I am just sick about this last lynch. I should have never moved my vote off MM, that is my fault.

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:
I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

There's only one vanilla role in this game and that was bubbles. So, what role are you claiming exactly? Or are you saying you have Btsc? Which negates that you've been implying that Wilgy was correct. And you are not likely Matt's partner which would have given a no Btsc show before they found each other because you have him the final vote. So what role exactly are you claiming?

ika wrote:mod will there be a no-lynch option?

Why would that be a good idea and is there even such a thing. I have never seen that. Nor would o be enthusiastic about ever playing with that option.

^^ THIS. Ika, you are making it very difficult to believe that you are a Confused Civvie.

FUCKERTY BOLLOCKS.

I am thrilled we still have Epi, I am going to make a drink. We have to get it right tomorrow y'all. If we don't, that is it.

Matt wrote:When I flip civ (if I get lynched), can you all ask everyone why Illy was begging you to lynch me, saying "PLEASE" as if she knows I'm bad or something?

That's weird

I am trying to save Epi, and I will beg for that with no shame or apology.

Scotty wrote:@Dom, @LoRab , @ika move your vote to Matt- you've got 5 minutes

^^This. Please. PLEASE.

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:On a scale of 1-10 matt, give me the order of who you would prefer to lynch, 1 being highest preference

I'd prefer to lynch Dom over everyone.

Can't do that.

I'd prefer everyone move their vote to ika. Won't happen I guess.

I don't prefer voting Epi over Marmot (I suss Marmot more actually), but Epi just simply can't be this bad at this game, so ergo he's mafia playin' us all.

Linki - Scotty...hahaha. Damn. That sucks.

How... How is Dom your #1 and then Epi?????????? It is pretty clear who they are.

Epignosis wrote:He's waiting until the deadline.

Matt, really????

Matt wrote:Illy...

Wtf

Scotty, if I voted Epi and not Marmot, you'd probably vote me huh?

Sorry doodlebug, it is not personal.

If you vote Epi at this point that is all I need to know about you being Evil.

Not if Scotty changes his mind, and Dom if you want to help us out that would be greeeeaaat.

Epignosis wrote:I changed my vote to Matt, Scotty, if you want to follow suit.

Idk if he will, but I certainly did.

*votes Matt*

Yes Matt that was directed at you.

No, but I would have expected you to answer at least Epi's, instead, you danced like an organ grinder's monkey around them.

Good Lord, I thought Ika was bad at answering direct questions.

I don't care that you went after me, I survived it. I know it wasn't personal, but why would you fuss at me for flip flopping when you have been doing the same?

Again I ask the question, looking for cover??

Scotty, that is my problem exactly.

Curious? Sure, just like it was when you were a damn dog with a bone when I had three people vouching for me.

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:Why did ika vote for Illy on Day 6?

The only time Ika really mentions Illy all game is when he listed her as a green read on an early rainbow list he made. On that same list, he listed Long Con as yellow. Later in the game, ika would make a few mentions of how he suspects Long Con and wants to lynch him.

Yet, on Day 6, he votes Illy instead of Long Con.

Why?

Because you blackmailed him?

^^This.



And also

Also, Matt why in the world is my opinion important to you? You have been trying to kill me for days.

Do you not want to vote for your teamie so you are looking at other people to vote for, so you can say "I followed X"

If he didn't answer why he voted for Llama, I can not imagine he is going to answer why he voted for me.

Matt wrote:Illy...

You keep flip flopping on me.

Does everyone think ika's good or something?

Yeah well, right back at ya kiddo.

I am being super wishy washy because I am lost right now. My gut is saying we need to look at the fringe players (LoRab) my head is saying that Scotty and Ika are probably civvies. This leaves you, MM, and LoRab to suss out this is assuming that my logic is sound. GAH.

LoRab wrote:Also, while I suspect Scotty, the fact that Wilgy implied he had checked him gives me enough pause at this moment in time to not vote for him.

Voting MM for now because self preservation and because I really don't think Epig is bad.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Scotty wrote:Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?

That's the main point that makes me hesitant about you. MM's posts this past RL day have made me feel worse about him and my vote may go in that direction.

It's these kinds of posts that make me think "She's bad."

What specifically about MM's posts this past day made you feel worse? What did he say? Why?

Just vaguely nodding and going, "He made me feel worse" makes me feel worse about you.

Sorry, I had about 5 minutes to be able to post and didn't have time to elaborate.

In short, it's partly tone and partly that he's gone back and forth on everyone, seemingly hopping onto whatever name comes up at a given moment. His accusations and posts read as disingenuous to me.

Ugh, I did not love these answers. I know we have one more shot after this lynch, but this one for some reason feels critical to me today.

LoRab I get that you are busy, but you have to got to have some opinions at this stage of the game. Take saving yourself out of the game and if you were voting for anyone who would it be and why?

If MM is who he is hinting, then I have Matt, Scotty and LoRab as who may get my final vote today.

He has gone after me all game, so I can't delineate if my wanting to lynch him is because of that or if I think that he has posted just enough to escape any real notice.

What do you think about Matt?

MM, why have you not moved your vote off of Epi yet-- and did you explain why you voted him in the first place?

Okay MM, so why have you voted Matt so consistently?

I will be here for this lynch, so convince me.

Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....

Scotty wrote:Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.

Excellent question, MM?

For me, this vote will come down to Matt, MM, and Scotty. LoRab hasn't given me enough to earn my vote yet (YET young lady!)

I have Dom in a role I feel pretty sure he belongs in, and I think Ika is a civvie.

Fucking hell y'all are cracking me UP right now.

LoRab you were who I missed! I kept looking at my list, then the lynch poll, and saying out loud "Who IS IT? WHO IS MISSSSSIIIING?" until I just gave up.

As of right now I am going to put you in BOTH the possible civ and possible Mafia categories. I just... can not.. figure you out.


So.. situation normal.

LoRab wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika insists that he knows that civilians only need the lynch to be successful. Nowhere was I disputing that. However, since he raises that point, ika's votes are:

Turf Wars, ika insisted we kill Silverwolf. MCS, ika insisted his team kill Silverwolf.

I don't think the mafia would have thought to kill Silverwolf Night 1 as a means of framing ika. The MCS one even occurred after the Downton one.

Question: If you don't believe ika killed Silverwolf, who among the living would think to kill her Night 1?

two things:

1) you said civies lose to lack of PR play. you said no toher reason so nice try on backtracking

2) anyone who played/saw turf and how we acted towards each ohter here evn know that we were stongly town reading each ohter and that its a perfect opertunity to not only demoralized me, but make a me a easy myslynch. to answer the question you would kill her.

i know wht he said i was cleared now. he lie checked me n1 about killign silver

That would be a poor choice of what to LD, and he's smarter than that. All that says is that you didn't carry out the kill, as Epi points out. Also, I don't think confirmed civ means what you think it means.

Epignosis wrote:Three people I won't lynch: Dom, Black Rock, Illyria

Three people I would lynch: ika, Matt, Scotty, Lorab, MetalMarsh89,

Your counting skills are confusing me. As is the comma after MetalMarsh89.

damnit. rip br.

Matt wrote:

Illyria wrote:

Matt wrote:Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

Yes, he was. But if he was looking for BTSC, there are three groups two civ, one mafia so just because he found someone who had BTSC does not mean he found Mafia. Yes, he cleared Scotty and I do not know him well enough to say he would cause shenanigans for the lulz. There are a few roles that can influence people so there is a possibility of his checks being skewed.

I'm confused here. I'm asking about Scotty, not anyone else. It looks like you are defending Epi, possibly others, from being on Wilgy's list, and I agree even if he checked them and the check came out positive, does not mean they are bad.

But why is Scotty on your list of people you want to lynch? If he checked Scotty, and then came to the thread "DON'T LOOK AT SCOTTY!", then the check came out negative. Meaning no btsc.

Why are people looking at Scotty? For the love of everything, whyyyyyyy?

Sorry. I am looking at Scotty because he is being deliberately obtuse imo.

Matt wrote:Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

Yes, he was. But if he was looking for BTSC, there are three groups two civ, one mafia so just because he found someone who had BTSC does not mean he found Mafia. Yes, he cleared Scotty and I do not know him well enough to say he would cause shenanigans for the lulz. There are a few roles that can influence people so there is a possibility of his checks being skewed.

Scotty wrote:

Illyria wrote:

ika wrote:so prob epi and dom?

Absolutely not either of them. Is this your way of kicking open the door and announcing you are Mafia?

Dom wrote:

ika wrote:so prob epi and dom?

It's cute that it's you and Scotty.

IKR??

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:i like how dom tries to discret the confirmed town with a simple "oh he was blackmailed"

Yeah, I like it too. He's probably right.

I concur.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

ika wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.



Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.

That is my list as well.

Scotty wrote:Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

Or Mrs Hughes knows something you do not.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?

*gags*

No..... No thank you. Very kind of you to offer.

Epignosis wrote:Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.

I am totally down with that.

Scotty wrote:I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

OR you have missed something.

Also, Ika why DID you vote for Llama???

You are my pick for the second Mafia once Epi flips bad fyi

That is okay, because you are my number one pick if you get Epi lynched.

Matt, I think Dr Wilgy forgot that there are two potential BTSC teams on the civs side.

ika wrote:so prob epi and dom?

Absolutely not either of them. Is this your way of kicking open the door and announcing you are Mafia?

Dom wrote:

ika wrote:so prob epi and dom?

It's cute that it's you and Scotty.

IKR??

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:i like how dom tries to discret the confirmed town with a simple "oh he was blackmailed"

Yeah, I like it too. He's probably right.

I concur.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

ika wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.



Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.

That is my list as well.

Scotty wrote:Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

Or Mrs Hughes knows something you do not.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?

*gags*

No..... No thank you. Very kind of you to offer.

Epignosis wrote:Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.

I am totally down with that.

Scotty wrote:I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

OR you have missed something.

Also, Ika why DID you vote for Llama???

NBDROMIAGUHCNZDMJEGCUYUDOPUHDIZSETLNQYE

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Checks the front page.

Yay mafia!

Get back here Matt. Weren't you the one trying to get Illy lynched?

Yes. Yes he was.

Matt wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Checks the front page.

Yay mafia!

Get back here Matt. Weren't you the one trying to get Illy lynched?

Yeah and then Illy went and bussed her teamie for civ cred.

Dammit!

No. No she didn't. I voted for who I thought was Mafia. You, on the other hand, have two people who are telling you that I am a civvie and you still won't buy it. You are the one who voted for me, then tried to get a lynch train happening on me.

A lynch train that LC voted for, LC who you think is evil, at least for the next 14 seconds.

BTW, I do hope you enjoy crow. I will be serving you a heaping portion of it and the end of the game.

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha has been lynched. She was Sarah O'Brien.
It is now Night 6. You have 23 hours to send in your Night Actions.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Motherfucking FISTPUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome. That is awesome.

I am voting Sorsha based on Lady Edith's post and the fact that I believe the mafia is just hanging around the edges watching us pick each other off one by one.

Also, Ika wth?

I have to leave soon, so if there is a giant fuck up and I am lynched here is what I think, take it or leave it.

Civs:
Epi
BR

Possible Civs:
Matt
Scotty
Llama
MetalMarsh

Mafia:
LC
Dom
Sorsha

Possible Mafia
Ika

I think it is interesting that I announce I have to leave at 3 and right around then votes. What a classic civvie move.

I don't vote with bandwagons unless I agree with them. I put my votes where I think they should go. It is why I only vote once and towards the end of the lynch.
I did not know I missed two votes, and was horrified when I did, it is disrespectful to the host and the players. I was here and posted in the thread for one of them at least.
I do a lot of OT, that is how I roll. It will never change.

Y'all are convicting me on my personality not my playstyle. Which is utter bullshit.

BTW, those of you who are voting for me. If I do die today, we are past the point where you can shrug and be all "What could we dooooo? Wooooe is mmmmeeeeee" as an excuse about it. You will distract us from YET ANOTHER MAFIA LYNCH. You will move yourselves up the list and the Mafia down. AGAIN.

Please y'all please be smart about this. You are allowing the Mafia to sit back and watch as we destroy ourselves.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

^^This

Black Rock wrote:If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Where you vote, I shall follow.

Also, this ^^ But it will need to be soon for me to vote. I have to be somewhere at 330-- luckily it is close so I can leave at 3. I am happy to place my vote on either LC or Sorsha.

Elohcin wrote:

A letter from our editor:

During my investigation I have determined that the ones we should be after are very experienced in blending in with our fellow civilians. We should be after those who excel at such things. This Mafia is smart and strong we need to take out a link or perish! I would look hard at Sorsha, Dom, and Long Con.

Works for me.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:For reference: Epi, ika, Black Rock, Epi, nobody.

Thanks for reminding me of this- this is actually why I initially doubled back on my suspicion of you after day 1. I promise I'm not going to tunnel on you this entire phase, Epi. Edith does have a point to look at the ones that haven't been talking much.

I also believe Black Rock is good, on an unrelated note

Me too.

Common ground.... mystifying.

Matt wrote:BR I think you're the best so thanks for making me feel guilty right before I make a post attempting to link you and Illy as being in evil cahoots.

LOL. We are not in Evil Cahoots. Using that forever now, btw.

Matt wrote:Observe Illy's reactions to a few players she hasn't seen for a bit...

To Lorab

Illyria wrote:Also, HAHAHAHAHA I totally forgot that you did that!!! How are you??

To Dom

Illyria wrote:DOOOOMMMMMMMM!! OMG, how are you cutie?

To Long Con

Illyria wrote:THAT WAS MY BEST DEATH OF ALL TIME. I am sad I missed them as well, I have always loved playing in your games. It is so good to see your name pop up. Geez y'all are making my black and scarred heart feel all funny.

Now, in these instances, Illy is totes psyched to see these peeps and cannot contain her excitement. Now, let us see her reaction to Black Rock...

Illyria wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm late to the party again. I will go read. I'm a Debbie Downer today so I probably won't be on the forum much tonight.

Okay. Okay we got a hug smiley. That's okay.

In that same post, she also replies to a few other Black Rock comments...

Illyria wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Seeing Illy play has brought my mood up. I like the return of old Mafia friends. I thought I'd never see her again.

Awww shug. I had to bail for a few to get some learnin done.

Okay. Okay then.

And when talking about Dom and whether he plays the same...

Illyria wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I can help with my opinion. For the most part yes. He's much more sneakier. Sometimes I think he falls back into habits but no one believes me when he does.

Huh. Okay good to know, thanks BR.

Huh. Good to know.

Were Illy and BR enemies back in the day or does anyone else think they already did their catch up in a little thing I like to call btsc?

So you are using my OT comments as evidence? Really?

I hugged her because a typically loud Illyria response was not called for when she was upset. I can NOT believe I have to defend how I speak to someone off topic here.

My response of "Huh good to know." Was because I was getting pinged by Dom because his style changed. I then had to suss out if that was my only ping,and he got moved to the back burner. I am not the only one who is concerned about Dom either. It seems that Lady Edith has also been pinged by Dom.

Matt wrote:Cool, I think I went a little crazy anyway, trying to link people when I'm not even sure if one is Mafia.

What does everyone think of just Illy, the Doomstress of Downton? I posted quite a bit about her, I thought.

I don't believe she "had no idea" she missed two votes. Elohcin strikes me as someone who would PM you if you missed two consecutive votes and would be like "so hey, ummmm what up?"

I think she very clearly avoided two civ bandwagons on both Days 1 and 2.

I believe she asked way too many mechanical questions at the beginning of the game, even asking if green was still OT. Like, I'm looking at the button now, and it even says OT. You press OT, you type in some stuff, it comes out green.

But I guess she's alright cuz Epi the President of Civ Lynches says she's on the level. Honestly I'd be down with an Epi lynch too, but I won't vote that way today, I wanna get dat Illy!

Derpa derpy derp derp derp

Elochin did not PM me about missing votes, sorry boo.

I asked too many mechanical questions? Yes, the button did say OT-- but having been gone for two years and recognizing how different the game is from what I remember I wanted to be sure before I got lynched for using the wrong thing... But you are right.. It is not like someone would make a case on me based on my OT chatter.

For the bazillionth time. NO I AM NOT BAD. I AM A CIVVIE. I AM TOWN. I AM NOT MAFIA.

Matt wrote:Basically Epi just said I suck but I'm civ. Totes.

Illy anyone?

I agree with Epi, on both things.

And.. no.

Dom wrote:lc anypme?

Possibly. It will NOT be Epi or myself.

Matt wrote:

Illyria wrote:As for my missed votes, honestly, I had no idea that I missed them. The first day I could have sworn that I voted, the second day I missed I had the dates wrong. I had it in my head I had one more actual day before the vote was over. I think I voted in the thread both times?? I know I would have voted LoRab and answered questions as to why I would have...

I don't believe this in the slightest.

#followmeandvoteforilly

Yeah... That is your prerogative, but let's be clear that my life has not included Mafia for over two years. I have just gotten to the point where I am thinking about it when I am driving, etc. The first week was more like "Was there something I should be doing?? Ohh right Mafia!"

Why would I lie about that? That seems really odd. I could have said anything, why would I say that unless I am telling the truth?

As for my missed votes, honestly, I had no idea that I missed them. The first day I could have sworn that I voted, the second day I missed I had the dates wrong. I had it in my head I had one more actual day before the vote was over. I think I voted in the thread both times?? I know I would have voted LoRab and answered questions as to why I would have...

Matt wrote:Tbqh, I was being a little snooty with my last post because I'm befuddled why more peeps didn't vote siggy boy this phase.

But REALLY thinking about it, Epig has a point. Why would Daisy and sig have a PM discussion without anyone else on it if they really were on a baddie team? That means they were most likely civ btsc'ers. So who else was on Wilgy's list? Epig. Right on top.

I know it's lame and I'm piggybacking off the role reveal of Wilgy, but what does everyone else think?

Ya all think Wilgy was just messin' ? He could've been, knowing Wilgy, but I dunno. I actually have three days off this week, starting today, so assuming dem mafias don't butcher me tonight, perhaps I'll "pay attention" and reread some peeps.

Illy are you bad?

No I am not, and this is my thinking regarding Sig thus me not getting on that train.

thellama73 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Epignosis would be a good place to look.

I disagree. I have not seen a good case yet, my own included. It has been pretty quiet this game, and with only three mafia the odds are not in our favor.

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:Anyone trying to pint the silver kill to me is really pulling bullshit. Anyone should see from the champ game that would know that I couldn't do it.

The fact I struggled this much in champ game alone should show enough that I can't do it twice. Much less before the champ game.

Silverwolf was killed here before you killed her in MCS.

That was the point I was trying to make?

Your point would be stronger if the Downton Abbey Silverwolf kill would have happened after the MCS one.

However, I'm not the one you're going to have to convince on that front.

If you are a civilian, please do not vote for yourself again.

^^This. FFS. We are dropping like flies here, and you want to help the Mafia? Wth?

Matt wrote:#Illyismafialetsgether

Long Con wrote:

Matt wrote:#Illyismafialetsgether

That gets more and more believable as time goes on. Maybe I'll ISO her after Dom, should be faster.

It will be faster, that is the truth.

Matt, no there is no consistency with my voting, that is true. I have made no bones that I am struggling getting reads on people this game.

Honestly, the number of votes that Ika got makes me think he is a civvie.

I think I am going to spend tonight putting on my Opposite Day glasses. The baddies are just sitting back and picking us off one by one. I am going to start looking at people I had put into the town column because at this point I think I have too many of them in there. From that list I am going to look at previous supishes that I have let go.

How do you NOT like peanut butter?? It is yummmmmmy delish. GoT was really good last night. It could have been great, but I am assuming the writers are going to string us along for a bit....

Scotty wrote:

Illyria wrote:

Scotty wrote:

sig wrote:I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.

I mean I just don't trust llama's reads at all this game anyway.

I am not sure I trust anyone's reads in this game, including my own. I am keeping my vote on Nero for now, the sudden Ika train makes me think we may be wrong about them both. I am going to re read and see iif something else sticks out.

On them both, eh? You're definitely someone I will be looking into further

Have at it, buddy.

Scotty wrote:

sig wrote:I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.

I mean I just don't trust llama's reads at all this game anyway.

I am not sure I trust anyone's reads in this game, including my own. I am keeping my vote on Nero for now, the sudden Ika train makes me think we may be wrong about them both. I am going to re read and see iif something else sticks out.

thellama73 wrote:

Matt wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

I think it was Day 2 when Wilgy pretty much cleared Scotty, and in later posts down the line, you can see Wilgy continue to say things like "Don't lynch Scotty!"

Derp

Oh right. I'm voting for Epignosis then. I think he's playing a masterful game and playing us all for fools.

Good luck with that.

sig wrote:I don't like Matt's vote. Right now I'm thinking Nero is mafia. I think Wilgy saw that Scotty/Lorab didn't have BTSC. I also dislike the thing Nero said about civs having BTSC. It seems like a mafia member asking a civ question, or implying they were a civ. Then his weird thing with me/Wilgy.

^^This.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

Maybe we are shifting away from you?

Epignosis wrote:I'm voting Nerolunar. I advise people to do likewise.

Agreed.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... in that case I'm always mafia

Wow. That is an impassioned defense. Okay, thanks.

I am going to ask people who have played with him before is this true?

Nerolunar wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... in that case I'm always mafia

Is spending 3 cycles doing barely anything normal to you? You seemed more active in Arkham despite only living for 1-2 days. Can´t remember the exact time.

^^ Like that.

So I am going through Wilgy's posts and I was going to skip the posting but not posting section like this:

DrWilgy wrote:*Wilgy's body continues to deteriorate*

Until this caught my eye.

DrWilgy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

In your experience does scum usually defend against day one bandwagons?

sorry I'm posting one response at a time and not multi-quoting, I'm at work and don't know when I'm going to have to drop my phone and look like I'm actually working. I don't want to have a big post just sitting there waiting for me to get back to it.

Yes, as I explained in a previous post, I've seen it and done it myself as scum.

I came across that post eventually. I agree that the changeable votes are nice for making those kinds of pressure votes possible... Have you ever defended a day one bandwagon as a civ?

If I think the wagon is on town I will but usually not right away in a game. Only if I think the lynch is going through and I don't want the person lynched. I often will jump on wagons early game for reactions and discussion. I don't defend them then for the most part as town. Usually only later and only when I'm fairly confident it's a mislynch. I did that with ika in Turf Wars on D1 cuz I thought the reasons they were lynching him were bad and amounted to playstyle differences. Later I scumread him and he was scum.

*A bucket of popcorn falls to the floor, it seems to imply that Wilgy used to do the contrary when he was alive. He would just sit back and watch the show as a baddie. "Too much effort to get involved", he would think*

Well, the good news is this is what you are doing, so thanks for clarifying that for us.

Then he was "insanified-- I used the half quote here because since no one else has been insanified he could have been faking.

I see a couple of options here:
1. Lady Rose does not like insanifying people, but they chose Wilgy because she had to (I doubt it)
2. Lady Rose is dead, either before Wigly was "insanified", or is now dead.
3. They missed sending in PM's
4. Wigly is Mafia, and they found out who Lady Rose was, then killed them.

DrWilgy wrote:C'mon everyone.

Since when does a baddie get a 5 vote lead without a cop check claim?

Scolding us here, when up until now, he has contributed almost nothing.

I am not sure how the games work here anymore, but we have done it in games played many a moon ago sans check. Some with, to be sure. Some without. Solid detective work got us there.

DrWilgy wrote:Umm... Lorab senpai...

I still don't understand this really. In urban dictionary it means "someone who will never notice you". I don't see where he was asking her questions or where he was ignored. LoRab maybe Evil but she is pretty good at answering questions directed at her. I thought I remembered it from when I took Japanese so I went to look it up in my dictionary, and I was right. It means "senior member of the group". Using this definition it changes the post a little. She had just said he may have faked

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yes!

If you actually are bad, this might be the most brilliant move I've seen from you yet.

DrWilgy wrote:Do we wanna lynch Sig today?

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Im getting baddie vibrations from Sig.

I'll vote there.

Day 4 and only vibrations? Not a very good reason to vote.

Seems like a good reason to me. Sig why is the reason behind your vote more concerning than the fact that it happened?

This is kind of substantive??

I am not purporting to be the Queen of all Posts of Substance, I am not. I am working under my theory that the Mafia is posting juuuuuust enough to look like the are playing when they are not contributing in a real way.


Linki: Damnit Epi LOL.

sig wrote:@Illyria what do you think of me right know? Who are your top three civ and mafia reads.


@Everyone can you clue me in on Illyria's meta? Is she usually so jokey about serious stuff like lynch votes on her? I've seen a few things one in particular which I'll link and I'm unsure if she is being playful or manipulative. (Not in a bad way, but in like a you might be mafia and I wanna kill you way :P)

Illyria wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm putting a vote on Illy right now. I didn't love her responses to being suspected and I'm going to be out for the rest of teh day.

That hurts young man.

Yes, yes I am. I know this site is more srs bsns than others, but since Wilgy *just* started posting normally, and with Ika refusing to spellcheck, I am not going to apologize for my OTness --or overuse of smileys.

You are in my undecided category. Leaning civ.

Top three civ and mafia reads.

Civ:

Epi
Dom
BR
LC?

Bad:
LC?
Nero
??

Gut leaning civvie but undecided
Matt
Sig
Daisy
llama

Gut leaning bad but undecided:
LoRab (sorry honey, and she is right, I frequently think she is Evil when she is not)
Ika (this is influenced by not being able to understand his posts very well)
Scotty
Sorsha

You may have seen I have LC twice, I do. I try to stay as neutral as I can on him as I have been so SO wrong about him being Evil. I have also been so SO right about it too.

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:"Meta" is foolishness.

I disagree. Though if you won't talk meta what do you think of her slightly manipulative posts and comments about how fast and crazy the game is.


linki: That is actually a good point I forgot about that. @Sorsha why did you keep your vote on bubbles/Bea when she was replaced with an active player?

Wooooooaaaah! I don't think I have ever said it was fast, I have been thankful it has been slow ish as my work schedule was made before I made the call to join the game. Where was I manipulative? Links please.

Next up, I get that you are drumming up any leads you can but keep looking.

ika wrote:and frankly im not in any mood to try to defend myself nor care to.

lynch me and then lynch sig/llama/dasiy

Long Con wrote:

sig wrote:I think I wouldn't need to have asked a loaded question if someone had given me a meta read/insight instead of saying meta was foolish.

The idea that you "needed to ask a loaded question" in order to get the response you wanted is the thing that strikes me as "slightly manipulative" in this situation.

^^ This.

thellama73 wrote:I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

I have been thinking about this game for two days at work, and I think that we do need to look at people who are doing this, Scotty is on my list but I am not ready to vote for him by a long shot. As it stands right now I want to re read Nero and Scotty to get an idea of what stands out or doesnt.

Linki: Great minds Epi *high fives*

Bloody hell. That is not how I wanted that lynch to go.

Sig (I think it was sig) asked me why I voted LoRab when I was not wanting to do so-- because she was my strongest suspish at the time.

I am going to be at work unil midnight tonight, so I will catch y'all on the flip side.

Gah. I hate doing this without her having a chance to defend but my gut has yet to be assuaged from the last day.

*votes LoRab*

Llama, that made me laugh too. A LOT.

I have re-read Llama's posts, and right now, I am leaning civ but I am not convinced of his case on Daisy. This maybe because she is posting how I remember her posting, so for me this is normal-- engaged and passionate. Maybe not the vindictive part but Mafia changes you.

I am going to wait for about 15 minutes but then I have to go get the kids, etc.

As for Wilgy faking it, I was wondering if the insanifier had been changed so to see people talk about it makes me feel better because my initial reaction after the (the what now?) was that didnt make any sense but it felt fake?

Matt, if you are going to come after me because I talk a lot of OT, then buckle up sweetheart. That color and I are besties, that will never change.