The Syndicate

Mister Dearranger wrote:Night Whatever -

You all died. It was sad and done in a quite horrific fashion.

Roxy was rezzed -

So just Roxy wins!!!

Dana wrote:

Keterman wrote: I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me

What's WIFOM?

Made wrote:I must say that I am enjoy this game significantly less now that I have to talk ~normal~

Made wrote:

Roxy wrote:Thank you Made for the post I requested! But talking white? really-----

note: I'm actually black, so I'm mocking anyone who Ever had said I talk white with that line
As for the objective comment, i meant if you were going to vote for svs or sorsha, svs made way more sense. At the mall, voting svs

S~V~S wrote:OK, this is in all seriousness~ my brother just caught his wife cheating on him

I have to vote now, becasue the whole world is about to blow up

Since I think he is bad, voting Made. Hopefully I live if not, rl comes first.

I am so sorry for your brother SVS! He is such a sweetie!

Boogs wrote:Hey im proving a point. You guys always are wrong about me in mafia, so screw it.

Boogs wrote:Hey im proving a point. You guys always are wrong about me in mafia, so screw it.

Roxy wrote:[quote="SVS]@Roxy, i remember the first time I saw you post a list, it was in OA's True Blood back at the original RM site, pre polls. Or that might have been the first game with polls, I don;t recall. Anyhow, I was SO SUSPICIOUS of that, lol. I had never seen a list before, it looked like a baddie shopping list to me. Then when I started playing at STV, everyone made them

Keterman wrote:

Roxy wrote: Made - I hate to tell others how to play so I will just request you make one post NOT in gangsta-speak so that I may understand what you are saying just once. I have found myself skipping your posts bc I do not understand them I will try and find a gansta translator and see if it will help me figure you out for the rest of the game.

I'm not a fan of this read right here. You're excusing not reading Made's posts because you apparently can't understand the gangsta-speak? Everyone else seems to be doing just fine. If you want, I can be the gangsta translator you seem to require.

Keterman wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Keterman wrote:I'm not sure about Boogs. Roxy made what appears to be a decent case on him on the surface, but most of it was criticizing his exaggerations, and not too much of what she pointed out was alignment-indicative. Because of that, the case, and the read, actually comes off as opportunistic to me, so I think it's more likely that Roxy is scum than Boogs is. But they could be bussing each other.

We do not say bussing here bc old school that meant kissing someone. LOL!! We say throw/toss under the bus. So you are saying it is perfectly townie to lie and exaggerate about something that you did not do and that is not bad but when you point it out it is opportunistic? GTK.

See, you say that Boogs both lied and exaggerated there. Which is it? All Boogs did was exaggerate, and yes that is a perfectly townie thing to do, or at least a perfectly non-alignment thing to do. Ironically, to say that he flat-out lied is an exaggeration, but in your case it is scummier because you're trying to make a case against someone (again, opportunistic) while Boogs was most likely just stroking the ego. I don't have a problem with it.
Its both! He lied and exaggerated. He deffo did "help" Sorsha during her lynch. Plain and simple. So since I am making an actual case I am opportunistic and scummy (I hate that word it is so yucky! LOL)

Roxy wrote:

Keterman wrote:The fact that a civilian has even garnered suspicion for not saying RIP scares me enough, but actual lynches over it? If Bullzeye wasn't playing dumb about not knowing what towntells or scumtells were, I think this community needs to read up the MafiaScum encyclopedia. That's no slack to all of you, I like that you guys have a no-drama policy and I love how much thought is put into the games here, but if anyone's been lynched for not saying RIP to a dead player (and this is the first place where I've ever seen "RIP" used), I think you guys need to get a better idea of how to really detect scum.

I do not think its very nice of you to come here and tell we need to read Mafiascum encyclopedia to "get a better idea of how to detect" baddies. I have been playing Mafia since forever. It must be very boring on your site(s) to play if you lynch baddies every time and never lynching a civ. Congrats!

We have lynched for silly reasons' srs bns reasons and for thread based reasons none should be scoffed at since they have both led to baddie lynches and civ deaths.

I personally helped lynch a baddie based on a smiley they used after a gruesome night post. That was on Day 2 no less.Was it wrong to use what I had available to me? As a civ I do not get help bts. I must use what I have in front of me.

So silly or not - right or wrong I will continue to play the way I wish and I hope you will do the same. No one likes to be told they do not know what they are doing and should read someone elses version on how to do it properly. Its rude.


Now I think I will also go old school STV style and make me a list too <3

There are so many things wrong with this. First, just because you would be able to detect baddies better doesn't mean that town would always win. It's a two-way street. The better town gets, the better scum gets. The better scum gets, the better town gets. Don't you think it would be more fun (see, I'm not all about "srs bsns") and more engaging to try and detect scum based on actual analysis rather than randomly voting people for reasons that have no indication of alignment, especially in longer and larger games? When you lynch for silly reasons, you're just rolling dice. It's all luck. No brain activity, no fun, nothing worth taking up your time. You might as well lynch everyone on Day 1 and whoever's the last person to get lynched, wins. It doesn't matter that you lynched baddies a few times with silly reasons because you didn't do it out of skill, you did it out of luck.
In YOUR opinion we would be able to detect baddies better. I still like the way they play on this site and I play on other sites who have different styles than here.

What I don't do is tell them we should all line up and read the encyclopedia so we may all be automatrons and play the same way everywhere. We should all conform to a certain style bc *I* think its the right way to play. I like that there are differences in the sites I play on. Would be quite boring if they all were the same. Skill-Schmill.

Second, your smiley example. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make with that. You can use whatever you want to lynch scum, why would I tell you otherwise? The example you used, although it's out of context from my perspective, makes pretty clear sense to me as an actual scumtell. What makes you assume that I'm attacking your play style personally? I'm not attacking your or anyone, I was giving advice. Is it rude to give advice?

I was giving you an example that sometimes silly reasons to lynch in SOMEONE ELSE'S opinion turn out to be quite good reasons to lynch.

Third, what I was criticizing was something that as I understand has already been phased out of this community's gameplay anyway. Why? Because it was hurting games. Civilians were being lynched for silly reasons that weren't indicative of alignment. If the games are less enjoyable because town is lynching for poor reasons (and lynching scum for poor reasons for that matter) then it's only natural that those reasons be phased out. MafiaScum is the go-to for mafia gameplay strategies and such. There are differences displayed within the site itself on what's best to do or not do, so it's not like an exclusive, objective command book for all mafia players from all over the world to obey. It's just a bunch of ideas. I differ from most of the players there in a lot of ways that are gameplay-related, just as I differ from most of the players in the RYM OT. As you said, you are free to play however you want, as am I. If you know this, and I know this, then why get so offended and high-and-mighty? I said in the section that you quoted that part of what I like about this site is the strict no-drama policy. So why create drama when there is none?

Keterman wrote:I'm not sure about Boogs. Roxy made what appears to be a decent case on him on the surface, but most of it was criticizing his exaggerations, and not too much of what she pointed out was alignment-indicative. Because of that, the case, and the read, actually comes off as opportunistic to me, so I think it's more likely that Roxy is scum than Boogs is. But they could be bussing each other.

nutella wrote:Uh Roxy this is bothering me so I'm just going to point it out -- you took that first Boogs quote entirely out of context. Did you even read the whole sentence?:

Because if people wanted to bring up that maybe SVS was in cahoots with Sorsha, then wouldn't the same be said for DH voters?

Doesn't look to me like he's saying it's his opinion that SVS was in cahoots with Sorsha, rather that he was commenting on other people possibly thinking that. I could be interpreting this wrong of course so I will let Boogs clear up his meaning.
And I don't really understand what you're trying to say about him anyway. His posts that you quoted all look really consistent. They all say in some form or another that he had a feeling Sorsha was civ. I don't see much contradiction at all, except when he said Sorsha's self vote was odd.

I'm curious to hear more from Hedge and SVS today. I thought DH's point about Hedge saying the kill was a "strange choice" was worth noting, but I could see her posting that as innocent speculation as well. Also, I do remember something about her "top posters theory" from the Occult game. So I'd like to hear more from her on that. I'm feeling better about SVS since her latest post but I will still pay some attention to her.

Hedgeowl wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Hedge how did you go from this:

Hedgeowl wrote:Alrighty then this is a chatty game! Honestly, I read the Sorsha SVS Puppygate as the hilarious Day 0 event that it was and nothing more. I would look at Sorsha the most for being so Gungho about wanting to be a leader, but yeah SVS even shared pics of her dog and cat, so obviously this got "personal" I would say and would definitely not be the SVS baddie strategy some of us are used to.

Explanation forthcoming: In first statement you quoted Roxy I said, "I would..., but" about Sorsha. What I meant was that normally I would be more suspicious of someone like Sorsha coming in and advocating too hard to be picked, but reading through all the posts it felt like a silly fun and entertaining way to go about Day 0, not super serious strategizing. The way SVS responded to "puppies!" felt the same. Like they were two people having fun in a game (this is a game right? ). That was my initial read on the situation, so the two comments I made were consisten in my feelings.

To this:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Roxy wrote:I've been patiently waiting for Hedge's response but tbh its time to vote or miss it - *Votes Hedge*

Fortunately I made it in time to vote, but I was too slow getting back to the computer today to respond with enough time. Thanks for waiting so long.

Of the two SVS seems the most likely to be suspicious. Sorsha is definitely reading as frustrated civ on my catch-up.

Votes SVS

Linki - Roxy, I was rushing back to computer and just grabbed the post I found under your name with my quotes in it. It wasn't anything more devious than that

I don't see anything more to explain. Yep, that's what I said. If you have specific questions I am happy to answer them. You want me to explain why I didn't vote for Sorsha who turned up civ?

Also, no one has addressed the obvious to me voting that indicates SVS is likely a civ as well. No one tried to save her or Sorsha and it seems like that's a good sign that no baddies were actually up for lynch.

Roxy- you are right I am "here" often, but usually reading to keep up while I have an eye on my very active toddler. plus I auto login on my computer. There are so many comments that never get posted that I usually wait till he's asleep.

Bullzeye wrote:Since the poll ends six hours after I go to bed (even if I wasn't super tired there's no way I'd stay up) I'm probably gonna have to vote really early but I have no idea who for and obviously nobody else is here to talk...

nutella wrote:RIP Epig

No idea what the note means :S

Elohcin wrote:Roxy - could you restate your case on hedge? I read through your on-topic posts but I don't really follow what you are saying about Hedge. I have had a baddie vibe from her almost since the beginning but I don't like to go on vibes only. She just doesn't seem to be all that with-it concerning the game, that is. But that isn't enough for me to vote her.

Boogs wrote:Um so question MR, does her role mean that everyone who voted for her can't vote tomorrow and are silenced? Or am I not understanding? And RIP Sorsha! Felt like you honestly were a frustrated Civ and tried to help save you.

Boogs wrote:This game is cray cray lol. I am off today trying to catch up and I don't know what to make of everything lol. I'm not sure to continue thinking Sorsha for the Day 0 vote was really her playing dumb or if she was really just confused. And I'm not sure what to make of SVS voting for her, I think it's ballsy that early to vote for a teammate when most of us were self voting. But it looked like DH won? I don't see the poll so I must have missed before it ended. Because if people wanted to bring up that maybe SVS was in cahoots with Sorsha, then wouldn't the same be said for DH voters? If anyone has the poll results that would help us all

Boogs wrote:Sorsha self voting and not giving much defense was odd. Hmmmm...

Boogs wrote:I forgot the deadline! I felt bad after Sorsha's non defense and i ended up taking it as civ frustration. Threw a vote for SVS to help give Sorsha a chance. Mrow!

Boogs wrote:SVS I understand you defended and Sorsha didn't as well, however I had a gut feeling she was frustrated and not bad so I had to vote you in order to help her. Putting up a good defense doesn't mean someone is Civ however. So I tried to help her and it turned out she was Civ after all. Not sure what you are yet, but I look forward to hearing more from you now that you are still alive.

And Dana thank you for clearing up that you and Made knew Nutella pre- Misfits Mafia. I took it kind of as her defending a teammate and now I understand better.

With the new info that we see Sorsha was Civ, what do you guys think should our votes go for tomorrow?