The Syndicate

Good game, civvies!

Ika, why did you kill me? That was one of the more legitimately frustrating experiences I've had in Mafia, A. Because it was totally unexpected, and B. Because I thought I had just saved Epi and would be a massive help to the town.

Long Con wrote: Wish we still had DFaraday around.

Epignosis wrote: It worked against me, the civilian killer Hullk Hogan, in WWE, so hopefully that will honor Lord Faraday.

As a host, I found your perpetual failed kills extremely cringeworthy. Now I know not to put a role check and block on the same team.

I HATE EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW

Polo wrote:What are you folks opinion of thellama73 and DFaraday?

Probably civvie but misguided, and strongly civvie.

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't mind the support for my choice, but the suddenness of it and lack of independent reasoning regarding it is a shameful display.
There's not much point in making a case if you want everyone else to remain unconvinced and make their own independent cases.

Anyway, I thought your points were compelling so I looked over Lorab, and it is suspicious to me that her only suspicion was more of a policy vote than real suspicion, and furthermore, I think there could be something to the fact that I took a ton of votes for saying I didn't think Dom was bad while Lorab did not. That point could apply to BR as well, actually.

The above, combined with the fact that I don't think Daisy is bad makes Lorab my top choice.
The fact that two confirmed civilians suspected you and are both dead does not make me feel especially comfortable about you coming on board.

Fair enough.

Epignosis wrote:I don't mind the support for my choice, but the suddenness of it and lack of independent reasoning regarding it is a shameful display.

There's not much point in making a case if you want everyone else to remain unconvinced and make their own independent cases.

Anyway, I thought your points were compelling so I looked over Lorab, and it is suspicious to me that her only suspicion was more of a policy vote than real suspicion, and furthermore, I think there could be something to the fact that I took a ton of votes for saying I didn't think Dom was bad while Lorab did not. That point could apply to BR as well, actually.

The above, combined with the fact that I don't think Daisy is bad makes Lorab my top choice.

Matt wrote:Yesterday DF almost died. Today he has no votes.

Nero, sig - Do you no longer find DF suss?

Also, Nero - Can't really put my finger on it wrt Illy. I felt she was asking too many questions in thread about stuff like the OT button.

I also think if one of Lorab/ika are bad, then we should check out the other.

Not currently voting for her, but I'm not opposed, at all, to a Daisy lynch.

To be fair, most of the votes on me yesterday had virtually no reasoning behind them. The same thing happened to Dom on Day 1, he took a few weak votes and then everyone forgot about wanting to lynch him. Not sure why this is happening, but it is.

sig wrote:
Matt wrote:Yesterday DF almost died. Today he has no votes.

Nero, sig - Do you no longer find DF suss?

Also, Nero - Can't really put my finger on it wrt Illy. I felt she was asking too many questions in thread about stuff like the OT button.

I also think if one of Lorab/ika are bad, then we should check out the other.

Not currently voting for her, but I'm not opposed, at all, to a Daisy lynch.
I do, but there is no momentum against him and nobody else seems to agree.

Do you have a reason besides gut feeling?

Linki: I agree that BR's Sorsha vote was really random. Maybe she was blackmailed?

Voting Lorab because I think Epi makes a good case on her and I don't really agree with the Daisy reasoning.

sig wrote:
sig wrote:I see three scenarios here.

1. Ika is mafia and killed Silver before she could get a strong read on him.
2. Someone killed Silver to frame Ika, this points to an experienced mafia member.
3. Silver mainly talked about DF, Epi, and LC around the time of her death and EOD. One of them is mafia and killed her.
I'm requoting this, the more I think about the more likely it is to be true, plus I think all three would think that Ika could be framed for Silver's death. I'll do the leg work for it over the phase, I'm just throwing out some thoughts right now.

I don't get what you're going for here. Killing Silverwolf makes Ika look better, not worse.

And thanks to whoever Matthew is. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Yikes, that was close. Had I been around, I obviously would have switched to Bubbles, though it sucks that she's dead. I'm feeling better about Matt now that he's gotten involved in the game.

Spacedaisy wrote:Well, don't be surprised if it gets people suspicious. We believe words matter around here. Also, I am probably most confident in you as town fwiw. So don't take my questioning as a sign of distrust.

DF, who are you top suspects currently?

Nero has pinged me with his reasoning and rather unsubstantiated votes for me, and I'm also not liking Wilgy's gimmick posting. He's hardly contributed anything despite being around frequently. Llama's bit about going after you doesn't make sense either. Given his line of thought, obviously it would make more sense to lynch me before you. But don't do that either, Llama.

sig wrote:I won't be around much tomorrow, but will hopefully be around at EOD. If not I'll be voting now.

I still believe there is a good chance DF is mafia. Last game in which I suspected him and didn't follow through he did end up flipping mafia. So I'll be voting for him today.

Lynch DFaraday

Bubbles wrote:im here! i voted dfaraday cause i'm following sig's lead
not because i have any affiliation with sig
but he's the last person to vote and there is no way i can catch up right now, at work
i hope i am not wrong

Both of these votes are terrible and make no sense.

Nerolunar wrote:Granted, I did understand his point about being wary of wagons but he looks so much like Arkham - thats the main driving force. Sorry if I'm being confusing about this.

So you're not going to address my response in which I told you that this is how I play every game? Okay.

thellama73 wrote:
DFaraday wrote: I'm voting Matt for now because literally every post he's had this game is about how he's behind and needs to catch up.
This is true, and upsetting, and I kind of want to vote for him too, but I can't see a baddie intentionally adopting it as a strategy. Do you think his failure to catch up is indicative of alignment, or is this just a protest vote to try to get him to pay attention?

I think it could be a baddie tactic, trying to lie low in the early going while falling back on the "I was just trying to catch up" preemptive defense. If so, though, Matt is leaning really heavily on it. Still, I feel comfortable leaving my vote there for now.

Nerolunar wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Nerolunar wrote: Lllama why are you suspicious of me? I would like to know
What part of "without explanation" do you people not understand?
Okay.

I assume Mcgonnamakeyouvoteacertainwaygal made you do it.

I could see a DFaraday lynch today. He has been wallflowering a little and it reminds me of Arkham. BWT looked worse than DF yesterday but with him gone, there is still suspicion towards DF that has not been settled yet. Im voting for him so far.

DFaraday

I know you've only played the on game with me, but wallflowering is my signature move in every game.

I'm voting Matt for now because literally every post he's had this game is about how he's behind and needs to catch up.

Isn't pointing out slight mistakes better than nothing?

Silverwolf wrote:This is in response to DFaraday who I am currently voting for ISO purposes I'm putting it in thread too.

Silverwolf wrote: Well, I can give you my honest opinion on it. I'm less inclined to care about my voting as town. As scum, I'm a lot more careful about it. So joining a bandwagon right away in a game, leans town for me as it promotes discussion and pressures someone that most likely needs it. This kind of pushing is townie to me. Now, if someone jumps on a major bandwagon with lame reasoning on someone who looks town or flips town, I'm gonna re-examine that a lot more closely next day.

The issue I had with your post is the fact that you started the day defending the leading wagon. It could be you honestly don't believe Dom is scum but I don't get that impression from you. You could be defending a teammate, possible. OR, you could be whiteknighting a wagon as scum which I have done before in past games. Usually in my opening statements because A) It's conversation that is easy to make and looks protown and/or B) I know the wagon is on town and it will give me town points going forward.

Due to your overall posting so far, I'm going with the later for now.

Thanks for the response. I've always associated bandwagons with baddie behavior, probably in part because I come from a forum where votes were typically not changeable, but also because it feels like a way to hide and shirk responsibility. As a matter of principle I try not to vote along with bandwagons unless I honestly believe that person is the most suspicious or to save myself.

So when I see a bandwagon spring up, it puts me on edge. Especially one that has so little substance to it, like this one in my opinion.

Linki: I don't currently suspect anyone who suspected Dom, but if I had to pick one, I guess BR because she seemed a bit wafflier about it than LoRab. If other people pointed it out I missed it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.
I disagree. Who would we lynch if it's not the player playing the least civilian of any of us?

I think someone can play with a style that you might perceive as not benefiting the town, but that may still be attempting to hunt baddies in their own way. There's a difference between not playing like a civ (whatever that even means) and actually doing suspicious things (defending someone who turned out to be bad, voting to save a baddie, etc.).

BWT's train of thought makes no sense, so I'm putting my vote there for now.

Black Rock wrote:I don't really see the Dom suspicion at all and yet he already has four votes. Are the votes changeable this game? I might have missed where it says.

DrWilgy wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Scotty wrote:So I'm sitting here on the latrine with a revolver pressed against my cranium and I'm currently reading Sherlock Holmes. So there ya go.

Anyone else want to make some gun to head reads?
Don't you think it's a little early?
*There's a note next to Wilgy's body*

It's never too late for love. Seize the chance while you can. Life is too short.

*It seems like Wilgy wanted his friends to go out and hug those who are near to them (before his demise of course)*
lol, I have loved you from the first moment I hosted you.

And here BR said the same thing as me. But I guess it's only suspicious when I find sudden bandwagons forming almost instantly and for no clear reason to be weird.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.
I agree with this. If Dom is doing something that someone feels is suspicious and pointed it out, then I must have missed it. I'll look back later and see if I can find it though.
Somehow I went to post before I finished my thought. Need more coffee still...

That being said, if Dom is indeed bad, then this looks like someone trying to offer a subtle defense of a teammate without providing any legitimate backing to it.

I think I know where I'm putting a placeholder vote for now.

Also, what do you mean by legitimate backing? You yourself said that you haven't noticed anything suspicious from Dom, what else is there to say about it?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.
I agree with this. If Dom is doing something that someone feels is suspicious and pointed it out, then I must have missed it. I'll look back later and see if I can find it though.
Somehow I went to post before I finished my thought. Need more coffee still...

That being said, if Dom is indeed bad, then this looks like someone trying to offer a subtle defense of a teammate without providing any legitimate backing to it.

I think I know where I'm putting a placeholder vote for now.

So you agree with me, but you're voting me anyway. Okay.

Silverwolf wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.
This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

Is going along with bandwagons more townish behavior?

Or are you saying I was dishonestly baddie reading Ika?

Long Con wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:I wouldn't say anyone who's characterized my game is wrong. I just think "sneaky" is a weird word to use to characterize someone you don't suspect.
How can Black Rock suspect you over the span of years? The context was about how you've changed.

In other words, she used a word to describe your overall play as it has evolved, irrespective of you right now.

Black Rock wrote:
Dom wrote:
Illyria wrote:Scotty and Llama, I do not think I know you, but you have been cracking me up during my catch up.
I am an ASL interpreter.

Okay, Dom here is my first question. Has your game play changed significantly do you think?

Also, can someone please remind me how we multi quote here? I will go hunting in just a mo but figured maybe I could get a faster answer in thread.
From the last time you saw it? I wouldn't say significantly.
Since the last time we played together a lot? I'd say so. But feel free to ask other people from LP/TP too!
I can help with my opinion. For the most part yes. He's much more sneakier. Sometimes I think he falls back into habits but no one believes me when he does.
That's a general view, not one that is specific right now. She doesn't have to suspect you right now to say this.
I'm not saying that I'm suspicious of Black Rock for it. I'm saying it was weird word choice.

You of all people know that word choice is important. You know that saying I'm sneaky in the thread might be a nice way to push a Dom lynch without supporting a Dom lynch.
And you just said you don't suspect her but then turned around and ascribed nefarious intentions to her choice of words....
Actually, that's true. Dom, what can you say about this dichotomy in your post? You say you're not suspicious of BR, but then your last sentence really reads as though the opposite were true.

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.
I tend to think that baddies, primarily when there is only one baddie team, would be more inclined to give Civ reads than baddie reads, because they're honest (aka 100% sure), whereas any baddie reads are inherently dishonest and harder to manage. That's the feeling I got from this post of yours. Putting my vote on DFaraday at this time.

I didn't even give a civ read of anyone. I don't think Dom is civ per se, I just haven't seen anything to make me think he's bad, nor to justify four votes on him so early in the day.

I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

Yay game!

Cherished childhood memory...I guess watching Bonanza with my grandma? It used to be on every day. It wasn't good after Adam left the show though.

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