The Syndicate

Banners are here! Thanks to LC.

At first I was a Breen with FZ., Bass, and Zomba, and we came up with a smiley mechanism that at first Rox implied was against the rules but later she said it was OK for us to use. It backfired in the end, but I died so I wasn't able to influence it. I thought that once my teammates outed themselves that we should have broken the pact and voted them. :P Nonetheless, I was willing to give Bass a one-day pass and see how it went from there... but I died.

Rox, this was hands down one of my favorite games ever!

And congrats to all the winners!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rezz please.

Welcome to the land of the dead.

Snowman wrote:Down another civvie, this does not bode well for us. I'm scared to say anything, FZ had her super-secret spreadsheets, and she got killed for it!

Let me be first to welcome our anthropomorphic overlords Wasatch and Hunger and....Pestilence (I don't remember who's left).

thellama73 wrote:In fairness to the players, and with the greatest love and respect to Roxy, the mechanics of the game sort of inevitably set up arguments like this.

I for one have loved every second of playing this game and watching it now that I'm dead. Perhaps my favorite speed game I have ever played.

and I mean it.

WTF!!!! Screw you, James Reed.

Oh well, go civvies! And thanks for the awesome game Rox!

I know for a fact at least one role changed, but it was not my own.

fingersplints wrote:Also, tbh it makes the LEAST sense that I am Epi's partner because I freely admitted my role didn't change. That is the likely the only player alive who does not have btsc therefore wouldn't have known if anyone else's roles changed.

You are really reaching MP.

Does it? Hardly anyone was calling you out on being bad previously.

I don't understand how your second sentence argues your point.

You're awfully defensive when all I did was make some observations and asked everyone to consider them.

fingersplints wrote:I freely admitted my role did not change because I asked Rox if I could.

I backed off Rico when he made his role obvious. I'm not the Hunger, but I find it interesting you are so gung ho to go after the LMS rather then the mafia team that just killed

Consider voting me all I want. I am doing the same for you.

That's all well and good, but unless you're lying about your role not having changed, then that means my thoughts that have developed regarding you are still valid.

You find it interesting? What does that mean? You suspect me for it?

I have absolutely no leads on the mafia team because roles have rotated and we just found out Trice was one of them. I haven't thought of any connections just yet. I'm more than willing to discuss all kinds of players today other than you; where did I express that I WASN'T?

Why are you considering a vote for me?

I'm looking at fingersplints today. I think she is Epi's teammate.

Consider the following (in chronological order):
1) Dom's interactions with Epi
2) splints asks if we can talk about past roles
3) splints suggests that maybe Epi knew he would not be lynched
4) splints agrees that Rico/Epi connection is "very interesting" and she could "totally see Epi doing that"
5) splints says Rico is "bothering" her still, pursues him more aggressively after others have started doing so
6) splints starts backing off of Rico before the Levinah kill occurs
7) after the kill, splints says she is OK with voting Bass or Ty "based on low posting reasons"
8) voted Ty, said she could always move her vote if there was a more convincing case, yet she didn't do so

In addition, she has struck me as not genuine in many of her posts.

I was waiting to see what would happen, however, since we had a role/ability rotation.

BUT since she freely admitted her role has not changed, I think she should definitely be considered today.

It won't take long at all to skim through Dom's and splints's posts. I'm curious if others see what I am seeing.

Roxy wrote:
Levinah Murphy wrote:Do not look so eagerly for the change of skin, but rather the change of skill.

I concur.

RIP Rico.

Welcome back, Llama! Good move by Antonio.

fingersplints wrote:That's pretty standard posting for all the people you mentioned.

I agree, except that I think Trice may have posted more if he were civilian.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:So does anyone have any ideas what the letters could be used for?

I honestly have no idea. My best guess is that these letter selections somehow interact with the letters we were each given at the beginning of the game. They probably do so in a very particular way that determines a mechanism for every time we switch roles. Not sure how anything can be surmised from them though.

Black Rock wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I know it's now a one-day Night phase, but I have a very important RL project to finish this week and it'll probably be best for me (especially given what a complete and crazy distraction this D2 was for me, specifically) to be away from Mafia today (February 10), perhaps even completely off it.
Ok, but today is totally the ninth!

MP - I see two smilies the same in my list but not a proper blush. Weird, right?
You have a better blush smiley? if so, post it here, and I'll get to adding these real soon.

So sorry folks. I promise I don't ignore anyone that has smiley requests, but between mafiaing and everything else I have to do on the site, the smileys end up slipping my mind half the time. So if you have smiley suggestions, whether you have a specific one in mind or a vague suggestion, please post it in that thread.
Posting it in random games seems to have worked. I didn't even know that other thread existed.

It probably did for at least some of them; I just have a hard time keeping track of and being informed of all the different requests.

Black Rock wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I know it's now a one-day Night phase, but I have a very important RL project to finish this week and it'll probably be best for me (especially given what a complete and crazy distraction this D2 was for me, specifically) to be away from Mafia today (February 10), perhaps even completely off it.
Ok, but today is totally the ninth!

MP - I see two smilies the same in my list but not a proper blush. Weird, right?

You have a better blush smiley? if so, post it here, and I'll get to adding these real soon.

So sorry folks. I promise I don't ignore anyone that has smiley requests, but between mafiaing and everything else I have to do on the site, the smileys end up slipping my mind half the time. So if you have smiley suggestions, whether you have a specific one in mind or a vague suggestion, please post it in that thread.

Ricochet wrote:Dance party? I'd go more for something in the vein of Rite of Spring.

Or this.

Zomberella12 wrote: Sleepy guy for Bass.

Sleepy party? Now that's my kind of party.

Well, that's awesome. BIH Trice, hope to play with you again soon!

Voting A.

Zomberella12 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks Rico and SVS!

I must admit, I also put some stock in BR's opinion of LC for good reason.
Yes, but why do you trust BR?

I don't necessarily trust her, but I don't have reason to think she's bad at the moment either.

I just recognize that BR can generally read LC pretty well.

Thanks Rico and SVS!

I must admit, I also put some stock in BR's opinion of LC for good reason.

Zomberella12 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice has a more possible connection to Epi and defended him HARD, and he was the one I thought I'd end up voting today when the day began. Thinking about it, I also think his suspicion of LC is a bit opportunistic.

I know LC's antics are weird, and I can't make heads or tails of it, but he read genuine to me earlier. Only reason I switched to LC was given I didn't want to lynch Rico and wasn't sure I'd be back in time.

Switching to Trice
I still think my vote for Russ is a good vote. I hope you're not wrong about Tricer.

I honestly have not much of a clue if Trice is bad, but going into today the players I thought I trusted least and seemed perhaps most connected to Epi were Rico, Russ, and Trice, so it's OK with me. I do feel bad he isn't around to defend himself though.

Trice has a more possible connection to Epi and defended him HARD, and he was the one I thought I'd end up voting today when the day began. Thinking about it, I also think his suspicion of LC is a bit opportunistic.

I know LC's antics are weird, and I can't make heads or tails of it, but he read genuine to me earlier. Only reason I switched to LC was given I didn't want to lynch Rico and wasn't sure I'd be back in time.

Switching to Trice

Wow, that's surprising. RIP Llama.

Occam's Razor suggests the following scenario:
Rico is Murphy and used one of his three kills because he strongly believed Llama to be bad and didn't want to be lynched this period. Not only did it accomplish the use of one of his three available abilities, but it worked as a signaling mechanism.

As a result, I'm switching my vote to LC.

I appreciate Rico's attempts to defend himself, but they haven't really changed my mind. I acknowledge that I don't feel THAT strongly about him, but it's Day 2 and I can't fathom a better player for my vote before the roles change.

Sorry, Rico.

Snowman wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Snowman wrote:
Russ wrote:I doesn't! However, I am against using info to lunch baddies. See X-Men.
What alternative is there? Lynching baddies by telepathy?
Actually, that's what I'm trying with S~V~S... it doesn't seem to be working though, because it seems to me like Zomberella is on S~V~S' team, and they're feeling Civvie to me. I should probably change my vote. I guess it worked as a tester vote, because I think it gave me information about Civvies.

I'll vote for someone else, haven't decided yet. I'm not trying to manipulate, I promise.
waitaminit, are we not allowed to manipulate? No one told me!

Duly noted, thanks Trice!

triceratopzeuhl wrote:unless he has the secret power "when you get lynched all civvies die lel," I don't see what the issue is. If he doesn't want to play he's going to hinder more than he helps even if he's civ - but I think he's bad anyway

What do you think of Rico?

thellama73 wrote:LC clearly wants to be lynched, which is usually a good reason not to lynch somebody.

See, that's what I'm worried about here. But there's always the issue that he could be doing that as a ploy to avoid getting lynched, when in reality he would NOT like to be lynched.

Stupid WIFOM.

Zomberella12 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:EBWOP

By Tyler I mean TySlayer, but I'm sure that could be surmised.
No comment.

Okay, just was curious if you had a read on him, and thought I'd play devil's advocate with your argument.

EBWOP

By Tyler I mean TySlayer, but I'm sure that could be surmised.

Zomberella12 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:I don't have any ideas on baddies we could possibly lunch before day's end who we didn't get info on, so I'll vote Zombie for suspecting me.
Really? No ideas on baddies. I think I might have hit a nerve. You can't lunch me if I lunch you first.

While I don't trust Russ for one second this game, just because someone doesn't have any ideas on baddies, especially in a game as complicated as this, does not imply they are bad. It could, especially taken in with other factors (which is how I feel about Russ, but nonetheless I wouldn't gun against him right now, I just have a few things I wonder about).

To play devil's advocate:

Do you believe Tyler to be bad? No one appears to have defended him yet, and he has issued similar statements to the one above from Russ.

Russtifinko wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Hmm! Looks like Zombie suspects me. Not are it's anything I can really respond to, though...

Ricochet wrote:Fine, vote for me then. I'm not defending myself as a cornered Hunger, I am defending myself as a civ mortified that everything I have done in D1 is now blowing up in my face simply because I did not respond to Epig's agressive and rousy banter and gameplay and such. Llama's points are indeed excellent for an easy hunt and lynch. They'll also highly circumstantial and blinding.

Why didn't I post what before?
What exactly pinged you about my interpretations of the vote result? What are you own interpretations?

I did not imply E. Donner had any real info. I did not imply we should go back and hunt from there on. I simply asked what others think, in new context. Same question for E. Donner's new message.

I think early and late are both bad timings, in general. I've seen the effects of both, so far, in the two games I've played so far. The early started lynch train for Epignosis now circumstancially seems like a great action, because he ended up flipping bad. You will have the opportunity to witness the opposite outcome, if you lynch me in the same manner. But you seem fine with wrapping up my trial as quick as Snowman urged it himself, so by all means.
This post strikes me as unusually astute for a new player. Epi almost always starts games trying to get a rise out of people and then lynching them, and Rico was smart enough to avoid it.

I don't support a Rico lynch today, and I regret supporting Epi's lunch yesterday. I was reading him as actually not concerned/not caring about being lunched, and it now seems apparent to me that he was angry about the info dump. So yes, Rico could be bad, but I think using info to get him if he is would be unfair of us, especially with a rotation likely impending and likely to render the dump moot.

I don't have any ideas on baddies we could possibly lunch before day's end who we didn't get info on, so I'll vote Zombie for suspecting me.
Seriously?

How does any info affect Rico's alignment?
I doesn't! However, I am against using info to lunch baddies. See X-Men.

I know you are, but I'm just confused. I understand why perhaps some process of elimination (though it's possible FZ. or LC was lying; and there's also Elizabeth Donner) helped narrow Epi down, but I don't understand how it narrows Rico down.

Russtifinko wrote:Hmm! Looks like Zombie suspects me. Not are it's anything I can really respond to, though...

Ricochet wrote:Fine, vote for me then. I'm not defending myself as a cornered Hunger, I am defending myself as a civ mortified that everything I have done in D1 is now blowing up in my face simply because I did not respond to Epig's agressive and rousy banter and gameplay and such. Llama's points are indeed excellent for an easy hunt and lynch. They'll also highly circumstantial and blinding.

Why didn't I post what before?
What exactly pinged you about my interpretations of the vote result? What are you own interpretations?

I did not imply E. Donner had any real info. I did not imply we should go back and hunt from there on. I simply asked what others think, in new context. Same question for E. Donner's new message.

I think early and late are both bad timings, in general. I've seen the effects of both, so far, in the two games I've played so far. The early started lynch train for Epignosis now circumstancially seems like a great action, because he ended up flipping bad. You will have the opportunity to witness the opposite outcome, if you lynch me in the same manner. But you seem fine with wrapping up my trial as quick as Snowman urged it himself, so by all means.
This post strikes me as unusually astute for a new player. Epi almost always starts games trying to get a rise out of people and then lynching them, and Rico was smart enough to avoid it.

I don't support a Rico lynch today, and I regret supporting Epi's lunch yesterday. I was reading him as actually not concerned/not caring about being lunched, and it now seems apparent to me that he was angry about the info dump. So yes, Rico could be bad, but I think using info to get him if he is would be unfair of us, especially with a rotation likely impending and likely to render the dump moot.

I don't have any ideas on baddies we could possibly lunch before day's end who we didn't get info on, so I'll vote Zombie for suspecting me.

Seriously?

How does any info affect Rico's alignment?

Snowman wrote:Otherwise, civvies gotta eat!

In your case, a terrifying snowman.

I wouldn't want to be eaten by that thing.

Snowman wrote:I feel like LC is working altogether too hard to be obnoxious. I think he's trying to take the heat off someone else. I also think that LC must feel confident that ha can't be killed. He's trying to take the bullet (for Rico, perhaps) .

If that's the case, do you think LC and Rico are on the Wasatch team? Because, knowing that Epi is Weather, only one person can be his teammate (Hunger), which means both LC and Rico can't be on Epi's team -- making the Epi-Rico connection bogus.

I agree with what you've said, though, and what Llama has said about Rico, but that's the problem I'm having at the moment.

thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:Okay, thanks for clarifying, Roxy. This means we're back to looking for baddies.

I have three questions:

1. What do people make of the fact that two people "defended" Rico? Do you think it's just their assumptions or does it look like he could be legit? Since they defended him before we knew the roles will be switched at the end of the day, defending someone on your baddie team would be very dangerous. So if their defence seems real, I'd trust that he's a civ. If it just their opinion, then Rico could be Epi's team mate.

2. Any theories on why LC self voted too?

3. Since it's the other team's turn to kill the next night, will it make any change if we lynch one of them in terms of the kill?
1. They could just be people who don't think he's bad without being on his team. I still think the case on Rico is as good as any I have ever seen on Day 2 and I don't intend to move my vote.

2. I don't understand why anyone self votes, ever. Never have, never will.

3. Both teams kill every night. If Rico is Hunger, as I theorize, then one of the teams will be eliminated, and we will have less to worry about.

Well, I was going to answer the questions, but Llama did such a good job answering them that I will just say:

"This."

Snowman, can you explain your thought process behind what you're currently thinking? Are you still thinking Rico is best for the vote today?

FZ. wrote:Hey, Epi was indeed a baddie! Nice . RIP MM. I hope Epi is not too upset about this. I really was looking forward to playing with him. It was definitely too short .
So if at least some roles have changed, does it even matter if Rico was Epi's partner? What am I missing here?

Maybe I missed something, but why are you assuming this happened?

Ricochet wrote:MP wondered already why he isn't reading more hunting posts from me, but he himself assumed correctly I'm too pressured right now to defend myself.

While that may be true, who do you think is worth looking at today?

Ricochet wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm totally OK with voting Rico. I think the Epi connection is very possible and Rico's recent posts have struck me as too much form, not enough substance.
Not sure what you mean by that. But I do like that simplistic, on the spot verdicts (and votes) keep pouring in, no matter how much I argue against or invite to specific discussions,

Well, it's not really so much that -- I won't say anything about Film since that game is still ongoing -- but your posts in this game, particularly your most recent cycle's, are just reading differently to me. You don't seem as baddie hunt-y, though that could be partially because you're spending time defending yourself, so I recognize that.

I do think it's weird you also withheld the poll results after you said "Yes" and people kept asking for them, but I don't know if that has an effect on your alignment.

I'd also be fine voting Russ today, but it seems the wind is blowing more in your direction, and probably for better reasons. Frankly, you're not overtly baddie-seeming to me, but you seem more likely to be bad at this point than practically anyone else, so hence my sentiment.

I also don't trust LC one bit myself.

I'm totally OK with voting Rico. I think the Epi connection is very possible and Rico's recent posts have struck me as too much form, not enough substance.

Snowman wrote:Voting for Ricochet for lunch. A quick glance over the forums, and I'm convinced he's complicit with Epi. C'mon guys, vote early!

Can you elaborate?

Russtifinko wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:And the only person that seemed to defend Epi was Trice, so make of that what you will.
But this isn't true....

S~V~S wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Can we not lynch Epi? I wanted to play mafia with him.
Agreed. I thought I'd see some insight reading through the thread why he and LC are the top candidates. It seems Epi's being voted for being Epi. Let the man play, for God's sake! :P LC seems to be voted because of (possibly fake?) infodumping, even though others have seemingly done the same, and given this as a reason to vote Epi (the whole "it's probability" thing). And now LC's voted himself. So many self votes and switches. Is there something I'm missing? There's definitely some weirdness going on here. Weird game. So let's make it interesting.

Let's make it a tie and see what happens.
I thought people were voting for Epi becasue of FZ's theory about probability. I voted for him because of how he reacted to my vote for Zomba. I think he knows I am not bad, and he voted for me anyhow.

In any case all the self voting, yikes.
Why so set on trice over these two, MP?

Because I forgot about them.

Thanks for pointing them out! All I remembered was Trice, but apparently I misremembered.

I also appreciate the thoughts that Llama brought forth on Rico. Something to think about.

Zomberella12 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:By making a strong, credible case against someone you think is bad. Isn't that the essence of this game?
Right now, I have no information about anyone bad; only information about people who are good.
That's not the best orientation (for reason already stated), that's all I can say. You can freely read into what people are posting, perhaps even read it in a both civ/bad way, but usually at the end of the day we come with reason to lynch people, for believing they are bad.
Got it. Thanks.

You're doing awesome, don't sweat it.

thellama73 wrote:What happened to Rustifinko? He hasn't posted in two days. Did he vote?

Speaking of Russtifinko, he's high on my list of possible people to lunch today.

Here's why:
1) His perception regarding how we should play this game.
2) Thinking on it, and now knowing Epi only had one teammate, I doubt Epi's teammate would be the most obvious candidate (Trice). Instead, it's interesting to note how Epi distanced against Russ but never said whether he believed he was bad or not.

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