The Syndicate

Russtifinko wrote:

Long Con wrote:Cool game! We (the Police-baddies) knew my time was likely up when the PI (Llama) checked me and sent the cops a message that I was bad. I thought I could maybe take Llama down and at least kill the PI before everyone turned on me, but I pushed too hard and people got suspicious of me. Timmer, had you alignment-checked me?

Either way, at least my death got us the PI. As soon as we knew the PI knew my identity, we just watched for someone coming after me in the thread. Once we determined it was Llama (after a cross-reference with his eloquent and interesting PM communications to the police confirming it was him), we had to recruit or kill him. Luckily for him, he was recruitable.

For the record, from the awesome in-theme noir PMs we were getting, I was pretty sure llama was the PI. However, I wasn't confident enough to push to kill or recruit him because of it.

Yeah, I regret that they became less elaborate as I became more busy and the poll time changed to a less convenient one.Just before I was recruited I sent you a report on myself, hoping to throw you off the scent, but I had too successfully outed myself in going after Long Con for that to work
I wish I had thought about all the police being recruited before I alerted you to his traitorous ways, or I could have kept you in the dark longer, but I guess it worked out for me in the end.

Bullzeye wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I love getting a win without doing anything.

That's how I got my first win ever! Died night one, my team won anyway. Best sort.

Bullz and I actively worked against our team for the majority of the game, and still won!

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

timmer wrote:Sometimes, info roles have to push cases that are otherwise weak, and hope others glom on, and that's what happened to you. It sucks, but it beats the other option which would have been llama saying "wink wink guys, just trust me, LC is bad, I KNOW it, wink wink". imo, llama did it all correctly

Thank you, Timmer.This is why I generally dislike info roles. When you know someone is bad and have to kill them to win the game, it's really hard to discipline yourself not to just say so. I really tried to be as convincing as possible, but I still felt bad because I knew my case was weak and disingenuous.

llama, this is why i voted Kyle. We had you figured out as the PI, and voted with you on LC so even though there wasn't great evidence for Kyle I thought for sure you had checked him and he was bad. That was probably after you got recruited. After kyle didn't pan out I thought you maybe weren't the PI.

Yeah, I got recruited right after the Long Con kill, which was great for my credibility.

timmer wrote:Sometimes, info roles have to push cases that are otherwise weak, and hope others glom on, and that's what happened to you. It sucks, but it beats the other option which would have been llama saying "wink wink guys, just trust me, LC is bad, I KNOW it, wink wink". imo, llama did it all correctly

Thank you, Timmer.This is why I generally dislike info roles. When you know someone is bad and have to kill them to win the game, it's really hard to discipline yourself not to just say so. I really tried to be as convincing as possible, but I still felt bad because I knew my case was weak and disingenuous.

Who was the secret message decoder and did they ever succeed at spotting any hidden messages?

Oh, and I want to clarify. Near the end of the game when I was attacking Alex's hosting in thread, it was completely insincere and I was just trying to distract people. I secured his permission before saying anything, although it did not work as well as I had hoped.

Yay!
Yes, I was civvie almost all game, so it was amusing to watch you guys think I was bad, and then gratifying to finally become bad.

I was the Private Investigator.

juliets wrote:I'm at a loss at what we're supposed to talk about since we are voting for numbers today, and I guess the numbers could be any one of us. I guess I'll use the time to read over some players.

I don't think the numbers correspond to players, since there are more than ten of us. There have, however, been ten day periods so far.

Black Rock wrote:I picked four cause no one voted for it yet and I am doing whatever the cool kids are doing these days.

Am I one of the cool kids?

S~V~S wrote:There are more than 10 of us, MP did not say one per number.

But he didn't say more than one per number either. Maybe he will modkill anyone who puts a second vote on a number.

Anyway, I doubt more than ten people will vote, given the way things have been going.

I guess I'll take 7 since MR has 3.

You're right, MR, 3 is an awfully good number. There is a reason it's the Rule of Three and not the rule of some other number. Seven is also pretty good. I only wish there was a 73 on the poll.

Undoubtedly, MP has given the baddies info on the poll, since he so clearly wants them to win, while we are left to grope in the dark.

Pick a number from 1 to 10? So this has just become random guessing now.

okay, what's this now?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, it isn't like this is the first time MP has mass killed people. He killed like 9 in one day, I think, back at TP. You don't vote, you lose.

As the person who has made low posters his crusade, you more than anyone should get this. It isn't the hosts fault, it's the people who did not vote, etc.

The difference is that ordinarily the teams are assigned randomly, so modkilling low-posters is an equal opportunity punishment. In this case, it was heavily biased towards one team, which I don't think is fair. It's not just "if you don't vote you lose" it's "if you don;t vote, the host makes sure your entire team cannot win"

As an involved and participating player, is this your admission of guilt?

Alas no, because I would like to win.

unfurl wrote:I guess host mistake?

Shock.

S~V~S wrote:Um, it isn't like this is the first time MP has mass killed people. He killed like 9 in one day, I think, back at TP. You don't vote, you lose.

As the person who has made low posters his crusade, you more than anyone should get this. It isn't the hosts fault, it's the people who did not vote, etc.

The difference is that ordinarily the teams are assigned randomly, so modkilling low-posters is an equal opportunity punishment. In this case, it was heavily biased towards one team, which I don't think is fair. It's not just "if you don't vote you lose" it's "if you don;t vote, the host makes sure your entire team cannot win"

I'll vote for you if you want, MR.

I have to say, I am pretty disgruntled about how this game has gone. I really feel like all the modkills in a game when Tyler gets to choose his team have been horribly unfair. Of course the inactive players are going to be civvies, since Tyler would not choose to recruit them.

This means you have a host who has intentionally killed off more than a dozen civvies and, in my opinion, has handed the game to the baddies. I don't think we ever had a chance to begin with, and if you ask me, it's a BS way to host. Hosts should be impartial, and not make decisions that inherently favor one group over another.

I was really hoping for a win this game, too.

Llama no like. Bad medicine.

Kylemii wrote: both of those things are not even true. :0 i voted for long con, i didn't avoid voting for him at any point especially not in any way that could be described as studious.

I have no idea how I made that mistake. I even checked it twice and could not see your name there. I must be going blind. I'm legitimately sorry, Kyle, if I turn out to be wrong about you.

I'm back, and I have cheese.

Right, well, I have an urgent cheese-buying mission to go on, and knowing me that could take a while, so I am going to go ahead and vote.

I thought about it all night in my dreams, and I just can't shake my gut feeling that Kyle has been pulling one over on us this whole time, so my vote is going to him.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Interesting that he went back to cautiousness on Night 8:

Kylemii wrote:i have not fought yet, but i am apprehensive about doing so at this point in the game. i feel like I'd probably die.

so i'm going to vote for someone else, someone who hasn't won any fights

Did you catch this in your read, Llama?

No, I missed that one. Not quite sure what to make of it. I'll think a bit and vote in the morning.

MR, what do you think of my case against Kyle? Anything to it, or am I imagining things?

Canucklehead wrote: Crazy theory that I KNOW is going to get me lynched:
I think in order to kill Tyler, we need to lynch the narrator.

Okay, for the sake of argument: who is the narrator, then?

unfurl wrote: makes sense? it makes sense to me

It doesn't make sense to me, no. There are a number of recruits as well as Tyler. If you had said "it's likely that a baddie threw LC under the bus" then I would agree that is a possibility. I don't understand why you think Tyler specifically was the one to do that though.

Mister Rearranger wrote: Linki @Llama: I took the "No longer independent" as an end to the ambiguity of being possible recruits. That was my train of thought.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. It's certainly not an inference I drew from the post though.

@MR: that host post doesn't say recruiting stopped though.

Mister Rearranger wrote: -Recruiting stopped as soon as the threads merged, right?

Holy cow, I completely missed that. That is a really weird assumption to make, unless he knows more than he is telling. Good catch, S~V~S.

Llama, made cocky by his instincts on Long Con being so devastatingly correct, has returned to an earlier suspicion. I've been doing some reading, and one thing keeps sticking out to me. Here are all the posts of Kylemii talking about fighting.

Beginning in New Castle on Day 1

Kylemii wrote: i don't particularly want to fight anyone, i'd be okay with voting DH since he volunteered

Then, no mention of fighting until Wilmington on Day 4:

Kylemii wrote:everyone seems so down to fight. there must be something to it.

i'll fight anyone.

Quite a difference. Then we all came here, and Kyle appeared to become suddenly quite eager.

Kylemii wrote: I didn't fight either. i was worried about the risk until day 4 or so when i was just like "yeah whatever"

Kylemii wrote:holy shit :0

rest in peace everyone

i'd be okay with fighting

Kylemii wrote: i would be okay with fighting especially if it were against another fighting novice.

Kylemii wrote: I would still like to fight at some point in case fighting skill level ends up being important down the road but I'm not really in a hurry.

In each case, he tries to sound casual, but the number of posts seems to indicate almost a desperation for fighting. I asked him about this, and this was his response.

Kylemii wrote: i only wanna fight because i'm weak and i'm worried that fight skill may somehow end up being important in the endgame. i was worried about dying in a fight early on but now i've realized that the risk of dying early may be a fair trade-off for possibly not getting screwed in the endgame if i somehow end up living that long. Does that make sense?

Now, I may be wrong, but I smell a rat here. I think Kyle might be Tyler, who I suspect is quite powerful in fights. My theory is that he didn't want to fight early for fear of tipping his hand, but once he had a few recruits and the game was starting to go his way, he wanted to fight in order to accelerate his killing. The other possibility is that he knows something about the endgame that we don't, which would explain his last two posts on the subject.

It's also worth noting theat he studiously avoided voting for Long Con and he has been quite strong about pursuing Bullzeye, whom I trust more than just about anyone else.

unfurl wrote: I had been thinking tyler very likely threw LC under the bus to blend in, Im going to try to read back into how the votes came in

Why? What are you basing that on? Why specifically Tyler and not one of the other recruits?

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Thanks for the analysis Timmer. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, but it definitely is helpful. I want to think long and hard about this lynch, because I agree it is crucial.

On a side note, I tend to take people's RL excuses at face value, but the cynic in me finds it a bit weird that BWT, Bullz, and Hedge all posted in a row about not being able to be around much today. It almost seems like people are fleeing in order to avoid being discussed.

Au contraire mon frere, BWT and Bullz were stating why they wouldn't be here in the future. I was stating why I hadn't been here in the past. Sheesh.

That said, I am off to the store and will read Timmers stuff in more depth when I get back.

Your internet is all fixed now, then? That is good news.

Canucklehead wrote:

thellama73 wrote: On a side note, I tend to take people's RL excuses at face value, but the cynic in me finds it a bit weird that BWT, Bullz, and Hedge all posted in a row about not being able to be around much today. It almost seems like people are fleeing in order to avoid being discussed.

I think it almost seems like people are fleeing because it's a weekend, and people do things on weekends.

No they don't, they stay in and play mafia. At least, I do.

Thanks for the analysis Timmer. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, but it definitely is helpful. I want to think long and hard about this lynch, because I agree it is crucial.

On a side note, I tend to take people's RL excuses at face value, but the cynic in me finds it a bit weird that BWT, Bullz, and Hedge all posted in a row about not being able to be around much today. It almost seems like people are fleeing in order to avoid being discussed.

Is keterman supposed to be off the poll? I thought we could lynch him even when he was wounded. Not that I would, but still.

S~V~S wrote:But I said I do not want to

I said I will if I have no choice but I don't think its right to force me into it.

I don't think it's wise to nominate only the people who want to fight when the baddies are (presumably) so close to having a majority. Otherwise, they control the fights, which can only be to our detriment.

I'm voting for Timmer and SVS as well, because I trust timmer and that's what he wants. I see that Keterman voted. Isn't he not allowed to vote?

S~V~S wrote:Keterman lost the fight~ will he even be on the poll? MP said he had to sit out.

My understanding (I may be wrong) is that he can be voted for, but cannot vote.

But if either of the above scenarios is coorrect:
a) keterman is not Tyler's teammate.
b) Keterman is Tyler's teammate but is trying to draw attention away from Tyler.
Then I think that it would be better not to lynch Keterman this round and try to find Tyler himself.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:As to Timmer's ideas about Bullz and Keterman...

Not sure about Bullz honestly. I'll have to think on that one. I think your idea about Keterman throwing himself under the bus is a possibility. Either it's that or he is an unrecruited policeman who was unaware of LC being recruited. However, given what happened with INH, I think it's far more likely that any police that are still alive are recruits to Tyler's cause.

Of course, I also wonder if there's any way to look back via Keterman's posts and see if we can't ferret out who Tyler could possibly be.

I almost feel like Keterman's defense of LC was too over the top to have come from a teammate. Why would a teammate make such bold outrageous claims when it was already obvious thta LC would be lynched and flip baddie? What would he have to gaiin by doing that? If it is the throwing himself under the bus strategy to draw attention away from Tyler, that must mean we were already close on Tyler's heels, right? But I can't think of anyone we were close to catching before LC< since we were all casting about in the dark.

S~V~S wrote: And Llama, keep in mind that some civvies showed up to make their posting requirements too~ I totally understand Daisys reasons for being AWOL the three days she was gone. and I firmly believe rl trumps games. So I don;t think her showing up at the last minute, which would coincide with Alex being gone, says much about alignment. I skimmed her catch up posts, but did not read in depth. Beas weird vote makes me want to look for what she saw, as well. Bea has seemed pretty civ to me, but her unwillingness to vote for LC was odd for me.

Oh, I agree with most of that. I want to look at other people besides Daisy, and I understand how RL goes, but I think the fact that every person modkilled was a civilian speaks volumes about the kind of active, close-knit team the baddies have assembled.

Honestly, it feels a little unbalanced in favor of the baddies to slaughter all inactive players when Tyler gets to choose his entire team, since obviously he is not going to choose inactive players. But I understand the frustration of dealing with non-participants as a host too, so

Timmer's case against Bullz doesn't make sense to me. I think viewing Long Con as a frustrated civ is reasonable, even though it was wrong. Long Con certainly talked a good game.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

"Practically confirmed civ," huh Keterman?

True, but it tells me a heck of a lot about Keterman now.

Also, llama, do you feel any different about your theory now? Or are your thoughts still the same?

My thoughts are still the same, and I think the wave of civilian death confirms my views and the important distinction between "quiet players" and "people not attracting suspicion."

The recruits with BTSC made sure to show up and post. Spacedaisy is an obvious example. She had barely posted at all,her head was on the chopping block, but she made it in to meet the challenge just in time. Could she have been motivated by her BTSC partners telling her to post? I think so.

The only thing that weakens my theory is that we now know at least one of the police was recruited, which means that Tyler would be likely to get the rest as quickly as possible, regardless of their posting style.

"Practically confirmed civ," huh Keterman?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, wow. FINALLY have internet. I specifically called Time Warner and was under the impression that they would be servicing me on Monday, but then I never received an appointment time like they said I would, so I called again to find out they hadn't scheduled me after all like they said they would, so it would be Wednesday. Not only that, but the service window would be 8AM-11PM and that I needed to be here for the guy to stop by. What a window. Well, no one ever stopped by. I called them and the automated message receiver said they DID in fact stop by, so I spoke to a rep who then told me that because I'm going with a lower connection that someone did stop by but didn't need to do anything then 'flip a switch' outside of my vicinity and that I did not in fact need to be here for it. Wow. But it clearly still wasn't working. So I tried the modem I'm renting from them in multiple outlets. Still nothing. So I had to wait until the store opened this morning so the router could be exchanged, and NOW I have internet.

So, I need to go through all my PMs, catch up on the thread here and calculate who has completed (or not) the posting challenge, then compile my post and give it to you guys. Seems we will still be on a morning schedule, for now; just in the interest of getting the game moving again, I do not want to wait until evening or extend this night period. Post coming ASAP. Apologies again for the delay, clearly I did not anticipate that my 72 hour window would not be enough, but I overestimated Time Warner.

You're the greatest, Alex! Glad the worst of the move is over.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:He said he has no internet yet and has been waiting all day for the cable guy to show up. So hopefully at some point tonight, we'll get a lynch post.

Well, he logged onto the site early this afternoon, so that is a blatant lie.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Unfortunately, with all the moving-halfway-across-the-country craziness, I suspect the lynch post could take awhile for Alex to get up.

Don't make excuses for him. :P

I could text him that if you really want him to hurry up. :P

I would insist upon it, but I'm about to go bowling and I probably wouldn't see the post until later anyway.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Unfortunately, with all the moving-halfway-across-the-country craziness, I suspect the lynch post could take awhile for Alex to get up.

Don't make excuses for him. :P

76 hour days make me a sad llama.