The Syndicate

I wouldn't mind a "Save Mongoose!" campaign, to be honest. I (attempted to) posted last night after Hedge's post, but it ate it apparently. I will try to recreate that post-yoga.

Honestly, it was probably fairly recapitulatory of things I already done said though.

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Well potentially Mongoose and I can't remember the other I thought may have been atm (maybe Ketterman? idk). I replaced in so my notes are incomplete, which is why I already asked for help with this. Since no one responded it will have to wait until I am able to go through the thread again and compile this information. It won't be today (wed) that's for sure. I might have time tomorrow but idk yet

I will get back to you, and I do still want to discuss other people. I just have to get ready and set off to do stuff. Not sure how often I'll be able to get wifi today to check in

I remember what you're talking about with Keterman and he wasn't cursed. Looking back at his posts he denies it outright and says that for the two posts that looked like he'd been cursed, his keyboard was broken. He also made a bunch of non-cursed seeming posts on the same day. So no points there. Mongoose I don't remember seeming cursed at all but I'll go have a look at her now.

I don't think I've been cursed this game, btw.

I lost the threads of my thought train on this a bit, but from what I recall, I was suspecting that Canucklehead was being falsely set up. Y'all successfully Kangaroo courted Llama, so let's not do a back-to-back civ mislynch.

I may have wriggled out of some tight and thorny situations, but my survival isn't indicative of bad alignment. My only malfeasance is absenteeism.

However, I'd rather you vote me than an info-dump victim. Sometimes lines get blurred and we make poor judgments (so let's not crucify poor Boogs), but I don 't want to put my vote there, fake or not.

Cherries & Fairies,

Llama was good.

He thought I was good.

Therefore, I must be good.


There are literally no holes in that logic.

I like pigs and I like dogs. I also like mongoosedogs.

Long Con wrote:I will try again, Mongoose. Any particular starting point you can give me?

Can you clarify what you mean by starting point? Do you mean in RE: Canuck?

The stuff I've said makes sense to me in a microcosm way. Like if you have 10 mins to scroll through posts and do the best they can, they make sense. For you who have been around more and can think of the more recent posts in better context, they might not make as much sense.

I 100% stand by every comment I've made in this game though (at least at the time, obviously not if we've gotten new information). And yeah, I did feel like Canucklehead was being set up.

Things I Am Not

Firefighter
Mafia
Eater of Cinnamon Rolls
President of Argentina
Un-Civ

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Now Mongoose voted Canuck... Such weird!

Except the opposite because Canuck's not on the poll.

I haven't been getting the civviest feelings from Mongoose's posts, but my real problem is llama. I have been pretty sure he is civ, but reevaluating if I am super off. People said Mongooses defense of him was strange and possibly forced, but I haven't seen a forced defense before. I do remember in Supernatural being forced to do the opposite and make a case on Tranq. Juliets were you the trickster role in that game? Have others seen roles with forced defense before?

Maybe some people just know my play style better than others.

Ture, and you know I'm Mayor Civ, right? Let's all consider someone else today!

Blatant "Look Over There!" tactic is blatant.

Long Con wrote:I'm having trouble understanding still, are you saying she's a Civvie set up as a baddie?

I'm pretty sure that's where I was going with that, yeah.

Long Con wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

juliets wrote:As I pointed out earlier, bwt was talking about ninjajellobabies and Canuck right before he died. His suspicion of Canuck seemed stronger. I personally believe she is a civ. I do agree that everyone should read it for themselves.

Canuck has got to be a red herring.

In what way?

It just seems too obvious a set-up.

juliets wrote:As I pointed out earlier, bwt was talking about ninjajellobabies and Canuck right before he died. His suspicion of Canuck seemed stronger. I personally believe she is a civ. I do agree that everyone should read it for themselves.

Canuck has got to be a red herring.

Hells, bells Dennis.

BWT was one of the few people I felt good about. Well overwhelmingly good.

Glad you are back!

I'm going to read BWT and see if he was on any trails that might let us to something delicious. I encourage you all to do the same.

voting to protect my pet llama

LoRab wrote:Anyone else wondering if mongoose has been cursed to defend llama?

I literally did not even know that was a thing. I've not been cursed, and you can LD me on that if there is an LD in this game. I can read him pretty good (about as bad as he reads me and Hedge, to be honest).

Also, sorry to play the "Hosting Another Game" card, but wow, that sucks my time. I'd definitely not play a game and host another game concurrently ever again. Many apologies to the players who are used to my verbosity and super-acting posting style.

But hey, at least you are getting a tidbit of the weirdness.

Also, llama isn't bad, so don't vote for him or I think you will be very sad. He is one of our very best baddie hunters, and it would be a shuckin' shame to throw that out with yesterday's fish refuse.

In defense of thellama73, a hairy, hirsute beast.

By the cuddly creature Mongoose, a story in 2 chapters.

Chapter 1:

Llama has been extremely vocal. This is not rare for him (see: Bioshock, Homestar, Thomas the Tank, Super Mario etc.). When he is bad, he is much more clean in how he posts (see: Rolling Stones, American Gods, Harry Potter).

As a baddie, he will often vette what he says to other players before posting his comments

Does this currently sound like a player who is vetting his posts?

It in no way does. He's basically Mayor of Recklesstown, which draws enough attention to keep him from being NK'd, but hopefully (hopefully!) not be lynched.

No self-respecting baddie would pay this fast and loose.


Chapter 2:

Hunch-hunch-hunch-a-roo. If my feelings on this were a classic book, it would be The HUNCHback of Notre Dame.



Cherries & Fairies,

Mongoose
C.E.O., Animal Sanctuary Squad

I am getting uber-strong civvie vibes from Llama today, so I shan't be voting him now (and doubtless in the future).

thellama73 wrote:

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:The "llama suspects people for trivial reasons" thing is ridiculous. Where are the detailed, well thought out cases behind LoRab's votes? Or Ninjablooper's? Or Dana's? or Bea's? Or Boogs'? or Hedgeowl's? or Mongoose's?

I have explained all my votes, actually. I mean, maybe my posts weren't overly detailed (or long), but I've said why I'm suspicious of those I'm suspicious of.

To clarify, I wasn't trying to attack you specifically. I was just making the point that we all suspect people for small reasons. It's the nature of the game. The baddies are trying not to be found, so there are not going to be flashing neon signs directing us to them, so we use small things.

I annoys me that vocal people, like me, get singled out for having suspicions that are less than airtight, but less vocal, more "go with the flow types" seem immune from the same criticism, even though it is equally valid.

You are so vocal this game.

thellama73 wrote:I missed your thoughts on Canuck, Keterman. Now that I go back and look at them, they are astonishingly astute. I've been increasingly suspicious of Canuck this game as well. Her posting pattern alone indicates someone who spends most of their time in a chatzy and occasionally pops in to contribute when needed.

I feel like she has been very active (but that is probably because she keeps wanting to discuss me, haha).

My favorite color is green.

This game is breaking my brain. I coulda sworn we had mislynched Lancelot earlier in the game.

Linki Bea - Did you mean "A Person and Matt" or "A Person/Matt"?

juliets wrote:

juliets wrote: And Dana, hahahaha, I hope you go to a football school!

Dana wrote:I honestly have no idea. I biked around campus earlier and there were big groups of people in the fields but I wasn't interested enough to go and see what was up. Is it like championships or something today?

Dana i forgot you live in the northeast. Football really isn't as big a deal up there so I can understand how you've gone all this time not knowing really what football is. Never mind my comment, you'll find out soon enough if you go to one of the big northern football schools!Oh, and it's only the second game of the college season, first game weekend for the pro's. Championships will be in Jan. - Feb.

I live in Tallahassee, and yesterday was positively insane. Also, a bit awkward because I went to UF.

I'm going to stop being fickle and draw a line in the sand.

*Voting Made*

linki Ture

I am definitely in the camp of those speculating that there are two mafia teams.

I wanted to do a little watchful waiting after how the first attempt at a Made lynch went vote before last, but the MR mislynch didn't exactly inspire confidence. And as much as I hate to admit it, I think llama's searing indictment of Made is unsinkable.

Hedgeowl wrote:Since we now see that the Beast and the Rabbit were SKs who killed on even and odd nights, I think they balance each other out. There could still be just one mafia team, since the Rabbit killed odd nights and DF was killed NIght 1 and flipped bad. With 25 players and 2 as SKs, I assume a mafia team would have at least 3-4 members. If only 1 mafia, maybe even 5 people. So if we have two mafia teams of 4 players each that would leave 15 potential civ roles. Does that sound balanced enough for those who would know better than me?

That sounds good to me, yeah. I don't know better than you, though.

thellama73 wrote:What the heck? Why did you all bandwagon MR at the last second? Made is obviously, obviously, could not be more obviously bad and you let him steer you away to someone like MR? The baddies are running this show. It's a sorry bunch of civilians indeed.

Usually I'd be annoyed but I totally deserve that. Unmitigated disaster.

Well this is an unmitigated disaster.

(My apparent) Objective: To look as suspicious as possible at the end of the lynch vote.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Scotch time, kids.



linki Enrique 0- Oh I thought you meant my 2 min fake vote for BWT before switching back like a square dancer on blow.

Enrique wrote:Oh, bwt, changed your vote from MR, didn't notice that. Paving the way for the last second Made lynch, I see.

Nah, he was just a placeholder vote while I made my mind up. I put it right on back after I posted and pushed through linki hell.

Mm, that MR pile on is making me a bit leery. Nervous as a cat, to be honest. I mean, I thought that write-up was freakin compelling too, so it makes sense others agree. Arglebargle.

linki - Great job, Dana!

Okay, that's true, SVS. Dunno why I'm flaking. I need to not be so wishy washy this game.

Bullzeye wrote:

Mongoose wrote:What is this, M is for Mafia? Without a sole exception, all of the vote-recipients have M-names.

Dial M for Mafia? This takes me back to the B is for Baddie days.

Not voting Made (at least for today) after Day 2's lynch debacle. That's a whole plate of shark tail I just can't wifom into right now, y'all.

Scanning like a madwoman and then voting so I can leave work, ha.

Oh god I remember B is for Baddie. That was awful. Didn't realise SVS began with M though :P

Oops. Madame SVS? Man, this is why I don't do two games at once. I'm all over the place.

I thought Made's writeup on MR was nearly unlawfully thorough, so I tied it up. Now the onus will be on someone else to break the tie. Sorry, 'bout that chickpeas!

linki - M is an excellent genre-bending masterpiece from German cinema master Fritz Lang.

What is this, M is for Mafia? Without a sole exception, all of the vote-recipients have M-names.

Dial M for Mafia? This takes me back to the B is for Baddie days.

Not voting Made (at least for today) after Day 2's lynch debacle. That's a whole plate of shark tail I just can't wifom into right now, y'all.

Scanning like a madwoman and then voting so I can leave work, ha.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Hells bells, I sneak out to yoga and this thread explodes. I scanned for my name and didn't see it (other than being in some quote chains), so holler at your local friendly neighborhood mongoose if I missed anything, sweet peas.

You just planning on skating by without anything to offer if we don't mention your name?

Dude, I'm running my own game. And I've been commenting plenty, notwithstanding junky OT tomfoolery. I'm far from a Low Poster. Not wanting to respond to everything in a fast-moving stream of consciousness thread is hardly tantamount to hiding behind Roxy's apron strings.

Didn't mean to upset you Mongoose. You're clearly paying attention and helping, but had that comment come from someone less active player, I definitely would have been pinged.

No worries, it sounds more defensive probably on paper than it did in my head.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:See, now this is the part that bothers me. Do like 4 or 5 civvies have BTS? Becasue it feels like several people are trying, ACTIVELY trying to keep Made from being lynched.

I wondered about this too and had a few different thoughts.

I feel like no one has ever defended me like this, so it really got my attention.

1. People are leery of lynching someone who is new to the site because it might put a bad taste in his mouth and he might not want to come back.

2. Defending or indicting Made has been an easy and non-controversial way to put some input in on the game without drawing too much negative attention.

3. Salad days.

I defend you in, like, every game.

Um. I don't think this has ever happened. Do you agree with the stuff I posted ^

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Hells bells, I sneak out to yoga and this thread explodes. I scanned for my name and didn't see it (other than being in some quote chains), so holler at your local friendly neighborhood mongoose if I missed anything, sweet peas.

You just planning on skating by without anything to offer if we don't mention your name?

Dude, I'm running my own game. And I've been commenting plenty, notwithstanding junky OT tomfoolery. I'm far from a Low Poster. Not wanting to respond to everything in a fast-moving stream of consciousness thread is hardly tantamount to hiding behind Roxy's apron strings.

S~V~S wrote:See, now this is the part that bothers me. Do like 4 or 5 civvies have BTS? Becasue it feels like several people are trying, ACTIVELY trying to keep Made from being lynched.

I wondered about this too and had a few different thoughts.

I feel like no one has ever defended me like this, so it really got my attention.

1. People are leery of lynching someone who is new to the site because it might put a bad taste in his mouth and he might not want to come back.

2. Defending or indicting Made has been an easy and non-controversial way to put some input in on the game without drawing too much negative attention.

3. Salad days.

*TagTeamed*

*Jazz Hands*

thellama73 wrote:Supatown is a well known word that I've been using for years.

I feel like that is a lie since I have no recollection of you ever babbling that work before ever.

AND

Murder you in the face.

S~V~S wrote: Since the baddies would have to be on crack to kill Made

I laughed, I cried, I laughed some more.

Hells bells, I sneak out to yoga and this thread explodes. I scanned for my name and didn't see it (other than being in some quote chains), so holler at your local friendly neighborhood mongoose if I missed anything, sweet peas.

But I love off-topic nonsense :/

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:After over 62 000 guesses, we have a winner! Thank you all for participating.

What was the answer?

* Berkeley ugh typing

* I believe the word is stroller

Canucklehead wrote:

(I love the way the "omg" guys look like a Busby Berkeley routine when strung all together like that )

Love a Berkerly reference, I do. My fave is Gold Diggers of 1937. I will often sing the opening song to my friends' babies as I push them in their little cart things.

Canucklehead wrote:

Mongoose wrote:I see what you are getting at with the lynch switch; I wasn't getting baddie vibes from AP at all.

Nor was I? Which is what makes this theory possible, in my mind?

I'm unsure if you're thinking what I'm thinking....

I'm unsure if you're thinking what I'm thinking!

I see what you are getting at with the lynch switch; I wasn't getting baddie vibes from AP at all.

Canucklehead wrote:Also, I'm a little shocked that many players are refusing to see how the lynching of AP in Made's stead could actually be an indication of Made's civviness, not baddiness. I'm of the mind that it is pretty much a coin flip either way.

Take off the blinders, folks.

linki: Hooray for houseboats! So much superior to regular boats and regular houses! I look forward to your response, Mongoooose.

(I agree on the part about Made being possibly civ after that. I'll definitely be hesitant to vote him again due to that lynch save. I think I already said that yesterday, but I think it bears repeating).

It was very fun, but often involved me getting thrown into the river over and over again.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm going through Mongoose's posts and am finding her stance on Hedgie a little hard to understand. Early on, she's unsure:

Mongoose wrote:I've got nothing out of that, except maybe he was trying to gain civvie cred by throwing Hedgie under the bus? If she is even bad, which I'm not totally convinced of yet.

The rest is very generic, not a lot going on. Lots of "throat clearing" phrases.

Then just a little later, she is willing to speculate that Hedgie was probably on DF's team:

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:There are a lot of people here, not sure why they aren't talking

Epi~ you say something CAN be gleaned, but don't say what. Willing to share, or watching & waiting?

I read it way more as distancing than protecting.

Read what that way? One of Faradays posts? Which one?

Linki, ah thanks Made, I was confuzzled, long day at work

Yeah, sorry. The one where he abruptly mentioned Hedgie. It didn't seem weird at the time, because others were mentioning her too, but in hindsight, I wonder if someone told him to get in here and make a throwaway comment.

The next (RL) day, Hedgie is downright suspicious for Mongoose:

Mongoose wrote:

juliets wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, gotta run, so voting SVS for now in case I dont make it back i time.

My feelings currently are that either MP or SVS are possibly a baddie, but probably not both. SVS's super focus on Made earlier in the game, made me suspicious, but then he redirection to Metal I found equally interesting. I would think of her voting for her top suspect. That also might have been to redirect focus from the llama-Enri-Made arguments, but I still thought it was unlike her. It made me think she was reacting to the heat she was getting about her Made suspicions.

Votes SVS

I am trying to understand the suspicion on Hedgie. I went back through her posts and all I saw was objection to her using the word "probably" in the above quote, the feeling being that she was trying to hedge her bets. Is this all that is out there or did I miss a big suspicion on her about something else?

Personally, I found her seemingly abrupt suspicion of SVS suspicious in of itself.

Note the repetition of the word "abrupt", which she previously used to characterize DF's "distancing" suspicions of Hedgie. This to me very much sounds like rehearsed or overly careful language....especially since just a few hours ago she wasn't sure why she had used that word:

Mongoose wrote:In the intervening days, I've gone off you as a suspect anyway. I'm not sure what I meant by "abrupt" to be honest.

Backpedalling b/c the Hedgie suspicion wasn't catching on in the thread?? (Perhaps because it was too associated with DF?)

And then these two posts, which are very, very hand-wavey/"Move along! Nothing to see here!":

Mongoose wrote:I think we were just jumpy and looking for any little tidbit to go on so early in the game.

But since you've been gone (I hope you had fun with A&E&E&C, by the way!), we've got some stronger suspecs now, as you can see.

Mongoose wrote:I think we were just overly jumpy in trying to find the smallest little thing that could be suspicious early on. I don't see what the big deal is now either. I think I just needed a bit of distance from the game(which setting my own game allowed me) to see that.

Again, note the very similar language between these two posts.


I honestly don't know what to make of this. Do Mongoose's posts always sound this scripted/overly careful? That's the impression I'm getting from them which, coupled with Epi's interesting observation about the possible disingenuous nature of her interactions with DF, is kinda making me think that Mongoose was a DF teamie, and that her strange backing off of the Hedgie thing is maybe a belated effort to do some distancing of her own after a failed attempt to tie DF and Hedgie together.
I dunno. I fully recognize that this is a very conjectural and not great case.....but I do find the Mongoose/DF connection interesting, and I think I'm going to vote there today. I don't expect anyone to follow me, but I do encourage you to take a close look at Mongoose's posts, which just read a litte goofy in tone to me...

I can be a fast and loose player and get myself into hot water for nonsense things that aren't of any substance at all, so history dictates that I will often go overboard in trying to sound clean and sterile. So there's no possible way someone will misinterpret what I've said. I mean, I've been an ultimate gaffe machine on here, and I'm lucky I didn't earn some sort of Bidenesque moniker.

All in all, what I said about my flipflop on Hedgie was sincere. I won't even try to deny it was a flipflop. With a little time and space, I realized I was being jumpy about her. I'm loathe to easily suspect her, but then when other people articulated some inconsistencies or alarms, I started thinking "Hmm, maybe there is something to it!" I think I did need a bit of a break from this game, and I was very fortunately able to come back into it with fresh eyes, so I immediately recanted my suspicion of her.

I think I was leery of her because she pegged SVS, and that's a swordfish I wouldn't tangle with lightly (I hope you take this in complimentary air in which it was floated!), so I was very confused that she came out with, in my opinion, a reckless (I don't mean that to sound nearly as harsh as it sounds, Hedgie) suspicion. That led me personally to believe that it was a fake, trumped up charge. In the end though, that very line of thinking was what made me think she wouldn't go after her unless she had an honest suspicion of her. So it was similar lines of thinking that I modified to get to a completely different result.

The abrupt thing was just due to my sloppy playing -- I was often unpacking boxes and boxes of junk and vittles and various sundries this weekend, so I actually missed her first post signaling her intention (until she brought it up). I think of myself as a reasonable person, and if I get "new" evidence, I have no qualms with reversing a stance (or modifying it).

I have no idea where I was going with the DF thing, so I'll have to find those post(s).

I'm super open to further questions, so if you have any followup questions or want clarification, just let me know.

Canucklehead wrote:Mongoose:
What say you to my campaign of defamation against your character? Or are you a "don't address shit in the night" kind of gal? Seems odd that before you left you specifically said you'd be watching out for your name to come up, then you completely ignore my novella about your potential baddiness...

Ahh yes, I did miss that but saw I got some vote(s).

I was on a houseboat for the holiday yesterday. Plus keep getting tied up in the game 'm hosting. Will read now.

Cherries are my second favorite flavor (after lemon), so I placed my vote there.

Dana wrote:Bea if you drank all that I am like 90% sure you'd be very very dead.

Haha, ture. If I drank 1/20 of that, I'd have to have my stomach pumped. But would sing "We Didn't Start the Fire" first.