The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:59 pm I should make an Electoral College Mafia game where I ask players living in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania who should be lynched every day and ignore the actual vote count.

We do have a few members in each of those states lol.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm Hyena, the more I think about it the more I can see potential agenda in your play. You were one of the hardest pushers of vanity, and yet you took a brief detour on d4 onto me, criticizing my multiple flip-flops on vanity. It's not too hard to see a scum motive for you trying to see if a push on me would take off to stretch us out to yet another mislynch while keeping vanity on the table. I am actively forcing myself to no longer assume you are town, so if you are, make sure it keeps shining through or my tinfoil will gain ground.
Understood.

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Also, it feels like everybody is treating Nutella's involvement with Vanity's lynch equally with mine and Elephant's. I kinda strong-armed her into voting Vanity on D4. Does that change anyone's perspective?
Isn't Day 4 the day nutwlla stormed into the thread with an instant vote on vanity, because the Ty4on lynch went badly?

Yes. And I still backed off and townread vanity for part of D4. And then went back to it. But yeah Hyena didn't strongarm me lol.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 pm I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.

I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.
I agree with these thoughts.

What do we know about the F3? What happened down there? What did the host say? Was that Limbo? Epi is confident that the lynches weren't lynches, is that a legit idea? If they weren't lynches, what were they?

I know that went beyond a response to your post.

The lynches in other levels have been "kicks" up to higher levels. If the F3/"Limbo" was the catalyst for everyone coming back together here, perhaps that didn't happen the same way, but I think the popular speculation is that it still mattered whether town or scum was lynched. Either for some kind of "advantage" or something relating to the layers reuniting. Idk.

[mention]Evenstar[/mention] [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] was there some kind of special wording in the host post at the beginning of the F3 phase? Or was it just a standard "players currently in this location are:" announcement?

[mention]Evenstar[/mention], walk me through why your vote didn't end up on Dragomir after you had a "double-barreled FoS" on him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:39 pm Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?
Was this ever straightened out? I don't remember that happening, but it could have been a dream.

It's been discussed a fair amount. My personal theory is that Texas was the mason partner, and the mafia learned that from the janitored kill and used it to their advantage. Epi thinks that's far-fetched.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:26 pm Meanwhile [VOTE: nutella] aubergine
drake dot jay peg

Why do people keep voting Nutella?
Why do you keep buddying me?
You asked for more memes.

I’m not gonna fight you. You’re easy af to read.
Why does anyone Civ-read you?
Doesn’t matter. I’m unlynchable.

I'm getting major death eater vibes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:26 pm Meanwhile [VOTE: nutella] aubergine
drake dot jay peg

Why do people keep voting Nutella?
Why do you keep buddying me?
You asked for more memes.

I’m not gonna fight you. You’re easy af to read.
Which brings me back to “Why do people keep voting Nutella?”

Because they don't read me as easily as you.

(I actually have no idea why Epi is voting for me though, he said he was townreading me)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 pm Lol I just realized Creature was nightkilled.

why say this

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:06 pm Nobody on the final three got lynched. There was no lynch. Nobody died. Nothing game-related happened. It was inconsequential. Why are people acting like there has to be a mafia member among those three? What logical reason (not "It had to be this way or it sucked") do you have to think it was important and that mafia was represented there?
People kept saying that the mafia could gain some advantage by "lynching" a townie there. I'm sure it had some bearing on the game that relied on one of the three being mafia. Wouldn't make sense for it to have happened at all if not. Except just to fuck with our heads.
Is there any evidence behind this besides "people kept saying?"

Again- let me stress this point- nobody got lynched down there. Nobody. So even if what people kept saying is true, nobody got an advantage.

Or- alternatively if you want to assume a civilian who got the most votes gave the mafia an advantage for the sake of argument- three civilians made it down there, which means the mafia had zero chance at getting the advantage.

Can't we just do this shit the old fashioned way?

Who is Dragomir's teammate and why?

I'm pretty tired of your pedantry regarding the use of terms like "lynch" here. You know full well how people are using that term in the context of this game and the layers. I genuinely don't understand why you would assume all three of them were civilians. If you want to invoke Occam's razor again, one of the three is scum. Please explain why you think the "F3" scenario would have happened and what would have been at stake if all three of them were town.

Do you think it was just randomized from who was left in the previous level, and that it only occurred in order to bring everyone back here the next round? Do you think that if it had gone differently we would still be split up? I honestly have no idea and confuse myself more the longer I think about this. Help me out here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:26 pm Meanwhile [VOTE: nutella] aubergine
drake dot jay peg

Why do people keep voting Nutella?

Why do you keep buddying me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:26 pm Meanwhile [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Hmm?

juliets
Michelle
Epignosis
Dom
Master Radishes
Hyena
iaafr (where tf is he???)
Lady LambdaDelta
Pawn Lelouch
112
MacDougall
ColinIsCool
Quin
Long Con
sprityo
Trustworthy Liberal
Elephant
Jackofhearts2005
Evenstar

.....Something like that

I feel like I've asked multiple people to talk to me about Elephant and I've been roundly ignored. Someone on this godforsaken dreamplane talk to me about the betrunked pachyderm.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:51 pm @Long Con
@Quin

Did ya’ll miss me? I haven’t seen you since I got back. Gimmie some #content.
Soonish. I'll give you my catchup hot takes, still reading up. Epignosis - Evenstar took a turn when Epi decided she's not scum but is actually town, for the Four Reasons. I was seeing Ep as the Civ side of things there, but this turnaround could be a calculated pocketing ploy. LLD and Eva voting nutella is not that cool, nutella has looked very town over the days, and the timing of Eva's vote wasn't the best. 112 maybe sketchy. Michelle maybe sketchy.
This is a very reserved style of writing and the post seems to follow a checklist.

I certainly don't like the last two sentences. I want him to elaborate on those. I think the rest of it is fine and consistent with how I think LC thinks, though the epi theory is a bit out there.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:05 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:00 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm

Will point out that I was blatantly full in on TRing Eva and iaafr, never rescind and all that. She never had to kill me, she had to have known how I'd go in any f3, and the idea that it wouldn't end in the f3 is odd due to how long this game already was by then. So the kill on me doesn't make sense from her perspective.
You’re talking about when you and Colin died? Were you told if you were nked or lynched?

Some of us don’t ever get lynched or nightkilled so we don’t know about these things.
Wasn't explicitly told, no. Fairly certain on it? Yeah, I am.
Why?
In what world is Colin NK'd over literally anyone else? When no one had real reasons to TR him and he was a blank slate slot?
In what world are you?

I kinda assumed that was the point of shooting whoever turned out to be second most suspicious, not telling us who was lynched for realzies.
The world where they need to reduce the odds of 2 of iaafr/myself/Eva making it to f3 since we were pretty much guaranteed to vote whoever the 3rd in that scenario is.

intriguing but remind me why you're assuming scum knew the f3 thing was going to happen the next phase? I'm a little lost

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:06 pm Nobody on the final three got lynched. There was no lynch. Nobody died. Nothing game-related happened. It was inconsequential. Why are people acting like there has to be a mafia member among those three? What logical reason (not "It had to be this way or it sucked") do you have to think it was important and that mafia was represented there?

People kept saying that the mafia could gain some advantage by "lynching" a townie there. I'm sure it had some bearing on the game that relied on one of the three being mafia. Wouldn't make sense for it to have happened at all if not. Except just to fuck with our heads.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:05 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:00 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm

I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.
Will point out that I was blatantly full in on TRing Eva and iaafr, never rescind and all that. She never had to kill me, she had to have known how I'd go in any f3, and the idea that it wouldn't end in the f3 is odd due to how long this game already was by then. So the kill on me doesn't make sense from her perspective.
You’re talking about when you and Colin died? Were you told if you were nked or lynched?

Some of us don’t ever get lynched or nightkilled so we don’t know about these things.
Wasn't explicitly told, no. Fairly certain on it? Yeah, I am.
Why?
In what world is Colin NK'd over literally anyone else? When no one had real reasons to TR him and he was a blank slate slot?
In what world are you?

I kinda assumed that was the point of shooting whoever turned out to be second most suspicious, not telling us who was lynched for realzies.

That makes sense from a scum point of view I guess... So you're admitting to having NKed Colin?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.
I think that's a terrible mistake.

Don't do that.

Good thing it's among the weakest of my reasons.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:43 pm I wanna thank Nutella and Mac for being so damn easy to read that I can sheep your reads on the players I haven’t thought about since we got put into different dreams.
Juliets and Michelle should thank them to.

This is now the towncore.

lmao

I don't know that I'd agree with that, I like to think I made the decision myself

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:40 pm Idk why I thought the day ended today. See ya.

Come back and play dude. Did you ever explain your Eva vote?

I expect a lot more from you as town. Even if it's just more memes and gifs; you tend to be much looser in the thread as town. You seem very restricted and reserved this game. Where's your big mouth at?

I think you are scum. Prove me wrong.

I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.

I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?

I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.

[mention]Hyena[/mention], the more I think about it the more I can see potential agenda in your play. You were one of the hardest pushers of vanity, and yet you took a brief detour on d4 onto me, criticizing my multiple flip-flops on vanity. It's not too hard to see a scum motive for you trying to see if a push on me would take off to stretch us out to yet another mislynch while keeping vanity on the table. I am actively forcing myself to no longer assume you are town, so if you are, make sure it keeps shining through or my tinfoil will gain ground.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

I apologize for my contributions to the more toxic/hostile bits. I think everyone here is a wonderful person and I don't want anyone to feel like their contributions are not wanted or valuable. I want all the new members to feel welcome and to play more games on this site with us <3
Fuck you!

Thanks for saying you were excited to play with me again though

It's good to see you around.

[mention]Elephant[/mention] I don't think you're here right now but when you see this, tell me why I shouldn't just lynch you now that juliets is not stopping me.

I am waffling on Eva again.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

I apologize for my contributions to the more toxic/hostile bits. I think everyone here is a wonderful person and I don't want anyone to feel like their contributions are not wanted or valuable. I want all the new members to feel welcome and to play more games on this site with us <3

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm I mean I for one am really enjoying it and think the hosts have done a great job.

I agree.

Everyone loving the false dichotomies this game lol

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:30 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:27 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 pm ....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?
... the fact that she has verifiably lynched town?
And what of the other voters on those trains?

Are they just as bad yet they did not vote for Dragomir?
Nutella and Hyena are the only two players to participate in both town MLs. I don't think it's Hyena.

There's no reason hyena and I can't both be town.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:30 pm And now for something completely different.

@nutella @Long Con @Trustworthy Liberal @Elephant @juliets @Hyena

Am I right in characterising things this way: Elephant started the vanity wagon and together with mainly T Lib and Hyena powered it through each round?

I admit to at times glazing over and skimming, so I want to know how you guys feel it evolved.

Based on estimated numbers, there are clearly at least two scum amongst you, quite likely more considering you started with 11 in your level. You guys form a grouping that needs solving too.

I wouldn't say TL did much. Hyena sure, but in a way that felt genuine to me.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:17 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:01 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:59 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Evenstar

why do you suspect nutella?
Bad vote history, she's still alive, LLD suspects her. I see you've already noticed that her responses to pressure are also quite poor.
I think she overreacted to that yes.
Why is her vote record poor, and why does that make her bad?
She's participated in the mislynch of two obvious townies and is still defending her decisions rather than re-evaluating her reads or apologizing for her mistakes.

I maintain that they were not "obvious townies" from where I stood. I even thought vanity was town longer than the rest of our group did but was still convinced to lynch him eventually because he looked so scummy at times. I have expressed regret in how those days ended up. I have been trying to reevaluate other reads.

How do you, Eva, currently feel about elephant?

Objectively, my vote record is better than yours.

If I was scum I'd probably have a better vote record.

But also like. I voted for the one dead wolf. Idk what you want.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:19 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:17 pm MR: Eva not wanting to lynch me but wanting me dead is anti-town

LLD: no it's not, she knows you'll just make the same points over and over again blah blah blah blah it's perfectly townie

*LLD makes the same points over and over again about nutella*
It's not the same.

She thinks you are scum and that's consistent. Her method of seeing you DEAD changes.

Nutella has called me TOWN and SCUM multiple times in the past few pages.

Do you see the fucking difference or are you just here to troll me and be an asshole

This isn't even true. I have called you town. I said I might see you as scum if you never do anything else. You're still town afaict.

And of I do flip flop on you it's not scum indicative. I flip flop on people ALL the time based on new evidence and the fickle whims of my gut.

I'm really done now. Bye.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:00 pm Love when townies deliberately play anti-town.
Alright fuck you.

This is now out of game personal shit.

Just because people don't play how you fucking think they should

does not make them anti-town

maybe your stale ass meta is fucking garbage

and there are better players than you

consider this before you take the arrogant stance that my playstyle is anti-town

because I promise you I win a whole lot more than I lose playing just like this

Maybe not the lurking on the middle days. I don't tend to like lurking

but this game was bullshit and hard and my life was busy

so stop with your elitism nonsense you are not better than me your style is not better than mine and I am not playing anti-town

I'm not trying to be elitist at all. You're just wrong.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:00 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.
LMFAO

If you flip town I will offer myself to to town to be lynched, probably. Which is fine, I accept that consequence because you're not town.
That's not a good answer but ok. Enjoy chaining mislynches.
Two things

One, that's not what this term means. YOU are possibly chaining mislynches when you say Eva and I aren't scum together and want to lynch us both. I am risking my life for yours.

Two, OH HEY AM I TOWN AGAIN? I THOUGHT I WAS SCUM IF I DIDN"T FIND YOU TOWN

HAVE I BECOME TOWN AGAIN CAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK YOUR WAY FROM IT?

GONNANIGHT KILL ME TONIGHT?

COME ON

DO IT

Okay, I'm done. I'm not going to respond to this stuff anymore. It's counterproductive. Find scum.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:57 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm

If you're so fucking town, and you think I'm town and wrong... go find scum and convince others (and maybe me) they're scum. Ignore me if I'm town.

Boy, that's rich.
Just because I don't post walls of empty points and shit that mean literally nothing doesn't mean I'm not convincing people or hunting scum.

You think I got 4th in the MU champs because what I'm pretty?

I'm not fucking stupid, stop pretending you're better than me and consider the intention behind Nutella's actions.

Or don't and continue to be superior jackoffs like everyone who apparently knows each other on this site.

Why even invite people for an invitational game if your goal is to disparage other playstyles again?

Fucking jerks

I don't mean to insult you personally or disparage your playstyle. I respect players who make strong gut reads like that. But I respect them more when they are willing to reconsider in the face of more evidence. In this case you are wrong about me. There is no scum intention behind my "actions" (whatever you're even referring to there). I want to play with people who have different play styles. You just happen to be incorrect, and it would be nice if you could admit that posssibility.

Love when townies deliberately play anti-town.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.
LMFAO

If you flip town I will offer myself to to town to be lynched, probably. Which is fine, I accept that consequence because you're not town.

That's not a good answer but ok. Enjoy chaining mislynches.

This is like talking to a brick wall. I've talked about my suspects extensively. Nothing I can say would convince you to look past me at anyone else. Prove me wrong.

[mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention]

What are your thoughts on Elephant? What are your thoughts on Jack?

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:49 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:44 pm I actually think you are town because you seem so confident in actually believing what you're saying. But it's wrong and I implore you to do something useful.
More deflecting.
Deflecting from what? Give me something to answer.
She won't. Why are you still engaging her case if you feel it has no backing behind it?
I just want to get her to see some modicum of reason and/or get her to do something productive for the game. If she continues to refuse, she's probably scum. I had reason to think you two weren't actually scum together though.
I want everyone to see this so I'll tag everyone.

Mere posts after calling me town, now it's conditional on me finding them town. If I dont find them town, theyll think I'm scum.

Hilarious backtrack from a position they accidentally put themselves in and can't find their way out of.

Further, they disconnnected Eva and I. Wanna know why? If Eva flips town and is lynched today, Nutella plans to try and lynch me tomorrow because "one of us is scum but not both guess I got the wrong one whoops"

classic scum chaining lynches.

This is the nail in the coffin. Everyone needs to see this backpedal into flail.

@112
@ColinIsCool
@Dom
@Elephant
@Epignosis
@Evenstar
@Hyena
@iaafr
@Jackofhearts2005
@juliets
@Lady LambdaDelta
@Long Con
@MacDougall
@Master Radishes
@Michelle
@nutella
@Pawn Lelouch
@Quin
@sprityo
@Trustworthy Liberal

I am not chaining lynches. If eva flips town I will probably go for jack or elephant next, who I think are bad regardless of eva's flip.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:39 am I remembered to look through Spiny Creature's posts to see what I can glean.

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:54 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:55 am
Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P
Yeah, you should be nervous. You're probably reading "not stressed out by champs" as "town" here: as Pawn would tell you, I'm never certain anything D1.

Keep watching me; generally I slip somewhere in my tapdancing by D3/4 if I'm scum. (Like in WC1 with my hotdogs thing.)
thanks for reply.

@PawnLelouch (hopefully that has no spaces, if it does i give up on tagging) not to repeat d1 of finals, but what's your read on Eva rn? I see that you are in more heat than she is but I am far from caught up and left before you showed up at all.
This exchange indicates that Spinyboo and Evenstar were not civilian partners, as once assumed after Day 2.
....I have had a thought. Janitors get the flips of their kills right? What if Texas was spinyboo's mason??

Lynch evenstar yall.
Let's pursue this then, since there is confirmation regarding the janitor.

The proposal is that TexasCloverleaf (???) had BTSC with Spinyboo.

Unfortunately, Spinyboo made no mention of TexasCloverleaf that I can see. The latter likewise never said anything about Spinyboo. Zero interaction from the thread.

On the other hand, Spiny's seventh post was this one:

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P
That playful tone at the end doesn't seem to appear anywhere else in Spiny's posts. boo didn't mention Evenstar at all (and why would he?).

So for nutella's theory to hold water, these things have to have transpired:

1. Spiny uses her 7th post to call Evenstar (not Texas) her "easiest" civilian despite having BTSC with TexasCloverleaf.
2. Evenstar calls Dragomir (her godfather) bad.
3. TexasCloverleaf (Spiny's real partner) votes Evenstar (the person Spiny just said was her best friend).
4. Without the help of the role cop, the mafia just so happen to kill to kill the BTSC partner of the one who just called Evenstar best friend.
5. boo gets lynched Day 2 ( ) and is shown to have BTSC with one other person.
6. JJJ screws up the role reveal, and must post it for everyone.
7. Evenstar is free to act like Spinyboo's partner.

Do I have that right?

I'm going to go with

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nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:27 am That makes no sense lmao. Read what I've said, it's occam's razor.

Maybe you have a point here. But I don't see it as that far-fetched. My experience with Eva tells me that Occam's razor is generally less likely to apply in her presense.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:47 pm Look, I really don't understand why you suspect me. I don't want to just use ad hominem attacks but I have nothing else to work with here. What do you WANT from me.
See now, the bolded is the first TRUTHFUL thing you've said to me.

I believe you don't understand why I suspect you. I believe you don't wanna use ad hominem and I believe you have nothing else to work with

I also believe that that position and those reactions are only perspective from the scum team.

I think town you has more to work with here, and has the ultimate option that you seem to keep ignoring.

The one option you've had the whole time while I've been doing this.

If you're so fucking town, and you think I'm town and wrong... go find scum and convince others (and maybe me) they're scum. Ignore me if I'm town.

But you won't Because your own life is more important than finding scum to you.

Because you're scum.

I have been doing that all damn day. I have been casing Eva. At least read my posts before making this stuff up.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:47 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:41 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:34 pm

As if I need to do this to catch you.

As if the mountain of words you have posted means more than the intent behind the actions you take.

As if I give a fuck what scum thinks and wants me to do. I'm sure you'd love me to give you something to sink your teeth into so you can reduce this read to some kind of argument people will skim over.

Nah, I'd rather not give you that opportunity. Your reactions to my pressure and votes are damning enough themselves. I need nothing else.
Is town not allowed to be outraged over being voted for literally no reason?

You don't even know my play style. You are just making shit up on the spot and acting confident in it. It's not remotely helpful to solving the game. Take a step back. I'm town.
Your playstyle doesn''t matter in this case.

Your outrage is specifically scummy and reads of being again caught for the wrong reasons.

your indignation is not town indignation. There is a difference.

And you're not town.

I don't need to argue with you, but the more you circle on this point and then only NOW that it appears I'm not going anywhere beg me to try and see you town?

The more others will come to see exactly what you are, which is scum.

Deflecting with notions of your "playstyle and meta"

Accusing others of having no brain and thus being incapable of forming reasonable suspicions on you.

This is scum play, you will hang for it.
Nope. You are wrong. My indignation is town. I am not "caught." I am bewildered.
Why is your indignation town?
Uh, because I'm town?
That was exactly the wrong answer.

You keep saying you want to engage in the realm of facts and reasons, but you don't have an actual argument as to why you are town other than "because I am."

That is not good enough at this point.

You asked why my indignation was town, and the answer is because I'm town. You didn't ask why I am town.

Lexi, the only thing you've done this game is insist I'm scum. When I flip town what will you do? I'm legitimately concerned for what it will do to your mental and emotional health.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:44 pm I actually think you are town because you seem so confident in actually believing what you're saying. But it's wrong and I implore you to do something useful.
More deflecting.
Deflecting from what? Give me something to answer.
She won't. Why are you still engaging her case if you feel it has no backing behind it?

I just want to get her to see some modicum of reason and/or get her to do something productive for the game. If she continues to refuse, she's probably scum. I had reason to think you two weren't actually scum together though.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:42 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:38 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:34 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

LLD does not know shit. I'm town. I don't understand why you're sheepng her when she clearly hasn't even read most of the thread content.
She always latches on to LLD at some point. It's a tactic I guess, but I don't know what it's meant to achieve.
This "tactic" is called "listening to people I respect."
I recommend listening to people who have the slightest idea of what is going on in this game.
You see folks

anyone who thinks this person is town

this is a reminder that when not given the precious data bytes they desire to reduce this case into a squalor of murk and uncertainty.

The best defense this supposed townie can muster

is to constantly discredit my ability to think, and question whether I have any intelligence at all.

This, for the record, is the real ad hominem argument that people so love to quote. This is actually attacking the player's credibiliy as opposed to their read.

Who thinks this is town again? I wanna laugh later.
Why do you think I'm scum? Because I question votes that have no reasoning behind them? Great.

Solve the goddamn game like the rest of us.
"like the rest of us".

This is a call, an appeal to majority and an appeal to the status quo.

The people who want to keep the Status Quo are the ones who are winning and who have momentum.

Who is winning this game and who has momentum?

Scum.

Therefor, this appeal to that mindset and opposing a mindset that is attempting to change the landscape of this game

is SCUM.

This is a pretty far-fetched interpretation lol. By "the rest of us" I mean the people who are engaging with thread content and attempting to figure out who is scum based on interactions and what has occurred in the game. You are just throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks. If you're town it's counterproductive and I suggest you look elsewhere.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:45 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:41 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:27 pm

LLD knows what she's doing, and if Texas was the other Mason I'll do FTF's nesquik ramen thing.
LLD does not know shit. I'm town. I don't understand why you're sheepng her when she clearly hasn't even read most of the thread content.
As if I need to do this to catch you.

As if the mountain of words you have posted means more than the intent behind the actions you take.

As if I give a fuck what scum thinks and wants me to do. I'm sure you'd love me to give you something to sink your teeth into so you can reduce this read to some kind of argument people will skim over.

Nah, I'd rather not give you that opportunity. Your reactions to my pressure and votes are damning enough themselves. I need nothing else.
Is town not allowed to be outraged over being voted for literally no reason?

You don't even know my play style. You are just making shit up on the spot and acting confident in it. It's not remotely helpful to solving the game. Take a step back. I'm town.
Your playstyle doesn''t matter in this case.

Your outrage is specifically scummy and reads of being again caught for the wrong reasons.

your indignation is not town indignation. There is a difference.

And you're not town.

I don't need to argue with you, but the more you circle on this point and then only NOW that it appears I'm not going anywhere beg me to try and see you town?

The more others will come to see exactly what you are, which is scum.

Deflecting with notions of your "playstyle and meta"

Accusing others of having no brain and thus being incapable of forming reasonable suspicions on you.

This is scum play, you will hang for it.
Nope. You are wrong. My indignation is town. I am not "caught." I am bewildered.
Why is your indignation town?

Uh, because I'm town?

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