The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:24 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:40 pm Glorfindel
nutella
speedchuck
DharmaHelper
Golden
Epignosis
juliets
DFaraday
Turnip Head
Enrique
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy

Fixed.
These are literally my reads.
You know INH was one of the few who didn't vote for you right?
yeah inh is enri's teammate confirmed

but prob the only one who didn't vote for him (except maybe df but he wasn't here at eod)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:24 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:40 pm Glorfindel
nutella
speedchuck
DharmaHelper
Golden
Epignosis
juliets
DFaraday
Turnip Head
Enrique
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy

Fixed.
These are literally my reads.
You know INH was one of the few who didn't vote for you right?

yeah inh is enri's teammate confirmed

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:24 pm Ask me ANY yes/no answer and I'll answer you honestly.

is golden bad

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:21 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:20 pm That gum you like is going to come back in style.
You're actually going to flip Mafia aren't you

Tbh he's probably 3p lmao or maybe the twin peaks reference just gave me flashbacks

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:15 pm I tried to get a GTH going with ages out in the hopes of finding a common ground candidate and it was like herding cats. We need civvie teammwork and coordination not CFD after CFD after CFD.

I would have answered the gth earlier had i seen it but I was like a page behind and responding to posts when I saw them

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:11 pm Honestly? Glorfindel is my teammate.

lol

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:10 pm Like, seriously. If you're town I'm gonna break some benches

Have fun with that. I look like shit when I'm town, surprised it took this long in this game but it's fate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:10 pm Or, y'know, DDL I guess, but I still tonetownread hgim

linki everything you've said today is bullshit, nutella

That may be. I was phone posting at work trying to say what was on my mind without looking like i was spending too much time on my phone so my words weren't the most elegant, and a lot of it looked like shit.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:06 pm If Enrique is good can we please get TH tomorrow. If Enrique is bad then I think I’m wrong about TH.

nope this is bullshit, if enrique is good we're lynching you tomorrow. if enrique is bad we're lynching you tomorrow.

[VOTE: Enrique ] aubergine for TH's sake. Sorry Enri love you hope you're bad.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:51 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:45 pm This is what happened last time I nearly had TH!

Why don’t people want to lynch TH?

What is it that has you thinking he’s town? I don’t understand.
Ok dude.

I literally forgot what your case was.

Tell me why I should lynch TH in 1 post, 5 minutes. Or link me to something short. Go.
He hard defended nova from the second I started suspecting nova and linking him to TH.

He spent the first three days making fun of me whenever I raised a suspicion of him (or anything else). He didn’t bother with substantive responses, only as hominem.

When finally he started casing me, it was only by incorrect analogy to Courage. He’s said nothing about why he thinks I’m bad other than this - to me that’s not independent scum hunting but a deliberate attempt to appeal to people’s emotional memory of me fooling them.

Besides that if you look at his iso you see a significant amount of fluffposting with no content, and suspicious stuff like (which I already quoted) a 180 on DDL that provided nothing intervening or even recognition of a read shift. I’ve posted that and the fuller case on day 3 here and night 3 in the ship thread.

You will find the post by searching my iso for aubergine since I did actually vote wilgy in the main case post.

So your case is that he hard defended a confirmed townie and he no u'd you. Great everyone can go home

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:48 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:42 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:32 pm Basically I thought TH's vote on Sokoth was elaborate bussing and he left early not to push it harder. That was the whole basis to it.

Then TH comes and says "but dude I talked a whole bunch about it in the Yun Qui chat" so I believed it.

Actually I have been pocrastinating on reading the Yun Qui chat for days imma do it now.
Wait you still have access?? I thought you were fired and would have lost access
Shhhh I'm saving it to read it tomorrow.
Lol now you've broken two rules
Godanmit someone show me where those rules are the OP has no rules.

Why is it wrong for me to save a page that I already have access to so I can read it later?

Oh I thought you meant you saved the text of the thread and had lost access. Which I think is pretty self-explanatorily not allowed. But if you still have access that's the host's responsibility.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:42 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:32 pm Basically I thought TH's vote on Sokoth was elaborate bussing and he left early not to push it harder. That was the whole basis to it.

Then TH comes and says "but dude I talked a whole bunch about it in the Yun Qui chat" so I believed it.

Actually I have been pocrastinating on reading the Yun Qui chat for days imma do it now.
Wait you still have access?? I thought you were fired and would have lost access
Shhhh I'm saving it to read it tomorrow.

Lol now you've broken two rules

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:36 pm DFARADAY
JULIETS

SCUM
TOWN

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:32 pm Basically I thought TH's vote on Sokoth was elaborate bussing and he left early not to push it harder. That was the whole basis to it.

Then TH comes and says "but dude I talked a whole bunch about it in the Yun Qui chat" so I believed it.

Actually I have been pocrastinating on reading the Yun Qui chat for days imma do it now.

Wait you still have access?? I thought you were fired and would have lost access

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:57 pm And given that we've confirmed that you know that he's Mafia (jks) why are you defending him so much? Would that not also make you Mafia?
Huh good question. Maybe it's because I genuinely still think he's town.
@Epignosis isn't this that thing you don't like when people do?

Oh quit grasping at straws my dude. I use approximately 500 adverbs per post regardless of my alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:51 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:48 pm

Nutella and TH are teammates, and Nutella is wildly flailing trying to figure out how to respond
Lmao that's exactly the story the mafia (aka probably you inh) are gonna jump all over.
For that to be true Turnip Head would need to flip scum? Are you saying TH is gonna flip scum?
I don't know. I don't think so. But apparently I'm the only one.

I miss Nova.
I mean to say that you literally said that he's gonna flip scum because you said that the Mafia are gonna chain you to his lynch. That means he's Mafia. How do you know that he's Mafia?
"It's the story mafia are gonna jump all over" if he flips scum. Because yes I am imagining that scenario and it terrifies me because I know it would make me look awful. But that would be exactly what the mafia wanted. If TH is bad I have been fucking played. Just played like a fiddle. But I'm still holding out hope that my trust in him wasn't misplaced because it would be a pretty bad hit to my ego if it was.
You think the Mafia want TH to get lynched so that they can chain you to him?

Me personally, if TH is Mafia I am assuming that they in fact don't want him to get lynched actually.

I think if it looks inevitable enough, i.e. you identify a "slip" and people seem to be buying it, they would go along with it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:24 pm GOLDEN
EPIGNOSIS

SCUM
TOWN (or 3p)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:57 pm And given that we've confirmed that you know that he's Mafia (jks) why are you defending him so much? Would that not also make you Mafia?

Huh good question. Maybe it's because I genuinely still think he's town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:51 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:45 pm Nvm ddl did tell us stuff. Yeah not buying it

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:46 pm Now I'm the one who doesn't know what the fuck is happening
Nutella and TH are teammates, and Nutella is wildly flailing trying to figure out how to respond
Lmao that's exactly the story the mafia (aka probably you inh) are gonna jump all over.
For that to be true Turnip Head would need to flip scum? Are you saying TH is gonna flip scum?
I don't know. I don't think so. But apparently I'm the only one.

I miss Nova.
I mean to say that you literally said that he's gonna flip scum because you said that the Mafia are gonna chain you to his lynch. That means he's Mafia. How do you know that he's Mafia?

"It's the story mafia are gonna jump all over" if he flips scum. Because yes I am imagining that scenario and it terrifies me because I know it would make me look awful. But that would be exactly what the mafia wanted. If TH is bad I have been fucking played. Just played like a fiddle. But I'm still holding out hope that my trust in him wasn't misplaced because it would be a pretty bad hit to my ego if it was.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:51 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:45 pm Nvm ddl did tell us stuff. Yeah not buying it

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:46 pm Now I'm the one who doesn't know what the fuck is happening
Nutella and TH are teammates, and Nutella is wildly flailing trying to figure out how to respond
Lmao that's exactly the story the mafia (aka probably you inh) are gonna jump all over.
For that to be true Turnip Head would need to flip scum? Are you saying TH is gonna flip scum?

I don't know. I don't think so. But apparently I'm the only one.

I miss Nova.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:49 pm What’s interesting is nutella said ‘biggest risk in 10 years if he’s mafia’ about how strong town TH is but considered buying macs scumslip. I don’t get that. If I was that sure of someone’s towniness my gut response to Mac is that it’s just shitposting or something and macs overreacting.

I was exaggerating a bit earlier about the risk thing and decided to consider I might be wrong. So I did what I could to check for evidence for or against the slip rather than discount it out of hand. I still think it's not a slip and I still think th is town. K?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:45 pm Nvm ddl did tell us stuff. Yeah not buying it

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:46 pm Now I'm the one who doesn't know what the fuck is happening
Nutella and TH are teammates, and Nutella is wildly flailing trying to figure out how to respond

Lmao that's exactly the story the mafia (aka probably you inh) are gonna jump all over.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:44 pm Wait actually I might buy it. Because I don't recall DDL saying anything about adventures in the yun qui thread.
Lol at this 180 once Mac’s post gains traction in the thread.

Not a 180. I figured it was worth checking DDL's content in the yun qui and I did and decided TH was legit.

Nvm ddl did tell us stuff. Yeah not buying it

Wait actually I might buy it. Because I don't recall DDL saying anything about adventures in the yun qui thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:37 pm Now you know how these things go when someone sees a scumslip, I fully expect most people to just tell me I'm a moron and possibly even retaliatory vote for me.

So anyway here goes.

You can see from my answer that I actually thought that he was talking about things that actually happened on Serenity.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:03 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:01 pm @MacDougall Lol sounds like Glorf was just being dramatic for the fun of it. DDL told Yun Qui about some of Serenity's adventures before you took over btw, we had a bit of a laugh
Laughing with me or at me? Lol.
I replied to this before I saw his follow on question about what the Bonnie Mae is called.

The thing is, I think he was actually talking about both. I think he conflated. For him to have conflated, he would need to be Mafia and there would need to be another Mafia (or more than one) on Serenity.

DDL had just joined his ship and no doubt had dropped the sweet Bonnie Mae goss. But over on Serenity I had been big noting myself incessantly about my new fancy shirt. I think Turnip Head somehow knew about what I had done on Serenity and in this post he accidentally revealed that by conflating two points.

Of course, as with all scum slips it might be a major wiff, we shall see in due time.

Mac out.

Nah, sorry, not actually buying it. Doesn't make sense, and besides I've been mentally mixing up the serenity and the Bonnie Mae since the beginning of the game. Maybe because golden wanted the serenity and I associated it with him. I think TH just mixed up the names. Still his excuse that DH called CYA city was weird, but not enough to convince me of this.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:33 pm I just wanted you to admit that your ship was called "the Bonnie Mae"cuz it sounds dunbs, and then you replied with "the Bonnie Mac" instead and I was like touché
OK I don't get the Macslip yet but this post right here is CYA city.

Exactly how I feel DH we are in mindmeldtown

I don't get it.

This better be good

Like I get why I look bad. I say whats on my mind and it always comes out looking sketchy. But the mafia love that and are taking advantage of it.

Also lol at inh. Nice try dude

Wrote it before seeing ddls post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:31 pm Yeah, screw it. Golden is bad. We've been on to you for a while and you keep weaseling your way out of the spotlight with your supatown reputation. I'm done falling for the act. We should have lynched you and your buddies days ago and we can't afford to let you last longer.
This is a weeeeeirrrrrd post.

"We should have lynched you and your buddies days ago"

What buddies? Are you saying that you know who all the Mafia are? If so then why haven't you said anything?

Everything about this post pings me. The timing coming after DDL's plea to emotion is also contributing.

Here's the deal Golden: if you flip civ I will more seriously consider the possibility I am wrong about TH, because I would owe you that legacy.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:45 pm That is definitely an emotional response lol but it’s one I believe to be fundamentally true. The only person who has truly examined me on the basis of this game in isolation with a view to me being bad is speed. And he wasn’t casing me.

Nutella and TH (and Colin) all seem to be comparing me to Courage. It could be genuine, but it’s also narrow, and most importantly wrong.

On that note - I’m at work for my busy morning. See you all later.

That may be part of it, I can admit as much, but it's really not just that. I think you are bad in this game because of your actions, tone, and interactions with other players in this game. Largely the latter. You are a compatible Sokoth teammate as demonstrated by DH, and you are compatible with pretty much every other possible baddie (DDL, Enrique, inh, even DF and sigliets-- honestly maybe not speed so much after that 3p speculation interaction)

Why would I do this if I was bad and knew he'd flip civ

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:24 pm If Golden flips good, Nutella is bad. With Enrique. And INH. Just like before.

Before? what

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:10 pm I can't wait to see Glorfindel's reaction when Golden flips bad
You’ll be waiting a while.

What, you a godfather/seemed or something so I have to wait for the end of the game?

I can't wait to see Glorfindel's reaction when Golden flips bad

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:45 pm I don't think this is the first time I have indicated suspicion on you golden. I considered it tinfoil for a while but it has been there.
I mean, it’s definitely felt tinfoil. I’m blindsided by it being more than that.

I don’t really think you are bad with DDL though and it would be bold to defend TH that strongly if you’re his teammate.

But shake your head out of it and listen from the other side. THs baddiness oozes all over the thread and you’re protecting him from an ivory tower. There’s no room for that. State your reasons. In case he’s pocketing you this needs to be openly discussed.

I’m open to being wrong but I’m not open to your game that has essentially been ‘golden is doing the ship game all wrong reading his crew as town but in our case we are right’. If you can’t see the blind hypocrisy in that...

I have my reasons. I have stated the ones that I can put into words. I am open to being wrong but I think it is extremely unlikely. TH is town. You are stubborn and maybe you aren't bad but I think you are and I'm following my gut. And it's not about you "doing the shop game wrong", but that could have been part of your manipulation.

I don't think this is the first time I have indicated suspicion on you golden. I considered it tinfoil for a while but it has been there.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:31 pm Yeah, screw it. Golden is bad. We've been on to you for a while and you keep weaseling your way out of the spotlight with your supatown reputation. I'm done falling for the act. We should have lynched you and your buddies days ago and we can't afford to let you last longer.
You don't get to do this without explanation.

So. What world are we in? Is this because DDL has persuaded you, or do you still think he's scum as well? If the former, why am I scum for listening to him slightly earlier?
Or is this the TH case? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

You have been all over the dang place, and I'm not following you until I can follow you.

I haven't decided on DDL. But I very strongly believe golden is bad for a multitude of reasons that have accumulated over the course of the game, and I think you are his teammate. Follow me or not, and I know I've been all over the place but I am very secure in this decision.

[VOTE: golden] aubergine

Yeah, screw it. Golden is bad. We've been on to you for a while and you keep weaseling your way out of the spotlight with your supatown reputation. I'm done falling for the act. We should have lynched you and your buddies days ago and we can't afford to let you last longer.

Fine. TH entrusted to Colin a large sum of money with which to buy an item for our ship. The way that went down (along with the other monetary operations/trading in our crew), and in general that I know TH chose at least 3out of 4 and likely all 4 crew members that were civilian, has led me to believe TH must be town.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:51 pm Nutella could you ex[plain your speed suspicion in more depth? It's persisted all game but I admit I haven't really paid much attention to it because I've been reading him differently. But to be honest both you and speed I've put in my 'sounds like your town selves, not paying that much attention to you' basket and having just found my mojo again I think it's time I pay attention to everyone.

For a while it was mostly a gut/tone thing I couldn't quite pit my finger on, like he didn't really feel organic to me somehow or his posts sounded almost forced or robotic. Lately I have more of a theory that he's compatible with you and Enrique, and that would especially make sense if DDL flips civ because a few posts ago speed kinda sounded like he knew ddl was gonna flip civ. we'll see.

Hmm ok that is better than I expected. I will consider it assuming ddl flips bad.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:10 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:07 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:04 pm I’m having a revelation here
Expand.
It's coming

Oooh this should be good. If it's the same one your buddy speedchuck is having you're toast.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:09 pm Also Nutella needs to expand on the Turbup lock townread she has.

Pff blowfish yourself :P eh I might explain more before EOD if I get a chance. Anyway I'm back to thinking you're bad, especially if DDL ends up flipping civ but still even if he's bad you're up there. And I am thinking it is more and more likely that Golden is your teammate, maybe Enri or INH too.

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