The Syndicate

oh wild. Thanks

Cool. But I don't want to have to search through the world asunder thread or scum chat to find out what the secret was so please just tell me

[mention]juliets[/mention] yes that is what we were trying to figure out in here, and why he didn't trust you lol, it turned out LC and BR forgot to send him that pm so he never knew.

Also I'm sure this has been revealed already and I forgot or missed but what was that role's secret stuff

Brain...taizar

hmmm

ANAGRAMED NANOOK'S FORETEETH

Speaking of anagrams

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:43 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Does anyone have any good anagrams of this

I had a bit of fun with this lmao. Turns out you can make it self-referential: NANOOK ANAGRAMS TO [something that doesnt actually make sense here like HE FREE TED or FEED THERE]

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:02 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:00 am What game is Bari Artzain from?
Back in the day, my players were MUCH more analytical. They would have gotten it. I miss aapje.

Ooo a puzzle! Is it an anagram of something hmm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:29 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 pmWait yeah so about that. Were you not the harbinger? I thought that's what juliets was referencing, that you should have known she was 100% town.
No, I was just VT. My favorite role.
I inherited a jailkeep from G-Man the first night, which is how I knew he was town. When Jay and Ted ignored me going good for him, I definitely thought they were scum. I didn't use my jailkeep on N2, though I considered jailing Mac. I don't know who killed me.
Huh, confused about what @juliets was talking about then
On Day 4 when I was in the dream level Dizzy was ghost talking in the main level. He was calling me bad a long with Jay and said to "trust him". He knew I was good since he knew I was the monitor. I thought about the possibility that he was trying to protect me but I mistakenly thought the "trust me" part was too much. So I thought, oh no I picked someone bad to be the Harbinger and now he's lying to get me lynched. Ironically it was Tranq who convinced me he was indeed protecting me.

Yeah no I figured that all out, I understood all that perfectly, what I was confused about was why he didn't know which it turned out was a host error.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:49 pm Dizzy was Harbinger. Just went through my Sent Messages and it looks like we didn't even tell Dizzy, somehow. Very sorry, I didn't realize until right now.

Yep, that explains everything. It's ok, mistakes were bound to happen in a game so complex. Poor juliets thought she was being carelessly thrown under the bus

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:44 pm We knew juliets was the monitor because we tried to kill her and it failed.

k, makes sense. But who was the harbinger if not dizzy because it really seemed like juliets implied that, and it couldn't have been switched or anything

I'm so goddamn confused wtf somebody solve this puzzle

Unless you yourself were the harbinger epi and you're just messing with me

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm If you don't know, I did steal Dyslexicon's role in chat with Dom's BTSC, which gave me the leverage I had late gate. I also discussed juliets being the Monitor and suggested he talk with her next (I think I did that anyway).

Still had to lie about the role a little.
Wait... so dizzy was the harbinger.

I'm so confused.

DId the hosts forget to tell dizzy about juliets or did dizzy miss it somehow or...??
I don't know anything about that. We janitored Dys and I claimed vanilla in chat with Dom. I even fudged the role description but he never called me out on it (Vanilla Fudge, heh).

Oh. I thought you knew juliets was the monitor because you got the info from dizzy's role. If that's not the case then nevermind dizzy but I am still confused at what juliets was insinuating the other day

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm If you don't know, I did steal Dyslexicon's role in chat with Dom's BTSC, which gave me the leverage I had late gate. I also discussed juliets being the Monitor and suggested he talk with her next (I think I did that anyway).

Still had to lie about the role a little.

Wait... so dizzy was the harbinger.

I'm so confused.

DId the hosts forget to tell dizzy about juliets or did dizzy miss it somehow or...??

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:33 pm The Sabie Incident was remarkable. Night 2:

"sabie is at risk of being shot. We'll need to swap her with someone unlikely to draw any attention from night kills. Michelle seems like a good choice. She is under the radar without being a major suspect. Only Turnip Head seems to suspect her much. So unless TH is exactly a vigilante and decides to kill exactly Michelle exactly tonight, we're okay."

LMAO

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm Why was no one resurrected?

Either the harbinger died or jay found who it was

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 pmWait yeah so about that. Were you not the harbinger? I thought that's what juliets was referencing, that you should have known she was 100% town.
No, I was just VT. My favorite role.
I inherited a jailkeep from G-Man the first night, which is how I knew he was town. When Jay and Ted ignored me going good for him, I definitely thought they were scum. I didn't use my jailkeep on N2, though I considered jailing Mac. I don't know who killed me.

Huh, confused about what [mention]juliets[/mention] was talking about then

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:14 pmYou are a scary civilian.
Why, thank you. I didn't catch you though! But I'm happy with my play overall. ^^

If I had trusted SVS and Juliets more, it would've been even better. But I think we all did our best.

Wait yeah so about that. Were you not the harbinger? I thought that's what juliets was referencing, that you should have known she was 100% town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:15 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:10 pm Thanks so much for the game, LC and BR!

Congrats, winning scum team!

Also, well played, town!
I wish I stayed longer in the game, but such is mafia. Thank you to those who invited me.
Your ghost posts were MVP worthy.

Yeah this also

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:09 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:01 pm Great game everyone.

@other civs: i'm sorry, i tried. I really did. I could've kept going. I could've switched speedchuck and Epignosis tonight, and get the not-Ted mafia killed. Or i could've used Harriet on both of them. But in the end i had to respect the Take 5 Bomb possibility, and couldn't risk it. A well deserved win to the Master team. They played great.
Killing me gave town a chance that it wouldn’t have had otherwise. I had a +1 vote that I’d been hanging on to all game which would have made it all but impossible to lynch any of us moving forward.

Nice, lol. Tranq MVP for playing a bit of both sides?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:26 pm Yall Epi was so obviously bad for the last several phases idk why you didn't lynch him lol gg
I mean

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:34 pm What i'm getting out of todays interactions and people's willingness to lynch each other, is this:

Epignosis:
NOT teammate with Tony: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p594551, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p594555, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 77#p594577
NOT teammate with Ted: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p594475, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p594631
NOT teammate with speedchuck: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 62#p594662, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p594660

But Jay's point about your lack of sloonei stuff though. And also literally all of your posts.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:27 pm Does someone have the dead chat and can they post it in here?

Yep here https://discord.gg/dCzBHKD

Yall Epi was so obviously bad for the last several phases idk why you didn't lynch him lol gg

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:23 pm Gg’s, the post was me openly wolfing, the exact term is lolcating, I just basically copied scum slips and modified the names to fit for this game lol

I was looking for more but I couldn’t find them

1610 is the classic from MU Champs 2019

Very sorry for contributing my voice to the sprityo push -- toward the end I was believing in his townieness again but couldn't say anything (I echo something jack said earlier about how he felt about it) -- just unfortunate.

The thing about ted implying that sprit might have checked him (which now it seems he probably didn't) was p sketchy and when it was pointed out that there is a scum role (not to mention also the 3p) that appears innocent to role checkers, he reacted kinda oddly which makes me think he might be guilty.

I think G-Man, speed, nanook, and Epi are most likely town (roughly in that order of most confidence to least). Dom is almost certainly town. Jack is basically a lock town in my head, so many mindmelds.

I think one of Jay or TH is on master team with how the two are going after each other and I am leaning Jay is the wolf and TH is the bait that Jay has decided to latch onto as an easy scapegoat.

I think juliets is probably town even if jay is scum, maybe especially if jay is scum lol with how much he is leaning on her townieness it's almost like pocketing/could be tmi based.

Tony, Colin, Michelle, Tranq, and Sloonei are wildcards..... which, looking to the numbers and the poe I have going here, means probably ~3 of them are scum. I remember I had reasons to suspect both Tony and Sloonei as Mac teammates, while I believe some people had arguments for Michelle being antimonitor. Tranq and Colin are both pretty null.

So my current bets are Jay and two of Ted/Tony/Sloonei on the master team, and let's say Michelle antimonitor. Also there's one other 3p somewhere that nobody has really thought about lol.

Tldr roughly tiered rainbow

Jack
Dom
-
Gman
juliets
-
TH
speed
nanook
Epi
-
Colin
Tranq
-
Sloonei
Tony
Michelle
-
Ted
Jay

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:48 pm
I was wrong but my read looks and feels authentic, you even said so yourself earlier. It wasn't until Mac actually flipped that you've now started calling my reads "disingenuous" and considering my contributions to be "nothing". I will pull your quotes if I have to. I can see now that you were being opportunistic at the time when you called my read of him authentic, and you are being opportunistic again after his flip, calling my reads "disingenuous" and "nothing".
You're taking advantage of my reads
when
they
suit
your
agenda

You are Mac's actual teammate, I'm the unwitting pawn on your chessboard.

He hadn't flipped yet = turnip's reads look real and good
After Mac flips = I hate all of turnip's read, bullet point by bullet point

Yeah I like this. I think Jay is likely Mac's teammate going after the easy TH bait. Jay's change of heart and "case" on TH is pretty convenient and feels disingenuous. I'm in favor of lynching Jay. Jay vs TH counter wagons may be very interesting and enlightening indeed.

Shit I mean, after you get rid of sig, ugh I keep forgetting that still has to happen today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:19 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:17 pm Jay-- put Turnip and sig aside.
Who do we lynch?
Gun to my head lynch choice: speedchuck

Wow bad and wrong and fake opinion tbh.

Listen to your friendly neighborhood ghost's spicy uninformed opinions, even if they're sometimes wrong

Lynch Jay

I mean, after sig, lol >_>

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:28 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:14 pm We can't isolate sig because he can switch targets, which I assume counts roleblocks, or would the block take precedence over his architect power?
Not while making a kill he can’t.

Uh, you sure about that? I don't think LC and BR generally do the "mafia members can only either do the kill or their ability" I think they would let them do both. Like they still have their power and the kill is additional/always available. Maybe get host confirmation before assuming that?

I'm using my last post of the phase for this lol rip (unless I have an extra one left over from my first incarnation still?? maybe??)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:44 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:47 pm I am
1. Beyond happy someone actually used the leeroy role
2. It didn’t kill town
3. Nanook wasn’t even in danger of being lynched and said fuck it
This might be a scum mindset leak.

Nutella was tied with Radishes and I was very very likely to remove my vote for Nutella, who I said I did not think was a wolf, and onto Radishes, who was just about the only player I had expressed suspicion on and who was a viable alternative to Nutella that late in the day.

Beyond happy a townie suicided on 3P? I thought it was sub optimal but was at least happy to be right on Nutella.

More like Sprityo was beyond happy his teammate lucked out, I think.

Yesssss this is a good take!! He was relieved Radish was given a chance at another phase. Glad you're coming around man

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:23 pm hello boys

sprityo could be the anti-monitor imo. His ISO only takes like ten minutes to read if anyone feels like going through it.

First half of sprit's ISO he weakly shades Jack (threatening to do so all the game), the second half he sinks his teeth into Mac and his posts become 90% about Mac. No consideration or banter, in sprit's mind Mac is basically confirmed bad, which makes sense if he was teamed with sig

anyways read his quick little ISO and tell me what you think

Mmm interesting. This is fine and could be right but could definitely be coming from a member of the Master mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:50 am Lol don't let this exercise fool you. Jay is Mac's teammate.

(I say this based on him being so quick to dismiss my Mac "equity" as if he knows I'm innocent. I'm not sure I actually think this yet but I thought it would sound smart. I'll do some homework on it tomorrow.)
JJJ has sounded like a tool to me this entire time. So phony. He's going through the motions.

Agreed. His interaction analyses have been lazy and I haven't agreed with all the conclusions so he could be putting some spin on them, and beyond those I agree that he generally doesn't feel quite right. Sadly he's not in this level but for future reference he is on my shortlist of potential Mac teammates. Though I never really did the homework on that like I said I was going to (not being able to see the thread at all for two days may be part of that

)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:04 am ColinIsCool - Colin is a big meh this game and has equity with Mac.
Dom - Dom is town
Epignosis - Epi is town
Jackofhearts2005 - Jack is town
Nanook - I don't have a great read on Nanook but he seems fine. Probably can say he's not scum with Mac.
sprityo - Not scum with Mac in spite of Jay's blahdyblah. I kinda don't feel like he's giving the least shits possible as the last member of team Sig/Sabie/Radishes but then again, I've seen Sprityo give no shits as a serial killer so I'm not locking him in as town. Also, he'd literally have to be exactly the Antimonitor to be scum.
tedxtr - Feels real town. Probably has antialignment with some of our lynches if I paid him enough attention.
Turnip Head - Pretty strong wolf equity with Mac what with defending him without really saying why and attacking players who attacked him. Like the best argument for TH being town is maybe wolf TH wouldn't be quite that blatant. Fairly sure he's not the 4th AM wolf.

So yeah, looking at Colin and TH. Open to hearing a case on Nanook or Ted but I doubt I'll follow one.

I mooooostly agree with these takes though I am more skeptical on ted and epi

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:08 am I'm hearing strange and foreign names like JJJ, G-Man, and juliets bring bandied about. No, we don't need any of those. We're a family now. Let's smoke cigars, get matching jackets, and then at the end of the day ritualistically sacrifice the life force of one of our members

im having yun qui flashbacks dont pull this family shit

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:12 am Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original

Lol yikes. Yeah sprityo is the antimonitor lmao

And TH is looking pretty bad too yeah. Both scum teams are toast tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 am The ghost of Macdougall haunts this place.

Nanook is the anti monitor. Sprityo is the cop. My team is gonna win. Sorry about being a prick Dom.

hey no infodumping!

I'm weirdly glad one of the mafia ghosts finally has the guts to spew bullshit to mess with us though, the others were cowards

Dizzy's post is, as usual, a holy revelation. The point that we should kill the AM before sig makes sense and I think that the dream levels work in our favor here, since sig can't really die in the other one yet, so if this thread lynches sprityo who I think is antimonitor, then the other level probably sends us sig after that and can at least try dizzy's isolation/blocking plan -- not really sure how it can be implemented reliably when ppl can't claim roles to coordinate, but then again he only has to be blocked every other night, right, so I guess alternating targeting isn't really an issue? Wait no but sig is the switching role which will definitely fuck it up. hmmmm idk

Also yeah makes sense that sig did this lol.

Anyway I'm p convinced sprityo is the best lynch for today.

....Now that I said that I'm feeling even more like TH is mac's teammate so once again it's a decision between lynching the two teams. Like dizzy said though it's probably good to lynch AM here? But also I want to lynch mac's teammates??

Like, this:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:05 pm I'm surprised Colin is willing to give such a decisive read of me, especially after I fooled him so thoroughly (and lovingly!) In Firefly

I have a hard time seeing this post as anything besides a wolf talking about a townie.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:13 pm Bad Colin would take advantage of me fooling him in Firefly to shade me bad here

So he's not bad, and you know it, and you know that you're bad and successfully fooling him again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:47 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:39 pm Idk jack, it’s more and more tempting to just let town eat the shit and lynch me.

It’s obvious I’m not wanted outside of yourself in this level of the dream
Town most never be told to eat shit.

Nobody learns a lesson when a fellow townie throws up a middle finger and lets himself get lynched. Nobody feels bad. They just blame the lynchee for being salty instead of trying to help the town.

Plus, some of the players you think “don’t want you” really don’t. Because they’re wolves. They’re not gonna learn anything from this lynch beyond that you rolled over for them.

Bro he's scum lol.

Just got to Epi's theory on Nanook. I disagree but I can kinda see where he's coming from on a couple points... but it's also just one of those Epi pet theories that he seems to think is a slam dunk but I don't understand why. I just don't think the evidence is that strong. I think nanook is likely town.

I am feeling about 80% confident that TH is on the master team and 90% confident that Sprityo is the antimonitor. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] the reason to lynch sprit over TH FMPOV is (a) I'm more confident sprit is bad and (b) dizzy's plan to isolate sig and neutralize a whole team. But there are arguments to be made for going after mac's teammates now as well.

Also yeah what dizzy said, I honestly don't know how you could think sprit's posts are coming from town at this point. Town is doing amazing so if he's salty and demoralized it's because he's the antimonitor.

Hi guys, I didn't have the permissions to view this thread until now so I was pretty in the dark as to what's been going on but I just got in and found out I died anyway lol.

and SVS too, though it's nice her role confirmed sig is bad -- some of the theorizing during the night phase was starting to make me worry he had a higher chance of being town than I thought but never mind that. Not that you guys in this dream level or whatever can lynch him anyway apparently. (I can only view this one btw) I haven't read any of the day phase yet but looking at the poll the names I'm most concerned with are TH and Ted. Though several others I'm pretty null on. I don't think I'll be much help here.

Lol don't let this exercise fool you. Jay is Mac's teammate.

(I say this based on him being so quick to dismiss my Mac "equity" as if he knows I'm innocent. I'm not sure I actually think this yet but I thought it would sound smart. I'll do some homework on it tomorrow.)

But what if you're on his team tho

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:30 pm And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.
Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.
I have seen Epi as scum several times. I have in that time never seen Epi seriously bus a teammate. We were scum together one time in a game where literally everyone besides him was voting for me and he wouldn’t do it. Not saying he couldn’t. But it just seems unlikely in this case.

Hmm ok I'll take your word for it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:36 pm Although I guess everyone, TH included, deserves to be re-examined against the backdrop of mac. The macdrop.

Oh, there's the backpedal. Lol.

I stand by my aforementioned take though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:30 pm And why can't Epi be on Mac's team?

I'll let you figure that one out.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:33 pm Hey @Sloonei

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.
Town. Reasons well documented.

From this answer alone I'm going to say that Sloonei or TH are not w/w. I'm willing to bet exactly one of them is on Mac's team and not both.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:30 pm And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:24 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:21 pm I honestly think Epi is town.
Why you think that?
Cause

1) If you were Sig’s buddy, you would know I’m town and this recurring song would be an attempt to wifom me into townreading you, which I do t think you have the time to come up with given your effort level this game.

2) If you were Sig’s buddy, you wouldn’t defend him after I started fitting Speed for a noose over him doing exactly that.

And why can't Epi be on Mac's team?

you're just gonna say votes again and I don't care

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.
I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.
Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.
Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.
And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.
I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal
I didn't though.

OK you might actually be derpcleared.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:22 pm If yall are so so so so certain of me being a baddie off of a fake slip and refuse to see meta then whatever your most likely mafia or just not willing to listen. But, literally like look at the sum of my gameplay ignore the slip and see what you see.

Since this "slip" was the reasoning for many votes many of which I suspect were mafia members from both teams who wanted me gone. At the very least they're from macs team.

I don't care about meta here at all, but I will say that your repeated pleas have actually done something for me in terms of the chance that you are town who just figured stuff out from being targeted/guessing mac was targeted/maybe having an info role. I'm not dismissing that possibility and your... dare I call it AtE... is kinda working on me lol. I think the probability is much higher that you're just scum, but I'm doing my best to think critically and reconsider the evidence here.

Wait also what is that last part. You think SVS is mafia??

Elaborate pls

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.
I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.
Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.
Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.
And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.
I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal
This is exactly what I fucking mean and why I'm still pretty pissed

It seems like alot of players didn't fucking bother to look at rhs development of my mac read didn't want to tale the time to read my big d2 post then my immediate night 2 post and just saw the dizzy thing and steeped it.

Now since they're convinced I slipped they're find to bus me and mess everything up.

There is no real way to defend myself from a fake slip that people want to listen to. Furthermore it is 100% within my meta that this shit always happens to me.

Sloonie is the only person with a solid non slip reason. Followed maybe by svs, but in light of Macs flip she's mafia for sure so doesn't really matter.

I would argue that I also had strong non-"slip" reasons. I have read everything and formed my own conclusions, I didn't just sheep dizzy blindly

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:16 pm Well, I didn’t see that coming.

I skipped over some stuff to check in, but I’ll be limited throughout the night phase so I might not post again during it just so y’all know.

Colin didn't see the loss of his teammate coming.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:14 pm
I don't give a shit about weird feelings. Which alignment am I? You just said nothing about me. Take a stance.

I just mean I cycled through thinking you were each of the alignments from that post. As in, I could see the potential motivation from each scum team, or that you were town (or 3p) and really believe what you said. I haven't decided which is more likely, but the fact that I am able to see clear motivations for you being on either scum team is rather concerning.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:14 pm I want someone now to make the case for Sig as town.
Is anyone doing that? Besides Sig?

Nanook kinda

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
This is actually a terrible look for Speed.
I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.
Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.
Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.
And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I expect you to have read sig's single day 2 post, it was a pretty big deal

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm sig's still a top suspect.
I don't understand Sloonei.
This was exactly the point about Sig having tmi about the mafia shooting the opposing bulletproof wolf.

This is the Mac flip that confirms Sig as scum and one of the reasons I pushed to lynch him first.

The other was to force the other wolf team to react and boy howdy did they.

TH for instance basically claimed wolf. Sloonei did himself no favors. I would not at all be surprised if the fourth voted Sig. Sprityo, Tony and myself basically clear of being on the master team.
I'm lost
What part is confusing?
When did TH "basically claim" wolf? Not that I'm denying they definitely look like a Mac teammate, just wondering what you're referring to exactly, vote pattern maybe? And, how are you, sprit, and tony cleared??

Tony in particular looks kinda sketch imo, but again maybe it was vote timing, I wasn't paying much attention to those
TH - Vote pattern was to defend Mac and then get off wagon when it was too late. He spent all game calling my suspicion of Mac bullshit and flipped his read on me from buddying a townie to calling me a wolf entirely based off my (now confirmed correct) scumread on Mac. He didn’t back this read up at all. He’s just been defending his partner.

Tony - Put forth the game theory before me. Helped start the Mac wagon. Mac shaded him quite a bit.

Sprityo - Good vote timing. Fourth Mac vote vs like a 6 or 7 Sig vote wagon. Risky as a Sig mate. Does not happen as a Mac mate. Plus, Mac shaded him hard.

None of these points are conclusive enough for me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:53 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm

You parse that by lynching Jack.
I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?
Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.
And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?
I condemned Jack based on sabie stuff. I can link you if need be.

Then he preemptively calls anybody who makes cases against anyone after sig is dead teammates of Mac. That's horseshit. Jack is not a civilian. Lynch his ass.
Can we do it after Sig?

I understand your position on Jack now but you didn't actually answer my questions there.
Sorry. I was being dramatic.

I had sig as a civilian. If people want to lynch him, I'm not standing in the way.

I realize that isn't satisfying, but it's why I tipped the scales in favor of a Mac lynch.

I get a weird feeling from this. This post has made me think you could be any of the alignments available and I don't know what to think.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
This is actually a terrible look for Speed.
I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:53 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
You parse that by lynching Jack.
I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?
Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.
And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?
I condemned Jack based on sabie stuff. I can link you if need be.

Then he preemptively calls anybody who makes cases against anyone after sig is dead teammates of Mac. That's horseshit. Jack is not a civilian. Lynch his ass.

You didn't answer the question.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm sig's still a top suspect.
I don't understand Sloonei.
This was exactly the point about Sig having tmi about the mafia shooting the opposing bulletproof wolf.

This is the Mac flip that confirms Sig as scum and one of the reasons I pushed to lynch him first.

The other was to force the other wolf team to react and boy howdy did they.

TH for instance basically claimed wolf. Sloonei did himself no favors. I would not at all be surprised if the fourth voted Sig. Sprityo, Tony and myself basically clear of being on the master team.
I'm lost
What part is confusing?

When did TH "basically claim" wolf? Not that I'm denying they definitely look like a Mac teammate, just wondering what you're referring to exactly, vote pattern maybe? And, how are you, sprit, and tony cleared??

Tony in particular looks kinda sketch imo, but again maybe it was vote timing, I wasn't paying much attention to those

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