The Syndicate

wooo! nice call, SVS.

sorry I was a really shitty player

Okay. I'll move it to bullz then.

I'm seriously very busy IRL. Sorry but I just cannot put much time into this each day and I am trying to respond to questions that are asked of me.

I guess you brought up the fact that I also role hinted early -- yeah, I did. I kind of talked about this already though -- it wasn't even really an intentional hint, and it's no different from how I might slip in a hint in a regular game. I had no idea how pivotal role claiming would end up being in this game. Yours however was so goddamn overt, you quickly got so devoted to calling people nicknames. There is a difference in how confidently you assumed your role.

And I think Sawyer is a very likely candidate for the third impostor. Like Sun and Charlie, he's a pretty major character but not as major as, say, Jack and Locke. Sayid is probably at a similar level but I trust SVS. I'd be kinda surprised if it's Kate but not hugely. I highly doubt it is Michael.

Epignosis wrote: ...she rationalizes her hypocrisy...somehow? Her thinking was that them Uzzers were hanging out in the background. She'd already named Floyd...so who else was there?

Zebra - Talker
Long Con - Talker
DrWilgy - Talker
Sorsha - Talker
Floyd - Quiet
Nutella - Quiet
DFaraday - Usually quiet but was up for a lynch (and Nutty Bar didn't vote him)
Scotty - Talker
Bullzeye - Talker
Typhoony - Talker
Matt - Talker
S~V~S - Talker
Epignosis - Talker

So this rationale is empty. There were no quiet people except Nutty Bar and Floyd.

Wilgy was quiet at the beginning. Also, just because someone posts a fair amount doesn't mean they're not blending in. I think Sorsha at least was also fading into the background at that point, at least in my opinion.


I don't have a ton of time but I'll try to look at the other stuff you wanted me to respond to but a lot of it is vague/not really questions directed at me. Again, most of the reasons have to do with my wishy-washyness and my voting record, and I've said many times that I've just genuinely been playing really shittily this game. I am trying to defend myself though. SVS is right, this always happens to me. So you know what, It will not be my fault if you decide to lynch me

I'm finding SVS really trustworthy and I am tempted to believe her about Bullzeye -- I was hesitant to suspect him at first because of his early thing with Matt, but that could easily have been staged. I mean I'll probably end up voting for Bullz anyway because it seems to be between us, but I'm really starting to believe SVS.

What I don't want is for me to be lynched and then get blamed if we lose, because I'm trying my hardest to defend myself and you guys are not giving me much of a chance. If there is something specific I haven't addressed please let me know. I'd love to stay alive for a win.

DrWilgy wrote:Regardless, I'm placing my vote on Nutella at least until we have a firm opinion and responses from her, and I guess we'll go from there...

I am unclear on what you still want a response from me on. Everything I've said has been my genuine frustration with this game -- all my flip flops are just that. I don't have anything else to add. I understand that my voting record is absolute shit, and that my posts/opinions have looked suspicious because I mostly stream-of-conciousness them and often change my mind. But that's because I was totally clueless and often followed the opinions of whoever I trusted at the time.

As of now, I am sticking with my gut and voting Epi.

Sorry I have been absent and not good at replying to stuff or defending myself. I am incredibly busy and haven't been able to check in much.

Zebra, sad to see you go. I still completely missed why everyone suddenly became convinced she was bad...

I don't really know what else to say to properly defend myself but I swear to Jacob I'm innocent and I really hope we can win this tomorrow. I still think Epi is most likely.

a2thezebra wrote:What are your current top suspicions, nutella? Besides me of course, since everyone inexplicably suspects me now.

...I thought I had made it clear that I think Epi is the last baddie. I could be totally wrong of course, and if it's not him I'd then try Wilgy, then maybe you but I didn't really read today's posts that closely so I'm unclear on why everyone suddenly thinks you're bad, but I could be swayed.

what even is going on here @.@

RIP Typh

I am voting for Epi. I'd bet 10 SmashCoins he's the baddie. He really just swooped right in trying to manipulate Zebra into going after me instead. Your teammate Scotty already tried to deflect attention to me buddy, I know I'm an easy target but this ain't a new trick, and from my perspective it's pretty painful to watch just how hard you're grasping.

I mean, hey, you could lynch me first to make sure, but we could also just end this today if Epi is the one (and honestly I'd hate to just miss out on being alive at the end of a game again, it keeps happening to me I can't remember the last time I actually won). I am not 100% sure that it is Epi and if he isn't then I'd go for Wilgy after that. But I'd be surprised.

Here is what I know:
- Publicly confirmed actual civilian characters: Boone, Shannon, Jack, Locke, Hurley.
- I know to be actual civilian character: Jin.
- I believe to be true claims: Sayid, Claire, Kate, Michael.
- Claims that have been confirmed as baddie fakes: Sun, Charlie.
- Claim I believe to be a baddie fake: Sawyer.

Golden was quite deviously tricky in the way he set up this game. He made it so that every player could plausibly claim a role, and the baddies' fake claims would blend in perfectly -- what's more, he seemed to either randomize it or deliberately distribute it so that the baddies' fake roles to claim would be pretty major characters that people would expect to be actual civilian roles, and he split up Jin and Sun just to mess with my goddamn mind.

Since Epi knew from the beginning that he could claim Sawyer, he had a hell of a fun time with it, calling everybody nicknames and playing the part. He knew Sawyer was a major character, so people would probably assume he was a civilian role, and nobody could counter his claim. (lol, imagine me saying all this in a detective-show-how-he-did-it-reveal voice. "Being the attention whore we all know and love, he relished this opportunity for performance and fell naturally into the spotlight." ) Anyway, I think my point is kind of that he really embraced the role-claiming right away, since he knew it would come up eventually -- meanwhile, the rest of us didn't know about the fakes and how pivotal role claims would be, so although a few of us (myself, SVS whose hints I never even got, surely others) hinted subtly early on, we were probably only doing so to the extent that we might subtly hint in a game without roleclaiming -- I at least had only skimmed that part of the rules and had no concept of this type of setup. Most of the civvies didn't claim until the thread collectively decided to do role claims -- which started with (a) Epi pressuring Sorsha into claiming and (b) Matt overtly claiming his fake. The claim avalanche was provoked largely by Epi.

Sorry this is really rambly and maybe not going anywhere but the more I think about it the more confident I am Epi is badbadbad. And I am much more inclined to believe Wilgy's claim of Michael bc he was so low-key about it. And I'm just going to stop here because there are actually a few more reasons I think Sawyer is the most likely fake claim, but they may be crossing into the realm of overanalysis.

My order is Epi > Wilgy > SVS > Bullz > Zebra > Typh

Wow I missed a lot of interesting content today o.O As I was reading through everyone's posts from earlier I became less convinced Wilgy was bad and more convinced Scotty was, but alas I was too late to change my vote. Glad to see another baddie got lynched. And lol you guys are going to pick me apart and roast me for saying that I so conveniently but unhelpfully changed my mind yet again, but it's just the truth I really just flip-flop on my opinions a lot and it always looks suspicious but it's always just me being honest with my indecisive thought process. This has been a problem for me in so many games and is always what gets me in trouble as a civ. This game I've been using a combination of gut feelings and process of elimination, along with recently trusting the opinions of Typh and Zebra since they seem so confident, and through all this I felt I had narrowed down the baddies to 2 of Scotty, Epi, or Wilgy. Now that scotty is down I am more inclined for now to pursue Epi. I know my voting record is absolute shit but I just keep rethinking things every day. :\

Scotty, idk what kind of case that was, you basically summarized some things I said without any analysis. Nice try. Like I said, my "flip" on Zebra was not sudden but gradual as I found myself trusting her opinions more (Typh's contributions helped bc I trusted him). As for Floyd, my reaction to his lynch was exactly how I said -- I was surprised that all those votes appeared on him and I was unclear on the motivation for it, and it had nothing to do with my earlier gut suspicion of him.

Looks like Wilgy is digging his hole deeper. I think either Scotty or Epi could be his teammate. Part of me wants to think Scotty is genuine, so I want to hear more from Epi for sure.

And what exactly are your reasons for voting me? Sure I haven't looked perfect this game, but I'm a civ. I guess my behavior's been suspicious enough to make me an easy target for the baddies to deflect onto.

Well that's too bad. RIP sorsha.

Voting Wilgy

a2thezebra wrote:It's Epi and Wilgy folks.

Or this actually.

I've finally changed my mind on Zebra (it's been a gradual process over the last couple days tbh). I think Wilgy and Scotty are our uzzers.

So the fake role claim thing is confirmed. Well that's pretty fucked up. But great that we're one baddie down!

I bet the other two are Wilgy and Zebra. And if by some crazy chance that's not the case, I'd entertain that crazy theory about Sorsha and Typh.

lmao this game is ridiculous. it's pretty clear that the baddies in fact know which characters are in the game and golden has totally fucked with us and especially messed with me because I stupidly assumed there must be a Sun. Sneaky tricky :\

DrWilgy wrote:Anyone care to talk about how if Matt flips civ, Zebra is Scum?

Was surprised to come back and not find a lynch post, and then I realized there's another whole day on the poll. Lame.

a2thezebra wrote:There's a number of things wrong with that rainbow list of mine, yet it takes more than a quick glance to notice all of them.

1. Epignosis, who I'm currently voting for, is fairly high among the civilian reads.
2. DFaraday, Floyd, and Long Con (who is a neutral gun-to-head scum read) are all dead.
3. Ricochet isn't playing this game.
4. Rain Man does not exist.
5. Golden is the host.
6. I have a very strong scum read of myself.

Scotty only noticed (or at least only made note of noticing) Number 3.
nutella only noticed (or at least only made note of noticing) Number 6.

Everyone else made no mention of the list at all, which I find interesting.

I noticed most of the other stuff (including the fact that I was placed above the dead confirmed civs! ), but chose to ignore it at first and then made a general "wtf" comment.

really, something quite fishy is going on in the state of this island, and I can't quite fit the pieces of the puzzle together.

Yeah, it does make sense to me now that Floyd probably checked Matt. And this may be really unkosher to say (idk punish me if it's breaking the rule) but part of why I think so is based on what Golden said.

But, my major hesitation is that I really believed Matt's claim, and given I know Jin is in this game I'd be surprised if Sun wasn't. If that's true and the baddies indeed have fake roles to claim, then kudos Golden for seriously messing with my brain. But based on how the role claiming fest went down, I still hella don't trust Zebra.

Conclusion: I'm not sure whether I want to change my vote or not. Probably Matt will be lynched anyway, but I'd feel bad if he's my dear wife. And seriously, what is going on with zebra, has everyone else picked up on something that I haven't? And wtf is wrong with that rainbow list? Is that a self-outing?

Epignosis wrote:

nutella wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If Tuft-Head is bad, I guarantee you nutella is too.

I still don't know who the fuck Tuft-Head is (Matt?), or most of your other dumb nicknames that are only serving to obfuscate and confuse discussion. But I guarantee you I'm not bad.

nutella wrote:

Scotty wrote:I wonder what nutella thinks about all this game stuff.

I too am interested in whether Zebra has info. I might decide to vote for Matt with that hope, but I'm kinda skeptical about him. I still have an odd hunch about Floyd, and tentatively also Long Con, but idk how to explain it. I guess I'm tired of overanalyzing and manufacturing suspicions and would rather listen to my gut unless something more convincing comes up.

linki @ zebra hmm okay

I'd have expected a little more anti-Matt rhetoric than I'm seeing from you given that Jumbotron is dead.

I'm not sure I see the logic here. Am I missing something really obvious?? The one I'm really suspicious of is Zebra. And that's where my vote is going.

Epignosis wrote:If Tuft-Head is bad, I guarantee you nutella is too.

I still don't know who the fuck Tuft-Head is (Matt?), or most of your other dumb nicknames that are only serving to obfuscate and confuse discussion. But I guarantee you I'm not bad.

@ sorsha - Wilgy already said hasn't even seen Lost, so no way he'd make that up.


anyway, shit, RIP Floyd. Kinda weird how those votes suddenly happened, I'm not really clear on why. But I just want to lynch Zebra even more.

I'm voting for Zebra. I believe Matt's claim and I'd very much prefer that he not die and besides I find myself not trusting a word from Zebra lately.

I am fine with role claiming if you guys make up your mind about it. Tbh I sorta hinted at my role way at the beginning

Scotty wrote:I wonder what nutella thinks about all this game stuff.

I too am interested in whether Zebra has info. I might decide to vote for Matt with that hope, but I'm kinda skeptical about him. I still have an odd hunch about Floyd, and tentatively also Long Con, but idk how to explain it. I guess I'm tired of overanalyzing and manufacturing suspicions and would rather listen to my gut unless something more convincing comes up.

linki @ zebra hmm okay

Scotty wrote:

nutella wrote: Yeah I do recognize I was somewhat hypocritical in saying that, but then again I wasn't because it doesn't contradict at all. I know that I'm sort of in the background, I just think that the baddies are also in the background.

That's like wearing a purple unitard while giving your testimony as a witness to a detective about your murdered mother-in-law, and exclaiming that you saw a person in a purple unitard running away from the scene of the crime. I do actually think that's a little contradictory. But to each her own

Maybe I should draw a venn diagram or something. I'm really just saying that the baddies are a subset of people who are under the radar and I'm one of the non-baddies who happens to also be under the radar. I think it's a fairly simple thought process.

Huh, nobody died. I can dig it.

Sorsha wrote:

nutella wrote:Whoops, sorry, I kinda forgot about this game today.
RIP DF. I've caught up but I don't really get all the hullabaloo between him and Matt and as usual I'm really not taking anything away from Day 1 nonsense. There's really no way to glean much of anything from that, and if anything I'd lean towards thinking the people getting more involved in the discussion are not the baddies.

Epignosis wrote:I'm votin for my spottieottiedopaliscious nutella. Damn damn damn damn.

????? What even

Yeah, sorry I've been under the radar so far, but I didn't really have any thoughts yesterday since it was just getting started and I didn't remember to catch up until after the lynch. (I'll be gone all day tomorrow too but it'll be night so hopefully I won't miss as much discussion) otherwise I'll try to pay more attention and start to form some thoughts on day 2. Honestly even though my vote for Floyd was pretty pseudo-random I wouldn't mind pursuing him a bit since he also seems to have remained pretty under-the-radar.

Ok... So the people participating in the discussion are not the baddies but you are not participating in the discussion.

And you vote for Floyd for being under the radar but he's really been more present than you have been...

Yeah I do recognize I was somewhat hypocritical in saying that, but then again I wasn't because it doesn't contradict at all. I know that I'm sort of in the background, I just think that the baddies are also in the background. I just don't feel that the players who were most vocal on day 1 are likely to be bad. On that note, can someone explain what the whole deal with Matt is and why Bullz is so sure he's bad?

Btw, Floyd only has 2 more posts than I do. Maybe he's contributed a little more content than I have, but I sure haven't noticed.

Whoops, sorry, I kinda forgot about this game today.
RIP DF. I've caught up but I don't really get all the hullabaloo between him and Matt and as usual I'm really not taking anything away from Day 1 nonsense. There's really no way to glean much of anything from that, and if anything I'd lean towards thinking the people getting more involved in the discussion are not the baddies.

Epignosis wrote:I'm votin for my spottieottiedopaliscious nutella. Damn damn damn damn.

????? What even

Yeah, sorry I've been under the radar so far, but I didn't really have any thoughts yesterday since it was just getting started and I didn't remember to catch up until after the lynch. (I'll be gone all day tomorrow too but it'll be night so hopefully I won't miss as much discussion) otherwise I'll try to pay more attention and start to form some thoughts on day 2. Honestly even though my vote for Floyd was pretty pseudo-random I wouldn't mind pursuing him a bit since he also seems to have remained pretty under-the-radar.

TheFloyd73 wrote:G'day, I'm finally here.
Matt, I'm assuming you're voting for Bullz due to being scum in other matches. What makes you certain that they are scum here?
Nutella, care to explain your vote?

I don't really have an explanation. It's day one and votes are changeable so I threw it on. Call it a random hunch, it's pretty meaningless. Like reading tea leaves.

lol, lostwillnevarend. that was some funny shit. do you guys remember areyouafraidofthesmoke too? resurect means bring bak 2 lyf!

on topic btw I feel like voting for floyd idk

Who are the uzzers