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- Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:06 pm
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When you speak of hedging... is that like a general wishy-washiness, leaving both sides open, kind of thing?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:32 pm So, first of all, FZ.
I want to talk about this post.
"I find myself" is a hedge phrase. Moreover, with what exactly does FZ. agree? Instead of being specific, she says something there feels not genuine. What is this something? This statement baffles me. Not because of whether it's a correct perception or not, but because of what she accuses me of doing now: Acting like I'm going full force after what I believe. If I am bad, then I don't truly believe in what I'm saying. In FZ.'s mind, how can I be bad if I'm going full force after what I (genuinely) believe? This sentence is supposed to buttress FZ.'s previous commentary about me, but it weakens it: Was my perceived bluntness (i.e., going full-force after what I believe) the product of me drawing a mafia role, which is what the blue statement implies, or was it a product of what I believed other people would say about me?FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pmI'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.
Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.
And this is where FZ. gives herself the luxury of voting Kylemii or defending Kylemii- whichever suits her purpose.
There's so much hedge in this post, I could block the neighbors' view of the roof.
- Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:30 pm
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Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
This speedchuck post is a page before my current catch-up level in Mortal Kombat mafia:speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:10 pm Seriously, that is a consistent meta disclaimer. I play a good town game as 3P or Mafia. I am crap town, usually just skating by with power role usage.
I don't know if this is a Mafia faux pas, and I don't know if the dichotomy I'm seeing here is all that legit. But that speedchuck was downplaying the use of meta, shortly before our speedchuck pushes a 100% meta defense for himself.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:10 amPlenty of observations, valuable ones, can be made without meta.
I remember when meta was just another avenue of analysis, rather than the only one.
And now I'm meta-ing across concurrent games. How meta IS this???
- Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:03 am
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I wanted to look over speedchuck's ISO, because he's a mainline player right now that has sidestepped most attention. So far, not such a good look to me.
It's the w/w part that I really don't like. This is a fine way to buddy, if speedchuck is bad: You don't have to say the players are Civ and put yourself out there for TMI comments... you just create a situation where they're "not Mafia with..." and push a 60% Kyle-bad agenda. The bonus is that when Kyle flips Civ, LC and FZ are suddenly the "possible Wolf" side of the pair, creating a natural opening for the midgame push to those players.
Not to mention that "not w/w" has to be the darling of the baddie world... you get to give opinions without committing to reading ANYONE as Civ OR bad! Poor form.
" For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either."
" For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either."
I just pasted it a couple of extra times because I actually hate this very much.
Easy adjective: wishy-washy. If that floats your boat. Doesn't always do much for me, but this is clearly a wishy-washy statement.
My problem is that this says: "You all can probably see that Kyle is bad. But here's a meaningless reason why he's not."
How early was this? Is that how you all act when you're on a baddie team? You rush to your teammate's defense on Day 0 because JJJ said some silly stuff? Balderdash! Why would you act like you assume a guy with baddie teammates would have them "rushing to his aid"? What??
I can't stop reading these sentences over and over. It just grates on me more and more every time. I have to move on.
Jumping in to nitpick JJJ. JJJ is involved in a JJJ-Epi thing, where both of them are calling each other bad, and speedchuck comes in from the sidelines to simplify two paragraphs of JJJ's into a mirror-image, 100% hypocritical exposé.
That takes some real focus, like he wanted to make this conclusion happen, and went about doing it. Go ahead and read the two paragraphs he conflated. I can't, in any honest fashion, make speedchuck's analysis work. It's two different players, two different gaming prersonalities, two different conversations, two different situations, and one is a SELF-analysis, which brings in so much extra baggage that the comparison becomes thin-ice-fragile immediately. And yet he opens the comparison with a levered- and shimmied-in sound bite that reflects none of that.
That's all I have for this night. I hoped I'd get farther through speedchuck's ISO, but the stuff I did look at just made me write so much. I never even got back to Mortal Kombat to catch up there. Good night. I'm placing a vote on speedchuck because he looks pretty bad right now.
Speedchuck's first real post was a mechanics post with a twist. JJJ (? I think?) presented it as a Civ indicator - like speedchuck had a Civ mindset from which he built this idea. Looking back at speedy's ISO, I don't agree with that. I fairly commonly will start a game with a role analysis overview, with some 'questions to the public' on how to most-Civviely proceed with certain roles. I do this often as a Civ, and often enough as a baddie. I always feel some smugness when I'm Civ and get called out for it, because it validates my baddie use of it. My point is, that it's NAI, as the cool dudes say.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:
Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.
However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.
We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?
"Disgusting." The effect of the first line is to focus attention MORE on Kyle, with the editorial that it's crazy that this could be happening. What does it mean to put that out there? Is it honest bewilderment, like "Wow whoa, that's so crazy wow!" or is it nudging a light agenda, like "That's maybe too crazy to be a coincidence". He puts out the "crazy" twice, and then give a scum rating that is JUST high enough to be "I'd lynch him if it came down to it, and this number would cover my ass about it" but low enough to withstand a drop below 50% and suddenly Kyle is cool, if the tides shifted even slightly. That is just bogus to me.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:20 pm Three scumreads on Kylemii, all for different reasons. If Jay is being serious. That's crazy.
And nobody in the thread is trying to defend him. Also crazy.
I put scum Kylemii at like... idk, 60% odds?
LC/Kyle not w/w.
FZ./Kyle not w/w.
It's the w/w part that I really don't like. This is a fine way to buddy, if speedchuck is bad: You don't have to say the players are Civ and put yourself out there for TMI comments... you just create a situation where they're "not Mafia with..." and push a 60% Kyle-bad agenda. The bonus is that when Kyle flips Civ, LC and FZ are suddenly the "possible Wolf" side of the pair, creating a natural opening for the midgame push to those players.
Not to mention that "not w/w" has to be the darling of the baddie world... you get to give opinions without committing to reading ANYONE as Civ OR bad! Poor form.
" For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either."speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:36 pmwolf/wolf
mafia/mafia
You two are probably not on a team together, is what I'm saying
linki: as for your second post, I could see FZ and LC's points on Kylemii. For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either.
Those reasons.
" For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either."
" For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either."
I just pasted it a couple of extra times because I actually hate this very much.
Easy adjective: wishy-washy. If that floats your boat. Doesn't always do much for me, but this is clearly a wishy-washy statement.
My problem is that this says: "You all can probably see that Kyle is bad. But here's a meaningless reason why he's not."
How early was this? Is that how you all act when you're on a baddie team? You rush to your teammate's defense on Day 0 because JJJ said some silly stuff? Balderdash! Why would you act like you assume a guy with baddie teammates would have them "rushing to his aid"? What??
I can't stop reading these sentences over and over. It just grates on me more and more every time. I have to move on.
Winky intrigue aside, if speedchuck is bad, then it behooves him to hang on to a suspicion, and to make it more his own by pointing out that Jay dropped it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:55 pm I still have a scumread on Kylemii. Stronger than before Jay dropped the suspicion.
If I still have it come Day 1 Start I'll tell you why.
This is all negative. Every single word is working to place suspicion on the people he's talking about.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:55 amFirst part. :P
Yeah I don't trust your calls to meta. It bothers me more that you said this than the rest of your play this game.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:47 am Non-fiction dialogue:
Anyone who really believes I would prefer to whip this thread into a frenzy for appearances than just let it snail along with nothing but theme-inspired chatter has no clue about my mafia-aligned play. No clue.
More negativity, Kyle was emotional and reactive, so Speedchuck anecdotally points the finger at him again.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 amI don't have a meta read on Kylemii mafia. But I'm personally always more emotional and reactive as mafia. Check out Pirates. I don't see that as a factor.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:01 amMy scum read on Kyle is contingent on him being made genuinely uncomfortable bu Jay's fake scumtell on him. I can only see them as compatible partners if that was an elaborate distancing measure to kick off the game.
Jabbing at Kyle. Looking for more emotional reactions?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:17 amThat's not a point. That's like... a disclaimer or something.Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:14 amthe other stuff you've said basically amounts to sandbagging but this part is a valid point, I thinkJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:41 amBelieve me or don't, this entire dialogue is just WIFOM to people who aren't me.
Just looking at this from the perspective that Speedchuck is bad and JJJ and Epi are good... everything he says is a clever thing to say. The "0% chance" reinforces the forced dichotomy that JJJ's (emotional) statements suggest. The "two mislynches" becomes "speedchuck tried to warn us" later. Then "... best for town" throws doubt on JJJ, BUT he instantly tops it off with "NAI"... so, what, that last sentence that implies JJJ doesn't really want what's best for town should be disregarded?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 amSo you're saying there's practically ~0% chance you are both town? Cause if not, you've consigned us to two mislynches there. Which is more of a frustrated action than one that is seeking the best for town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:20 am I’m frankly fine with being mislynched if Epignosis gets hanged immediately thereafter. Sometimes that’s what it takes for anyone to critically assess that dude.
NAI, necessarily.
Spoiler: show
That takes some real focus, like he wanted to make this conclusion happen, and went about doing it. Go ahead and read the two paragraphs he conflated. I can't, in any honest fashion, make speedchuck's analysis work. It's two different players, two different gaming prersonalities, two different conversations, two different situations, and one is a SELF-analysis, which brings in so much extra baggage that the comparison becomes thin-ice-fragile immediately. And yet he opens the comparison with a levered- and shimmied-in sound bite that reflects none of that.
That's all I have for this night. I hoped I'd get farther through speedchuck's ISO, but the stuff I did look at just made me write so much. I never even got back to Mortal Kombat to catch up there. Good night. I'm placing a vote on speedchuck because he looks pretty bad right now.
- Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:03 am
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Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
OH my God BR has gone to bed, but I KNOW she'd be absolutely thrilled to see you bring Firefly up.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 am Nice night. no kill is good news and space daisy replacing back in is also good news.
Yesterday was kind of a cluster-fuck, but today is a new day. Let's try to do a little better this time. No one died and Space Daisy's replaced back in, so we can treat this like a second chance.
@Spacedaisy I'm sorry for my part in your original iteration's death I got cold feet about lynching Sloonei and changed my vote last minute, although I guess 2-3 other players did the same thing at the same time which is still pretty weird.
I'm not gonna crop your question out of that post cus it looks like a formatting nightmare, but the reason I singled you out for that question is cus at that time first-you hadn't commented on me or any of those shenanigans. You've always been really quick to recognize my civilian game since... idk... probably firefly? Your read on me would a potential avenue to me having a read on you, had you not died.
- Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:00 am
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I agree - I have made the difficult decision in both these games already, to allow myself to skip pages to be present for 'current' thread progression over catching up. It's not ideal, but I have to work with what time I have.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:38 am I thought Kyle looked bad in his early posts. I will make no apology for that. I could have been wrong. I might have been wrong. Having experienced frustration on par with what he exhibited, I'm feeling it's likely that I was wrong. But it looked to me on Day 0 like he was arguing against his own conscience. It was awful to make a case and get absolutely no critical response to it other than "you're bad." Even if I was 100% wrong, which absolutely might be the case and was always a possibility in mind, I just wanted to fucking talk about my suspect. I was never, on any planet, trying to bury or bully Kyle.
I appreciate your post, Daisy. You're wrong about me.
Also I told FZ "not to catch up" because I'm actively campaigning against catching up. It's in my signature and I talked about it at length after Vocaroo. Catching up when you're far behind in the thread is a waste of time.
- Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:05 am
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Excellent result! And the night went well too!
By that I mean welcome Spacedaisy.
By that I mean welcome Spacedaisy.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:15 pm
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I'm bad at remembering. Can you remind me what you were doing Day 1? Two games going on, hard for a guy like me to keep perfect track.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:34 pm
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Did you see Phenon Origins?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:24 pmWe won't believe that for a second.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:21 pmI wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):
You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.
What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:30 pm
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Despite boatloads of evidence to the contrary. I know.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:24 pmWe won't believe that for a second.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:21 pmI wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):
You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.
What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:21 pm
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I wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):
You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.
What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:58 pm
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I am here. Trying to stay caught up and stuff, just caught up this thread, almost dinner time, I'll be back this evening. Splitting time with Mortal Kombat catchup, I'm probably pages behind again since I went to work.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:08 pm Oh, and I've thought about how I've forgotten about LC every time I've been catching up, and now I did it again. So that's a thing. I usually have vibes and feels on LC, but not so much now, cause there's nothing much to say.
LC, why are you disappearing for me? Don't you know I not so secretly love you?
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:24 pm
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Just caught up to this post. Yes, because of that. I liked the metaphor he used for what he expected to see from Sloonei. His explanation seemed very real, not like something he just made up on the spot just because I pressed him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:55 amBased on this?
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:36 amIt's alright.
well to summarize it, I expect Sloonei to ride around on his bike throwing rocks in people's spokes. Always trying to get their wheels to skip, to see if their mafia baseball cards fall out of their pockets. Similar to how early Jay operates but with a different composure and also his name is blue. He puts out his tentacles and feels shit out, asks people probing questions, gets people involved when they aren't involved. That's how I see him at least.I would like to eventually know what those things are, because it would help me to believe this statement is real.
I haven't seen those things yet.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:08 am
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- Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:06 am
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Sorry, Daisy, but the way things were going, it was between three people that I had reasons to believe they were Civ.... and you, with your four posts, and slight sketchiness.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:57 am
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I was watching TV and keeping an eye on the time. My plan was to make you not get lynched if it were in my power. One minute before it was up, you and Daisy were tied. Then I voted for her at the same time one or two folks switched to Daisy as well.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:47 am
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That's why she's the bottom of the rainbow list I made.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:44 am Concern about Daisy: she projected a random vote, which given her circumstances would be understandable. She then backed away from that random vote and actually gave a reason for voting for Sloonei (contingent upon trusting Kyle), who at the time happened to be gaining his most heat of the game to that point. The timing is dubious.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
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- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:35 am
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- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:16 am
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That's a heavy accusation, why do you say that?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:09 amHe doesn't care about the roof.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:02 pm @ Epignosis
What is the strategic difference between lynching Sloonei and lynching me?
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:05 am
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Looks like you just posted the rainbow list to be a shit-disturber, and made up this collusion test after to try and give it more validity.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 amNo because I didn't find any.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 pmHas there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:31 pmI didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pmThat's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.
- Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 am
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I dunno. You could be bad as well.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:44 pm
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Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 pm
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Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:31 pmI didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pmThat's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:36 pm
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- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:35 pm
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This post is ugly to me. In a Mac is bad and knows Epi is good, kind of way.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:30 pm So is it genuinely in Epignosis's MO as Mafia to go after Jimmy on day 1 and put himself at risk like this?
He is now leading the votes. I don't like it. It looks like a potential mislynch to me. I am getting nam flashbacks to MK.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:34 pm
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no linki was given
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:33 pm
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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 pmThis is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:
Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.
However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.
We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:19 pm Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:36 pm Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:30 pm
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OK, I'll vote for Marmot, and we'll see if it's still there in an hour and a half.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:29 pm
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Cool, I'm not there yet. Is it going to be awesome?
Also, at the point I'm at, Mac and nutella are sparring about the copied rainbow list. So far, I have felt like it makes them both look more bad, so I guess it's worth a reread tomorrow.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 pm
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Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:32 pm
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Also, it's irksome to kill the most prolific player. Unless their post count is high due to frantic defense.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:26 pmNow you're just fishing for compliments.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pmWhy?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pmBecause you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?
Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.
And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:51 pm
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:30 pmFolks need to understand that "catching mafia" isn't the only thing to when a game begins. Some mild suspicions can emerge from a pile of bullshit (which my "tell" on Kyle absolutely was), but civilian reads can come of that too. Any game-relevant content can be judged for alignment. That mini rainbow I spat out was an immediate reception of how the maneuver was handled by people in the thread. Early in a game it's the latter I care about most. Making a confident mafia read on Day 1 is very difficult, but confident civilian reads come more easily. I value that a lot, and it can't happen if the content in the thread doesn't reflect people playing the game.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:24 pm At the same time, I was thinking about how 3J said something obviously absurd (at least it was obvious to me), and that if the plan was to figure out who is bad by generating content from saying something so obviously absurd (3J at least took credit for generating content), how genuine was 3J being? The fake tell maneuver was too over-the-top for me to believe that an honest 3J expected to catch mafia with it, and because of that, it looked too much like an act.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:48 pm
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- Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:23 pm
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...and that's terrible.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:22 pm
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Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:04 pmBut it's LC that drives me bananas.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 pmCould be. If so, it sheds a lot of new light on why that always sets LC off so much.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:57 pm
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- Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:50 pm
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There's obviously plenty of evidence to the contrary, Jim. It feels ridiculous to have to say it, but I can go back a decade to see hundreds of games where someone did something on Day 1 that 'started it up' in that way. Most of them didn't contain you. At least half the people in this game have been responsible for getting things going with some daring push or pushy dare.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:39 pmThis is where your perception of this game and my perception so differ.Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:33 pm the thread is bound to accelerate at some point even without Jay's interference so why wouldn't it be beneficial for jay to be the one to accelerate it? It's not about town credit or whatever it's about pragmatic choices and wearing the mask. It's about avoiding the inevitable "thread is quiet and jay hasn't thrown shit today, isn't that weird? maybe he's not as interested in finding mafia as usual for some reason"
Would the game have "accelerated" without my interference? Technically, yes, it'd have moved a bit faster than the nothing of the first 12 hours of Day 0. Would it have blown the hell up without my interference?
Nope.
Fuck nope.
Call me arrogant. Tell me I'm taking too much credit. Don't give a damn. It's what I believe and it's why I blew it up.
There are two games going with a lot of player overlap. This one was set to be a snail without some help. I helped.
So, is this really your honest opinion?
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:15 pm
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Epi says things that I really believe we both know to not be true, but he acts like it's the opposite. Recently, he used some backwards logic to try to convince everyone that I had slipped, and no amount of correct, linear breakdown of what was wrong with his backwards logic would get him to bat an eyelash about it. That's the Civ Epi I know, I can't remember what bad Epi is like in the early game. Does he plant instigation seeds? Can't recall.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:48 pm I swear that "omgus" is one of the silliest notions in Mafia, and we'd all be better off if it just disappeared. I mean seriously, whenever I am revealed to be town, please take that to heart folks.
No u is stupid.
Omgus is stupid.
No more.
That might be my campaign for 2018 alongside Sloonei's fight against ketchup.
Anyway, to answer your question LC, I don't care what is perceived to be "normal" for Epignosis. This kind of "that's Epi being Epi" shit is what he has thrived on as a bad guy since I joined this website and probably long before. He can do or say basically anything and people refuse to actually dig into it with any thoroughness -- it's infuriating. If I see something that I hate at face value, then that is going to define my read. You might understand where I stand better than most here because you have gotten into plenty of Day 1 combat with Epignosis. In the scenarios where you both ended up being town, can you describe in general terms the behavior you have felt is so suspicious that you ended up wrong about? Don't spend a lot of time on this since it's external meta; I'm just asking for a tip.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:41 pm
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Hey Diz. Kyle's clear for me at this point as well. I really enjoyed his post about his expectations for Sloonei.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:14 am So far, Kyle is very likely town. The rest is whatever. Except everyone are super cute and adorable. <3
Epignosis has shown more than once, his ability to use bizarro Epi-Logic for his cases early on. I know this intimately. You've been there before, why is this making you OMGUS so hard?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 am Epignosis is my final vote. The guy said it’s same shit different day, meaning he is well aware that my play in this game is ordinary for a civilian JJJ. His case is contngent upon that.
Just think that through, people.
It's really, really, really, really not.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:31 amThis is the biggest load of shit I've ever seen Epignosis dump into a Mafia thread.
- Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:10 am
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That's a dumbed-down version of what I was saying. I gave an example of a Civilian perspective to make my point more clear. I didn't tell him what he had to say, I told him what what he said felt like to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:01 pmThis section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."
I want to be clear that I didn't eat any poop. I had nothing to do with JJJ's supposed tell in my post.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 pmSo it was poop? And you think LC ate it?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:01 pmThis section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."
I ate it, but I puked it back up.
Looking back, that is true. It was unintentional - I like to cut down quotes to the part I'm responding to for easier reading, and I lost that relevant part and reacted to just my slice. Kyle said that it's 100% false before the part I analyzed.
It's not something I'm taking very seriously. Is Epi really going to pursue your lynches?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm Y'all please tell me about Epignosis's last post.
He rightly asserts that I shouldn't be assumed good because I make stuff happen. He then parlays that into "hang Jay and Sloonei", as though "doesn't make him good" is equivalent to "makes them bad".
No thanks. I won't be needing any of that today.
Badass.
I would like to eventually know what those things are, because it would help me to believe this statement is real.
- Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm
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Civvie BTSC is the most powerful thing... or at least Civvie-Civvie knowledge. Confirming Civs is one of the best things we can do to win the game.
This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."
- Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:49 am
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He is? What is there to discuss then, let's string him up!
- Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:46 am
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Those uncertain times times are harder than good times times. How does that metaphor work - is it because being a fiddler isn't stable employment?
- Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:45 am
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When the fiddler gets to the roof, does the game end? Who is the fiddler?