The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 7:19 pm
Longest of Cons is a target we should all be ready to slaughter

Well, good luck Civs, you bunch of Pricks. Since you're also good at Mafia I assume you'll win, get me my fucking win. Long Khan out.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:03 pm If LC is bad I intend to have a strong look at TH and Jack for their 'IDGAF' approach. I'm not sure why Dunya wants to join them. They absolutely do get lynched - something like Syndicate mafia is an example of where they derail the entire game when civ.

Give a fuck 2018.

How the fuck does that have anything to do with whether I'm bad or not golden? I'm not, by the way so are you going to look at them still?

Marmot Lunalee team? He's really pulling out all the stops to try to get me lynched.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:26 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:24 pm Long Con, did you ever foresee such a tragedy as this in any of your dealings with ORACLES? What cruel trick does fate play upon you now?
Never in a thousand arcs of Helios would I have foreseen this tragedy... Just kidding this plays out in most games I play LOL
I was recollecting a couple of baddie games from you: Downton Mafia, the recent Game of Champions. Just a side thought, you scumslipped in both of those games, and were lynched for it (along with other reasons). There's potential reason to believe that you slipped in this game too.

This is so incredibly ugly that I can scarcely believe you wrote it. It was 100% proven that there was no slip.

I remember thinking, I can't join Mac's plan, or else everyone will be on my ass about how I defended Colin and then voted for him, so I just ignored it and let other people interact with it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:24 pm Long Con, did you ever foresee such a tragedy as this in any of your dealings with ORACLES? What cruel trick does fate play upon you now?

Never in a thousand arcs of Helios would I have foreseen this tragedy... Just kidding this plays out in most games I play LOL

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:17 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the right thing to do.

Come on Marmot, it's really, really not.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:10 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:03 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:00 pm Are you really bothered about one vote, dunya?

(This isn’t judgey - genuine question)
I'm not really bothered. I am sincerely questioning why LC doesn't have his vote on lunalee if he claims his innocence. save yourself, don't live to regret it (like me in MK when I was mislynched).
That is an interesting observation. If I go out today, I sincerely hope you guys will follow through with the Long Con lynch tomorrow. The dude is sketchy.

It's kind of funny, I was thinking of coming in here and letting everyone in on my funny circumstance where I hope you get lynched and I hope you are Civ. Just because, if you are lynched, and you are bad, then that will just look really bad on me.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:51 pm I'd rather LC votes Luna if he's convinced of his innocence. You have a 50% chance to save yourself, man.

Let's not leave it a tie then.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:43 pm Lets just lynch dunya and when she shows up bad, that will look really good on me.
how about we not lynch the 1 person who is away and cant play properly yet, k? give me a damn chance.

Damn it, that's fair.

Lets just lynch dunya and when she shows up bad, that will look really good on me.

Twenty minutes later and nothin' ta say
Twenty minutes later and we're losing the day
Ninety minutes left I don't know how it's gonna go
Please don't lynch me and disrupt ma flow

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:13 pm @Long Con If you had complete control of the lynch, what 3 candidates would you consider?

Lunalee, dunya, Choutas

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:08 pm No, it's not an admission of guilt, it's that I defended Colin when he ended up bad.
Well then you didn't shit in your corn flakes, the corn flakes shat on you.

I clearly do not have enough experience to correctly wield this metaphor.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:12 pm Wade = way voice to text hey baby

Funny story, I was voice-to-texting this and BR came up behind me and surprised me as I pressed Submit... hence the "hey baby" tacked on at the end there.

Wade = way voice to text hey baby

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:11 pm LC whose direction would you be looking in after your lynch?

The same direction I'm looking in now, dick Wade ask me a question though. I think Dunya looks pretty bad and it's about time everyone came around to that view.

No, it's not an admission of guilt, it's that I defended Colin when he ended up bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:03 pm Did Colin shit in Long Con's cornflakes?

I don't feel like that's the right metaphor. I think I shit in my own cornflakes this time, bud.

Oh hi guys. Yes, I defended Colin. It was a mistake. I'm Civ. Anything else you need to know?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:50 am Despite me also sharing suspicion of her I wouldn't want to lynch Dunya this early unless the case was very good and we were devoid of better options because of the obvious 'she is a big town loss if mislynched'. Particularly in a game with this cast.

She has a lot of content to produce town or mafia. She won't get any harder to lynch unless she wins cred by helping us lynch her teammates. I say she is worthy of giving the benefit of the doubt more often than not. Last time she rolled scum she replaced out too. She doesn't worry me too badly as Mafia but losing her town skill does worry me. Her town skill is not a myth. It is legitimate and worthy of consideration.
Noted, but that's kind of a dangerous reason to keep a suspect alive.

Just going through Long Con's ISO, and found this from back then. Is dunya still on vacation?

Is Marmot on Team IDGAF?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:21 pm yo lc you gotta ttml or nah

LOL you linki'd me.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:55 am Theory of the game! Baddie team remaining:

dunya
speedchuck
Golden
Confused where your Dom/MP suspicion went.

It's waning.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:42 am You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

That's me treating you as a Civ. If you're bad, then keep going at it, I'm always a low-hanging fruit.
You're a low hanging fruit!?

Absolutely. Very easy to accuse and suspect. Always.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:06 pm You're going after Team IDGAF now?
You're on Choutas as well. Why?

Sloonei did some Colin-Choutas cross-referencing, and I thought Choutas came out of that looking like a likely teammate.

You're going after Team IDGAF now?

Hi Dom... ttyl, sorry.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:00 pm LC, I did a quick check.

The rest of the views in the oracle are very blatantly and clearly not Luna's views as at the point in time she would have had to write this. Go look for yourself.

Good thinking... I'm going out grocery shopping right now, but I'll try to remember to check out Luna's views later. Shouldn't take too long. I recall one view being her suspicion of me, and I would expect my name to show up. Actually, I think she has flip-flopped on me. Either way, A Luna Oracle would probably include my name.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:38 pm I'm seeing a lot of town-like LC today actually.

You know, my favourite thing about you is how well you can read me.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:04 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:58 pm I don't at this point see dunya as bad but I have previously noted she is also Lunalee compatible so if she is bad, at that point I'd feel very secure that Luna was between her and Colin's conduct.

A Luna vote is still very much on the cards for me.
When I realized that the Oracle was something written by a player, I thought Luna's comment after it might indicate that she is the Oracle role.
The rules very expressly prohibit any kind of role-hinting so now that you point it out I think the opposite is true.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:10 pm
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We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens
I can't believe my luck, guys. I was literally just town confirmed by an oracle.

That's not a claim or a hint though, that's an innocent comment. Or is it...?

This would not break any rules if she were indeed the Oracle.

... Choutas, I think your original idea was better, the "Go through Mac's stuff" thing. That last post was a little weak for my taste.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:58 pm I don't at this point see dunya as bad but I have previously noted she is also Lunalee compatible so if she is bad, at that point I'd feel very secure that Luna was between her and Colin's conduct.

A Luna vote is still very much on the cards for me.

When I realized that the Oracle was something written by a player, I thought Luna's comment after it might indicate that she is the Oracle role.

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:58 pm I'm the towniest townie in this city state I demand an issue of apology for those horrific votes.

I'm sorry, Choutas.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:45 pm I think golden just means that he wanted to see what I had to say about you. I may have time for a few more ISOs tonight or tomorrow morning.

I'm sure the LC-Colin ISO will be interesting. I remember I chose to defend him when a group was coming after him. I also questioned the Sloonei voters when Colin and you were the leading candidates, but I did also make a push for lynching you based on your hypothetical Indy choice to join the Persians. I'm hoping that part will end up looking good, and not damning. Also interested to see what Colin has said about me.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:40 pm Dammit Sloonei your birthday festivities turned up just before LC

I don't understand this

and I was looking forward to your thoughts there.

Of everything you have said so far, Colin’s approach to nova stands out the most to me.

It's funny, that's the impression I came away with, but when I went back to demonstrate why, I felt like it was a little lacking. Let's hear your thoughts.

I'm not as sold on Golden's innocence as some. Otherwise I have not much beef with it.

NOVA

Instead of quoting, the viewer can follow along by pressing Ctrl-F for "nova" and I'll reference by numerals.

The first 2 nova mentions are in the poll.

3: Colin pooh-poohs the nova vote, and justifies it by talking about sig for the rest of the post.

6: Actually nova's suspicion of Colin looks pretty good. Could be distancing, but on reread, it's pretty buslike if they're team,ates.

8: "Townish", noncommittal and

like you said.

Not as much here on nova as I thought. dunya is definitely a better choice, though I'm happy to stay on Choutas first.

DUNYA

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:28 pm dunya & colin
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:05 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.
But no one asked about wolbre yet.
what are you implying? why did you choose to call sig out on this but not Sloonei for his meta-comments on Choutas/Colin/Kites from RYM a post above yours?
An indirect mention of colin as part of a question for MP. Doesn't tell me much.

1.

"No intel, need more data" on Colin. She suspects me based on my Day 1 vote for Colin, but has nothing to say about Mr. IsCool himself. @dunya I'd like to know if your opinion of me has changed in light of Colin's flip.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:48 am I am semi caught up but stuck in meetings with managers all day. I have some thoughts I'll share before end of day I promise.

I have broken the Colin and Sloonei tie. I had day 1 concerns about Sloonei and his ColinIsCool vote. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it was early distancing masked as a pressure vote on day 1 after everyone questioned him about it.

I have more thoughts about Sloonei I'll share before eod. But for now, I have a bigger scum read on sloonei than Colin.

I have some questions for some Colin votes I'll ask later too.
It seems she suspects me over Colin on Day 2. I still have not seen dunya comment on Colin directly.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:15 pm also what was a game Colin played recently that i was in
Fire Emblem, he was mislynched, he was town.
Provides Colin's recent history. Still no comment on his play in this game.

2.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:26 pm Colin has three posts since Day 2 started and not 1very convincing. not 1 post addressing issues against him, not 1 post leading towards a better lynch. I remember town Colin in FE flipping shit when he was being wrongly accused. Not sure if I like this.
Alright here's something. Colin was well on his way to being lynched at this point, I think, or at least he and I were neck and neck.

3.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:31 pm @ColinIsCool - moving my vote to Colin. Sorry I couldn't have been here when the drama was happening, but I'm comfortable with Colin being lynched today.
Switches her vote to Colin shortly before the deadline. I was not here at the time so I don't know what exactly the poll looked like. And that's the end of it.

This was a surprisingly light load of content. It is perhaps understandable given that dunya has been traveling since the end of day 1 and colin was not a big topic of discussion at that point, but that does not necessarily make this a good look for dunya. There is nothing in here that makes a partnership impossible to imagine, but nothing to strongly indicate one either. I would like it if dunya could explain what her thoughts were on the Colin vs. Sloonei argument yesterday and why she initially voted for me and then changed it later on.

1. Mention of Colin with no read at all, grouped with a bunch of others in the same category. A predictable place for a teammate to put a teammate... no early defense, which looks bad later, and no bussing because it's too early for that.

2. Day 2, Colin was well under fire, and dunya comes in with a Colin criticism that's very heavy with Sloonei implications. "I wouldn't be surprised if it was early distancing masked as a pressure vote" sounds just like the way a baddie might set up a way to capitalize on a teammate's crash and burn. After, she had a vote on Colin, and a ready-made push on Sloonei.

Also, in that same post, dunya says "I have some questions for some Colin votes I'll ask later too." If your recap isn't missing a pretty important post, then she never did that. That could indicate that these "questions" would have been all for show, and not really to do her own detective work on Colin.

3. Late day vote for Colin when he was already going down.

Also, I've suspected dunya for days. I'd love a dunya vote.

I will also vote for Choutas then. [VOTE: Choutas] aubergine

I like a nova, dunya, or Choutas vote based on these recaps. Lunalee also looked like she might be a teammate, but I also have a Civ role in mind for her.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:57 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:50 am But LC's tone is what makes me think hes good.
I can tell.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:50 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:47 am Your playstyle is pretty much my favourite there is. That you reduce it to that is galling.
I have no idea why you'd say that. I don't even know what my playstyle is, so how is it your favourite? The only favourite thing I have ever felt my playstyle inspired was a favourite mislynch target, because I play it loose, I don't have an eidetic memory, I jump to conclusions based on very little, and I only truly engage when I'm talking about me. My playstyle sucks.
Just a minute ago you were certain your playstyle was unreadable and the same good or bad and this is just 'how you play', now you don't even know what it is (by the way, I think the latter take is more correct).

Your posts are fun to read, basically always. God knows mine aren't. I'd choose you to sign up and play with me every time.

That is very kind to say. I get the impression that hard work, skilled play, and experienced analysis are what the people value and love, and thus the heroes of the day are always Golden, Sloonei, JJJ, and others (I'll stop listing names early because the more people I leave out, the better). That kind of stuff makes it nearly impossible to lynch you guys. I'm easy to lynch; all I usually have are spur-of-the-moment pleas, shined up as nice as I can make them.

I don't think I contradicted myself: my playstyle is unreadable - and the same good or bad - because I don't even know what it is. Because I just play what I see and play what I think. I don't even know what I'm going to do next most of the time... something suspicious catches my eye and I'm, like, "Gotcha!" The truth probably is that I'm the worst one to discuss my own playstyle or meta... I'm the only one that can't see the colour of my own eyes. I'm in me, hard to see me from here.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:04 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:53 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:48 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:38 amI prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:42 am You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.
This is where we're at.

I said tone is NAI. That's playstyle.

LC wants this to be about playstyle. He has all along. I'm asking people to ignore playstyle and look at content. And that's what I'll continue to ask.
Don't put that all on me. Dom's been fist-pumping over comparisons to the GOC game where I was bad, so don't tell me that I'm the only one talking playstyle. And I don't think that playstyle and content are separate entities at all, so your attempt to put them in different boxes doesn't lead to a realistic assessment. You are literally telling us that you're ignoring half the story.
And I have said you would have completely fooled me in GoC and completely disagree with Dom that the two games 'look' alike. I'm not dom.

Actually putting them in separate boxes does lead to a realistic story. The more boxes the better. Imagine something like this:

I'm looking for the things that are different, not the things that are the same, depending on whether you're bad or good.

I'm not so analytical as to actually be able to split things up into those boxes, but I do look for people to 'look civ' on all points.

This is good. I feel like we're in uncharted territory here. Er...

I'd like to see a game where an Oracle-type role is listed in the Civs but is secretly bad... see how many people rely on the Oracle's wise words. Not saying that's happening here, I just think it would be a fun exercise.

Team IDGAF:

Turnip Head
Kylemii
Quin
JackofHearts

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:48 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:38 amI prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:42 am You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.
This is where we're at.

I said tone is NAI. That's playstyle.

LC wants this to be about playstyle. He has all along. I'm asking people to ignore playstyle and look at content. And that's what I'll continue to ask.

Don't put that all on me. Dom's been fist-pumping over comparisons to the GOC game where I was bad, so don't tell me that I'm the only one talking playstyle. And I don't think that playstyle and content are separate entities at all, so your attempt to put them in different boxes doesn't lead to a realistic assessment. You are literally telling us that you're ignoring half the story.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:47 am Your playstyle is pretty much my favourite there is. That you reduce it to that is galling.

I have no idea why you'd say that. I don't even know what my playstyle is, so how is it your favourite? The only favourite thing I have ever felt my playstyle inspired was a favourite mislynch target, because I play it loose, I don't have an eidetic memory, I jump to conclusions based on very little, and I only truly engage when I'm talking about me. My playstyle sucks.

You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

That's me treating you as a Civ. If you're bad, then keep going at it, I'm always a low-hanging fruit.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:28 am Well he sure started the narrative about my accuracy rate. I didn't. I read you better than I read others, but I'll never pretend I'm 100% on anyone.

His ass-talking was discrediting.

You need some discrediting. It would increase the chances of a Civ win. Accuracy is actually secondary.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:17 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:16 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:14 amWhat you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia.
I've read you as town correctly plenty of times. I've read you as indy. You know these things. That this is your narrative is incredibly false.
Don't tell me what I know. I don't remember what happened in past Mafia games.
Tell that to past Long Con:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:17 pmYou're wrong about me way more than you are right, and this one's just going to carve another notch in that pole.

Yeah, he was talking out of his ass. He didn't know that for sure by any stretch.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:20 am @Golden @Long Con Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

What, I get a shipping name with Golden after a few posts? Where's my Epi ship?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:15 am People should read Long Con's iso.

He doesn't like the Colin push, he's on Epi for a Sloonei vote, his interactions with sloonei are worth a close look generally actually.

He just dismisses the sig and epi suspicion with a wave of his hand and stays out of it.

And in particular his 'straw man' attack on MP reads very strongly like a Colin defence at this point.

Yeah, I was a big Colin defender. It's funny, when I knew he was going to be lynched, I was like... if he turns up Civ I'll look bad like I *knew* he was Civ, and if he's bad then I'll look bad like I was a teammate defending him. Why don't you do some of your famous research and find out how much I defend my teammates when bad.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:16 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:14 amWhat you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia.
I've read you as town correctly plenty of times. I've read you as indy. You know these things. That this is your narrative is incredibly false.

Don't tell me what I know. I don't remember what happened in past Mafia games.

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