The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:MP07, why does that happen? The Smiley got nullified into text in my quote. Forum fix!

Because it requires a space before and after the ":haha:" phrase.

And when quoting, the forum seems to delete the first space if it a smiley like that opens up the post, ruining the smiley.

Easy fix.

Long Con wrote: Laughter is the wine of life.

Still looking into the murder case.

my first post of the game.

thellama73 wrote:I guess I should be flattered that people always give me more credit for sneakiness than I deserve. I totally bought that you were Eddie, and I spent the whole game defending you. I was kind of shocked you were so convinced I was bad.

And I thought all along that you were doing some deep cover for your ratting on me to your team. How great.

Sophie wrote:So eloh is nice and you dont wanns kill her so you kill me? Im nice too!

No, YOU were coming after me in the thread like a vicious animal.

Indeed it was, Epig! And Llama kept disappearing for long periods, which made us worry about his alignment.

And yeah, BR just said "Didn't the Civvie roleblocker (Dom) die before that? How could you both be roleblocked?" It was Sophie's missed PM that saved her, not her being roleblocked. Still, an epic night of Sophie narrow-survival!

Epignosis wrote:Also, Mafia tried to Night kill me THREE times that game.

Sounds like my Civvie wins. Great game, Epig, nice checks and balances on the info-to-baddie-deception ratio. I'm looking forward to hosting Arkham Mafia with you!

So, Llama... on Night 3 (?) Elohcin was targeted by BR (Delores) and that made her 'have a threesome' in her Jessica Rabbit temp BTSC. Llama and I were her choices.

I had to roleclaim, so I chose Eddie Valiant, because I had just found out that Bass was a baddie due to his fingersplints vote, so I pretended that I tacked him and he targeted juliets, the NK victim. Solid, right? Llama claimed Marvin Acme, and his reveal of the secrets made a lot of sense with the character, who was dead all movie, as I recall, with his Will being the Macguffin to drive the plot.

Not too long after I told them about Bass, two things happened. First blindfaeth (a little) and Canucklehead (a LOT) came out after Bass, with some solid evidence that he was a baddie. Next, Bass pulled his little phony-slip against me.

What am I supposed to think? It seemed clear that Llama was a baddie, and had told his team that I am obviously the Judge, so they mobilized to take me out. I also heavily suspected Canuck as a teammate, because she was the vehicle that got it going. If the baddies KNEW that I had outed Bass, then a good move would be to send one of their own to take him down themselves, for supreme distancing. Most of the thread didn't understand how the baddies could know who I was, and I couldn't reveal it - even though it could easily seem to Elohcin that the baddies were framing Eddie Valiant, instead of The Judge.

Hilarious now that I explained to MP07 that there's things he could not know that would lead to Bass wanting to set me up... little did I know the truth. I think I must have confused MP a little with what I was saying, since he knew the actual truth: the baddies had roleblocked me Night 1, and there had been no vote-forcing, so they had me pegged as Judge Doom from the get-go.

Ironically, I actually chose to not use my power on Night 1 because of Eddie Valiant's tracking. I figured I didn't need to manipulate the lynch so early, so why risk getting tracked? Only during Day 2 did I think about my role more, and realize that it meant I could pinpoint the baddies and try to take them out at my leisure while killing Civs every other night. If the baddies had roleblocked ANYONE else that night, then they would have assumed that person was Judge Doom, and my game would have been drastically different.

I DID want revenge for Bass' setup move, and I was sure that Llama was to blame, so I did what I could to get him lynched. Sorry, sir! Now that you see my perspective on it, I'm sure you understand.

I sent in Elohcin for my kill on Night 4, because she was going to pull BR in next... I had told her that I tracked BR night 1 and she didn't target, but it was too much of a risk to let her BTSC with BR and find out I was lying. Eloh changed to fingersplints instead of BR, so I sent in Sophie's name later as an updated kill, but Zomba roleblocked me anyway. I REALLY didn't want to kill Elohcin though, because she was so nice, but I'm glad that it was my choice to not kill her rather than the roleblock doing it for me. Little did I know that splints was the real Eddie Valiant. I thought Splints just talked some sense into Eloh about me and Bass and lying, now I see that it was much more dire.

So wow... is this right?? Sophie tried to target me - to kill me as a baddie - on Night 4. She would have died as a result, but she was roleblocked, saving her life. The same night, I tried to kill HER, and I was roleblocked, saving her life! HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN??? That's, like, so awesome.

thellama73 wrote:LC who are you going to vote for. Would you consider Zombrella?

Oh yeah... Voting z. Thanks for the reminder.

Day 1 Lynch poll
Day 2 Lynch poll
Day 3 Lynch poll
Day 4 Lynch poll
Day 5 Lynch poll

Day 1: Llama votes for his teammate, Zombarella. Votes off the main stream to start establishing a pattern of being the only voter for someone.

Day 2: Llama is the only one to vote for Elohcin

Day 3: Llama is the only one to vote for Elohcin (poll was reset after his early vote, but it still counted)

Day 4: Llama is the only vote for Zombarella

Day 5: Llama votes off the main stretch again, for Zombarella

Llama is casting these votes because he's a baddie, and he doesn't want Judge Doom's effect to cause a disruption in his voting pattern.

He's voting Zombarella for distancing, because she is his teammate.

This will probably be my last living post, unless RK Maroon is alive and wants to save me.

Watch the voting patterns, people. They tell all. Lynch Rabbit too, that's just fine. Thanks for the giggles.

nijuukyugou wrote:Where is this magical colorizer? I want to play with it so

http://www.mikesteffler.com/Colourizer.html

rabbit8 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Personally, I like how LC is taking and addressing the accusations, and still baddie hunting to the end. Or possible end. Well done, sir. Well done.

I am curious about the bea suspicions - why exactly is her name being brought up on people's suspect lists? The only thing I can think of (and tend to see) is "I have no read of her." I know how that goes Can those that suspect her explain a little better?

fingersplints wrote: nijuu - I feel kinda bad about the last lynch. I'm still very convinced she is bad but I hate voting for someone without giving a chance to respond. FWIW you handled yourself very well given the circumstance

Why, thank you! I was rather irritated by the circumstances at the time, so I'm glad it didn't come off in my posts too much.

Where is this magical colorizer? I want to play with it so

Explain his sudden switch from Canuck and Bf to lama, Please?

Nah, forget it. I really wanted to take down the baddies for setting me up, but I'd almost rather see them beat you now. Unless of course you are a baddie, then I'm just a completely crappy piece of stupid and I will get no satisfaction from here on in at all.

rabbit8 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:^^So no real hunting until you where cornered. Like I said. At least you admit it by the posts of yourself you chose to highlight. You claim bullshit, I claim hiding on your part. Which since I think you're the judge, makes even more sense.

And I will ask any damn question I like, however I like. Lama huh, so again you are going with the person who has been brought up recently buy others. Never gets old with you. You just latch on to whoever others suspect. Nice. :P

What happened to Canuck and BF, Huh?

You insult me and you insult my playstyle.

Don't go the sympathy rout, please.
You know I respect your game.

You do not respect my game, and I'm not trying for any sympathy. What sympathy? Am I trying to get out of this lynch? Is that what you think I've been doing in my last few posts? If that's the case, then you not only don't respect my game, you have so little respect for my posts that you truly only see what you want to rather than reading them.

You are not required to respect my game, and you are perfectly free to insult me if you think it furthers your chances of winning and/or enjoying the game. I have been trying to catch baddies all game. Even if I were The Judge, I'd want to catch baddies just as much as if I were Civvie. If you really believe that my attempts to do so were so crappy that they can be categorized as not trying, then you need to reevaluate your so-called respect for my game, because my game clearly is not up to your standards of respectability.

rabbit8 wrote:^^So no real hunting until you where cornered. Like I said. At least you admit it by the posts of yourself you chose to highlight. You claim bullshit, I claim hiding on your part. Which since I think you're the judge, makes even more sense.

And I will ask any damn question I like, however I like. Lama huh, so again you are going with the person who has been brought up recently buy others. Never gets old with you. You just latch on to whoever others suspect. Nice. :P

What happened to Canuck and BF, Huh?

You insult me and you insult my playstyle.

rabbit8 wrote:Look at you trying to get out of this.

Canucklehead wrote:Turn your desperation straw-grasping against someone else, please.

I'm not sure what part of my last post gave you the impression that I was trying to avoid getting lynched. I'm trying to take down baddies.
You guys have much stronger opinions on Nijuu than I do, so I'll defer to your opinions on this one. That last part of my last post was just my perspective, and with my suspicion that Canuck is on Bass' baddie team, it gave me a more sympathetic view on Nijuu's situation. I wish that I had done that five-asterisk separator line between the rest of my post and the Nijuu paragraph, because it was a completely separate thought and it looks like I'm making the Nijuu part logically follow the rest.

rabbit8 wrote:This is the first time all game I have seen you hunt baddies. It's refreshing.

Long Con wrote:Rabbit has shown his true colours very early in this game. From what I recall about his playstyle, he tends to be more aggressive as a baddie. Throwing out accusations, trying to see what will stick. For example:

rabbit8 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Not a chance in the world, not without good reason. I have been waiting years to play with the evil bastard again.

If memory serves me, which it never does, that kind of post would make me very suspicious of you, for some reason. It used to be a sign of....something. I'm sure it will all come back in due time. Maybe another beer or ten.

This kind of suspicion-splashing with no attempt or intention of backing it up. It's a way of "planting seeds" that he can come back to later if need be. I've even seen this kind of behaviour as a distancing tactic from a teammate, and I don't think any further explanation of how that works is needed.

Between that comment, and the playful and unserious non-accusations he has tossed around, and the sudden "let's make something happen" aggression spike toward me... I have a feeling that we're seeing the baddie rabbit8 game.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I self-voted because I don't see anything suspicicious

Maybe I'll follow you on that vote. I've made it clear how I feel about this kind of thing in other games:

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:... you've named Marsh your biggest suspect. Can you explain your suspicion of him a bit?

Looking back over his posts, the self-vote gives me a bad feeling. Remember Jason Maher on LP? He always self-voted on Day One, and I realized it was giving him a pass, free from adding any real content whether bad or Civ, and making him not likely to be lynched Day One. I got tired of it, and pushed for his Day One lynch because of it. He was lynched, and was a baddie. And I was like "Yessss!" So, since then, the Day One self-vote always gets my eye. But that's not why I was suspecting MM, that's just something I thought of in the reread.

That's from the Film Director's game, a game I am currently still playing.

Metalmarsh was lynched as a baddie in that game.

MM is now my most likely vote.

Long Con wrote:Just trying to go through MP's posts to see what I can see.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rabbit, if it helps, Aces played Death Note almost exactly as he has now, and he helped lynch a civilian. He was NKed, so his alignment is unknown.

This is a good example of a statement that defends Aces in a sort of subtle way. It's not "I think he's not bad", but it does say "This is how Aces plays, and maybe it's not his baddie game."

Then he indicates that he doesn't want to vote for Aces or MM, but continues to prefer an MM lynch even as he went for BF. Not defending... but directing his attention elsewhere. Then he gives a suspect list that doesn't include Aces.

That's really all I can see for MP in a search of his posts.

Long Con wrote:Voting from work bathroom, I don't agree with people who think rabbit is being genuine. I think he's being overly dramatic in his posts in order to sway people. Also I trust MM, don't understand the votes for him.

Be back soon.

Long Con wrote:Ok, I chose Elohcin because she was the last poster (at the time I started writing this - 3:14pm EST). I have seen Elohcin's name come up a few times, but I'm a bit vague on the suspicion that crops up here and there around here. It's connected to juliets I think, and a vague suspicion around her. I'm going to go through her game and see what I can see.

Golden initially suspected Elohcin for her vote for Thurston the Porter, [urlhttp://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php ... 80#p121380]here[/url] is the post where he lays out the mild case based on the Day 0 poll. Here's Golden explaining his suspicion:

Golden wrote:I mean, like, I guess what I expect is people read the thread and think about what others are saying. I had publicly shed doubt on it being the porter. Aces voted before even posting once. Elo earlier said her instinct was the porter based on a first read but would hold her vote... then later on said 'i read the post again and i still think its the porter'. What about what everyone else is saying about the post? Just the post itself? To me just putting a vote on the thing that is already in the lead with no explanation just looks dodgy, it's the kind of thing you do to avoid heat or standing out. Baddie tactics generally, in other words.

Golden also suggests that Elo is a good target for the low-poster vote, and she counters with the idea of voting for low-contributors, which may be different from low-posters. She has no suspicions at that time.

5 hours later, she agrees with juliets' 'maybe-maybe not' suspicion of Llama for his early Zomb vote, and casts a vote for him on the grounds that he's suspicious for the Z vote. Looks to me like a pretty reasonable Day One vote. Golden presses her about the Day 0 vote again, which I think is a bit odd... and Elo's story seems to check out.

She says the "case" against juliets is silly, and those after her are most likely bad. Defends juliets, maybe defends Zomb from Aces links. Names Llama, MM, and Golden as her top 3 suspects. Reiterates that clinging to the juliets case is something that a baddie would do.

Elohcin wrote:by the way....we really need to understand the difference between defending someone and saying that another player's case against a player is silly.

Oops, sorry Elohcin, but when I was going through the posts, I called what you did "defending". You straight-up said you thought she's Civ, and you called the case against her "silly", and "something only baddies would do". I'd like to know what you call defending, if that's not it.

After a catchup, she selects the cases against myself and MP07 as the strongest, though she was reading one or the other of us as Civ. She's reading pretty Civvie to me.

She thinks rabbit is Civ. She thinks I could be bad. Then she casts doubt on Metalmarsh, saying his name maybe shouldn't be cleared just because of how the lynch went. And I agree with that notion, if the lynches are being affected by non-player forces of some sort. She ramps the MM suspicion by accusing his lack of contribution, jokey-posts, and self-vote. Votes MM. Golden gets lynched. MM gets Doomed.

Elo, why is Zomberella not Doom?

All in all, I don't really feel a lot of suspicion about Elohcin after this reread. I think Golden's case on her was not all that reasonable. Llama voted for Elohcin, I'd like to know why as well.

Long Con wrote:Sophie:

Voted for Aces in the last minute of the first day's vote. By the poll, there was no way that Aces was going to get the most votes. That's a primo place for a baddie teammate to put a vote on their buddy for some delectable distancing.

Sophie wrote:thatts amazing! bye aces, rih psycho

still reading the last few pages, what struck me as odd while i was side eyeing the thread earlier while i was in the in laws, what how after golden case on aces, votes on MM started to pile up fast. A lot of those votes seemed easy ones, they started coming fast, like when mafia tries to save a teammate, that made aces look bad, that and a kind of overeaction to golden post, one that golden pointed out in his case. will keeep reading, find myself agreeing with rabbit too, specially on juliets.

"Like when Mafia tries to save a teammate." Is that what happens on Day One when a baddie is in distress? The baddie teammates rally and all vote quickly on someone else?

Agrees with rabbit, about suspecting juliets... but I have been going through the thread and I didn't see a solid time when rabbit said he suspects juliets and why. There's a baby here, and some distractions, but I didn't see it. If it's there and I missed it, so be it. If it's not, then that pings me. What is she agreeing with about juliets?

I'll do more on the Sophie thing, but I have to go away from the computer right now, so I'll post this start and get back to it later.

Long Con wrote:Llama, are you saying it's suspicious that Elohcin said role-hinting isn't allowed when it's not actually a rule?

I also agree with Elohcin's assessment of Aces' play in games Zomba has played. It was Donner or Death Note where Aces came out with a big case and some dynamic play, and I was impressed considering I had the impression that he was almost always a so-quiet-is-he-really-playing kind of guy. That's the impression Zomb has of him, and so her "huge asset" comment doesn't ping me at all. Consequently, Elohcin's "apologizing" for Zomba's comment doesn't ping me either. And I also wouldn't call it apologizing, I would call it understanding.

Long Con wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Interesting how some people are defending LC more than he's defending himself

I'm following the thread. I'm more interested to see the reactions to Bass' setup than I am in trying to argue against it.

Zomberella12 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Interesting how some people are defending LC more than he's defending himself

Hey yeah! Elo, I really do think that Bass messed up for real. Mostly because of the way that LC responded without realizing that the post wasn't right. I think they were probably chatting and just messed up. If not, and Bass planned it (less likely option), then I'd think that Bass would name LC thinking that he was the judge for some reason. There is a small chance that LC is civ, but I think it's the best lead we have at this point. It's not perfect, but we really don't have anything that strong on anyone else.

So, I'm bad if Bass did slip up, and I'm bad if it's a setup. I can think of a more likely third option, Z. There isn't a "small chance" I'm Civ. I'm am Civ. And some people know that. You need to open your perspective to more possibilities, not just the ones where I'm a baddie.

Long Con wrote:I disagree that I haven't been trying in the thread, and I really don't see how it compares negatively to past games. You've played lots of games with me, MP, and I don't know what you expect. I mean, look at Film Directors. That's my Civ game, how does it compare to my playstyle now?

I've been looking back on Zomberella some more since her Judge accusation of me, and though I thought I had her down for a role, I think she has intentionally deceived. Look at this lynch.

Who's the baddie, Zomberella or Llama? Unless The Judge predicted that Bass would get ALL the votes, and stuck a baddie there with solid prescience.

Zomb is a baddie, and she's just trying to continue the setup that Bass started.

So yeah... you can stop misrepresenting my game now. I'm already getting lynched, and it has nothing to do with this bullshit accusation against me.

Who is devious enough to set you up like this?

Questions like this are ridiculous to me. Why don't you ask "Who do you think lacks the mental capacity to set you up like this?" 'Cause that's the implication that would be on the ones I exclude from the list you asked for. I think anyone is "devious enough", especially when there's three or four minds all working it out together. Don't ask me questions like that, I don't feel like stroking anyone's ego, or insulting anyone by exclusion. Do you understand what I mean?

With that out of the way, I do believe that Llama set me up. Not because he's high on my "deviousness list", but because I believe he set me up, or more accurately, he made the setup possible. Bass literally set me up, and that is quite clear, or will be after my lynch.

I believe bea is not a baddie. Her playstyle this game has been very consistent with her Civvie game as I recall it.

rabbit8 wrote:If LC was set up his last post is very interesting to me.

I was truly set up. I understand that, although some people believe that already, it will take my lynch for the rest to believe it. My lynch will reveal that I'm not Bass' teammate. It would be easier if you would just believe that now, rather than doubt that now and find out after my lynch. I say this because I can speak now, and I cannot after my death.

Please just read my posts with the understanding that I was set up. Worst case scenario, you lynch me and I'm lying and you can come back and see my lies, or something. But that's not going to happen.

Trust that I was set up, and give me an honest chance to try and take down those that I believe set me up. Not only would I appreciate it, but I think it will really help find the baddies, so that's Civvie advantage right there. And as I said, you'll know if I was lying soon enough, and it's easy enough to disregard every word I've said after that. But I'm not lying.

I don't know everything, maybe I don't know anything - as you said, there could be baddies emulating Civvie powers, or just baddies that have an array of powers to use. Maybe there's a baddie that can dead rolecheck, and use their powers once. If secret powers were in play, all my suspicions are harder to be sure of. It's just... going through events and how they went down, I come to certain conclusions that I can't shake. The timing of everything.

Why can't Nijuu just be RK Maroon, saving herself from the lynch? Or maybe RK Maroon is long dead, and Canuck is a baddie who used the power to save herself, and then to save Nijuu for more lynch chaos? More lynches that don't lynch baddies means more baddie kill opportunities. That's just a regular theory I have, unrelated to my own setup and suspicions surrounding that (beyond the suspicion that Canuck was involved with it). Everyone seems very sure of Nijuu's badness, to the point that you're just going to lynch her again. I'm not convinced, myself.

I think a teammate of Bass' came out against him because they knew that The Judge had exposed him through the fingersplints vote, as Canuck hypothesized. I think that it was a preemptive move, anticipating that Bass would be going down.

blindfaeth brought up Bass first, in a brief way, and then Canuck came in very strong, making a case, and then adding in the next post that he had a weird vote for Splints that could be caused by The Judge. I really don't know which one is involved, but they're high on my suspect list.

You baddies! How could you?? Not Elohcin! RIP Eloh, it breaks my heart that they did this.

rabbit8 wrote:Plus the fact the Judge kill will not go to the weasels makes me think we have to lynch LC. No reason to keep a NK around, it does not help civvies in the least. He's a good sport though.

Even if I were The Judge, I would use my kill to target a baddie. The baddies are the ones who set me up and secured my name as a lynch target. I absolutely have no affiliation with those guys, and I want to see them lose.

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote:...and if that IS how you guys are playing Mafia these days, then maybe it's time for me to throw logic out the window as well. *votes Elohcin*

I was surprised by your choice of tactic there. but alright

Hey Splintsy, lighten up! I'm just kidding around. There's not even a vote happening right now, sheesh! My execution date seems to be firmly set, so I think I deserve a bit a of leeway here.

you sounded mad. I've had a really bad day sorry I'll be back to more fun tomorrow

And then we can talk about some real plans for who to lynch together.

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote:...and if that IS how you guys are playing Mafia these days, then maybe it's time for me to throw logic out the window as well. *votes Elohcin*

I was surprised by your choice of tactic there. but alright

Hey Splintsy, lighten up! I'm just kidding around. There's not even a vote happening right now, sheesh! My execution date seems to be firmly set, so I think I deserve a bit a of leeway here.

...and if that IS how you guys are playing Mafia these days, then maybe it's time for me to throw logic out the window as well. *votes Elohcin*

How about Zomba is a baddie, and she's lying in order to get me lynched? The Bass slipup was starting to lose momentum, so she takes advantage of the non-kill by The Judge last night to make a bold claim. I have good reason to believe that the baddies know my role and this is why they're working so hard to get rid of me.

I think it's funny that, although the excellent point has been made that The Judge would likely be someone with definite opinions on who is bad (for obvious reasons), and yet the main REAL accusation I have seen against me is that I've been following other suspicions and have none of my own. Is this really how we want to play Mafia, shutting our eyes to the most likely possibility?

Also, I bet Elohcin got some corrupt info from a baddie, or something like that, making her doubt what she knows about me. Eloh, don't believe that foul anti-info!

You're making a huge mistake!!!

thellama73 wrote:Maybe next time you guys will listen to me and lynch Sophie. But I doubt it.

What are your views on Zomba and Canuck?

Maybe The Judge will take out a baddie tomorrow night - that would be mighty convenient!

Sure, why not? This movie sucked so much.



Please feel free to gain a deeper understanding of the level of suck from Mr Plinkett, here.

I went back and read through Canuck's case in greater detail, and I think that it's pretty solid as far as cases go. Plus, it's clear Nijuu is the lynch leader by far, so it's the only vote to make at this point.

Elohcin wrote:There are so many mechanics in the game BR and Zomba may have info into LC's identity. I, for one, believe Zomb.

And...LC, I truly have had fun with you this game even if I was duped. That would be pretty cool if it came down to the two of us

I don't believe Zomb, Eloh. I think there's more than one secret in the baddie roles, and that Zomba may be playing on that.

bea wrote:@ lc - I tried to ask before - who do you think is setting you up?

I'm still trying to work that out.

Canucklehead wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Oh, sophie....I was so gullable. SOOOO gullable. Please forgive me. Doesn't mean I still don't have my eye on you. But.....you are not on the top of my list. Niju today, LC tomorrow before he can kill me for learning the truth.

Elohcin, you're a sweet lady. Thanks for believing in me. I really did appreciate your support during Bass' genius setup move, and I don't feel like that support was mistaken, since it WAS a dirty setup. Even if I were The Judge, I would never kill you, unless you and I were the last two alive... you've been the one thing I could count on for a glimmer of hope.

Hey now! I've glimmered a little too, haven't I?

Yes, it's true. I didn't mean to neglect anyone who has been supportive. Eloh was my rock, though. Not anymore...

Elohcin wrote:Oh, sophie....I was so gullable. SOOOO gullable. Please forgive me. Doesn't mean I still don't have my eye on you. But.....you are not on the top of my list. Niju today, LC tomorrow before he can kill me for learning the truth.

Elohcin, you're a sweet lady. Thanks for believing in me. I really did appreciate your support during Bass' genius setup move, and I don't feel like that support was mistaken, since it WAS a dirty setup. Even if I were The Judge, I would never kill you, unless you and I were the last two alive... you've been the one thing I could count on for a glimmer of hope.

fingersplints wrote:how do you feel about Canucks case on nijuu? do you think there is merit there?

I skimmed it, to be honest. Right now I'm more focused on me, because it won't matter one way or another if Canuck is right or not if I'm dead. I haven't analysed the validity of Canuck's accusations yet, but I do trust that they come from an honest place.

Please give me some more time to answer that question.

fingersplints wrote:I thought you also had reason to believe that Zomba was a civvie

I did have reason to believe that. It's actually very similar to my reason for believing Llama. There were some doubts about Z though, and given her phony attack on me, and her weirdo vote ("OH, I accidentally clicked on MP... oopsie daisy!"), I'm pretty convinced she's bad now.

Canuck, you can believe it or not. Splints, you should just get through the day a little more, and be patient, and maybe you will come out with a better understanding of what I mean after some private meditation.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't believe I ever said you weren't trying, LC, I think you must be thinking of someone else. The only thoughts I had of you pre-Bassgate (I think we should call it this now) were that you were not seeming "overly civilian" and I had you in my ???? list roughly a cycle ago.

Fair enough, I may be mixing up the various vague accusations that my playstyle isn't "overly Civilian" or that I'm not "genuine". There's been a couple of accusations like that, each as impossible to defend against as the last, so I guess I grouped them together in my mind.

I'm doing my best to find baddies. I feel that I'm being held to an unfairly high standard of play, and that accusations like that could easily be levelled against half the players in the game. I can look back over my game and see several times when I've done analyses of players and given my opinion of their playstyle and whether I think they're Civvie or baddie. I want to understand what it is that I'm supposedly lacking, because I'm a Civ and I'm playing like I always do.

fingersplints wrote:have you given up on trying to convince me LC?

Well, you're allowed to read my posts even if they're responding to MP. You were leaning toward believing Zomba with her accusations. Since I have pretty solid reasons to believe Llama is a Civvie, that would make Z the baddie that The Judge manipulated. Which makes her accusation against me just a continuation of the Bass setup, a baddie ploy.

I disagree that I haven't been trying in the thread, and I really don't see how it compares negatively to past games. You've played lots of games with me, MP, and I don't know what you expect. I mean, look at Film Directors. That's my Civ game, how does it compare to my playstyle now?

I've been looking back on Zomberella some more since her Judge accusation of me, and though I thought I had her down for a role, I think she has intentionally deceived. Look at this lynch.

Who's the baddie, Zomberella or Llama? Unless The Judge predicted that Bass would get ALL the votes, and stuck a baddie there with solid prescience.

Zomb is a baddie, and she's just trying to continue the setup that Bass started.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC: Solid candidate for Toon Patrol, solid candidate for Judge (though I still don't understand why Zomba is acting like she KNOWS LC is Judge), practically no possibility for civilian (I suppose it's possible but I don't see it)

I understand why you have me as a solid Toon Patrol candidate, because of the Bass thing.

Why do you have me as a solid candidate for Judge? And why do you say there's practically no possibility for me to be Civ?

I don't know where either of those two statements are coming from. I can understand the Toon Patrol accusation, and I can argue against it, but it's frustrating to see you say the other two things, because I am a Civ.

fingersplints wrote:Yay no death

Zomba, I get what you are saying. I was starting to wonder if LC was actually the judge the last day period because of that weird comment. I still feel very strongly that LC is bad whether or not he is baddie or judge. He is not a civvie though.

What weird comment? If you're talking about the one where I said the Civs don't need me to win, well guess what: the Civs don't need you to win either. I explained what I meant, but you still want to go with your wrong interpretation? You need to figure out another track for your mind, because one isn't really enough to play a good game of Mafia. Why do you think I'm not Civvie?

Zomberella12 wrote:Zmb trd f ccms rzr, Zmb blvs n chs thry. Wzls r mssng p thrd 2 cnfs vryn.

Take your chaos theory and randomize it to someone else, Zombie Girl. You have missed something, because I'm pretty damn far from being The Judge. Don't take us down this path with your speculative theorizing.

It's so hard for me to get through any game without someone deciding that LC is such a sneaky baddie that we have to lynch him.

I love how I'm the Judge and also Bass' weasel teammate. I'm so bad, that I'm EVERY baddie. I'm very surprised to see you accusing me of this Zomberella. Are you SURE you have your information right?

rabbit8 wrote:

Long Con wrote:So, if I suspect someone who has had someone suspect them before in the game, I'm "riding everyone's coattails". That's a pretty dumb reason to suspect someone. I think it's telling how you have barely touched upon Bass setup of me, and you're going with an accusation that's basically meaningless even while a bunch of others think they have found a baddie from a stupid mistake. LOL, in a way, you're the one riding Bass' coattails on this one.

It's really hard to figure out which ones are the baddies, and which ones are actually just gullible Civvies, but the fact that you're staying as far away as you can from the "Bass' slip" theory is very telling. If it was your idea, then I'm impressed, it's fucking brilliant.

For the Civvies out there who want to be led the wrong way by some upset baddies ... I promise that if you lynch me, I'll do my best to make it clear who was most involved in the setup. I have some very good ideas about who it is. You don't need me in order to win, but at least you can use this to get a Civvie win. We have lots of time until the Day 5 lynch is over.

Give me a break. It's not a dumb reason. I've seen it dumb and used many times, buddy. I don't need to touch upon a Bass setup, I already think you're bad. The supposed set up only confirms my suspicions. If Zomba would open her eyes she would see it is you at the center of this big evil baddie badass play. You know it, I know it. And it looks like you're about to get away with it with your silver tongue.

Some upset baddies, nice way to paint me as bad there LC. Everyone knows when I post it comes off as mad. But I ever am. IT CLEAR YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THIS SETUP OF YOURSELF.

Now lets discuss tactics. One I've employed myself a time or two. The way to obvious to be a baddie tactic. The one you're trying to get away with here. The one I've pulled off on you a few times for the win in the past. Why you think you can get away with that?

Civvies don't you need you to win, you're right, because you're bad. I don't care you bamboozled in BTSC. Like you're the only person to get a civ to believe you're a civ when you're not. NUB.

You lost me somewhere in the middle there. Nice to see CAPITAL MAN is back in town though. Anyways, see you after the night is over, gotta go to work.

Canucklehead wrote:Sophie, I personally think you're civ, but I don't think jumping incredulously down the throats of anyone who suspects you is doing you or, more importantly, the civs any favours right now. The baddies are obviously attempting to sow chaos and dissension, and we need to stick together to prevent that. The way to do so is by watching, waiting, seeing what happens, and discussing ALL possibilities and being willing to change our minds to stick with the people we trust. Indignant outbursts don't help civ unity, especially when they're directed at people (eloh) who are very likely civs themselves.
This kind of reactionary in-fighting is exactly what the baddies are hoping happens, because it's the only way they'll survive. If we stick together and keep our heads on straight, we will eliminate them all, in time.

Sensible talk. I have to go to work soon, so I'll just say this now. There's a few people in this thread that I trust, namely Elohcin, Llama, Zomberella, Canuck, fingersplints, and MP. There's people I don't trust: Sophie and rabbit8. The rest, there's some I have a feeling about, but nothing too sure. Lynching me tomorrow would be a mistake.

Sophie wrote:

Long Con wrote:If Sophie is Civ, then she is the one the baddies are loving the most right now.

Are u guys loving me in your chatroom?
Thanks for keeping me alive!

This is a very good setup, and you are the wrongest person here.

If Sophie is Civ, then she is the one the baddies are loving the most right now.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Thank you Llama. That's very generous of you. I actually don't suspect you like I used to, given recent events. I hope we can move forward in the spirit of collaboration and friendship... if I don't get lynched, that is.

I hope you won't get so mad at me for defending you, like you did the last time.

Hey, I was right about you then! That was a classic one too.

Thank you Llama. That's very generous of you. I actually don't suspect you like I used to, given recent events. I hope we can move forward in the spirit of collaboration and friendship... if I don't get lynched, that is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why a baddie with zero votes would give up and implicate a random civilian who already has had some heat off and on anyway (though mostly from rabbit :P). I do understand why a baddie would do so to implicate Doom, but I don't understand how the baddie team would know who Doom is. Can anyone make sense of this? I recognize the conceptual counterpoints, mostly put forth by Elo, but I don't understand the motivation of the baddies to do this if it weren't either accidental or incredibly desperate.

Frankly, I am still going back to Occam's Razor here, and while I think we should consider every possibility, if I had to cast my vote now it would be for LC. I don't see the likelihood for him being a civilian to be strong at this point. That said, we still have plenty of time for discussion until Day 5's end.

You don't have the information necessary to understand what has happened.

blindfaeth wrote:I'll also note that there would have been no way for bass to guarantee LC would be there when he posted unless they were teammates.

I was the third-last post above Bass, I was obviously there. Why would you say this when you can just look at the thread and see how it went down? Unless you mean that, in the nine minutes between my post and his, he's supposed to be unable to figure out that I was there.

I'm not a baddie and I'm not Doom. Stop thinking the worst of me by default, I don't always get evil roles.

You don't need me, the Civvie role that I am, to win. The idea behind the statement was, "so be it, if you cannot be convinced that this is a setup, then at least this should reveal some baddies."

I'd better tell you now before I get accused of conveniently ditching the thread again: I have to go out right now, I'll be back in a bit.

My reaction to Bass' post was only confusion. I don't see how you can read it any other way. And leaving the thread for a couple of hours is not how I'd try to handle the situation. I went to make dinner for myself and my kids, and then played a little Modern Warfare afterwards, and then I came back to see this shitstorm happening.