The Syndicate

Golden wrote:Bea - best story ever

100% true. I didn't consider actually trying to ACT like the person I claimed to be at all.

bea wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
bea wrote:Omg. He does the WORST JJJ impersonation I've ever read.
I want to see this.
It sadly got cleared to make room for the next person, but he tried to tell me at first that he was JJJ and a netural that could win with any team and he just didn't want to die and was zeebs on my baddie team? And are there two teams? And if not Lorab and Zeeb who are my teamates.

Given I was a civ no one was my baddie teammate - so ya know. no.

I was drinking and cooking dinner at the time and came off a long shift of work so I was prolly WAY short with him. Poor soul. I treated him like he was one of my staff and I hit the end of my rope because I wasn't working so I was done answering puppy dog questions for the day.

Also - he was - his phrases and everything NOT JJJ.

So you know. I called him a liar. Cuz while I've not had bts with you, I can't imagine you being less than your full on self in bts too.

Then I thought maybe he was Matt because we have had so much bts together and he kinda sounded....oddly like Matt. So he coped to being Wigly. Which for a while I bought. (btw LC - diggz says I should blame you for my trust of Wigly for this. Just sayin...) Since Wigly is pretty much an enigma to me I did buy that. And told him his "info" was wrong and I was a civ. Keep in mind, I didn't know what game chatterbox was from or anything. I miss LOTS these days.

Then he FINALLY copped lying to me AGAIN. And that he was LC. And then I was all GOD DAMNIT LC!!!!

Then I finally believed he was a civ. Even though I still wouldn't tell him all my positions - just my prefered ones and why. And he was all you still don't trust me 100 percent do you? And I was all not till your role card is turned and it doesn't say "recruited" after it. You taught me not to. And then we had a cyan code where he would pull peeps into his bts and I would know what he thought about them and then everyone lynched him.

TH doesn't lie.

My bts with LC is HANDS DOWN one of my all time most favorite mafia moments. It was so fun and funny. And awesome. And we were going to be awesome civs together!! And it's fitting that this was one of my most favorite mafia moments of all time since he gave me my most favorite mafia role of all time. Cut sadly too short.

That reminds me - LC - since rebooting is a thing - what would you think about rebooting Sandman?

I think I would love that.

bea wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Boomslang tried to question curse you that night but bea redirected Mac's protection onto you (the Noses also tried to banish LC that night, good job bea!). So it was either a bullsuit gambit or Boom made some sort of faulty conclusion.
Yay!! I helped!!!!!

Solid Civvie plan, working solidly!! If it weren't for that pesky other Civvie ruining it in the worst way possible.

S~V~S wrote:He & I discussed it because there was a complaint of info dumping.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha thank you whoever complained for me, but Boomslang's sin was of a different nature.

Turnip Head wrote:Barry Allen - Flash
Every Night, Barry Allen chooses a character from a 2015 Job or Side Mission. If that character is included in this game, their role will be revealed on the front page.

You should have called this role 'Needle, of the Haystack'.

Hider - The Syndicate
Hides behind a player each night. If the player is civilian, no harm will come to the Hider. If he hides behind a baddie, he will die.

How did HamburgerBoy die?

S~V~S wrote:I think he thought he was really, really, really right about LC being bad and that he was never going to get anyone to believe him unless he false info claimed.

That is completely invalid since I was already under suspicion and had a couple of people voting me.

Turnip Head wrote:Boomslang tried to question curse you that night but bea redirected Mac's protection onto you (the Noses also tried to banish LC that night, good job bea!). So it was either a bullsuit gambit or Boom made some sort of faulty conclusion.

What is banishing? Are you going to reveal all roles and organize by teams?

Boomslang wrote:Long Con is bad, and you have to trust me on this. I've made some bad calls this game, but this one is different.

Boomslang wrote:Why would I make such an unprecedented move on LC? What could I have possibly learned between Day 5 and Day 6? You're all smart people, you can figure it out.

Boomslang wrote:
bea wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Dammit. I took an ambitious shot, using a technique I usually don't employ, based on reasons I thought were solid. Everything was there except the alignment of the guy who got lynched. I'm really sorry, LC.
what is this supposed to even mean?

"a technique I don't usually employ"? which one? "for reasons I thought were solid"? what reasons?

What was there?

You do know you are likely next up on the block right? Now is not the time to be vague.
"a technique I don't usually employ" - heavy infohinting/straight up "this dude is bad" statements
"reasons I thought were solid" - not publicly available information that I interpreted as evidence of baddieness/team interactions

Ok, hosts, it looks like Boomslang, one of the Civvies most responsible for our loss, isn't coming back anytime soon. I want answers - was all this entirely bullshit?

Lost to the Chatzy ages, I'm afraid!

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:LC Did you really have tricks in BTSC to clear people or was that horseshit.
Total horseshit. The only trick I had was to try and act like I already knew from my role that my chat friend was bad, and gauge the reaction.

Turnip Head wrote:The LC+bea chatroom was my favorite. Hilarious stuff. LC was trying new ways to trick his chat targets, and bea wasn't having any of it. Then they became best friends.
True story. I lied and lied until I couldn't squeeze any more information out of her (she clammed up in the presence of lies/withheld info), and then I told the truth and she believed me and told me all about her role and positions and we earnestly made plans together... I was very sad when bea redirected the wrong person that lylo night. Happy she survived, but I was REALLY hoping for an epic Civvie win at the hands of Ahriman.
Deja vu.

Yup!

My pleasure. Yes, I pulled the Epic Nose Guy forward for that team's "Winner" banners, and I also added a white overlay of some technical blueprints, to stress the "technicality" side of things. I don't know if that really came through in the small banner space.

Epic Nose is in the background for the Winner and Host ones, and Demon Llama goes to the background for "Winner". The Winner and Host banners have the lightning bolt for awesomeness, while the "Winner" does not. And Sidoh is there all the time because visual balance, and I like Metalmarsh.

Turnip Head wrote:BR's death upset me the most

Black Rock had the protective Pikmin, and was intending to use it that night, but she got too busy and was mere minutes too late sending it in. She REALLY should have survived that kill.

I also figured out Kubrick was bullshit. Eventually.

Then JJJ died and it didn't matter to me anymore.

DharmaHelper wrote:LC Did you really have tricks in BTSC to clear people or was that horseshit.

Total horseshit. The only trick I had was to try and act like I already knew from my role that my chat friend was bad, and gauge the reaction.

Turnip Head wrote:The LC+bea chatroom was my favorite. Hilarious stuff. LC was trying new ways to trick his chat targets, and bea wasn't having any of it. Then they became best friends.

True story. I lied and lied until I couldn't squeeze any more information out of her (she clammed up in the presence of lies/withheld info), and then I told the truth and she believed me and told me all about her role and positions and we earnestly made plans together... I was very sad when bea redirected the wrong person that lylo night. Happy she survived, but I was REALLY hoping for an epic Civvie win at the hands of Ahriman.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Honestly MM if I had considered it (I didn't think it was a possible scenario tbh), I would have clarified your win condition to be"at least two or ALL living players must have voted for you". I know you told me you don't think you deserve the win but I disagree. You were under fire most of the game and at one point with like 7 or 8 players left you had managed to get all of them to vote for you. And just like the original Sidoh you tried to help the civvies win, even though you had no reason to (and were ultimately unsuccessful). :P

You had a difficult win condition, you were ready to give up but you kept going and you gave it everything you had. The win is yours if you want it.
These are the best hosts ever! Handing out wins for technicalities and for spirit. If you're offering, I will graciously accept it.

I thought about PM'ing you with this exact question on Day 12, but decided I didn't want to know the answer, and just play for the civ win instead.

No, you're supposed to have a change of heart brought on by their generosity and say "I know someone who wants this more than me..." and hand it over to Sorsha. You have failed.

MacDougall wrote:Actually that reminds me, LC who was the other person you had BTSC with?

Just bea. I chose JJJ the night he was killed.

MacDougall wrote:Basically just be more responsible with your vote. I intentionally tried to play this one like a cautionary tale. The mafia meta here allowed me to skate through day after day actually being outwardly obviously bad because bad play is written off as bad, not mafia. As a civilian it can be hard to keep up with contributions but ultimately your biggest obvious influence is your vote and if you are thoughtful with it, as the game goes by it builds the pressure on the bad guys and makes them stand out more.

But for real, Boomslang buddy wtf.

I hope his fancy new GutBased Truth NegatorTM doesn't make it past this testing phase and into the open market.

In a Champions Game too!

I reckon Boomslang did the civs a favour though because LC was right in the hammer of being played by me, bless him. He'd already wasted two separate nights on giving me BTSC and had another one blocked. Had me first night and then I told him to get Wilgy in there...

I figured, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The fact that you tried to save my life during the Boomslang debacle lynch is a testament to that. If I had outlived either you or Wilgy, then it would not have looked good for you, and as you said, you mentioned Matt as well.

He chose bea of his own accord out of fear that I kept telling him to invite my teammies (I actually had just told him to invite Matt hahaha) which in hindsight was probably not the wisest choice because bea, bless her she's such a trusting lady he probably should have invited someone a bit more discerning to analyse the situation.

I was glad to have bea. She was my favourite BTSC.

You saw how much me and Wilgy simply HAVING btsc with LC convinced bea we were good, btsc is a strange beast because you just can't help but trust who you're talking to. I did the same thing in AWR with Hamburger Boy (who fuck me is an outrageously good player). If he invited a couple more civs before dying Wilgy and myself might have found ourself part of a civvie voting bloc hahaha.

I didn't tell bea that you guys were Civvies, you did that by being the in-thread cheerleader for the Save LC BTSC Squad. It was very convincing!

But we talked about watching out for telltale signs of lies, like Wilgy not saving me if I got lynched.

DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:I was slapping my forehead every time (and it was often) that FZ brought up how I defended Mac, Wilgy, and bea, and how could they ALL have been baddies tricking me?? The fact is, I never defended any of them, I didn't mention them at all, really. The idea that I defended them all as Civs was fabricated, probably by those players, and nurtured through the trust that they showed each other because of it.
Lol, I enjoyed twisting your words to achieve that affect with Bea and FZ.

FZ. It's not your fault and I think you played exceptionally! I'm sorry I aggrivated you with my play though. I really was busy during the game, I just was able to take some time off work towards my demise.

How much of Matt's endgame would you say was influenced by you?

I was slapping my forehead every time (and it was often) that FZ brought up how I defended Mac, Wilgy, and bea, and how could they ALL have been baddies tricking me?? The fact is, I never defended any of them, I didn't mention them at all, really. The idea that I defended them all as Civs was fabricated, probably by those players, and nurtured through the trust that they showed each other because of it.

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I officially can't read Long Con or Dom, let it be known.
We knew that.

Why should you have survived, Mr Technicality?

I told you guys there was likely a Trickster.

Ricochet wrote:
Long Con wrote:
OMFG you receive one shot to post a post-death message to the thread and you choose to use a Simpsons meme? WHYYY EL SEE WHYYY? NOOOOOOOOOOO-

Nah, it's in dead tags.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
bea wrote:IDK - marshy does Death Note count?

prolly not cuz I wasn't hip to you being bad there till I was dead.

And this. It's hard - really hard. To defend against the way the LC lynch went down. Esepcially in light of how drac flipped.

and THE MATHS are what I suck at mac. So yea....
I don't think I even came close in that game. Everybody knew I was bad so we had no reason to talk about.

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!
Everybody needs a set of coral floral drawers.

Reminds me of this, in a way that only a true Simpsons fan will understand:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!

S~V~S wrote:Boomslang was:
Frans - Guess Who?~CIVVIE
Each Night, choose someone who may only ask yes or no questions the next Day

Fuck you, Boomslang.

Ricochet wrote:The way LC crafted his defense, he would have said the same even if Boomslang came with a Papryco like wall-o-text as to why LC must be lynched. Com'on.

Just like I did when FZ and Metalmarsh suspected me earlier?

I have to go out soon for a couple of hours. Moving my vote to Draconus for now.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:That's why I'm asking if there's a chance someone can tell him exactly what to say.
There is literally a chance that anything could happen. Are you really looking for someone to tell you "No, I know these hosts, there's absolutely no chance that Boomslang could be cursed to say an exact thing in the thread"? There's a chance that everyone is bad but you, or that there's just one baddie left, or that ten of the living players are Indy. But not likely.

I don't think it's likely that someone gave Boomslang his lines for today, that doesn't sound like something real to me. DH, if Boomslang was forced to make a case today against me, he could very well make it blatantly weird in order to try and overcome the baddies' plan with something easy-to-disbelieve.

I don't know. What I do know is that I am not a baddie, so his claim is either a lie, a curse, or (unlikely) false info.
Yeah thats exactly what I mean. If he was forced he could have made a shit case. But "Hey trust me lynch Long Con" isn't a shit case, it's infodumping, which in the culture of the Syndicate will 100% guarantee you get lynched.

What Boom said is really unusual whether he's right or wrong about me. Extra-unusual to me because he's wrong.

Ricochet wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why would you, if you're bad?
The reason I don't trust you has nothing to do with my alignment, and also, that's a vapid question.

If the baddies have cursed Boomslang with the imperative to come after me, then they want it to result in one or both of our deaths. Having some consideration that he was cursed might make those plans not happen... and you are doing your best to ignore that possibility and push the lynch to one of us or the other.
You are wicked with words, I'll give you that.

It's my only real Mafia playing skill.

FZ. wrote:That's why I'm asking if there's a chance someone can tell him exactly what to say.

There is literally a chance that anything could happen. Are you really looking for someone to tell you "No, I know these hosts, there's absolutely no chance that Boomslang could be cursed to say an exact thing in the thread"? There's a chance that everyone is bad but you, or that there's just one baddie left, or that ten of the living players are Indy. But not likely.

I don't think it's likely that someone gave Boomslang his lines for today, that doesn't sound like something real to me. DH, if Boomslang was forced to make a case today against me, he could very well make it blatantly weird in order to try and overcome the baddies' plan with something easy-to-disbelieve.

I don't know. What I do know is that I am not a baddie, so his claim is either a lie, a curse, or (unlikely) false info.

Ricochet wrote:Why would you, if you're bad?

The reason I don't trust you has nothing to do with my alignment, and also, that's a vapid question.

If the baddies have cursed Boomslang with the imperative to come after me, then they want it to result in one or both of our deaths. Having some consideration that he was cursed might make those plans not happen... and you are doing your best to ignore that possibility and push the lynch to one of us or the other.

Ricochet wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
Yikes. Hope you had backups.

...I should make backups.

Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
Why would it be better if they NK you?
Because we could actually lynch a baddie today instead... and the nightkill won't go to another Civ.
I don't think you'll be NKd any time soon, if your status creates such doubt amongst us, leading nowhere in lynches.

That's why the time is right NOW. Boomslang or LC. Which is made of bullsuit?

Man, I'm sorry, I don't trust you at all.

FZ. wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me
Yikes. Hope you had backups.

...I should make backups.

Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.
Why would it be better if they NK you?

Because we could actually lynch a baddie today instead... and the nightkill won't go to another Civ.

Ricochet wrote:OMFG my hard drive completely died on me RIP me

Yikes. Hope you had backups.

...I should make backups.

Anyhoo, I'm not bad, and you shouldn't be voting me. Let them nightkill me instead, at least.

FZ. wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I've cleared this with the hosts I have reason to believe that DharmaHelper is a civ.
Wow, even you are not sure about yourself? I'd say that's enough reason to vote for you

Yeah, I think so too.

It surprised me very much to see JJJ nightkilled. One would think the baddies would leave him alone as one of the biggest suspicions in the thread. Maybe they thought interest in lynching him was waning, and they wanted to get rid of his analysis of the thread.

Maybe he had some suspicions that the baddies wanted to shut up.

I will make him keep posting.

*focuses mental energy*

*grabs control of Boomslang's will*

Boomslang wrote:Why would I make such an unprecedented move on LC? What could I have possibly learned between Day 5 and Day 6? You're all smart people, you can figure it out.

Yeah, this. Has anyone figured it out and shown that they are smart? Is Boomslang roleclaiming an info role?

I could posit that he's a Civ with an info role that has gotten bad info, but why would an info-getting Civ just blurt and out themselves like that? He didn't even try to make a case on me and indicate agreement with others who suspect me.

Ricochet wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Taking a glance at the poll I don't like it at all, Long Con should not have any votes IMO. He's not inexperienced enough to Night Kill JJJ after going through so much effort to try and get him lynched.
I feel like I should get some leeway for being an HBoy Trusted Player after a few nights of him surviving.
Well then, you have to lynch Boom as a bullsuiter. If he doesnt flip bullsuiter, you are toast.

Case closed. Place votes, everyone. Boom or LC.

Objection!

Matt's idea that Boomslang is being forced to do this is the most believable one to me.

juliets and FZ.: I don't know why a baddie Boomslang would come out like that, because I am a Civvie. He's given a vague reason that we should be able to figure it out due to something about the last day, I think?

You guys don't mind that I'm keeping an eye on you, do you?

MM: Plus a convenient alignment claim... you know?

My suspects:
Draconus
FZ.
Boomslang
Dom
DharmaHelper
Metalmarsh

Some old, some new. DH, I do have a bit of a bad feeling from your support out there, I'm sorry to say. Metalmarsh, a bit of a gut feel.

DharmaHelper wrote:Taking a glance at the poll I don't like it at all, Long Con should not have any votes IMO. He's not inexperienced enough to Night Kill JJJ after going through so much effort to try and get him lynched.

I feel like I should get some leeway for being an HBoy Trusted Player after a few nights of him surviving.

FZ. wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:I already explained that based on something i knew regarding their vote (value), I thought maybe I was wrong all along, which is what I wanted to share.
Can you elaborate more on this? JJJ's vote value? What do you know?
I'm waiting for an approval from the hosts to discuss this.

As for your two team theory, so you think the other team killed jjj? So am I on zebra's team, or is that the other team? This is reaching

Thinking there are two baddie teams is reaching? I don't think it's reaching.

I haven't thought about which team killed JJJ, or which dead baddies might be your teammates if you are bad. All I said was that I don't think you killed JJJ after the "moment of doubt" post you made, so if you are bad, then there are two baddie teams.

Why did you vote Mac last day? Sorry, I didn't catxh up on that part

I voted Mac to go along with making a tie for fun after I decided to lay off JJJ. It wasn't because I suspected him, it was just for spice. As I often am, I was at work for the last couple of hours of the lynch, and I didn't bother to switch it (during a sly duck into a bathroom to check on things) because I saw that Tranq was getting lynched whether I switched or not.

(First line above was to juliets about motel room)

I haven't taken a look at him, but I agree that it's hard to vote for a more inactive player when there are very likely active baddies posting all around us. He could be bad, it's impossible to tell.

Dom, it's really easy to see you as a baddie, in this light: You have played a careful game, but people are getting a gut feel that you are bad. You believe that there is nothing solid to incriminate you on, BECAUSE you have played a very tight game. Maybe too tight, maybe too careful, maybe that's what people are picking up on. What I'm getting at is that my main memory of your posts is about you insisting that there's no case to be made against you. It's realistic to me, in a general way and having played with you for years, that a baddie Dom would focus on "If you can't find solid evidence I'm bad, then your negative opinion of me has no merit", which is an angle that you have been pushing hard.

I believe you would react this way as a baddie who believes he has played a very tight game, just as planned. I feel it moreso as Dom-baddie than Dom-Civvie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but have you even been first, second, or even third lynch candidate on any day?

FZ. wrote:Saying what i did, and then going and killing him right after would have been stupid, but whatever.

Absolutely. It lends credence to the idea that there are two separate teams.

FZ. wrote:I already explained that based on something i knew regarding their vote (value), I thought maybe I was wrong all along, which is what I wanted to share.

Can you elaborate more on this? JJJ's vote value? What do you know?

S~V~S wrote:I don't even know what happened in the night post yet.

It's not pretty. I'm sorry I tried to lynch one of your precious pets. I wish I could have seen some enhancement in action!

By the way - did anyone get enhanced by him that they know of? Just curious, don't tell us your power or anything.

FZ. wrote:I guess I consider both you and LC to be intelligent players and I can't figure out why you didn't see in JJJ what I saw, and now are viewing me as bad as well.

FZ. wrote:JJJ, why did you vote Lorab on day 3.0 and then changed it to DH on day 3.5? What ever happened to your suspicion of DH? You haven't even talked about it last day.

LC, I'm starting to think there's a chance I've been fooled all along.

This is it. This is when I really believed you were bad, for the record. I was just starting to come around on JJJ. I eased up on his lynch for the first time, and started to look at the way that the timing and unlikelihood of the Kubrick role reveal seemed intentional. Then you, FZ, came in with some mild doubt, a direct message to me to make me go for his lynch again, and a dramatic sigh.

To say something like your first quote here... but when I did start coming around on him, it wasn't "finally LC you are getting it", it was "LC, maybe you're right, stay the course!"

*votes FZ.*

Perhaps he thinks it's impossible to have a Civ read on someone with your playstyle.

Matt wrote:Mac - lol at your quote, I forgot about that. I don't necessarily think he thought I was bad, though. Or maybe because I thought he was civ, I thought that he thought I was civ? Derp.

Also, Capt Olimar received clues as to where the Pikmin were hidden. Wasn't Black Rock that role?

LC - Tbh, I was kind of defending Boomslang, not you. It just seemed really weird when he said that, voted, and dipped. Didn't seem natural.

There could still be Pikmin out there to find, I suppose. I didn't think you were defending me, I understood that it was Boomslang you were favourably comparing to other games.

Matt wrote:RIP 3J.

Mac - Wow. "In honor of Jimmy", you vote for me? I had nothing to do with 3J's death, and I'd like to know why you think I did. Also, I just realized you disappeared the other night when we were having a back and forth about Lorab, and then LC came to your defense.

LC/Mac - Where do you stand on one another? I realize Dom just asked LC the same question and LC "answered"...LC, do you think Mac is good, bad, or indy? At first, I felt Mac was just being his jokey self, but it's been non stop this game. All about ties, he's literally not even trying to find baddies. Not at all like the Mac I saw in Dune or Star Wars.

I can only assume he was Civ in those games? I'm not prepared to pull the trigger on a Mac lynch at this point. I don't know his alignment.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Long Con is bad, and you have to trust me on this. I've made some bad calls this game, but this one is different.
Long Con isn't bad, and you have to trust me on this. I've made some bad calls this game, but this one is different as well.
But what's Boomslang's angle here?
Boomslang's post and fly by vote is not anything I saw him try as a baddie partner in Pet Sounds. Honestly, I feel like he was cursed to say that, and then dip. Just what I'm thinkin' though, if he comes back and posts, then derp.

I think we'll have to wait for more from Boomslang on this. His statement has certainly shown a couple of LC-supporters out there already. I didn't feel like I needed anyone to stick their neck out for me yet. I don't think I'm getting lynched today.

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