The Syndicate

*Hands Devin a copy of Handbook for the Recently Deceased*

This thing reads like stereo instructions but maybe it'll help you.

DrWilgy wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I'm just going to ask everyone: If you don't think I'm bad please do not throw your vote away where it's not going to matter.

I'd prefer you to look over the points made against Devin and vote for either he or I, whichever you find worse. I know my play this game has sucked big time, especially early on with my defense of LC but I am a civvie.
Done

Epignosis wrote:Voted Devin the Omniscient to save Sorsha's inaccurate ass.

Thanks for your efforts guys. And others who believed me

I'm just going to ask everyone: If you don't think I'm bad please do not throw your vote away where it's not going to matter.

I'd prefer you to look over the points made against Devin and vote for either he or I, whichever you find worse. I know my play this game has sucked big time, especially early on with my defense of LC but I am a civvie.

sig wrote:Getting accused by Epignosis can certainly be a death knell.
I will most likely be voting for Devin today but I'm starting to think a Choutus lynch might be good. This is mainly based around his comments about the SK. I also would like to hear some more from Diiny he has gone off the radar completely.

Do you think I'm bad?

Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:What'd I say? Being accused by Epi is a death knell.
You keep saying this. Is it proving to be true here?

Sorsha wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:What'd I say? Being accused by Epi is a death knell. Rico's leading in votes and I'm tied for second. He's playing you guys.

I had even less time than I hoped today, and I hoped for relatively little. Voting Sorsha based on previous pings, the way yesterday went down vote-wise, and because she has enough votes that it could actually matter.
I agree that we're probably getting played by epi but there aren't enough votes there for me to vote that way today.
Played? In what sense? Is this it?

Sorsha wrote:Epi has been on my sus list this game because he's been treating me different from in past games as well. It seems like he nearly always thinks I'm bad and goes after me. This game would give him a perfect shot at that and he's not taking it. I know a lot of players have him down as civ but I would not be shocked at all if he's actually the serial killer.
If so, I want evidence of this, because I am almost certain that, in the times we have played together, I rarely ever went after you.

Look at the last two games we played. Gentlemen's guide you were after me on day one which led to it being me vs you and led to your lynch (we were both civs there) and in recruitment you tried calling me a liar for saying I was unrecruited (and I wasn't recruited at that point) a day or two later you attempted to nk me, by that time I was recruited and was a civ. (luckily I was a dragon that night and you ended up getting yourself killed)

Black Rock wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

I decided to link to this post instead of quoting it since it's so damn long. I think a lot of thought has gone into this post. Two people that stand out to me is Epignosis and Russ.

I'm not used to Epi have a positive look at LC. He often thinks LC is bad and leaves him alone as neutral. With all the crap that was going on with LC I'm surprised he didn't jump on the lynch train himself. He has gone after him for less.

Russ didn't seem to want to make up his mind. Now I would have to go back and read Russ to make up my mind on him as well but if I recall his was a last minute vote changer as well.

After reading this particular post I have no suspicion of Sorsha. Sorsha and LC have been playing together for eons and they respect each other. LC has been really bad at reading her, she is a hard player to read. I believe that to be an honest assessment.
Sorsha
votes LC... for CEO spot (good leadership)
D1 implies she read something into LC's bait tactic, but later questions his choice for bea; finds his replies unrealistic
doesn't find LC to have backpedalled
===
> agreed with b24 on BWT's case, voted BWT
Just a copy and paste I didn't keep the fancy colouring.

This is not a new tactic LC has used and he often does try it as a civvie, not surprised she believed him. Hell I would have.

Anyways, I'm not voting for Sorsha today. I'd be surprised if she was bad.

Epi has been on my sus list this game because he's been treating me different from in past games as well. It seems like he nearly always thinks I'm bad and goes after me. This game would give him a perfect shot at that and he's not taking it. I know a lot of players have him down as civ but I would not be shocked at all if he's actually the serial killer.

Golden wrote: Whatchu details bout willis?

Check it out, you'll keep my vote until end of tillage.

MacDougall wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I don't even understand what you're trying to say in the first paragraph there. I don't think all the people voting for me to be lynched yesterday were bad. In fact I'd say most of them weren't. The scum know I'm not one of them so while one or maybe two might jump on a bandwagon I think most would place their votes elsewhere, knowing I'd come back civ.

I can't think of a time we have openly lynched someone we thought was civ just to get better reads on other players. Which is really what I think you're doing.
No, I don't think you are a townie. I don't know what your alignment is. I have no BTSC with you and I haven't been given the roles so I am at best guessing just like everyone else in regards to everybody's roles. I'm saying we lynch you because through your play up until now, and I cased you yesterday if you recall and was close to voting you over golden until he all but begged town to lynch him for the promise of a scum flip, you are more likely scum right now than anyone else in my opinion.

I just happened to also point out that should you turn out civ (and I'm not the kind of townie who assumes I'm a telepath, so I am open to the possibility :P) that there is some to be gained from your flip. More so than anyone else flipping civ in fact. Your interactions, the votes on you, the days and days of suspicion you've gathered. It's about the best possible breadcrumb trail that any flipped civ would have.

It also bears pointing out that I was one of your top two town reads. I think it's quite strange that you would look at one single isolated post that is really inconsequential to anyone with the capacity to understand the benefit of sacrifice for gain, and let it erase your days of built up trust. It makes all your casing and all your reads up until now seem very non genuine.

I've not outright tried to lynch anyone who I knew to be a townie before either. But I have pushed for lynching scum candidates over others before when the potential of their town flip has been putting the town in a better situation. This is the same situation. Have you genuinely never factored into a lynch the benefit to the town of the potential of the lynch being a civ flip? Because that's good strategy sorsha.

I note that I'm pretty sure that's the first time bcornett has made mention of me, and I happened to be a full fledged scum read. Interesting. I note that you've been flying nicely under the radar since nearly getting lynched on day 1. Talk more.

If I feel more pressured I can point out half a dozen other things that make it impossible for me to be scum, but for now suffice to say I think you're just overreacting to your possible lynch and jumping at shadows.

I just don't think this is working out between us anymore

Golden wrote:MacDougall griveous went from greeniest infliction decompound decompound braaiiiinssss... to a officialism suspect sliky anaemia single post.

I'm not as good as LoRab and others are at deciphering the insanifier but I think Gloden is saying Mac just went from the greenest civ to an official suspect in one post.

Golden wrote:enjoy would scum be scared Typhoony lynching premonstration? Especially resurrect epacme concluding all wrong Shouter who scum were. amour track might have thought it could actually benefit them and discredit me?

This one I have no idea.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say in the first paragraph there. I don't think all the people voting for me to be lynched yesterday were bad. In fact I'd say most of them weren't. The scum know I'm not one of them so while one or maybe two might jump on a bandwagon I think most would place their votes elsewhere, knowing I'd come back civ.

I can't think of a time we have openly lynched someone we thought was civ just to get better reads on other players. Which is really what I think you're doing.

....also changed my vote from bullz to Devin

bcornett24 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Sorsha's play being scum is well documented, you only have to look at her recent posts to get a sense of posting nervously as scum playing poorly with a lynch on them tend to do.

DrWilgy... Are you tunneling me because I said you were scum in that Jimmy's game? Oh my God, u suck brah.
Explain how me flipping civ is going to help anything?
How does flipping town help? What will it reveal?

That's what I'm asking him. What knowledge does he think he is going to be graced with when I flip town?

MacDougall wrote:I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Sorsha's play being scum is well documented, you only have to look at her recent posts to get a sense of posting nervously as scum playing poorly with a lynch on them tend to do.

DrWilgy... Are you tunneling me because I said you were scum in that Jimmy's game? Oh my God, u suck brah.

Explain how me flipping civ is going to help anything?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And I deserve to die...

I thought you did die!

Spoiler: show

Bullzeye wrote:I wonder how many people will 'forget' to remove their votes from me and then blame Golden for my death...

What do you feel about Devin?

Golden wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:@JJJ - your view please

What do you think about TS civvies following my vote, and forcing scum to also vote that way or be revealed (while not suggesting people keep their votes on bullz).

Do you see merit?
If following your vote without staying your follower is truly sufficient, then I don't see a reason not to. Votes are changeable, so TSers would only need to click one vote beside you and then move on to their personal suspects (presumably with a bold vote also placed). If I understand you correctly at least.

The highlighted bit is a crucial detail though.
If it was insufficient, it would do no harm.
So all TSers should place a vote for the player you have voted for, even if only temporary.

This would make your seductee (that's not a word) susceptible to night actions directed at you also, right? And vice-versa?
I don't want to get into anything about what my role might or might not be.

But I do think it is worth others thinking about and putting in the thread the reasons why following my vote might be beneficial if you are a civ. You have correctly stated what I am suggesting people do.

Well whatever. Can't hurt me more than what I've done to myself already.

Voting bullz for now.

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:@JJJ - your view please

What do you think about TS civvies following my vote, and forcing scum to also vote that way or be revealed (while not suggesting people keep their votes on bullz).

Do you see merit?
If following your vote without staying your follower is truly sufficient, then I don't see a reason not to. Votes are changeable, so TSers would only need to click one vote beside you and then move on to their personal suspects (presumably with a bold vote also placed). If I understand you correctly at least.

The highlighted bit is a crucial detail though.
If it was insufficient, it would do no harm.

So all TSers should place a vote for the player you have voted for, even if only temporary.

This would make your seductee (that's not a word) susceptible to night actions directed at you also, right? And vice-versa?

bcornett24 wrote:Sorsha seems very confused especially in her most recent posting...the behavior reminds me of a lost puppy. By no means is sorsha a new player to mafia, is this behavior normal for her? Is it more akin to mafia sorsha or town sorsha? To be fair, I rather feel like this as well due to the depth of content is this thread.

I feel like a lost little puppy

Sorsha wrote:Elo why don't you just ask to be replaced?

Here you go sig and whoever else wants it:

Bad:
bea- Like I said earlier, I wouldn’t be surprised if LC got the go ahead btc from bea to use her for his ruse.

Epignosis- Completely avoided the LC/bea posts, tried to steer the lynch away from LC. Placed a vote temporarily on seaside then switched it to bcornet at the end which helped out with LC’s x3 vote.

Devin- Until today hadn’t contributed much. The rainbow list I started yesterday I had “Leaning bad on Devin. He’s keeping up with the thread and posting answers to game mechanics and various questions but little in the way of suspicions except for Diiny.” Today he has defended Epi so that doesn’t look good to me either.

Probably good:
Golden- The only thing I find sus about his is his vote for bcornet at the end of the lynch, especially paired with LC’s x3. But….. I only skimmed over the golden v jjj posts, those I see him coming from a civ pov and, like me, I don’t see him defending LC like that if they were teammates.

Good:
My two biggest civ reads are Zebra and Mac, thinking bullz is civ so far and Strawhenge. I doubt that Black Rock is bad, I don’t think that role would be on its 2nd replacement by the 3rd day if it was a btsc baddie role and I don’t think Bubbles would have dropped out if she were bad either. (she has a history of never getting a baddie role so I think she’d stick it out if she did)

bcornet- I suspected him enough to vote for him yesterday but I don’t think that LC would have voted for him/tied it/nearly gotten him lynched if he was a teammate. I don't see him being bad with the way yesterdays lynch went down.
This looks favorable to me, though in this case specifically little is provided to back up her opinions which could mean that she is piggy backing off of other's reads.

Sorsha wrote:You guys already have you mind made up about me.

I'd literally be the worst baddie ever to defend LC like I did though. But what can I really say? I can't take back the fact that I defended him
I agree with this and by no means is she a new player. I can't see her purposefully attempting to get herself lynched by defending LC and then being wrong about if she knew he was mafia, this would be rather counter intuitive.

Yes, it would. And also the TIMING of when I defended LC. Sure I voted for him to be CEO but that was before he did his bea ploy. Once he did that I was leaning bad on him until the very end (take a look at jjj’s iso it shows this more clearly) There is just no way that I'd try that being his teammate.(I wish The Piano mafia was still up so I could go find the quote (from LC himself) basically calling me an ice hearted mafia who will throw her btsc mafia mates under the bus in the blink of an eye.)

Sorsha wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yep, it was Zebra.

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I'm back (overslept, just a reason, not an excuse), catching up right now. RIP bwt, with seven votes I'm willing to bet that at least two of them are baddies.
I think Epi singled out the seven of us to. He did make posts on a couple of us but I don't remember which ones. (and I'm getting ready for work right now so I don't have time to check myself)
I think this is the worst post due to language used "I think Epi singled out the seven of us to." but taking this as an iso might remove the context in which she was referring to. And if the context isn't removed this would then be a huge scumslip which makes even less sense for a veteran player.

There was another post in there too that went with this thread but wasn’t quoted by me:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:DrWilgy (12), bcornett24 (14), Matt F (23), HamburgerBoy (25), Sorsha (27), Diiny (28), sig (31)

i reakon we got at least 2 scum here
dr wilgy and diiny?
I disagree with the first statement, and with whoever said almost these exact same words before (I think it was Zebra).

The number selected is seems arbitrary and unfounded. Picking suspects based on that is illogical in my opinion.

Why those two?

We were discussing the players who had chosen just 2 of the 7 bwt voters as suspicious. I was saying that Epi had as well.

Sorsha wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
Epignosis wrote:k4j talked about me.

Save you all the trouble on that number.
So, did you kill him?
Did you kill him so you'd be able to come into the thread today and start off an attack on who k4j was suspicious of yesterday?

Sorsha wrote: No. I didn't.
I don't understand Sorsha's response to the question here, the topic was really serious while the reply was quite playful, or at least that is how it seems.

The playful response was to Strawhenge who said this between those ^ two posts:

Strawhenge wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
Epignosis wrote:k4j talked about me.

Save you all the trouble on that number.
So, did you kill him?
Did you kill him so you'd be able to come into the thread today and start off an attack on who k4j was suspicious of yesterday?
Why, did you kill him so you'd be able to come into the thread today and start off an attack on who came into the thread today to start off an attack on who k4j was suspicious of yesterday?

Something else I noticed is that much of her content end swith questions which redirects content away from herself. This could also be telling, or it could be normal for her, IDK.

If sorsha is mafia she has to be having one bad game right now and people are taking an easy vote trying to focus on her. This is why I feel that she is potentially being setup. By no means am I saying that I'm 100% right, based on the above content, it just feels off to me. You will not see me voting for her without more evidence. This will move her down to a far less suspicious place for me. I want to go back and look at her interactions with other players and see if something strikes me but, that will have to wait until after work, as will my opinions regarding diiny.

Sorsha is civvie and she’s still having a very bad game now.

I thought I figured it out reading the roles. Someone said it doesn't make sense though so

Matt F wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Matt F wrote: Sorsha - Till next time.
Can't wait

Tbh, I might switch it up next day phase and vote Golden.

I hope it doesn't discourage you from doing so but.... I might too. What you said makes sense.

Matt F wrote: Sorsha - Till next time.

Can't wait

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:*facepalms at the previous two posts*
Am I missing something?
Oh yeah. But I don't even want to come close to breaking the rules so I can't exactly tell you. All I can recommend you do is look closely at Golden's recent posts. You may ask yourself: Why was he trying to get lynched?

Ok I get it. I didn't realize where Golden was from.

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:*facepalms at the previous two posts*

Am I missing something?

Golden wrote:
Sorsha wrote:RIP Bea

Why did you apologize Golden?
Because I invited people to lynch me and they did and bea was lynched and was not bad.

Is that your fault?
Did you know you were going to survive?

RIP Bea

Why did you apologize Golden?

Voting Golden

Russtifinko wrote:What'd I say? Being accused by Epi is a death knell. Rico's leading in votes and I'm tied for second. He's playing you guys.

I had even less time than I hoped today, and I hoped for relatively little. Voting Sorsha based on previous pings, the way yesterday went down vote-wise, and because she has enough votes that it could actually matter.

I agree that we're probably getting played by epi but there aren't enough votes there for me to vote that way today.

I've not read every post on the subject but I read jjjs iso post along with a few others and I'm not 100% behind this Rico vote. Like I see it but I don't think it's super strong....meh

From what I skimmed of the jjj v golden I felt golden was more likely bad and trying to set jjj up for the lynch.

My dilemma now is if I want to put my vote on Rico just for the padded insurance (so vote manips hopefully won't mess with things) or with golden who I find more suspicious.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:Yup. Sorsha. That's about the only suspicion I agree with completely, atm.
Should I take this mean to that you have other suspicions that are unpopular? And if so, what are they?
Not really. "Unpopular" isn't the best word to use here. I have a couple of suspicions that I'm far less confident about. Diiny I'm only slightly confident about. And Epi, I can't see him being one to defend a teammate. But he could have been pretty confident that he could save LC with those defenses. Also, he may have figured that he would blend in with the other people defending LC. IDK. Speculation. I still need to think on this. Other than that I have no strong reads.

Sorsha wrote: Devin- Until today hadn’t contributed much. The rainbow list I started yesterday I had “Leaning bad on Devin. He’s keeping up with the thread and posting answers to game mechanics and various questions but little in the way of suspicions except for Diiny.” Today he has defended Epi so that doesn’t look good to me either.
Sure you did. And now I'm really bad because I voted for you right?

Extreme Linkitis. Can I post now???????

No you're really bad because you're defending Epi. You also voted for bwt to be lynched and you got all lurky the next day as your name was tossed about.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: The votes have indeed flooded in. I'm still considering finding an alternate place to put mine. Of the people who have bandwagoned you, who do you think is being most opportunistic?

Sorsha
6
Rbzmncaeaei (7), Devin the Omniscient (8), Bullzeye (9), Matt F (10), DrWilgy (11), Golden (12)

I'd say devin and Golden... MattF as well although I don't really think he's bad. I just think he wants me to be bad for some reason. He's been on my ass since day 0 and he's been wrong on 100% of it.

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Golden wrote:Someone asked how I feel about Sorsha - I feel the evidence that has been produced is good, and I have absolutely no issues with the vote going that way today.
Did you even read my responses?
I kind of doubt he did. May I inquire what are your thoughts on everyone you did not mention in your reads list?

linki @Golden - wuttehfuk

I'll work on it, a lot of the RYMers I have no idea but I'll try to go through their posts and at least give a vibes-type read on them.

Golden wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Golden wrote:Someone asked how I feel about Sorsha - I feel the evidence that has been produced is good, and I have absolutely no issues with the vote going that way today.
Did you even read my responses?
Yes. I don't feel strongly that you are bad, but I think the evidence is good - I wouldn't choose to vote for you but I just did because everyone else is so... why not. I think I've made it pretty clear there are plenty of others who I think are a better choice for the lynch, but I don't think you are a bad choice.

Vote sorsha

Nice

Golden wrote:Someone asked how I feel about Sorsha - I feel the evidence that has been produced is good, and I have absolutely no issues with the vote going that way today.

Did you even read my responses?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sorsha wrote:3. Yes... It's called not being 100% sure because I wasn't. Like I just said, I've seen him do something like this, coming up with zany theories and day one plans, and get lynched as a civ.
Could you try to recall one example of this happening to a civilian LC? It'd help me a lot to believe in your mindset.

If I remembered the game I would have. I know it wasn't this site. It could have been Rev or LP.... The Piano site is gone.

Sorsha wrote:4. Noncommittal on seaside because I've never played with him before, I don't know if this is how he always acts but I didn't see anything too suspicious in his behavior. I also didn't like the reasons some people were given for voting him. At the same time they knew him better than I did, but I still only think you should lynch someone if you really think they are bad.
You didn't think his earliest contributions were a little suspect (things like him calling Floyd73 a town read and Mac a rogue read)? I did. I do understand you being hesitant to commit as someone that doesn't know seaside though. I probably wouldn't be able to generate a strong stance in your position either.

Floyd probably is a town, I would imagine he'd be in here or replaced by now if he were mafia. At one point I found Mac suspicious too and like seaside, I have never played with Mac before but Mac and seaside have played with one another before. For all I know seaside was right about him and calling him out early.

Sorsha wrote:5. And this would be the point, if I were his teammate, that I should have begun distancing.... not further defense. Or just kept my mouth shut. Or placed a vote on him. Pretty much anything but what I actually did.
You're right that your defense of LC was blatant. If I were LC's team mate I wouldn't have defended him there either. I think you must understand though why your defense of LC might be viewed with suspicion -- it doesn't imply that you're terrible mafia, it implies that you'd be confident in your ability to evade the trouble that followed.

However, I admit that I am not sure that's what took place. Your conduct in the face of recent pressure shows me that you don't feel good about the position you're in or your ability to stem the tide. That's an important observation so long as one can believe that you are being genuine in your defeatist frustration. I think I might believe you.

I do understand why my defense of him looks suspicious, that's why I am acting as I am. I don't fight that hard because a) I don't have all the time in the world to type up these responses and b) people are still coming in a slapping votes on so the defense doesn't seem to be helping anyway. If I get lynched at least you have my thoughts about who I think is bad. I will flip civ.

Sorsha wrote:6. Like I said, didn't think it would matter and figured it would just get torn apart anyway. I'm not the kind of player who goes head to head with others too much like golden and jjj and others have been doing the past day. i just roll over and die In the past it hasn't worked well for me and hasn't been worth the effort
I think your content reflects this statement at least. It did indeed get torn apart, and you did indeed begin to seemingly roll over and die, at least until I opened the door for you to respond rationally.

Still hasn't been worth the effort.

I kinda skimmed over the Golden/jjj thing, it was getting to intense for me but I don't think I agree with Golden that jjj is a LC teammate.

Were these interactions staged?

Or this one?

Sorry if those were addressed in the back and forth but

It seems like genuine questioning on jjj's part.

Matt F wrote:
Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.

Sorsha

Btw, I'm guessing you agree now that Mafias attempt to associate with civvies in case they get lynched?

Did I disagree with that earlier?

Elo why don't you just ask to be replaced?

Here you go sig and whoever else wants it:

Bad:
bea- Like I said earlier, I wouldn’t be surprised if LC got the go ahead btc from bea to use her for his ruse.

Epignosis- Completely avoided the LC/bea posts, tried to steer the lynch away from LC. Placed a vote temporarily on seaside then switched it to bcornet at the end which helped out with LC’s x3 vote.

Devin- Until today hadn’t contributed much. The rainbow list I started yesterday I had “Leaning bad on Devin. He’s keeping up with the thread and posting answers to game mechanics and various questions but little in the way of suspicions except for Diiny.” Today he has defended Epi so that doesn’t look good to me either.

Probably good:
Golden- The only thing I find sus about his is his vote for bcornet at the end of the lynch, especially paired with LC’s x3. But….. I only skimmed over the golden v jjj posts, those I see him coming from a civ pov and, like me, I don’t see him defending LC like that if they were teammates.

Good:
My two biggest civ reads are Zebra and Mac, thinking bullz is civ so far and Strawhenge. I doubt that Black Rock is bad, I don’t think that role would be on its 2nd replacement by the 3rd day if it was a btsc baddie role and I don’t think Bubbles would have dropped out if she were bad either. (she has a history of never getting a baddie role so I think she’d stick it out if she did)

bcornet- I suspected him enough to vote for him yesterday but I don’t think that LC would have voted for him/tied it/nearly gotten him lynched if he was a teammate. I don't see him being bad with the way yesterdays lynch went down.

Matt F wrote:
Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.

Sorsha

Btw, I'm guessing you agree now that Mafias attempt to associate with civvies in case they get lynched?

Sure it will, it will prove you wrong and me right. Worth it to me.

@sig- I'll work on it

Matt F wrote:Russ looks completely anti-Mafia to me now. He might be SK (er...apologies to whoever doesn't like talking about the SK...?), but consider this...

Russ made the 8th and final vote for Long Con, and was rather late with it.

Then, Long Con was forced to use his "x3 vote" on bcornett just to TIE with bcornett. I very seriously doubt Russ would make that vote if Long Con was his teamie. He could've easily avoided it by voting bcornett or Llama.

Anywho, right now I believe Sorsha is a baddie.

Sorsha wrote: Of course he, as mafia, would try to associate with or otherwise make a civ look guilty.
^--Talkin' about Long Con and her.

What's funny about this, is when I mentioned how Sorsha maybe voted with Eloh in Day 0 all three times to make Elohcin look guilty in the case that Sorsha was lynched and flipped baddie...Sorsha said how ridiculous I was.

But now, you do believe it's possible that members of the Mafia try to associate with civs to make them look guilty?

Linki

I like Golden, heck he even voted me CEO (thanks G!), however, after seeing Russ' very late vote for Long Con, I see Golden switched his vote to bcornett before the poll ended.

Golden - What are your thoughts on Sorsha? Do you think we should lynch her today?

Also, I had a slight ping on espers, but I'll write out a new post for that one. What's everyone else think of espers?

And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.

Strawhenge wrote:Ho-kay. So.

My top three scumspects, in no order, are Sorsha, Seaside, and The 73rd Llama.

Part One: Sorsha
1. Votes Long Con and Metalmarsh89 for CEO. Already not looking great, knowing that Long Con was pulling a long con.

2. Vote for BWT, terse, ambiguous assessment of Long Con, and some weird logic. Why's it totally cool and not backpedaly for Long Con to switch from bea to sig, but totally backpedaly for BWT to switch from sig to bea to sig?

3. ...then she admits that Long Con's ploy is suspicious...but still avoids any measure of conviction on the matter. Basically it's just a, 'Yeah it's suspicious. I don't get it. Huh. Weird. [silence] Welp, see ya later.'

4. This is a little stretchy, as far as a theory goes, but it's weird that at a few points she softly implies that Seaside was being framed for Burger's (specifically Burger's) death. Even going so far as to imply that everybody is against Seaside for a completely non-game-related reason. I know it's a second-degree casing, because this theory would only make sense if both Sorsha and Seaside were scum, but there's also a measure of strangeness about how noncommittal her defense of Seaside is. It takes her a few posts on the subject before outright saying she simply doesn't think he's scum, but I feel really shaky about the sidewaysy nature of the previous posts.

5. Comes to Long Con's defense again. And again, much more strongly, here. o_o

6. Her reaction to the Long Con lynch is remarkable in how unremarkable it is. 'Oooh...Nice lynch!' That's all you have to say after defending the guy? o_O Is there an eye-twitch smiley? Can someone make one? Can someone make one of a spinning red light? Because I would follow up this Sorsha ISO with a grand mosaic of those two smilies, stretching for pages and pages.

Conclusion: Sorsha's not looking so great to me, I'll tell you h-whut.

1. And if LC was a civ he would have been a great leader, it's true
2. I thought it was suspicious of bwt because he just seemed to be riding on LCs coat tails. Once LC "changed his mind" on bea, so did bwt. And I still stand by my bwt vote, I think he was suspicious.... See? I can't read bwt either.
3. Yes... It's called not being 100% sure because I wasn't. Like I just said, I've seen him do something like this, coming up with zany theories and day one plans, and get lynched as a civ.
4. Noncommittal on seaside because I've never played with him before, I don't know if this is how he always acts but I didn't see anything too suspicious in his behavior. I also didn't like the reasons some people were given for voting him. At the same time they knew him better than I did, but I still only think you should lynch someone if you really think they are bad.
5. And this would be the point, if I were his teammate, that I should have begun distancing.... not further defense. Or just kept my mouth shut. Or placed a vote on him. Pretty much anything but what I actually did.
6. Like I said, didn't think it would matter and figured it would just get torn apart anyway. I'm not the kind of player who goes head to head with others too much like golden and jjj and others have been doing the past day. i just roll over and die In the past it hasn't worked well for me and hasn't been worth the effort

Didnt think it would have mattered. Players would be making the same connections they are now.

Well the only defense I really have is that I'm crap at reading LC.

He has pulled stunts before in games and been lynched civvie.

As for the points made about him being sketchy about me. Of course he, as mafia, would try to associate with or otherwise make a civ look guilty.

I also wouldn't be surprised if bea were on his team and he had her permission before he tried his whole day one gambit.

You guys already have you mind made up about me.

I'd literally be the worst baddie ever to defend LC like I did though. But what can I really say? I can't take back the fact that I defended him

Strawhenge wrote:Ho-kay. So.

My top three scumspects, in no order, are Sorsha, Seaside, and The 73rd Llama.

Part One: Sorsha
Spoiler: show
1. Votes Long Con and Metalmarsh89 for CEO. Already not looking great, knowing that Long Con was pulling a long con.

2. Vote for BWT, terse, ambiguous assessment of Long Con, and some weird logic. Why's it totally cool and not backpedaly for Long Con to switch from bea to sig, but totally backpedaly for BWT to switch from sig to bea to sig?

3. ...then she admits that Long Con's ploy is suspicious...but still avoids any measure of conviction on the matter. Basically it's just a, 'Yeah it's suspicious. I don't get it. Huh. Weird. [silence] Welp, see ya later.'

4. This is a little stretchy, as far as a theory goes, but it's weird that at a few points she softly implies that Seaside was being framed for Burger's (specifically Burger's) death. Even going so far as to imply that everybody is against Seaside for a completely non-game-related reason. I know it's a second-degree casing, because this theory would only make sense if both Sorsha and Seaside were scum, but there's also a measure of strangeness about how noncommittal her defense of Seaside is. It takes her a few posts on the subject before outright saying she simply doesn't think he's scum, but I feel really shaky about the sidewaysy nature of the previous posts.

5. Comes to Long Con's defense again. And again, much more strongly, here. o_o

6. Her reaction to the Long Con lynch is remarkable in how unremarkable it is. 'Oooh...Nice lynch!' That's all you have to say after defending the guy? o_O Is there an eye-twitch smiley? Can someone make one? Can someone make one of a spinning red light? Because I would follow up this Sorsha ISO with a grand mosaic of those two smilies, stretching for pages and pages.

Conclusion: Sorsha's not looking so great to me, I'll tell you h-whut.

You're sooooooo right. You see, I was born yesterday and this here is my first mafia game ever. I just didn't know that I shouldn't defend my baddie partners in the thread!

Or...

Maybe I really actually thought LC was civvie because I don't have btsc with him because I'm not bad?

I don't know. All you geniuses have it all figured out. Please.... Teach me how to mafia.

Someone should probably tell her that it's day again.

It's actually kind of insulting how dumb some of you think I am.

Ooooh... Nice lynch!

At least you have time to get the A World Apart game going

Russtifinko wrote:Yeah that JJJ flip makes me nervous. C'mon, man...

...Sorsha, explain plz?

I thought he was talking about this:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This is not in OT green.

It's quiet hours at the hostel so I can't actually play the song. Instead, you get mime-lip syncing -- which I had to do in front of another human being who surely thought I was insane. This is the best I can do under the circumstances.

Spoiler: show

Also, here's the actual song so you can play it simultaneously if you so desire.

The lyrics begin at approximately 0:21 of my terrible video and 0:20 of the actual song.

.....at least I thought he did.

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I'm just going to address this because I'm tired of going in circles.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why would I tell everyone what I'm doing when I'm clearly up to something unique?
BECAUSE YOU COULD GET LYNCHED.

At least answer this JJJ, are you going to reveal your intentions before Day 2 is finished? Because otherwise you might not have a chance.

He revealed already

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This is not in OT green.

It's quiet hours at the hostel so I can't actually play the song. Instead, you get mime-lip syncing -- which I had to do in front of another human being who surely thought I was insane. This is the best I can do under the circumstances.

Spoiler: show

Also, here's the actual song so you can play it simultaneously if you so desire.

The lyrics begin at approximately 0:21 of my terrible video and 0:20 of the actual song.

No dance moves? :P

Also... Wilgy getting flustered and disorganized is making me

Matt F wrote: Sorsha, what do you think of Eloh's vote for RBZ?

No Bueno dude. I like zebras.

Matt F wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I feel like Matt is stretching with trying to find links where there are none and he's still on day 0 when everyone else is on day 2 so yeah... I can see that.
Everyone else, huh?

I suppose reywas coming in the thread to say "hello" means he's on Day 2, huh? Or TheFloyd, who has hardly said two words, if that, he must also be on Day 2?

As for me stretching it, again, I ask you, is Elohcin also stretching it by agreeing with my idea on you, or is still just me?

RBZ - You are definitely correct.

Ok, of the people participating in the thread then. Twisting words much? You are still the only one stuck on day 0.

She said you had a good point and could be on to something. Has she said anything else about me since then? So yeah, it's still just you.

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