The Syndicate

there's some uncontrollable variables at play of course, but chances are whoever [mention]sprityo[/mention] targeted last night was a civ.

Unless iron dwarf targeted me night one... or sprityo was misdirected, blocked or targeted a player who Epignosis also chose to protect night 2, in which case.... nevermind.

the thing is..... what reason would mafia sig have for lying?

is the theory that sig is a mafia member who sent out a wyvern hit on Colin, but then when he realized that the night post would implicate him, claimed he meant to target wilgy instead?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:51 pm
Kenway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:43 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine
Why?

Also whatever I didn't kill collins, like I said I targeted Wilgy, no offense bro.

Any number of things could've happened that would've redirected or changed targets assuming it was me. Once again you're quick to vote for me, yet not offer any good reasoning.

the only players that we know of that could actually redirect your action on their own would be Nutella or long con, and they can only do it on odd nights.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:07 pmlinki kyle no...? why are you asking me specifically? I wasn't even on a misdirect night :S

oh, I thought you and longcon had opposite shifts. my mistake.

[mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]Quin[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]colonialbob[/mention] [mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention]

did any of you move or remove my target last night?

nevermind, wyvern riders use spears in this game

but it says stabbed, wyvern riders use axes

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:32 pm OK WHAT 2 people are dead.??

colin was killed by a critical hit, which means he was targeted by a myrmidon, or... something else? sniper? but it mentions stabbing...

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] [mention]Quin[/mention]

did either of you have reason to suspect colin?

though the flavor text also mentions the wyvernrider??

it also seems like ddl and colin were fighting alongside each other, i really don't get the implications there. maybe targeting shenanigans? why was he stabbed twice?

rip tsp and colin

did anyone fuck with my targeting last night? plz be honest, i won't be mad

are we for sure past the start of dawn right now?

do we know if the mafia kill is effected by the speed/priority level of the killer's role?

what time does the next dawn happen? hypothetically speaking

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:54 amI don't know whether I read the Sage targeted you and misremembered it as the Mage, since it's the same power... or if your proximity to Kenway and at-a-glance name similarity is the reason for this error.

im way stronger and cooler than a simple mage.

i'm also not a conjurer of cheap tricks

Kites wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:48 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:40 am I dont believe that epi is mafia. I think his character is a reference to l'arachel the princess troubador and i don't think a lynch stop would be a wildly out of place ability for her. It's possible epi is a mafia with a thematically appropriate ability by coincidence but I think it's unlikely
uhhh role/character isn’t related to alignment cos they were drafted. so that doesn’t make him look any less or more mafia

you're misunderstanding. what you said is true, but if mafia replace their background powers with what their mafia background powers are. L'Arachel having a Lynch stop makes sense thematically based on her character. Epi having L'Arachel as his cover backstory and also happening to be a mafia role that has a lynch stop and being willing to spend it in the way he did, as well as having a team that wouldn't be pissed off about him using it in that way, makes much less sense.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:42 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:05 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:51 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine
Mafia horse doesn’t kill town horse night 1
Why? Please be quick.
Long Con doesn’t kill Rabbit because mafia wants to at least try to get a peg knight kill early and likes that option
Nutella might for the town cred

Could all be accidental
I don't think the mafia would put stock in that? pegasus kill only happens if 3 different players using 2 separate power types with completely different uses happen to target the same player. If the pegasi are mixed alignment then the chance of that ever happening is basically 0, since mafia pegasus is gonna want to track or misdirect civ players and civ pegasi are gonna want to track misdirect scummy ones.

I don't think the triangle attack is such a big sacrifice that long con wouldn't be willing to part with it.
If there were one bad player in the Pegasus Sisters, then they would gleefully participate in arranging a Civ kill with their two Civ sisters. It's a win-win... if you think (and I do) that the Pegasisters could have at some point coordinated on a kill... then one baddie in the bunch GUARANTEES that a baddie doesn't die. Why? All the baddie has to do is not agree to kill someone. "I'm not totally convinved X is bad, I'm not murdering them." WOW a real nice thing for a baddie to say. Win. OR, the stupid Civs agree to target a Civ, and the baddie Peg acts the stupe and goes along.

Rwad that, understand it, and then explain to us all how this sentence makes any sense, and what logic it draws from: "If the pegasi are mixed alignment then the chance of that ever happening is basically 0, since mafia pegasus is gonna want to track or misdirect civ players and civ pegasi are gonna want to track misdirect scummy ones."

.............

I actually did forget to account for the fact that the pegasus trio would hypothetically be able to outspeed most other roles and would be able to avoid their kill being blocked or protected against, making in thread discussion possible... If the pegasus trio could actually coordinate their targets then that would make keeping all three alive more valuable to the mafia if one of them were part of the three... I see what you're saying, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a coincidental 3-hit-combo. I don't think it clears you as much as you say it should, but I understand the argument at least.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] you seemed aware of my suspicion of you, why didn't you respond to it? How much of the thread are you caught up on?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:58 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:57 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:50 am I'm just like... Not feeling this lynch.

I don't know the cbob case. Dr. White at least had some bad looking posts. I feel iffy about the lapluie train members.
'Well I fit right in there, since you already suspect me of some bullshit

Linki: HAAAAA! Yup
what does any of this post mean?
He thinks you’re gonna vote for him
You vote for him and he was right

thanks but i asked long con

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:51 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine
Mafia horse doesn’t kill town horse night 1
Why? Please be quick.
Long Con doesn’t kill Rabbit because mafia wants to at least try to get a peg knight kill early and likes that option
Nutella might for the town cred

Could all be accidental

I don't think the mafia would put stock in that? pegasus kill only happens if 3 different players using 2 separate power types with completely different uses happen to target the same player. If the pegasi are mixed alignment then the chance of that ever happening is basically 0, since mafia pegasus is gonna want to track or misdirect civ players and civ pegasi are gonna want to track misdirect scummy ones.

I don't think the triangle attack is such a big sacrifice that long con wouldn't be willing to part with it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:50 am I'm just like... Not feeling this lynch.

I don't know the cbob case. Dr. White at least had some bad looking posts. I feel iffy about the lapluie train members.
'Well I fit right in there, since you already suspect me of some bullshit

Linki: HAAAAA! Yup

what does any of this post mean?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:51 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine
Mafia horse doesn’t kill town horse night 1

I don't believe that's true. Why would that be true.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

I'm just like... Not feeling this lynch.

I don't know the cbob case. Dr. White at least had some bad looking posts. I feel iffy about the lapluie train members.

what is the actual case on cbob

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:20 am @Kylemii where's your mind at right now?

tbh im having trouble focusing at all right now, I'm a little bit caught up in the afterglow of getting the "you're hired" call earlier c:

I still suspect LC but it doesn't seem like he's on the table.

I feel pretty medium about everyone whose in the lead for votes right now. Like... Not a single one of those boys gives me confidence that their lynch would result in something positive.

I don't really know what the case against cbob is

I feel like I haven't agreed with anything rundontwalk has ever said in this game but I think it's like a meta thing.

Jay's case on Dr. White felt pretty strong, his "interesting" post had a lot of half reads and statements didn't really say anything but his emotional response felt genuineish

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:10 amThey usually play werewolf, not actual mafia. Not to mention by your definition nearly all sports, chess, gymnastics, and a bunch other things are all "for kids".

yeah you're right those are some other really good examples of games designed for children that are often played by adults

the point that there's no reason to ever involve feelings or put other people down in any of those activities, stands perfectly well. they're all games meant to be played for fun and enjoyment, unless you're being payed to do one of them, at which point suffering is acceptable.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:47 amMafia is not a children's game lol

it is, it's played in scout camps, but that's also not really the point

I dont believe that epi is mafia. I think his character is a reference to l'arachel the princess troubador and i don't think a lynch stop would be a wildly out of place ability for her. It's possible epi is a mafia with a thematically appropriate ability by coincidence but I think it's unlikely

also, can everyone plz chill? this is a silly internet version of a game for children, there's no reason to have emotions about it.

I'm hearing the same 4-5 voices right now, I want to hear what the other 19 voices think.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:14 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:12 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am That JJJ would come after me, if he's town, is especially offensive seeing as how I body guarded him last night.
Why would you bodyguard the stronger bodyguard?
AFAIK bodyguards cannot bodyguard themselves?

that's not the point. Jay isn't an info role, so he'd be more likely to be kill targeted by successfully body guarding the right person. but then he has a 50% chance of surviving that cus he's a paladin. body guarding jay would probably bypass that 50% and make you die in his place even though he might have survived without being targeted, assuming you're a cavalier. it's unnecessary risk

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am That JJJ would come after me, if he's town, is especially offensive seeing as how I body guarded him last night.

Why would you bodyguard the stronger bodyguard?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pmMac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game

how would this work

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] which do you see as being the more likely crime boy, between the two of DDL and RDW?

I finally read Jay's case on Dr White. I could see putting my vote there.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:14 pm @colonialbob do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

I don't suspect Tony but I want to point out that this isn't necessarily true... A mafia Tony would know he has to reveal some mafia roles once in a while to keep us from knowing what's up, and would know which mafia roles would do the least damage to his team to reveal. Knowing the ring role exists doesn't realistically help us that much in solving the game as much as like.... knowing there's a mafia seemer or a mafia lynch stop or a power copier or a janitor or something like that.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Quin[/mention] tell me about lapluie

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:48 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:46 pm also wait rdw did you mean DDL when you said "dr" in that one post? I'm so confused I assumed it was either Dr. White or DrWilgy but your response implies DDL
I thought it was Doctor Dragon Fluff or something
It's Dragon Dick Luffy.

We've been over this, the "D" stands for "Dad" cus Dragon is Monkey D Luffy's dad.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:32 pmI don't think his TMI style posts are alignment indicative. The decision to roleplay that sort of thing isn't more likely to come from scum than town.

Roleplay isn't the issue. The issue is allowing roleplay to dictate gameplay. The issue is choosing to lynch you over nutella without actually caring or working to decide which one of you is actually more likely to be mafia.

please stop posting the nutella cheese :[

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] plz tell me about Dr. White

and also, do you think long con cares about the roof war?

also, he redirected my magic trick to some rando in the audience and that was rude :[

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:06 amI'm a tracker, and I am Civ, and I intend to bring good results to the thread which will catch baddies. I'm hoping one of our docs out there will appreciate that and think of me. All Pegasus Knights, and the Shaman, need protection.

And yeah, by the way, Marmot, what the hell? Some of us info types are hoping that protection will allow us to contribute a few free baddies to the noose... we don't need some showboater getting everyone to target him! Is that your big idea? Draw all the protections so you can kill who you like?

Anyway, that's a tangent. Mac, if I had found out about a BTSC baddie team before the draft, I would have been in there as soon as a chat link was PMed. Then I would have been less clueless at the draft. There wouldn't have been a post saying "Did Long Con just log off without choosing the next player?" or whatever.

I'm a Pegasus Knight, and we are not a role you just go ahead and lynch. We will produce. We will police this thread and come together to slay any infidel who dares to be Mafia. Don't lynch me, and leave my sisters alone too.

It's posts like this..... Just like.... So much effort to emphasize that he is a pegasus knight and his role is important and that he should get a protection used on him because of how important he is. It's just so insistent that it feels fake.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:46 pmHey that's me and I resent the assumption
Ah, heh heh, I hadn't realized it was you, Pegasister, when I said that silly thing. I have since quietly disassociated myself from that theory altogether.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:39 pm Hi, I'm ten pages behind right now, and I don't know if I'll be reading them or not. I don't want my Pegasister to be lynched... as of ten pages ago, I felt like she was being railroaded by a few aggressive, high-posting players, and I am not that surprised to see the tally in the state that it's currently in for her.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:54 pm OhhhhhhHHHHHHHH but he's my OTHER Pegasister! Gah!

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:48 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Pegasister

And then he has this whole thing where he doesn't want to lynch Nutella or rabbit because of their relationship to his role, culminating in his quin vote to save Nutella, I think his day one actions show a disproportionate amount of effort being put into saving his pegasiblings compared to the amount of effort he put into steering the day one towards a scum lynch

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:53 am Oh you meant my vote, not some night power thing... I voted to save my Pegasister nutella. She's town, and she's not up for lynch. I thought I was going to have to vote Epi, but then the Quin vote became the only way. PLUS several people have stated that your ISO is "full of fluff", and that doesn't sound good. What's up with that?

this is actually the first time long con says anything regarding nutella's actual alignment, instead of her role as a pegasus rider, and it's way after the actual lynch took place. He says he town reads her, and gives an after-the-fact half-hearted reason for why he voted for Quin, which is not representative of any of his previous posts

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:37 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:35 pm wait is sloonei even playing
So easy to fake...

this was the only other post where he even mentioned Quin prior to voting for him

I don't trust long con...

his posts seem really almost performative. i don't know how to put it into words. it's like he's trying too hard, he's emoting instead of actually feeling, and his pegasister pride preventing him from suspecting other pegasus riders doesn't make sense to me, since if even one pegasus rider is mafia it's impossible for the triangle attack to actually be used to kill mafia.

I don't really understand rdw's views on meta. are the differences in gameplay really so different at rym compared to here to create such varied views on gameplay? what would the benefit of Mac bussing a teammate ddl out of nowhere be?

what was the case on cbob?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:36 pm Effective immediately, Speedchuck replaces Dunya.

@dunya
@speedchuck

[mention]@dunya[/mention] bye dunya, sorry to see you go, since it seems like you're leaving cus of stress. hope everything's okay.

[mention]Speedchuck[/mention] hi speed, interested in your thoughts

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:20 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:29 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:23 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:13 pm It should be noted that these misdirections are largely targeted to a random other player. This isn't like a bus drive wherein the new target is specifically selected.
Well whoever misdirected me, thanks...now we have no idea who I targeted and wasted a positive ID.
How do you know you were misdirected?

I especifically asked Jack what yould happen if I misdirected you and he told me you would never notice. You'd just get wrong results.
I'm curious: knowing I'm an ID cop, why did you misdirect me? You've repeatedly claimed you think I'm Civ.
Yes! I had to randomly misdirect someone last night, and I specifically looked through the roles to see which would do the least harm. I certainly avoided trackers, protectors... I seem to recall that most roles left a bad taste in my mouth to redirect randomly. Then I got to Mage: "Fire - Each night, you may target another player and reverse their action. A nightkill will become a doctor, a guide will become a block, a track will become a reverse track, etc." And I figured the random, chaotic nature of that power meant that randomizing it wouldn't be as disruptive as many others.

but you didn't target the mage, you targeted the sage. why target me and not kenway?

Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:08 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:33 am
Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.
Wait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?

[VOTE: kenway] aubergine
As I've already mentioned, one of the role cards explicitly states that all scum are from Badguyia.

Mage-bud, the armies on the front page likely don't directly correspond to place of birth. we don't really know what they mean yet, and lynching a vigilante or pseudo cop isn't the best way to find out. Not to mention the fact that lynching either of them wouldn't even reveal their nationality anyways. It's not a good plan.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:40 pmKylemii hey babe, why'd you make Mac vote for me?

i can't control mac he's too much of a free spirit. i would never dream of caging that bird.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:15 pmI'm the troubadour. Am I magical?

yeah dude you're magical as fuck

And does that mean I get some say over whether sig can act?

apparently not, though once you promote to mage knight or valkyrie you will. unless it's based on the other list.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:44 pm wait unless healing counts as magic? it doesn't specifically say it does though when other descriptions do say e.g. "light magic user"

healing and staves are magic but I don't entirely know if they apply as such as far as the wyvern goes, but I assumed that's what sig is talking about since his only other neighbors are a thief and a cavalier. both of epi's promotes can use tomes.

what are the current votals?

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