Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[rundontwalk]

I remember the last time I heard you said this line. You were scum.

I don't remember what game I first coined that brilliant, subtle turn-of-phrase.

You were scum in that one too I'm sure.

Your tells are so easy to spot. I thought mafia was supposed to be hard.

I'm town so apparently it is hard for you

That's not what you told me in BTSC. >:[

What?

[Marmot]

I remember the last time I heard you said this line. You were scum.

I don't remember what game I first coined that brilliant, subtle turn-of-phrase.

You were scum in that one too I'm sure.

Your tells are so easy to spot. I thought mafia was supposed to be hard.

I'm town so apparently it is hard for you

That's not what you told me in BTSC. >:[

What?

That sweet sweet alignment that rhymes with plum.

You know.

[nutella]

I remember the last time I heard you said this line. You were scum.

I don't remember what game I first coined that brilliant, subtle turn-of-phrase.

You were scum in that one too I'm sure.

Your tells are so easy to spot. I thought mafia was supposed to be hard.

I'm town so apparently it is hard for you

That's not what you told me in BTSC. >:[

What?

That sweet sweet alignment that rhymes with plum.

You know.

mmm coconut rum

[Quin]

If not Dr. White I think my next lynch would be lapluie.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine AUBERGINE

[Marmot]

mmm coconut rum

I am always aligned with coconut rum.

[colonialbob]

AUBERGINE


[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[2] Iron_Dwarf - speedchuck, gwilikers6
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Kenway - colonialbob
[2] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf, Epignosis
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[4] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, nutella
[1] sig - sprityo

No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

DEADLINE IS EXACTLY FOUR HOURS FROM THE TIME OF THIS POST

I'm currently on TSP

Everybody is ignoring my case, I feel like JJJ during the early parts of this phase ;_;

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm currently on TSP

Everybody is ignoring my case, I feel like JJJ during the early parts of this phase ;_;

Gimme a direct link and I'll take a look. I'm a bit distracted at the moment.

[nutella]

AUBERGINE


[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[2] Iron_Dwarf - speedchuck, gwilikers6
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] TonyStarkPrime - colonialbob
[2] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf, Epignosis
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[4] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, nutella
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin

No vote: Dr. White, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

[sprityo]

AUBERGINE


[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[2] Iron_Dwarf - speedchuck, gwilikers6
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] TonyStarkPrime - colonialbob
[2] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf, Epignosis
[1] SPEEDCHUCK - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[4] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, nutella
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin

No vote: Dr. White, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

Fixed.

[mention]DrWilgette[/mention] can’t votenfor dunya if she isn’t here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]sprityo[/mention], what do you think about people suggesting you're the Five Finger General Ring role?

[sprityo]

@sprityo, what do you think about people suggesting you're the Five Finger General Ring role?

They’re grasping at straws trying to find something suitable to lynch me for after I already explained what my backstory was. I refuse to believe I’m the only one with the backstory since Mac and whoever else have the same condition. Unless that’s the one specific case


I don’t think dunya meant it as a serious discussion topic, yet some people (DDL) appear to think otherwise

[Kylemii]

I don't think his TMI style posts are alignment indicative. The decision to roleplay that sort of thing isn't more likely to come from scum than town.

Roleplay isn't the issue. The issue is allowing roleplay to dictate gameplay. The issue is choosing to lynch you over nutella without actually caring or working to decide which one of you is actually more likely to be mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sprityo, what do you think about people suggesting you're the Five Finger General Ring role?

They’re grasping at straws trying to find something suitable to lynch me for after I already explained what my backstory was. I refuse to believe I’m the only one with the backstory since Mac and whoever else have the same condition. Unless that’s the one specific case


I don’t think dunya meant it as a serious discussion topic, yet some people (DDL) appear to think otherwise

Is that an accusation?

[sprityo]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] my backstory is dubbed the Crazy Flirt if that helps you at all

[sprityo]

sprityo, what do you think about people suggesting you're the Five Finger General Ring role?

They’re grasping at straws trying to find something suitable to lynch me for after I already explained what my backstory was. I refuse to believe I’m the only one with the backstory since Mac and whoever else have the same condition. Unless that’s the one specific case


I don’t think dunya meant it as a serious discussion topic, yet some people (DDL) appear to think otherwise

Is that an accusation?

The former, no. The latter, obvious

[sprityo]

I’m saying DDL is misinterpreting the sentence, not that he wants me Lynched. At least as of yet

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay my backstory is dubbed the Crazy Flirt if that helps you at all

I have paid nearly no attention to the discussion of backstory. I'm not concerned with it.

[Kylemii]

also wait rdw did you mean DDL when you said "dr" in that one post? I'm so confused I assumed it was either Dr. White or DrWilgy but your response implies DDL

I thought it was Doctor Dragon Fluff or something

It's Dragon Dick Luffy.

We've been over this, the "D" stands for "Dad" cus Dragon is Monkey D Luffy's dad.

[colonialbob]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] here's the case in two posts.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: ColonialBob] aubergine

I’ve given up on being unable to lynch CBob.

CBob why are you not a dirty rotten no-good miscreant?

Why am I? What is this post? Given up on not being able to lynch me?

I meant to say read but lynch works too I guess

Lol that's not a scumslip at all right

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Well, it's Freudian, but I don't know if it's scummy.

Why would a civ care about not being able to lynch me? Keeping in mind that he hasn't really expressed any very concrete scumreads of me so far (this isn't a Sloonei in Mountains situation)

What does everyone think of Bob and DDF?


I feel like if one of them is mafia the Pegasus knight under them is mafia as well.

Both mafia. If they’re both mafia can they all be mafia? Of Bob and DDL I’m slightly more suspicious of DDL but I can’t read Bob and that psychs me into giving him a null read

This is TSP's first (and only) post where he reads me. He says he suspects DDL over me. He's also given previous scumreads on a few other players.

What changed between last night and this morning TonyStarkPrime?

He hasn't addressed my question except for a vague "ISO" and no response to a request for specifics.

[Iron_Dwarf]

IronDwarf because of his silly vote against me showing he didn't bother to read full exchange with JJJ

Can't really see anything substantial there. And this is not really a defense.

[Iron_Dwarf]

I'm not gonna waste my time defending myself against silly accusations that I'm scum when I know I'm not scum.

Y'all are latter day Birthers and history will absolve me

Really substantial.

[Iron_Dwarf]

[VOTE: Iron Dwarf] aubergine

This came up and I liked the points made, especially Nutella's. Then I looked at his ISO and didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either. Day 1 is mostly smashing Epi for the don exercise thing, then on day 2 he argues a bit more but gets off Epi's back. Coulc be a calculated move to get out of a lynch nobody is interested on anymore. Then a vote on RDW out of nowhere. Lots of "salad", I think. He is contributing, but not in a way that gives me a good vibe.

Right now I think I have much more civ suspicions than bad ones, so this one is one of the slightly bad ones.

Epi is still suspect in my book. Didn't like the day 1 gambit at all. The rundontwalk vote was motivated. And why single me out for random votes when both rdw and JJJ amongst others did just that?

[Iron_Dwarf]

Still some are going on about Dr White's behavior in draft. Seems like a stretch. Focus on something more substantial than random noise in a 50/50 choice I'd say.

[Kylemii]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Quin[/mention] tell me about lapluie

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He hasn't addressed my question except for a vague "ISO" and no response to a request for specifics.

The wording is awkward, though I wouldn't say I find it suspicious. It at least begs clarification.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], if I correct your initial comment to your intention, I get "I've given up on being unable to read cbob". I still don't know what that means in the context of a post containing a vote for him. What were you trying to say?

[Iron_Dwarf]

This is my last post before the vote. I already said I was a bit iffy on colonialbob. And because I don't feel I am out of the woods yet this is partly motivated by self preservation. And I don't believe Dr White to be scum, the most important case is the draft thing and that is just nonsense in my book.

[VOTE: UNVOTE rundontwalk] aubergine

[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay Quin tell me about lapluie

She's a suspect by pure meta. Her first game ever on the site was the fast-paced Mortal Kombat, and she hit the ground running. She wasn't afraid of the new environment and involved herself frequently in dialogues all over the thread. This time, even when acknowledging that her time is more restricted by wi-fi issues I believe she mentioned somewhere, her appearances in the thread have been considerably less inspired (hi Quin). She doesn't look comfortable.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

the most important case is the draft thing

I will literally fight you.

[speedchuck]

Iron_Dwarf and Dr White for teammates

[nutella]

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

[speedchuck]

Sure I could [VOTE: Dr. White] aubergine though. The case on him is better than-- Well, it's the only case I've seen so far that had merit.

And yes, you can consider that my condemnation of every case made since I joined. Honestly.

linki: This isn't the Ring mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

IronDwarf because of his silly vote against me showing he didn't bother to read full exchange with JJJ

Can't really see anything substantial there. And this is not really a defense.

RDW's vote on me was tacked to a strong suggestion that he had role-based information against me. Soon after he admitted he only bodyguarded me, meaning the vote wasn't driven by real stuff [beyond his desire to test me, presumably]. Given that he was open about this and that you didn't seem to notice that, what is your perspective now about his vote for me?

[TonyStarkPrime]

He hasn't addressed my question except for a vague "ISO" and no response to a request for specifics.

The wording is awkward, though I wouldn't say I find it suspicious. It at least begs clarification.

nyStarkPrime, if I correct your initial comment to your intention, I get "I've given up on being unable to read cbob". I still don't know what that means in the context of a post containing a vote for him. What were you trying to say?

Grabbing some questionable CBob posts now but it's taking a bit of time, I can explain this first.

Earlier I had stated that I felt baddish about CBob but I didn't think I could read him well so I didn't want to act on it.
With this I'm saying I don't care about that, he's bad.

[colonialbob]

@colonialbob do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

Absolutely. Don't know all the mafia roles obviously but a "mass roleblock if lynched" isn't something civs can really do anything about. What's the solution, *not* lynch mafia because you're worried they might be Ring? Nah.

[Kylemii]

@colonialbob do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

I don't suspect Tony but I want to point out that this isn't necessarily true... A mafia Tony would know he has to reveal some mafia roles once in a while to keep us from knowing what's up, and would know which mafia roles would do the least damage to his team to reveal. Knowing the ring role exists doesn't realistically help us that much in solving the game as much as like.... knowing there's a mafia seemer or a mafia lynch stop or a power copier or a janitor or something like that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

AUBERGINE

[4] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime, Iron_Dwarf
[1] Iron_Dwarf - gwilikers6
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] TonyStarkPrime - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Epignosis
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[5] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, nutella, speedchuck
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin

No vote: Dr. White, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

Deadline is in approximately 90-98 minutes.

[nutella]

@colonialbob do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

Absolutely. Don't know all the mafia roles obviously but a "mass roleblock if lynched" isn't something civs can really do anything about. What's the solution, *not* lynch mafia because you're worried they might be Ring? Nah.

OK, fair. What about the argument that that was presumably the only action he sent per gwil's investigation, and if he was mafia he might have some additional action (since they've promoted and seem to have additional roles)?

[Epignosis]

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

rundontwalk is teammates with DDL.

Before I get into this, let me explain why I believe DDL is bad.

First, I got the impression that he was keeping me on his good side by talking up my exercise and wanting to give me more time to devote to it. He's not questioned me once. That sort of thing is designed to keep me comfortable, but it's also meant to keep me comfortable with him.

He agreed with me about the usefulness of my thing.
He agreed with me about the overabundance of people's posts.
He agreed with me about JJJ counting Quin's posts.

That's just what I remember.

Second:

[VOTE: Iron Dwarf] aubergine

This came up and I liked the points made, especially Nutella's. Then I looked at his ISO and didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either. Day 1 is mostly smashing Epi for the don exercise thing, then on day 2 he argues a bit more but gets off Epi's back. Coulc be a calculated move to get out of a lynch nobody is interested on anymore. Then a vote on RDW out of nowhere. Lots of "salad", I think. He is contributing, but not in a way that gives me a good vibe.

Right now I think I have much more civ suspicions than bad ones, so this one is one of the slightly bad ones.

This is full of hedging language ("didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either," "Could be a calculated move," "I think"), and the irony here is that he calls the post "Lots of salad," despite the fact that DDL tied his vote to not one, not two, but three other people: nutella, me, and rundontwalk.

If Sprityo is ring he roleblocks the entire town when killed (delaying our investigations and giving easy kills to the mafia) which makes him a primary candidate for bussing. So his insistence on being an easy lynch (the kind of thing that usually makes people want to lynch you more) and posts that suggest he doesn't care about it could be an attempt to be lynched.

Granted, this is subjective, and Sprityo could just be misinterpreted. But even then, the ring is a player who should be trying to be lynched before their teammates.

I addressed this "good catch," as DDL called it earlier. It's foolish. An efficient mafia team is not interested in getting lynched to role block people. Role blocking everyone is insurance, not a goal.

I have no evidence that the underlined is true. Some have said their votes don't count if they vote first. That's not a boon. Is it at all a stretch to think that sprityo has some weakness to lynches?

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

I believe rundontwalk is accusing MacDougall of doing what he himself is doing.

Why would Mac sacrifice a scummate who currently has zero votes?

Because assumption will be he is town. Every single time I'm scum I sacrifice a scum mate when convenient for me.

If dragon is scum is indicative of Mac being town

That is the crappiest reason for a vote I've heard all day.

Anybody can look town if you lynch their scum suspect.

That's because it's not a genuine vote.

[nutella]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I think you're off by an hour, the deadline should be in 2.5 hours

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay I think you're off by an hour, the deadline should be in 2.5 hours

You're right, I forgot it's central time.

[Kylemii]

I finally read Jay's case on Dr White. I could see putting my vote there.

[colonialbob]

colonialbob do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

Absolutely. Don't know all the mafia roles obviously but a "mass roleblock if lynched" isn't something civs can really do anything about. What's the solution, *not* lynch mafia because you're worried they might be Ring? Nah.

OK, fair. What about the argument that that was presumably the only action he sent per gwil's investigation, and if he was mafia he might have some additional action (since they've promoted and seem to have additional roles)?

Possibilities:
A) he didn't use his additional action (by choice or because it's limited)
B) his additional power is passive
C) gwil and Tony are w/w

FWIW the promoted roles we know are Sage (which has an extra oneshot) and Paladin (who gets an upgraded version of the same power).

[nutella]

colonialbob do you think Tony would have revealed the Ring role if he was bad?

Absolutely. Don't know all the mafia roles obviously but a "mass roleblock if lynched" isn't something civs can really do anything about. What's the solution, *not* lynch mafia because you're worried they might be Ring? Nah.

OK, fair. What about the argument that that was presumably the only action he sent per gwil's investigation, and if he was mafia he might have some additional action (since they've promoted and seem to have additional roles)?

Possibilities:
A) he didn't use his additional action (by choice or because it's limited)
B) his additional power is passive
C) gwil and Tony are w/w

FWIW the promoted roles we know are Sage (which has an extra oneshot) and Paladin (who gets an upgraded version of the same power).

Also fair response. So he could be bad. I don't really think he is

[MacDougall]

Dr. White vs. Colonalbon wagons are providing some great levels of schaudenfraude. Can we get some votes onto Luffy and really amp it up?

[MacDougall]

I finally read Jay's case on Dr White. I could see putting my vote there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Of the posts you've cited, Epignosis, the one I find most compelling is the first:

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

That does have the scent of TMI.

I'm hesitant to play let's pair teammates together when we haven't flipped a single role, but RDW should discuss his degree of confidence in DDL as a mafia read.

[rundontwalk]

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

rundontwalk is teammates with DDL.

Before I get into this, let me explain why I believe DDL is bad.

First, I got the impression that he was keeping me on his good side by talking up my exercise and wanting to give me more time to devote to it. He's not questioned me once. That sort of thing is designed to keep me comfortable, but it's also meant to keep me comfortable with him.

He agreed with me about the usefulness of my thing.
He agreed with me about the overabundance of people's posts.
He agreed with me about JJJ counting Quin's posts.

That's just what I remember.

Second:

[VOTE: Iron Dwarf] aubergine

This came up and I liked the points made, especially Nutella's. Then I looked at his ISO and didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either. Day 1 is mostly smashing Epi for the don exercise thing, then on day 2 he argues a bit more but gets off Epi's back. Coulc be a calculated move to get out of a lynch nobody is interested on anymore. Then a vote on RDW out of nowhere. Lots of "salad", I think. He is contributing, but not in a way that gives me a good vibe.

Right now I think I have much more civ suspicions than bad ones, so this one is one of the slightly bad ones.

This is full of hedging language ("didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either," "Could be a calculated move," "I think"), and the irony here is that he calls the post "Lots of salad," despite the fact that DDL tied his vote to not one, not two, but three other people: nutella, me, and rundontwalk.

If Sprityo is ring he roleblocks the entire town when killed (delaying our investigations and giving easy kills to the mafia) which makes him a primary candidate for bussing. So his insistence on being an easy lynch (the kind of thing that usually makes people want to lynch you more) and posts that suggest he doesn't care about it could be an attempt to be lynched.

Granted, this is subjective, and Sprityo could just be misinterpreted. But even then, the ring is a player who should be trying to be lynched before their teammates.

I addressed this "good catch," as DDL called it earlier. It's foolish. An efficient mafia team is not interested in getting lynched to role block people. Role blocking everyone is insurance, not a goal.

I have no evidence that the underlined is true. Some have said their votes don't count if they vote first. That's not a boon. Is it at all a stretch to think that sprityo has some weakness to lynches?

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

I believe rundontwalk is accusing MacDougall of doing what he himself is doing.

Why would Mac sacrifice a scummate who currently has zero votes?

Because assumption will be he is town. Every single time I'm scum I sacrifice a scum mate when convenient for me.

If dragon is scum is indicative of Mac being town

That is the crappiest reason for a vote I've heard all day.

Anybody can look town if you lynch their scum suspect.

That's because it's not a genuine vote.

Cool story, bro.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cool story, bro.

There are times when the shtick is not advisable. Here is one such time. You should address the shit.

[colonialbob]

Cool story, bro.

There are times when the shtick is not advisable. Here is one such time. You should address the shit.

[rundontwalk]

Of the posts you've cited, Epignosis, the one I find most compelling is the first:

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

That does have the scent of TMI.

I'm hesitant to play let's pair teammates together when we haven't flipped a single role, but RDW should discuss his degree of confidence in DDL as a mafia read.

I think he's slightly more likely to be scum than MacDougall. Idk if he's scum. My point in saying that was that like if gwilikers is scum I don't think y'all should think I'm automatically town. Likewise I could see scum Mac trying to get a free ride to finish line