The Syndicate

you took sig cus you thought it would be funny to abduct him after he had just escaped the cave

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:05 am Oh yeah also @MacDougall this game was fantastic, thank you very much for putting it on. I eagerly await vol. 2.

seconded. i will definitely sign up for volume 2, I already know what my role name will be

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:58 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:48 am game was over 2 nights ago when sloonei overrode my kill choice of Juliets and switched it to Colins for some reason :0 though it would have gone better if id killed juliets night 7 too

we fucked up a lot in endgame, civs earned this win, congrats

Wow really? I did wonder why you killed Colin instead of me. Maybe Sloonei can answer. I was not posting big at that time though, trying to lay low at least a little bit.

idk i was kind of mad about it haha

i sent the kill pm without telling the team my choice and sloonei panicked near the end of day and sent a different kill in on Colin to make sure we didn't miss the night. it was my fault.

though i wasn't killing you cus of the cop thing, I completely forgot about that, you were just a really unlikely mislynch and sig seemed like he was more likely to be protected cus of his jack of all trades fakeclaim that included a protection.

i knew i was fucked but i had to do my best to win anyways. i did my best, i have no regrets.

congrats [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] what were your results? your roles wording made it seem like you were a straight up alignment cop that was only occasionally wrong,

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:32 am Ha ha ha Kyle, you see? Mac even quotes the same thing I did to prove that the rescue was separate from the escape. But I know you were throwing everything you could into the mix to show someone else was bad. You did a great job on the last day, I was seriously doubting my check of c-bob.

yeah i knew, or.... well i didnt know but i was ignoring your logic a little cus i was desperate and cornered. speedchuck was a civ this game so i had to do whatever i could to win. my only hope was somehow getting turniphead and ddl on my side which was realistically not going to happen.

game was over 2 nights ago when sloonei overrode my kill choice of Juliets and switched it to Colins for some reason :0 though it would have gone better if id killed juliets night 7 too

we fucked up a lot in endgame, civs earned this win, congrats

pretty cool that every living player other than juliets has been targeted by my ability though

you guys have got to stop lynching me at or near lylo though. it's exhausting. this is the 3rd game in a row.

i did my best, I went out of my comfort zone and broke my personal rule of never telling people reasons to read me as civ. this isn't a lynch that I'm gonna get out of

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:54 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:53 am colonialbob you still up?

barely

i was thinking i might just be um... be done or whatever

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] you still up?

but on a similar note, if i were mafia, why wouldn't I just target my teammates for gauranteed free powers????

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:28 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:41 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:37 pm Welp inh was ISIS rip that defense

But anyway why wouldn't I have made Sloonei a double voter instead of you

the only reason we think you targeted me is cus you said you did, you could have targeted any of the inh voters, right?

which rules me out because I voted Kites.

i also dislike the implication that a mafia cbob would only specifically ever target his teammates and no one else. If none of his teammates were in jeopardy there'd be strategic utility in targeting me to prove his role or whatever

at least that's what I thought.

i wanted to give it a second chance

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:25 pm I'm not done with Kylemii.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:13 pm

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:54 pmWhat have you done each evening and what were your results?

I used the protection I got from quin on jay on night 2 and I used the role check I got from cbob the second time on turniphead. cbobs first gift is still in stock. i missed two nights of targets in the sex cave and ddl blew me off two times in a row, though one of them was my fault.

Why does your result on Turnip Head seem so crucial when it is anything but revelatory?

I think that's extremely subjective? turnip head was the most likely to have been lying about his role so I targeted him and found out he wasn't. if you don't think that's value added then cool, whatever, but I'm trying to help solve the game and I thought it might be useful information.

If DDL blew you off once, why target him a second time? Seems like a "fool me once, shame on you" sort of scenario.

first time was a technical issue, I targeted him too late and then he had an issue with the website and didn't get it to work

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:37 pm Welp inh was ISIS rip that defense

But anyway why wouldn't I have made Sloonei a double voter instead of you

the only reason we think you targeted me is cus you said you did, you could have targeted any of the inh voters, right?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:29 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:26 pm If juliets got recruited and we were teammates why wouldn't I have just made her the double voter?

you would. who's questioning that?

There was a whole discussion on her being recruited and me also being mafia, no?

yes, i don't understand the question. if you and juliets are teammates you'd obviously target juliets at endgame

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:27 pm i disputed your logic in that very post, right up there.

if we were voting purely based on potential to fuck up lylo your role is way worse than mine :0 if I'm mafia then the worst case scenario is that my role might do the thing that your role has already been proven to do.

My role isn't helpful tomorrow unless I can self-target, and like I said if I could self-target INH wouldn't have gotten lynched.

double targeting rule means you'd only be able to do yourself every other night, right? plus even without that you'd be able to target ddl

that's why im concerned about ties

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:26 pm If juliets got recruited and we were teammates why wouldn't I have just made her the double voter?

you would. who's questioning that?

i disputed your logic in that very post, right up there.

if we were voting purely based on potential to fuck up lylo your role is way worse than mine :0 if I'm mafia then the worst case scenario is that my role might do the thing that your role has already been proven to do.

did mac ever say if he'd tell us when we were in lylo?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:07 pmIf I'm mafia, my power is basically useless tonight. The only way it comes into play is if there's a tie between me and somebody else and I picked the right person who is voting with me not against me.

this assumes you can't self target, we also don't know for sure the exact function of your role, just that it results in a +/- 1 vote

If Kyle is mafia, he could have an extra kill or vote steal or make himself a double voter or something else that messes with the math.

all I have left is a jail-keep

So Kyle is the smart lynch, because even if we're wrong we're still likely to be in mylo tomorrow (relying on DDL's vote, granted). But if he's mafia he could potentially lock up a win with a mislynch today.

that seems pretty convenient for you

whatever you do, please keep this phase from ending in a tie, that's the actual worst case scenario for today.

working a closing shift til about 10 PST so by the time I'm back around everyone's probably going to be asleep

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:11 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:10 pmThe soulkeeper specifically said the "escape" at night through the door is the one where I could come out "changed". Being rescued was a separate option.

was the soulkeepwr Mac or PC?

This is a top tier pun

it was a mid-tier typo

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:46 pmLC definitely knew it was YOU who outted him though... I wonder how such a thing could be staged. It sounds ballsy but so are the players involved

follow up quandry??: if the mafia knew that juliets was a civ cop then why is she still alive 4 days later

juliets on the same argument wouldn't it be extremely suspicious to people who knew you were a cop if you suddenly stopped supplying them with cop information

are you mafia now?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:41 pm I confess I don't remember ever seeing juliets play as mafia. She could be capabale of anything as far as I'm concerned. She's an original gangster

has juliets ever been mafia? i feel like all my ideas on what things are and aren't in her mafia wheelhouse come from how she is on discord where she's everyone's warm and caring friend and not complicit in murders and crimes.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:32 pm So @Kylemii if we do this should we lynch bob or Jules first? And we will need DDLs vote for a majority

idk dude juliets response to my questioning has seemed genuine in kind of an emotional way, and now I'm nervous again cus that doesn't seem like something she'd fake if she were mafia. I think cbob would be a better choice between the two, but either way there's no way we'd actually manage a majority with cbobs role in play, unless he specifically targeted one of us, or was lying about it's functionality

what about "Grifters Gambit"?

Y/N?

if there's two things that should be evidence of my alignment it's that long con almost got me lynched on day 2, and that if I were mafia there's no way I'd use my role to clear Turnip "Gamblers Gambit" Head at endgame. There'd be no benefit to doing that.

I think I was also an early-ish supporter of the long con and motel wagons as well.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:16 pmKyle, shouldn't you be telling us why you are not bad?

no? what kind of person solves mafia by talking about and investigating themselves. that's not a thing.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:10 pmNo your logic doesn't make any sense. Juliets didn't escape, she was freed because her captor got lynched.

you're also confusing juliets with dunya and sig

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:10 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:07 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:50 pm i don't really see what you mean. day or night, you escaped from long con's void, so wouldn't you still have been subject to the 1/3 roll chance? the first paragraph refers to a way you could have escaped, 2nd paragraph refers to the things that might happen in the event that you did escape.

Yep kyle's bad yall

ugh Turnip Head you have to see what I'm seeing here

No your logic doesn't make any sense. Juliets didn't escape, she was freed because her captor got lynched.

But I get it, you're making one last play, you do you.

PS I also think you're bad because you refuse to come back to the cave to chat, when in FE you were all about your BTSC with your mage buddy.

mac literally told us we weren't allowed to use that for btsc :0 just sex

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:10 pmThe soulkeeper specifically said the "escape" at night through the door is the one where I could come out "changed". Being rescued was a separate option.

was the soulkeepwr Mac or PC?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:50 pm i don't really see what you mean. day or night, you escaped from long con's void, so wouldn't you still have been subject to the 1/3 roll chance? the first paragraph refers to a way you could have escaped, 2nd paragraph refers to the things that might happen in the event that you did escape.

Yep kyle's bad yall

ugh [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] you have to see what I'm seeing here

epignosis is the only player allowed to make arguments based on high school level english knowledge, and he's also the only player who's allowed to be ridiculed for doing so.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:42 pmThe rules for escape change because that is what is specified in Long Con's role description. It clearly pertains to escapes that occur at night. Otherwise, why do you think the role card specifies "at night"?

it's two separate paragraphs. the paragraph that mentions night refers to the method in which you could have escaped by yourself, it doesn't take into account other methods of escape

Why even have that in there if the mechanic applies to all escapes?

if LC's role description went out of its own way to mention other ways of void escapage wouldn't that have tipped the mafia off to DDL's role

It was explained to me that the "door" would either be open or not at night and I could escape via that means but there was a chance I would be fundamentally changed (i.e. recruited) or die. Being rescued by someone else was a different alternative. You can only know those things if you were in the chatzy when soul keeper explained it to me but you should be able to see that the mechanic clearly applied to "night" escapes, whether you think it should have or not.

so the soul keeper specifically said to you that the recruitment chance only specifically applied to that method of escape and no others?

I am putting effort into this because you are wrong and I think that is clearly shown by the language in Long Con's role card. I do not let wrong things be said about me without showing they are false if they are significant.

it's not really that clear. the only direct indication of what you've said about recruitment being true is a citation of a private chat we don't have access to.

And to your last post "that player" is referring to the player in the paragraph above. That's how the English language works.

thanks, cool

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:50 pm i don't really see what you mean. day or night, you escaped from long con's void, so wouldn't you still have been subject to the 1/3 roll chance? the first paragraph refers to a way you could have escaped, 2nd paragraph refers to the things that might happen in the event that you did escape.

Do we have any clarification at all on how DDL's role works? That seems to be the missing puzzle piece here. How "rescued" is rescued?

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:27 am MacDougall is drunk so forgive if something goes wrong.

Long Con has been lynched.

Spoiler: show

He was the Endless Void, Al-Pieda. The Chatzy of Lost Souls has been destroyed.

The Endless Void targets a player each night. That player will be sent to the Chatzy of Lost Souls.

While residing in the Chatzy of Lost Souls players are confined to the Chatzy of Lost Souls completely. They are unable to participate in thread activities at all. No voting or posting. Their ability to cast night actions is limited to the confines of the other members of the Chatzy of Lost Souls. They will be removed from any other BTSC chats that they are in for the duration of their time in the Chatzy of Lost Souls.

At night there is a random chance that a person confined to the Chatzy of Lost Souls finds a way to escape. This starts at 5% and goes up by 5% each phase that they reside there.

If that player escapes there is a random event. In the event the player is a civilian there is a ⅓ chance they will die upon escape, a ⅓ chance they will fall in love with the Abyss and have their win con switched to the same win con as The Endless Void and a ⅓ chance they will escape freely.

In the event the player is Independent or Mafia aligned upon their escape there is a ⅔ chance they escape unimpacted. There is a ⅓ chance they kill the Endless Void on their way out, thus liberating the remaining participants there.

The Endless Void is not allowed to enter The Chatzy of Lost Souls and cannot self target.

If The Endless Void is lynched or otherwise killed, the Chatzy of Lost Souls is completely destroyed. Every person inside has a 50/50 chance of survival.

The Endless Void cannot be targeted by any similar roles.

Sig and Dunya have been liberated.

It's night um 5. I'll end it in like 24 hours or so.

"that player" and "the player" are used multiple times throughout LC's role description to refer to interned players. it mentions one method of escape specifically and what happens in the aftermath of an escape. there's nothing here to imply that the same 3 sided dice role wouldn't occur during any other escape.

[mention]juliets[/mention] i don't understand why the rules for escape would change just cus the means of escape changed.

i also don't understand why you're putting so much effort into proving to me that you weren't recruited if you think I'm mafia like you stated earlier?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:50 pm i don't really see what you mean. day or night, you escaped from long con's void, so wouldn't you still have been subject to the 1/3 roll chance? the first paragraph refers to a way you could have escaped, 2nd paragraph refers to the things that might happen in the event that you did escape.

No No No - you do not understand. Look at the first paragraph again -

At night there is a random chance that a person confined to the Chatzy of Lost Souls finds a way to escape. This starts at 5% and goes up by 5% each phase that they reside there.

Do you see where it says AT NIGHT????? This is talking about the escape that can happen at night which I posted about earlier in the game. It is NOT TALKING ABOUT A DAY ESCAPE! I escaped via DDL which was a DAY ESCAPE. My freedom happened at the end of DAY four. The NIGHT ESCAPE was the only one that was subject to recruitment.

I think I understand it fine? the random event where recruitments happen doesn't specify that it can only happen at night, only that it happens when an escape happens. it doesn't specify that it can only happen during night escapes. it doesn't imply anywhere that day and night escapes would be treated differently.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:09 pm @Turnip Head what do you think of the idea that cbob and juliets are both mafia, cbob an original member and juliets a recruit who bussed long con to maintain the momentum created in the abstinence cave?

If that is the case then you and me are the only civs left

although then on the other hand i guess it's equally likely that it's you and juliets as it is cbob and juliets :\

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:30 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:09 pm @Turnip Head what do you think of the idea that cbob and juliets are both mafia, cbob an original member and juliets a recruit who bussed long con to maintain the momentum created in the abstinence cave?

it's a real question, th. do you think it's possible juliets was recruited

i don't really see what you mean. day or night, you escaped from long con's void, so wouldn't you still have been subject to the 1/3 roll chance? the first paragraph refers to a way you could have escaped, 2nd paragraph refers to the things that might happen in the event that you did escape.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] what do you think of the idea that cbob and juliets are both mafia, cbob an original member and juliets a recruit who bussed long con to maintain the momentum created in the abstinence cave?

oh fuck

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:51 am Ok, heres the deal. I alignment checked c-bob and he was civ. I also alignment checked Turnip Head and he was also civ. So Kyle, that's how I come to the conclusion that you are bad. I think we should lynch you and if it turns out you are civ, that means one of my alignment checks was wrong, maybe due to a role card saying "If checked you will appear as civ". So at that point whoever is left can vote c-bob.

okay that is extremely concerning news actually

if everything juliets is saying is true then unless cbob has a role that is "add a vote to other people and also you look civ if checked" then the mafia has to be a recruited juliets or a wildcard ddl, but neither of those seem right... if juliets were recruited then there's no reason why she'd need to pull any of this, right? She was already in a good position to win, and ddl... hm...

th's role text doesnt say anything about being a seemer either.

im going to have to review things, i fully expect to be lynched today but i want to do everything I can to make sure the game can work itself out after my death