The Syndicate

Good game, everyone! Sorry I wasn't quite as involved as many of you, but I enjoyed what I could understand/keep up with I never did get to stop that night early...but I did laugh when someone said "Clara is probably dead" on the last Night

Chris wrote:Just out of curiosity, nijuu... what are your reasons to vote DF? Because before, you were voting for him under the suspicion of being The Master. Is that what you're voting for him for again?

Well, based on this last lynch, it's definitely looking like Dom = Master. My votes for DF were based on behavior more than logical speculation, so I still think he's bad, but not the Master. Does that make sense?

S~V~S wrote:Dom, I STILL suspect Epi, and I will bet anything that end game, he is bad. But no one has listened to that, so I give up. Ever time I have had an opinion, someone pipes in with a *new* Master suspect, or a *new* recruiter, and the ultimate urgency of lynching this person NNNAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I have had to defend on a lot of crap cases built on things like weak searches and not reading the roles correctly, and had to wade through tons of posts, just like everyone else. You have been busy & blendy most of the game, and I did not have an opinion on you, so i did not give one until asked.

I don't recall hearing from YOU either, so don't blame me if we did not interact.

This. This is what happens every single time I come back to read this thread, and honestly why I've have so much trouble keeping up/espousing a strong opinion in this game. I've tried to maintain consistency, but sometimes when I come back in this thread I feel so lost and dumbfounded by people's new speculations, and spreadsheets, and crazy shit that I don't even know where to start. So I often don't. (For the record, I'm not necessarily faulting those who offer speculation - I'm merely irritated that there ISN'T consistency for me to follow in such a large game.)

Last time I was here and had an opinion, I voted DF. I haven't really changed my mind, but the thread has moved back to Dom. His reaction makes me iffy, but it's not abnormal for him (although I'd also like to give him a smiley hug because of it, so here it is: ) From my understanding, it seems Dom is being chosen because zeek had such a strong feeling/knowledge about him, but without a case to back it up (as if he had info, but couldn't share it). I see he survived the last lynch, and this of course could either point to zeek being right about his being the Master, or Dom being right about himself having a protection/role that allows for a lynch save, although I don't really know what/who that would be. Long story short, I don't have a strong opinion about Dom, and won't be surprised either way.

There are 9 votes on Dom, so it doesn't really matter whether or not I vote for him it seems. I'm going to vote DF again, because nothing has really changed about him, others agree but are voting Dom instead, and I have nothing to hide.

DFaraday wrote:

Chris wrote:SVS, for what it's worth, if Snow Dog didn't eliminate the Cybers, I'm pretty sure that Epig is the last one, based on his posts and his votes.

Agreed, although I still think Ninjablooper could be Cyber. After Snow Dog it's one of those two.

I am not a cyber, sir, but I think you are.

Long Con wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

"Work, drugs!"

OMG I love Eastbound and Down.

And cake. I want cake.

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I find it amusing that I am a "wild card." Immensely amusing But I'm really not that wild if you think about it. Not in the thread, at least

You're not wild in real life either. Boring ass English teacher who'd rather read Chaucer than shoot heroin off a stripper's knee.

Bitch, you don't know me.

I find it weird that people seemed pretty gung-ho voting for DF during the last lynch (as in, people were saying "If I weren't voting Bass, I'd be okay with a DF lynch"), and yet...Chris is the only one who's voted for him today, and we're all on Dom. This seemed to come from Epi's comment last night about how I would've killed him if I were the Master but haven't, and Dom's the only other suspect, so he gets the vote. Yeah, I see what people are saying about the risk of role-hinting as the Ood, but again...it could very well be a lie. I will say it again - I trust no one. Absolutely no one. And like Dom, I don't really like the idea of role-hinting in the first place. It kinda messes up the integrity of the game for me.

Speaking of Dom, I feel his reaction to the accusations is sincere. I don't want to vote him. I will vote DF, because I have already said why and because I'm comfortable voting in that direction.

I find it amusing that I am a "wild card." Immensely amusing But I'm really not that wild if you think about it. Not in the thread, at least

Dom wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I am also curious why people seem so confident in accepting role hints in the thread as canon. First of all, I didn't even know that was allowed, however subtle. Secondly, I trust absolutely no one in mafia, ever, so I don't know why others are keen to do so. I thought I had caught the Ood role hint from DF, but I ignored it because...once again, I trust no one, and I brushed it off as a DW joke because it seemed too...outing. Like, no way he was actually saying that and getting away with it.

As for myself and looking at me, I am not playing under the radar. I am finally able to get back into a game with a reasonable number of people and (almost) reasonable number of posts to read after work (I will probably avoid most large games after this, since I have so much trouble keeping up). You will waste your time and valuable votes on me for being "quiet" and on incorrect speculation. With that being said, I'm willing to offer what I can to the conversation, and whatever is asked of me to defend/explain.

On another note, I find your theory of the recruiter possibly dying early interesting, MP. I'm probably asking a dumb question, but who do people believe the recruiter is playing for? The Cybers? Or a secret role? Or both? God I have a feeling this has been answered and someone's gonna bang their head against the wall...

Linki - Damn, MP, glad that vote is "subject to change!" You'll be a very sad, sad sock if you're followed by others :P

This post does not point at a single person you are suspicious of.
Who do you think should be lynched and why?
I ask because I may vote for you otherwise.

I have no reason to believe DF is telling the truth. At this point, I will likely vote him.

Oh, and yeah, I'm not the Master. Pretty sure I've said that. Do not waste your vote.

Linki -

I am also curious why people seem so confident in accepting role hints in the thread as canon. First of all, I didn't even know that was allowed, however subtle. Secondly, I trust absolutely no one in mafia, ever, so I don't know why others are keen to do so. I thought I had caught the Ood role hint from DF, but I ignored it because...once again, I trust no one, and I brushed it off as a DW joke because it seemed too...outing. Like, no way he was actually saying that and getting away with it.

As for myself and looking at me, I am not playing under the radar. I am finally able to get back into a game with a reasonable number of people and (almost) reasonable number of posts to read after work (I will probably avoid most large games after this, since I have so much trouble keeping up). You will waste your time and valuable votes on me for being "quiet" and on incorrect speculation. With that being said, I'm willing to offer what I can to the conversation, and whatever is asked of me to defend/explain.

On another note, I find your theory of the recruiter possibly dying early interesting, MP. I'm probably asking a dumb question, but who do people believe the recruiter is playing for? The Cybers? Or a secret role? Or both? God I have a feeling this has been answered and someone's gonna bang their head against the wall...

Linki - Damn, MP, glad that vote is "subject to change!" You'll be a very sad, sad sock if you're followed by others :P

Dom wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:
2) Mentions of me (and Dom) have been made by Epi, and then DF. First, I wonder why I was mentioned as a potential candidate for the Master. It wasn't really explained, and the only speculation others have had is my quietness. Soooo...is there something else? But then, like others pointed out, why did DF so suddenly have us on his radar within hours of Epi's non-explained suspicion? The argument that he's been opportunistic, based on this and other instances pointed out, looks sound to me.

Can you point me to where people have called DFaraday, specifically, opportunistic? Or are you characterizing other people's thoughts on him?

Mostly characterizing others' thoughts on him. That comment specifically came from Epi's post a little while back pointing out DF's opportunistic "Oh, looking at Dom and Blooper" just hours after Epi posted, and after DF said he had no idea about us. Epi used the word.

I myself am slightly surprised (though not much so) at my post count in comparison to others. This month has been stupid busy for me in RL: every weekend has been filled with traveling, visiting, and general eventfulness, and much of my free time after that is filled with more paperwork than I've ever been cursed with at work (pretty sure due to the complete lack of teacher workdays. Genius planning on the schedulers there). About a week or so ago I fell several pages behind in the thread (I think it might've been the first Bass lynch, or before that), and I haven't been able to catch up since, and honestly, I do not have the time or drive to read those 10-15 pages. I'm doing what I can at the moment from there, and I'm currently trying to keep up, but I feel like since I missed that chunk, I'm very confused about theories and I don't have anything new/thoughtful to contribute in that direction. I hate that I seem to be falling lower than expected by several people.

So, I'll offer my thoughts as best as I can put them across with what I've missed:

1) This Bass mess is very odd. Very odd indeed. I see people on different sides, saying that he had a switch, then possibly a stop, a la Clue. Others say someone ELSE might have the switch, then stop because Bass has a kickass role they don't want to get rid of (so I assume people in that camp think he's recruited). Then others say he might be the Master, and these are his kill-stops. At the moment, I'm inclined towards the first assumption - that either through prizes or his role or a combination of the two, has avoided two lynches. I am confused about the recruiting in general, so I can't really offer much of an opinion in that direction, but I also wouldn't throw that out. Either way, he looks bad. The question is, do I want to use another vote on him tomorrow? That I will think about.

2) Mentions of me (and Dom) have been made by Epi, and then DF. First, I wonder why I was mentioned as a potential candidate for the Master. It wasn't really explained, and the only speculation others have had is my quietness. Soooo...is there something else? But then, like others pointed out, why did DF so suddenly have us on his radar within hours of Epi's non-explained suspicion? The argument that he's been opportunistic, based on this and other instances pointed out, looks sound to me.

3) As for quieter people, well, I empathize. However, I know I've fallen off in the last couple of cycles, but while my posts are few, they at least have something in them for the most part. People can post hundreds of times with nonsense and often do, and others can post little with also little substance. If you're going to look at quiet people and call them "flying under the radar," make sure you look at their content as well as their count.

I am happy to answer what I can if others want to hear from me. I graded a shit ton of work today and I may actually be able to participate a bit more today (in two games. Huzzah!). If I feel really ambitious, perhaps I'll even make a spreadsheet like I normally do. Perhaps. But now, off to make dinner and get a pumpkin to carve. Hooray!

I've caught up a bit, at least the last 5-7 pages or so, and some from yesterday before I passed out. I think interesting points and logic are being made about DF, but I was really trying to chug through the posts so I'd need a closer look at the logic itself to make an educated response (especially since I didn't really make much of an educated vote/response the other day with Chris. I'll have to look at that again too, but I digress. One thing at a time).

The last lynch was a big surprise to me, as it seemed to be for everyone else. People thought Bass was bad, voted, and it looks like a switch happened. Now people are even more confident about Bass, and I believe I can be confident enough to do so as well, based on the lynch results and what people are saying against him (I won't rehash. God I won't rehash, because it's been repeated for the last ten pages). I'm on the tail end of votes, I know. As usual. But that's the way it is.

Gotrees wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote: Just so I don't leave you hanging, I'm catching up a bit - I honestly missed the whole case on sabie, so that'll give you an idea of how far behind I am

As far as Epi goes, I really do think he's just burned out. I've said it before and I'll say it again - people say he acts strange/different/like a baddie, but he really just acts like himself, so it's not particularly weird behavior to me. Even though I know I'm a quieter player, I advocate having a look at quieter players, since surely not all of the baddies are out in the open like he is.

Are people saying Chris is the Master? I think I saw that a few pages back, but haven't gotten a chance to see exactly why this is so. I'm begrudgingly willing to glean posts and posts for it, but I'd much appreciate the shortened version if someone can oblige me

Some bits trimmed out for relevancy.

Ok, I'm a bit confused by this. You start off by saying you're far behind, and end by saying that you are far behind, but in the second quoted paragraph you feel informed enough to weigh in on a topic which had only been brought up a few hours before your post? And all you have to say about that topic is pretty much that you stand behind Epig and think he is probably a civ? Sounds a bit suspicious. You can take my first official eyeball.

I feel like the topic of Epig (at least the one blooper is referring to) would take more than a brief skim of the posts to understand. I could be wrong. I'd appreciate an explanation.

Hello, Gotrees! By chance I happened to see you mentioned me last night, and I'm sorry for leaving you hanging (I promise I wasn't ignoring you; I have grandparents visiting from the DR that I only see every few years, so mafia isn't on the top of my do-do list, but I at least try to check in with a semi-relevant post at least. I even took off work to visit, and I never do that). To address what you've said (even if you're not thinking of it anymore, but so you don't think I'm rude) : for the post in question you mentioned, at the time I was catching up (as in, in the process of doing so, and reading), so in my process, I caught bits and pieces of people speculating about Chris and the Master. I won't bother to go through the way I read things because...well, it's not very consistent for one, and two, it usually makes sense to only me. Either way, I happened to catch that and figured I'd mention something about it to join the conversation. In that post, I didn't really "weigh in" on the speculation; rather, I asked about it, and asked someone to give me the tl;dr of it (which, for the record, no one obliged that I saw. Sigh).

As for Epi, I know the bastard in real life and see him at work 5 days a week. I'd also caught bits of that conversation in the thread (I do attempt to read and keep up even if I'm not posting, but in large games I'm more likely to fall behind), but I was able to contribute to that more because I know from RL conversation he's been itching to start his LOZ game (which, BTW, 4 more players are needed, so SIGN UP NOW or whatever deity you believe/don't believe in will rain hot acid on your front lawn) and itching to host rather than play mafia in general. Hope that clears things up!

I will do my best to review the happenings of this thread I've missed tomorrow and be able to vote intelligently, but I'm throwing a tea party (yes, I said tea party) with my mom and best friend and will most certainly not be back until tomorrow evening. And now, I'm off to bed, because I've been up since 8, walked around the fair for 5 1/2 hours, and ate delicious, horrible, ridiculous fried food all day, and I'm fucking exhausted. Goodnight, good people

Shit, I thought the poll ended late like the other nights. Sorry, hosts

Chris wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Chris wrote:Just to be clear, what form of badiness do you think I am Ninju?

Most likely Master. What's the actual big deal with Bass? Something about Hedgeowl or some theory he (Bass) came up with? That's all I've gleaned so far.

He's voted lock step with Sabie and Snow Dog for the most part.

Voted Hedgie as being the recruiter when it's just about impossible for that to be true.

There was a missing PM on night 6, and Bass was gone that entire time until day 7, and there are far more baddie roles that have to send in PMs vs civ roles. His reasons for votes feel faked.

But those are just my reasons.


But back to this whole The Master deal...

Why did you think that I, as The Master, was defending MM when I was saying that he's essentially harmless?

MM is recruited as far as anyone knows, and The Master would need MM dead just like everyone else. So why would The Master care at all to protect someone who is not on his LMS team?

Dammit, I thought I said "Sporcle break!" Ah well.

I thought Lucy was recruited BY the Master? Was that determined not to be the case? Her role sure says so.

Snow Dog wrote:

Chris wrote:Snow... what's up? Why are you sitting on that vote? Did you have to go back into your team chat to figure out why I'm asking you to vote for me, and how to handle it?

I was doing toilet actually.

Sporcle break time.

Chris wrote:Just to be clear, what form of badiness do you think I am Ninju?

Most likely Master. What's the actual big deal with Bass? Something about Hedgeowl or some theory he (Bass) came up with? That's all I've gleaned so far.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?

Catching up...ugh. I knew I shouldn't have left it to tonight, but I wanted to read Harry Potter and play Sporcle instead last night :P

I am also a user of the Sporcle.

YESSSSSSS God I think I have an addiction but not a bad enough one to care because I'm a beast at geography now

Chris wrote:No NO.. keep that vote on me Ninju.

HAVE SOME FUCKING CONVICTION!

I ain't changin', hon. I'm just correcting myself before someone else does. It's the English teacher in me.

Ugh, this is what happens when I don't get a vacation - I didn't notice MM voted Chris. Scratch what I said about saving teammates.

I need a drink.

Ah, yes. In my brief studies (still working) I remember what had pinged me recently about Chris - the whole "well, we COULD lynch MM knowing his role, but it's a waste because he's vanilla if the Master is still alive" (I could quote the post, but it's long as hell so I choose to paraphrase). He then repeated what he had said a few days ago about "Well, if I WERE the Master, you'd be wasting a lynch, so let's look elsewhere." He already said this before as a defense. I took it the first time and let it by, thinking "yeah, that would be a waste, huh?" But using the same defense again? How long can we let the Master slip away like that if he is the Master? Even if the lynch doesn't work, it sure would reveal something and give Strax the chance to finish the job. And saying MM/Lucy Saxon is not a threat sounds like trying to keep his teammate(s) alive while putting suspicion on others...

I'll still look back for Bass stuff, but I'm putting my vote on Chris for now.

Elohcin wrote:I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?

Catching up...ugh. I knew I shouldn't have left it to tonight, but I wanted to read Harry Potter and play Sporcle instead last night :P

As of right now, I'm confused about why so many people are voting Bass (mostly because I haven't caught up), so I'm gonna try to figure that out. And while I said I trusted Chris a few days ago, the more I've been reading (or trying to read), the more he becomes suspicious. Epi's pointing out that sabie checked him and voted for him consistently makes me think (as it seems to make a few others think) that either he's got a helluva role she wanted to get rid of as a baddie (i.e., the Master), or a helluva Civ role she wanted out (which would seem rather odd, given that that would certainly raise suspicion gunning after a Civ so many times).

Anyway, I'll be back with further thoughts. I hope. And I hope the above comment isn't so far behind that it sounds terribly stupid, but oh well. Such is life.

I don't even know if any of that made sense. I'm so fucking burned out and tired from work I don't even know half of what I'm saying anymore

juliets wrote:ninjablooper, glad to see you here. Can you share with us what you think about any of these players being talked about or even someone not being talked about lately? I'm not asking for a big case, just some thoughts.

Just so I don't leave you hanging, I'm catching up a bit - I honestly missed the whole case on sabie, so that'll give you an idea of how far behind I am

As far as Epi goes, I really do think he's just burned out. I've said it before and I'll say it again - people say he acts strange/different/like a baddie, but he really just acts like himself, so it's not particularly weird behavior to me. Even though I know I'm a quieter player, I advocate having a look at quieter players, since surely not all of the baddies are out in the open like he is.

Are people saying Chris is the Master? I think I saw that a few pages back, but haven't gotten a chance to see exactly why this is so. I'm begrudgingly willing to glean posts and posts for it, but I'd much appreciate the shortened version if someone can oblige me

Linki: Interesting you say that, MP. My comment is certainly not out of dislike of quieter players (obviously); it's really an observation. The problem is, it's hard to build a case against them without looking like, well, you don't like their quietness.

Hedgeowl wrote:Wow, you leave the thread for an hour and come back to dog balls...

Yeeeeeep, definitely wasn't expecting that. Yikes

Sorry for my lack of participation this weekend. I've done a lot of visiting and had visitors, and I'm now exhausted and ready for bed. I see many have voted for Biblios, which I have no problem with because books are awesome. Just because I'm in a relaxed mood, I'm voting Florana because it sounds the most peaceful (from the DW wiki) and I'm sleepy.

WB MP, bye bye sabie, and goodnight all, I'll see you tomorrow!

I'm currently visiting the loveliest people in the world and watching Ladykillers (we switched it up) and will not have a chance to catch up on the last several pages of the thread that have suddenly appeared. It seems Chris has brought more suspicion on himself, but it seems it might be for the same stuff. I'm not particularly suspicious of Epi, and not enough to vote him. Def not sure ab the sabie votes. If it's spreading the vote, whatever, but I'm comfortable voting Dana (yeah I saw her post ab SD being daisy and not being snowy, but other points I made and others have against her look valid), so I'm putting my vote there so I don't miss the vote.

also might be slightly drunk due to terrible terrible influences at said wonderful people's place of residence so apologies for typos and whatnot:D

Hello, all! Checking in so I don't get too behind. Yay good result! Bye bye, daleks!

Just to address concerns, I'll be perfectly honest - my vote for Roxy wasn't on super-strong suspicion for her. As I had been reading Chris and people's responses/proddings throughout the day, I'd been feeling more and more like he was good and trying to defend himself (and unfortunately looking floundery/desperate while doing it). By the evening, I stated I was going back and forth on it, but in the end really felt in my gut that lynching him would be the wrong decision, and thought that the way to make my vote count towards what I believed was by voting Roxy, who had votes and who had people making decent points against her (which, as we can see now, were rightful suspicions). I could be horribly, horribly wrong, but I think Chris is good, and I acted on that conviction. We'll see how it plays out.

I'm happy to answer anything else It might not be tonight (again, I'd like to read instead of staring at a screen for hours, as I do it for a good part of my day at work), but I will get to it (especially since Russian porn virus has now been eradicated from work computer! Ypa!).

Also, all of those options look delicious, but man do I love a good breakfast burrito with plenty of hot sauce. You should totally eat that, and then a crunchy salad.

Ah. It was this post, Chris, that made me think you were suspecting SVS with your pondering for her vote:

Chris wrote:SVS, did you miss the part where I said I was trying to get into the game before it even started?

Why would I review a role and decide whether or not I wanted it? I wanted it. They needed a replacement for rey, I took it.

You have an incorrect assumption on how I would approach a game.

Also, you seem rather fippant about wanting to lynch a civ...

But you know what? My gut feeling earlier (and now) is telling me not to vote you (and, after all, you made a good point - if you ARE the Master, we'd be wasting a lynch. Yeah, others have different feelings about that, but I'm in the "well that really is a waste" camp). What's being said about Roxy's insincerity has credence and has been said throughout the game, whereas when I read the suspicions against Chris, they look like nitpicking to make an easy lynch in just this last Day period.

I'd like to actually read my nerdy linguistics book tonight, and I'd like to make this interesting, regardless of what it may make me look like to the other Civs - I'm voting Roxy, because I don't feel Chris is bad, and it seems that might be the way to at least make my vote count towards what I feel. So there.

Linki @ host post: Ooh, the plot thickens! This just makes my un-suspicion of Chris just a bit stronger.

Hmm. I've been reading and I'm very undecided.

My mind keeps changing about Chris as I read the thread. Several people point out his question of whether or not the lynch was a tie was suspicious because it put Amy in danger, but I don't see the question as having those intentions (it was something I'm sure several of us were wondering...). Also, he could read like a desperate Civvie trying to fight back against accusations...but he could also read like a floundering baddie/Indy. Survival of two NK attempts? I don't even know what to think of that. I suppose logic would point to the Master since he has three kill blocks, versus having a Civ protection and then a possible prize or other unknown protection. And really, he DOES seem to be suspecting those coming after them as they're coming after them (the one that really caught my eye was SVS...RIGHT AFTER she made a post about him). I need a moment.

As for Roxy, I still don't quite understand the argument against her - from what I've gathered, people are accusing her of being hypocritical for forcing Epi to make LD statements, while she doesn't make a good one herself? I'm pretty sure there's more to the argument than that, but can someone enlighten me further?

I need a shower. I will ponder this. Hopefully more insight will come.

Nice job, guys! Unexpected result, but great nonetheless!

Voting Who-themed, because it is the right choice. (But if it's non-Who themed, I won't cry. Too much.)

birdwithteeth11 wrote:To echo bea's sentiments, the lynch post will go up sometime before 11:30 EST probably, but I'm not sure when before that. I just told her to not feel like she's rushed and to take her time.

Also, I would like to add that there were a surprisingly significant lack of entries for our contest today. In fact, well over half of the players didn't submit anything (Okay, fine. It was only two people to give you the actual number). We throw out bones to you guys in the form of contests and prizes, and you all don't seem to care.

You are off the hook this time. And I know that entries these contests are technically voluntary. But if we don't start getting more participation in the future i.e. more than two people, we may have to consider consequences for not doing so.

And really, I have no desire to do such a thing. So just be kind and humor us with this kthx.

Oh no! And I even had one for real! I just totally forgot to send it in the excitement of this weekend Sorry, hosts!

Howdy do, everyone! Sorry for being MIA - I meant to get on last night and catch up, but I went to a haunted house instead with someone unexpected visitors. Based on the wait time, the amount I paid, and the attraction itself...I wish I'd been here instead :P

I see many are gunning for Epi's lynch. From what I've read, many people are getting on him about not making a lie detector statement about being a robot/Cyberman, and others are claiming that his second coming (haha he'll dig that) is more evasive than the first. I'll say he's a slippery fish until I figure him out, which I assume will be never. With that being said, I don't see him as being any more evasive than his first self/usual self, and I am not surprised he's refusing to give a straight answer to the LD. That's pretty him if you ask me, and I don't know why people are so sure that he's bad right now. The guy's already been lynched this game, and I think others are more probable candidates.

Like Dana. I've read your adamant defense of Dana, MP, and it doesn't really change my mind about her. She might be RL busy, yes. But she has dropped off since Night 4, and who has been lynched/killed in the wake? The very people she had been defending - Enrique and Made (although when things started to go sour towards Made, she began to "see" that his behavior was strange). She has been very...what's the word? Agreeing? Blendy? Earlier she had pinged me for some reason and I couldn't quite remember why, but I went back and read posts from when she had made the following statement:

Dana wrote: I really feel like they were both civ, and we should take a closer look at the people who have been more along the sidelines. I'm not sure exactly who that would be, but I don't think the Epig lynch was a save. It seemed more like two civ options, and for me at least, I went with the person I felt slightly more sure was bad.

The other person she referred to was Snow Dog. So, already drawing attention away from her bad vote for Epi with the ambiguous term "seemed," which could be interpreted as "Hey, I figured out I made a bad vote, so it seemed now like a Civ vs. Civ vote" OR "Oh, I wasn't sure about the vote, he seemed bad at the time I voted, but that's clear now that people are pointing out my behavior." Then, when splints called her out on it, she responded thusly:

Dana wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Dana - It seemed like two civvie options, yet you still voted one? I'm a little confused with your wording here.

Correct. It seems now, after Epig's role has been revealed, that they were both civvie. I voted one because I was more sure SD was good than I was was about Epi, so I don't think we should vote SD today because the night post implied that we'd be in big trouble if we lynch another civ.

Called out again, then she responds thusly:

Dana wrote: I didn't feel both options in the last lynch were civ at the time the lynch was happening. I explained already that I feel that way now that Epig's role has been revealed. Meaning I thought SD was civ and I still do even after what happened. I did vote for who I thought was bad, and I was wrong.

There are multiple posts defending Snow Dog (I will not quote all of them because they are very easy to find if you search her posts), but all of a sudden this post comes along Day 2:

Dana wrote: Snow Dog's recent vote switch really bothered me. I said before how I was slightly suspicious of Snow Dog following MP's vote yesterday(?). The asking who to vote for and just placing his vote on whoever's the most likely to be lynched at that time is not sitting well with me. You're being super fishy, friend.

She then votes SD out of the blue, after multiple defense posts of him, and then seems surprised:

Dana wrote:Okay, whoa, did not expect that to happen. I was strongly considering voting for Snow Dog back when I made the post saying his vote switched bothered me, but I got distracted with calc homework that was due at 11 and forgot to actually do the vote until the last minute. This was a really surprising turn of events, but hopefully we'll get a good result.

Surprised at what? The lynch? At the fact that others voted for SD? Because she voted pretty close to the deadline, out of nowhere, so I don't really know why any of that would be a surprise. She never really provided the explanation she promised about him, likely in hopes that people would stop taking notice of her second bad vote. Then, as others have pointed out, she asked if Snow Dog 2.0 could comment on his former self, which by itself is a pretty innocuous question, but thinking of it in the context of "Oh shit, I voted him for no plausible reason and he's back from the dead," I can see where others are coming from now.

And now she has disappeared. Busy? Maybe. Hiding? I believe so. Voting Dana.

Quick post before I go to bed so I don't miss the night poll (I wanted to post earlier and was in the process of doing so more substantially, but I have been nonstop doing stuff since earlier this evening, soooo...). I'm voting Poosh because a) I've always liked its name, b) it's a lovely vacation spot, and c) I've wanted to know what it's like since it lost its moon. Never got to see it.

Okay. Sorry. Exhausted. So exhausted that I'm leaving all the dishes in the sink and all the laundry unfolded in the basket. Buenas noches.

At the risk of being looked at as one of the last people to vote on a huuuuuuuuuge list of votes for Enrique...I'm going to vote Enrique. I think good points are made about him. Should I re-hash what's already been said? (Odd save-like voting by Made, behavior I mentioned in the first vote, etc.) My suspicion of him didn't disappear since I originally voted him long ago; Made just happened to look more suspicious and therefore, more deserving of my lynch vote. But now that he's gone...here we are. This lynch should be telling.

On another note of discussion besides Enrique vs. MP, why are people so confident that Dana is good? This is a genuine question (not an accusation), but the more I've been playing this game and reading through, the more she's catching my eye. Was there something that I missed that would point to her definite Civvie-ness? Because I didn't catch that, and she's been dropping off these last few days with her buddies mentioned...I also see others sharing my suspicion, mind you, but I see adamant defense of her, too, which has me more than a little curious.

That...was an interesting lynch. I'm still not sure how or why people seemed so worried about it during the lynch period itself, like they knew it would turn out like that (I know I didn't see it coming, but then again, I haven't had the time/energy/small enough group to stay in the thread to speculate like I could for Clue. Ah, Clue, how I miss you). Of course, the result is concerning, but it certainly doesn't change my mind about Made. I don't buy his argument, and I'm inclined, like many others, to believe that a Civ wouldn't vote for himself/herself in the manner that Made did.

For the record, and at the risk of making MP more mad (sorry, MP! Anger is not my goal here), but I agree that you've been all over the place this game, and it would be very convenient for you to be able to go back and retract any sour vote for a Civ by going back to a random speculation made in the game. I've tried to follow you, but you haven't been consistent, and that makes me feel iffy about you now.

Damn all of you voting way before me and making me the tail end (I'd vote earlier in the day, but my work computer has a Russian porn virus that likes to pop up when I'm on any other site but Google. Two weeks and counting waiting for the tech people to fix that shit). Anyway, I don't care if I'm the tail end - I'm voting Rexel 4 because I'm teaching Macbeth and my kids just did research on witchcraft today (and, subsequently, a student's phone decided to vibrate uncontrollably for no reason after he learned about the Macbeth--I mean, Scottish Play curse). Got witchcraft on the mind, love the Shakespeare Code, and as several people have pointed out, it has no clear connection to any baddie team that we know of.

There. Now, to finish assembling this apple tart.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote Made. From what I've read so far since yesterday, it seems the conversation hasn't changed much, so my mind hasn't changed. I've got a shit-ton of grading to do tonight and it's another late Day ending on a "school night," so I likely won't be back until tomorrow sometime.

OH MY GOD I THINK I CAUGHT UP.

I think. Thoughts, and then I must travel once again.

1) Welcome back, various replacements that I didn't get to welcome back!

2) That Snow Dog lynch was just as shady as I thought when I posted previously without having read the thread. I believe one or two had voted for him at first without a save in mind, then when Made votes started to pile up, people began switching around and/or voting SD at the last minute. Looks like a save, as others have said.

3) My thoughts haven't changed on Made. Yes, the major argument is that his game this time around has been markedly different from any other game we've played with him, and he was Civvie in all those games. I believe this is a valid argument because, as someone mentioned (I'm sorry for the "someones" instead of actual names, but I just spent an hour catching up and I'm not going back through at the moment for specifics; ask if you want them), he was more helpful/speculative then. In other games he spent the majority of time filling the thread with speculations and bouncing ideas off with other people. Sometimes it was helpful, other times it made things a lot harder for those of us who check in periodically to keep up with the thread to, well, keep up, since he was so ridiculously talkative. But this game? He talks little, and harps on the same points, then disappears when the conversation gets back to him between several people (not just one or two). He's doing almost no idea bouncing this game. And it's not like he hasn't been busy in other games (he was practicing for tests, etc. and said so in the thread). That looks like a baddie flying under the radar. So his behavior is not only "different," but not particularly helpful to the Civvie cause.

4) Interesting points being made about the whole "Made defends Enrique" by Epi, then Enrique says he suspects Made, then goes back (and yes, points to this change directly, but still) and defends Made again. I know I had suspected him earlier in the game, then didn't really look back at him because of Made, but I will definitely re-read him.

I have more thoughts, but God I'm starving and I'm going to visit friends I haven't seen in ages tonight, so I'm going to leave my thoughts there for now (also, my posts serve as an excellent bookmark for myself when I will probably have to catch up again tomorrow :P). Unless something radical happens, my vote will go again to Made.

RIP Snow Dog I'll have to have a look at went down at the end yesterday, because I didn't see that coming at all. Busy night and day

Just so I'm voting near the time the hosts want, I'm going with Chris :P I'll catch up later when I'm done (yet again) traveling out of town. This will be a trend in October (the traveling part).

I don't really understand the sudden Hedge votes much (something about not responding to Roxy? And then still not responding? And then finally responding now?), certainly not enough to vote her. I am not risking missing the vote again, and at this point I'm most comfortable voting Made for reasons I've already stated, so I'm gonna go ahead and do that. I'll do my best to check back periodically but I've got a busy night of baking stuff for tomorrow. And as it's a weeknight, I definitely won't be awake for the poll ending, sadly. Blooper out for now.

Linki - Ah, a more concise explanation! Thanks, SVS. Still not voting Hedge, but I understand the accusation slightly better.

Hello, good people! I figured it'd be a good idea to make a post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Other impressions as I re-read some folks:

Interestingly, it seems Enrique votes have come throughout the game from players who are riding really under the radar.

BR missed vote D1, voted Enrique D2, expressed she intends to vote Enrique D3... not much else really
Bass voted Enrique D1 and D2 and essentially everything else he has said was that Epig was acting like his normal self
Ninja Blooper seems to also carry the Enrique suspicion in D1 saying it was the most suspicious thing in the game but she never mentioned it again and hasn't mentioned anything else re: suspicions

Oi! Just because I'm quieter doesn't mean I haven't voiced suspicions. Honestly, I fell off the Enrique suspicion because I failed to keep up after Day 1 and am attempting to jump back on. It's like trying to catch a moving train, and every time I think I can grab the door, it speeds up. I'm finding I'm much more comfortable in smaller games, but that's beside the point, I suppose. Anyway, not that Enrique is completely off the radar, but he certainly isn't the most suspicious anymore.

Now Made on the other hand - I did voice in my last posts that I have suspicion for Made because his playstyle in this game has been absolutely different, and that suspicion hasn't changed. The tone of his posts looks different. More serious. Is he becoming a more serious player? Who knows? But it's a drastic change from any other game I've played with him or seen him in, and all of those he's been Civ. His recent response to Dom's suspicions of him really pinged me, calling him a hypocrite and joking in a manner uncharacteristic of his previous games (and just in case that gets misconstrued, I don't mean the joking was inappropriate; just very, very different and darker).

I looked over Daisy and I just don't see it. Y'all that know her might see something, but she reads Civ, and her responses to her accusations read frustrated Civ. I'm waffling (I hate to use that word, but at the moment I can't think of any other) on Dana - she seemed a lot more suspicious yesterday, but now I'm not so sure. Not as suspicious as Made looks to me.

There. Now, I need to actually have good sleep hygiene and turn my electronics off before bed so I can sleep through the night for once. Also need to do my hair to look swank for Decades Day (homecoming week is still fun for teachers!). And the cat is sad I'm not paying attention to her. That's probably more about my life than you care to know about, but there it is :P

Lots of linki! But I really gotta go!

Re-reading her posts (which are a blessedly low number!), I don't really see anything that pings me about Daisy. I've not really played with her much before, and in the games where I did play she was either quieter than me or had to drop out for RL reasons, so I don't have a feel whether or not she is being contrived. It looks to me like her suspicions are consistent and the reaction to her being accused seems normal.

S~V~S wrote:Wow, Blooper was in and out of here fast! And it is possible that the hosts made subject/tense errors. In context your/he makes sense.

Haha I wasn't kidding when I said I was making pumpkin gingerbread (also, it's good for my health to close the mafia screen every once in a while :P)

I'll have to look at Daisy, because I didn't really get a feel for her - what was the major argument against her? From what I saw, it seemed that MP raised suspicion of her, she reacted, and MP said her reaction made her even more suspicious.

Also wow, more stuff. Good puzzle solving, y'all!

GOOD GOD I posted less than three hours ago and three pages appeared. I think I've caught up, or (honestly) what I'm able to catch up with at this point. Thoughts:

1) That was a fast and furious lynch in the end, but not surprising, at least in my history of playing the game. From what I did get while I was being more diligent, I didn't see Epi as bad, but he can go either way for me. Essentially, there was nothing un-Epi about his behavior that would lead me to believe he was especially bad. RIP, dude, and wish I'd been around to add to the discussion.

2) Perhaps others have commented on this, but I didn't see it in the seven pages I read, but Made has been super quiet this game - was he silenced yesterday? He mentioned nothing of the sort. In the games I've played with him, he's taken up half the pages with responses/ideas, but he's not doing any of that in this game. If I missed something, feel free to enlighten me, but that has me looking at him in a suspicious manner.

3) Also curious about Dana and the whole "I have no idea" turning into "well, I don't want to accuse/vote Enrique or Made because I know them" turning into "No, I think they're Civvie" also reads odd. Ping-y.

In these big games, it is very difficult for me to keep up with more than 3-4 people at a time, which is why I don't have an explanation/read for every person. I can comment as we go, since I plan on paying more attention (since Clue isn't taking my attention anymore ). I'm also one of those that gets her bearings later in big games, so while I'll post little, I'll generally try to make meaty posts when I can.

As for tonight's voting:
a) Not going to Clom. Not going to deal with body-absorbing monsters in the planet adjacent to fart monsters.
b) I know nothing about Darp, and the Internet is no help, although its name makes me giggle. Darp. Tee hee.
c) Grolon - Uhhhh only thing that comes up is Grolon Rat, which is an aquatic rat that strips its prey to the bones. Ew. No. God no. (It also has the Captain Cook description, but that tells me nothing.)
d) I immediately gravitated towards Karn, since hey, sisterhood (can't resist a good sisterhood) and proximity to Gallifrey and supposed allies. Its now-dead terrain, shitty weather, and evil time lord turn me off a bit, but it's still better than fart monster proximity and rats that eat your face. Also, Elixir of Life sounds pretty swank.
e) I know next to nothing about Periboea, and apparently neither does the Internet, except the business with Captain Cook. (BTW, thanks Gotrees for the planet recap - what I couldn't find in a Google search, I tried to match it up/fill in the spaces with your commentary!)

So, while a lot of people have already voted Karn, it still seems like the best place to go next if we want something good to come out of the trip. Or at least know more of what to expect. Going with that.

And now, perhaps I'll have a look at these description puzzles to help...But not before I bake some pumpkin gingerbread. Mmm.

Guys - I am super sorry I missed the lynch poll last night. That's not how I play, and I feel terrible about it. Long story short, my brain thought the poll ended tomorrow, which doesn't even make sense and I know it. I am absolutely going to catch up and offer more thoughts (I've been quieter than usual this game and I really haven't meant to do so; I've just been doing a balancing act between a ridiculous workload and play, and I should be able to dedicate more time now). The hosts are doing a fantastic job, and I'd like to do the game justice by participating fully.

Will post on-topic later (for real this time).