The Syndicate

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also as an addendum I forgot to add in. People who are dead are eligible to participate. And if we do the non-Who-themed one, your hosts will also be playing.

I've said too much.

I can't be sure if it's plural, but I figured? Weeping Angel, Lucy Saxon, one more space. I don't think The Valeyard is in the game.

So much more I wanna add but I don't wanna mess up even more

@MP: Sorry for the stressful last few days, look forward to playing with you again!

Well, guys, this is it. Sorry I sucked so much in this game. I was actually trying to be a good civvie, I swear! I was screwed the moment it became me vs Made, but ah well. Lots of fun! Thanks Bea and BWT for the great game. I died wayyy too early in Monty Python, and now I'm completely addicted to Mafia again I don't know if I want to play two games at once, but whether it's in Zelda or Monopoly, you'll see me again soon.

i herd da rumor dat The Weeping Angels are in the game. I don't know what they do, but beware them.

What am I gonna do after I die in this game

Hey Dana, made up your mind yet?

I've continued to mention MM in my posts, sorry if I'm not as convinced about him as you.

I... put the spotlight on him in the first place. I was a little too busy defending myself on Day 4. The post I just quoted addresses any point you think you made in your last post, so there.

Enrique wrote:In case I die tonight, which I don't think is likely, but still wanna be prepared for the worst. Keep in mind how MP and Made's last second votes created a wide margin between us, a wide enough margin that I wouldn't get automatically lynched and Made wouldn't immediately be outed as bad.

Seconds before the poll ended, it was 12-11 to Made. If we tied, a coin flipped, and I got lynched, Made would have been outed. MP needed to change his vote so that wouldn't happen, or maybe he was afraid of somebody coming in last second and tying up the poll. Them both voting at the last second makes it look like poor coordination: MP would have been freaking out the deadline was there and Made hadn't voted, or vice-versa.

This fits perfectly with MP's last second vote to save Made in Day 3. I honestly never thought the Snow Dog case was a save, but I'm beginning to have doubts about MP and Dana (not to mention MM's dodgy behavior), and it just happens to fit in perfectly with the events of Day 4.

MP thinks that because I've turned on him "I'm bad as fuck," but put yourself in my position. I haven't been defending MP and Dana all game because I had any sort of info, but because I found myself agreeing with their points a lot and found myself in similar positions. But that doesn't mean shit. I'm being played and set up for a lynch. The Monty Python endgame (which I obviously can't talk about in detail) also has me wondering about my propensity to trust in players that I can agree with. I've been a crappy civvie thus far in the game, and I'm not gonna pin that on anybody else, but I shouldn't trust people so easily.

MP and Made have to be bad, and while I'm less sure about her, the Dana connection comes naturally. I'll make sure to get a better read on her if I still can tomorrow.

linki- You were also a leading lynch candidate going into Day 4, but then you decided to go MIA and the votes were completely split between me and Made. Sorry, man, I don't believe you.

Couldn't read a more recent post, pal?

holy shit the amount of typoes in that post

I'm really tired ok

I mean, Dom, that he succesfully convinced you not to vote for him.

Juliets, Made's lynch was always going to end up with my own. I went over a few possibilities after the lynch. I haven't posted a lot since, so it should be easy to find, but I think the plan was to great a gap between our votes so that he wouldn't be outed as bad when I had one vote less and got lynched anyway. Note how before the night post MP was advocating for Made's civvieness. They thought they could get away with it, but I was screwed one way or another.

If Made had survived the night, I'd still be winning the poll, wouldn't I? It was always lose-lose for me.

WIFOM so hard. Alex and Made played all of you guys, so props for the well executed plan

What, you're more confident about me than Alex, now?

juliets, SVS, DF, Dom, MM, Roxy. I haven't caught up and at this point it seems totally moot, but are you sure you actually changed your minds? Because I wouldn't have expected any of you to vote for me if there hadn't been this massive push

Oh man what? I thought I'd already responded today. Sorry, so many naps and dreams confuse the brain.

Well I'm fucked for today, that's clear for all to see. How many of these votes do you think are just trying to blend in? Alex wanted to steer you guys away from him, and he did it. There's no way all these people thought I was bad, or that I was their prime suspect.

I was set up by MP+Made, possibly Dana. Just remember that.

Sweet, Dylan. I'm listening to music rn and it's bed after but I'll make sure to check them out tomorrow.

Hey, hosts, why is zeek still on the poll?

Dom wrote:Or wants to be lynched

Or he wants us to think he wants to be lynched.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Can you at least sub out MP?

It's not purely an RL move, trust me. If it were, I would have asked to be replaced. I have every intention of fulfilling my duties this game. I just am simultaneously proving a point (and providing information), confirming my civvieness, and I promise the damage will be minimal.

Anyone can see that I'm an inevitable lynch candidate, and I've thought about it a lot, and I need to go now. Not later.

Linki: Dom, I have my reasons. Just trust me on this.

How many baddies have we actually, definitely killed? And you want to go tossing yourself away? RL aside, I don't think that's a good move.

Of course it isn't. Does anybody think he actually believes the benefits of lynching a civvie outweigh those of lynching a baddie? He's fishing for sympathy.

Dylan, you might be able to answer this. "The upgrade had failed" before the Cybermen killed zeek? What does that mean?

Very bold, MP, but I don't want you to take it back when it doesn't pay off.

Strax.

RIP zeek You were top of my civ list, and though I have been reconsidering a lot of it, I was still pretty sure about you. You will be avenged if I make it through the day.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And yes, I realize it came across as harsh, but I incredibly firmly believe you are bad, and that's why I attempted to lighten the mood with my post subsequent.

The feeling's mutual!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sig bet me then, Enri. If you're so sure that I'm bad all of a sudden after defending me hard all game. Also, you're TOTALLY lying, most of the game we haven't agreed.

Let's do it. Sig bets are an awful way to try to get sympathy and steer the lynch away from you, but yeah why not

I think we've agreed about a fair number of things. I didn't spend so long defending you for nothing. We were together in the juliets and Snow Dog lynches, defended some of the same players. Biggest difference opinion I can think of (other than you coming after me on Day 1) is regarding SD, but even that I just shrugged off as you being overly paranoid.

I hope you die tonight.

Well that's harsh

linki @ Epig- I pretty much agree, but nobody would have any doubts if my suggested scenario had happened.

In case I die tonight, which I don't think is likely, but still wanna be prepared for the worst. Keep in mind how MP and Made's last second votes created a wide margin between us, a wide enough margin that I wouldn't get automatically lynched and Made wouldn't immediately be outed as bad.

Seconds before the poll ended, it was 12-11 to Made. If we tied, a coin flipped, and I got lynched, Made would have been outed. MP needed to change his vote so that wouldn't happen, or maybe he was afraid of somebody coming in last second and tying up the poll. Them both voting at the last second makes it look like poor coordination: MP would have been freaking out the deadline was there and Made hadn't voted, or vice-versa.

This fits perfectly with MP's last second vote to save Made in Day 3. I honestly never thought the Snow Dog case was a save, but I'm beginning to have doubts about MP and Dana (not to mention MM's dodgy behavior), and it just happens to fit in perfectly with the events of Day 4.

MP thinks that because I've turned on him "I'm bad as fuck," but put yourself in my position. I haven't been defending MP and Dana all game because I had any sort of info, but because I found myself agreeing with their points a lot and found myself in similar positions. But that doesn't mean shit. I'm being played and set up for a lynch. The Monty Python endgame (which I obviously can't talk about in detail) also has me wondering about my propensity to trust in players that I can agree with. I've been a crappy civvie thus far in the game, and I'm not gonna pin that on anybody else, but I shouldn't trust people so easily.

MP and Made have to be bad, and while I'm less sure about her, the Dana connection comes naturally. I'll make sure to get a better read on her if I still can tomorrow.

linki- You were also a leading lynch candidate going into Day 4, but then you decided to go MIA and the votes were completely split between me and Made. Sorry, man, I don't believe you.

Anything else, Dana? What do you think went down on Day 4? What do you have to say to the suggestion that you're Made and MP's teammate?

Turnip Head wrote:Voted Rexel 4.

If I die tonight, please consider my thoughts on MP and Dana. I believe they could both be Made's teamies.

If they all turn out to be bad, my first 3 days performance will be worthy of the Hall of Shame.

Epignosis has been on the same thing since before he replaced in. If he had any info he wouldn't have been allowed to come back.

Well, 3 of the 4 are connected to Daleks or Cybermen. Rexel 4 or whatever has spooky witches but I think we can deal with that.

Just answering your question

Considering we're voting for the next planet we're going to and we've had two polls like this before (in one people had info and in the other we saw the results)... yes, Chris, that seems like a fair assumption.

linki- During my first game on LP, keys made a lie detector statement saying "I'm 100% mafia" and he got lynched for it. He was civ. It was pretty funny.

keys can we get a statement saying you're 100% mafia???

Voted Rexel bc all the others have baddie connections.

linki- I dunno man that's why I'm asking!

No, you're just taking a cop out of any votes tomorrow. If I quit every time somebody gave me a baseless accusation this game, I'd have quit four times for every day phase.

Hiding worked well to spare you of any votes yesterday, Alex, you can't pull the same trick on two consecutive days.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seems pretty likely that Made is bad, but I find it interesting everyone is jumping to conclusions. He very well may be the Dalek Emperor, or even The Master, but I see one civvie role that fits exactly the behavior that he was claiming (he wasn't sure if he'd survive, but he knows why he did). Funny that people are ignoring that option.

If he is Dalek Emperor and were targeted with an NK, he would die. If he were that civvie role, then I suppose he could die or live, I don't really know. And if he is The Master, then surely he would survive. So... whether anyone wants to target him with an NK, I don't know if it makes sense to or not. But it's up to them.

I think we should lynch Enrique tomorrow, assuming he doesn't die during the night, but if my suspicions are correct, then he won't.

And assuming this is true, which makes a lot of assumptions so I'm hesitant to declare it, but if Made is Dalek Emperor and Enrique is Cyber Controller, then we definitely had a baddie v. baddie on different teams dynamic going on yesterday, which might actually make some sense. But I suppose we'll find out.

Oh, and Made, I was trying to bring LC to everyone's attention long before you.

You're so bad...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and I forgot to address this in that post:

Snow Dog, you asked why I changed my vote? I was prepared to change it because I was fully expecting Made to vote Enrique, changing the vote from 11 v. 12 to 12 v. 12, and I even had it open in a different window. I did not want a "tie". Then I saw that he voted himself, but I went ahead and changed my vote anyway, thinking, it doesn't really hurt to have extra space in between both the voters.

Is that what happened, or were you trying to make sure there was a substantial vote difference so you could frame me at the last second? Now you can be like "OK, Made is a civvie now" hoping that when I get lynched tomorrow (because let's be real here that's probably gonna happen) and I flip civ you can keep Made alive anyway.

I admit I have a weakness in Mafia to think that all the people I find myself agreeing with are good. Fuck that. I knew the moment I read the end of this lynch that MP and Made are fucking with us in this desperate attempt to buy Made more time while also wasting a lynch on me. Made is probably the Dalek Emperor, and whichever one MP is, they're both bad as fuck.

re: Chris and MM, I actually kinda buy Chris' explanation, which sucks because I thought I was onto something. Chris some clarity might help next time

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seems pretty likely that Made is bad, but I find it interesting everyone is jumping to conclusions. He very well may be the Dalek Emperor, or even The Master, but I see one civvie role that fits exactly the behavior that he was claiming (he wasn't sure if he'd survive, but he knows why he did). Funny that people are ignoring that option.

If he is Dalek Emperor and were targeted with an NK, he would die. If he were that civvie role, then I suppose he could die or live, I don't really know. And if he is The Master, then surely he would survive. So... whether anyone wants to target him with an NK, I don't know if it makes sense to or not. But it's up to them.

The way Enrique and Made voted seemed to me they were team mates with Made being unlynchable. Made voted himself to make as sure as possible Enrique didn't get lynched.

Yeah, that's very possible, I think Enrique is bad either way. I just think it's possible they were opposing baddies but based on their behavior it could go that way for sure.

There's the chance Made is that civvie role I was talking about, which scares me, but I'm not sure his behavior lines up with it.

Made is not a civvie role. You spent the last few hours of the lynch last night denying the possibility that Made could be the Dalek Emperor because you knew he would be. You were "unsure" about me the whole game, but then raise the most contrived points ever because this was your plan all along. I appear as Made's teammate he was trying to save, I get lynched, I'm a civvie, oh! So Made probably is a civvie too! I thought we were inevitably linked??

That can be a problem vote changes. I don't think most of Snow Dog's votes were any kind of save, but two consecutive last second changes do make you wonder. You were trying to put Made's lynch off until you could pin somebody else as his teammate.

But yeah, there's no way I don't get lynched tomorrow. But just so you know, thread, once I'm gone... MP is the way to go

MovingPictures07 wrote:

zeek wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I know that I am saying maybe Enri survived for some other reason and they are both bad teammates. It's a speculation anyway so what's it matter? They can either be teammates or they are both on different teams but it seems pretty likely to me based on behavior that they're both bad. I don't understand your point.

No, when have you said that? I thought you were voting for me because I survived the NK? But if I didn't survive from being the Cyberman Head then what the hell are you trying to lynch me for??

I have class in a few mins and I just woke up lol. I'll be back in an hour or two. Made and MP are bad, I'll eat my hat if they aren't.

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Enrique, I haven't seen you lead the charge against Mafia either, but I'm not going to bring that up. Because it's irrelevant. As is your record, whatever that is. Frankly, I haven't seen you leading the charge against anything.

I HAVE, however, in the course of a single event, seen you waste three civilians.

My point being I wouldn't be so quick to follow you. And no, my vote against juliets1.0 wasn't following your case, before you even bring that up.

So you are telling me that, had I never raised jul1ets' name that day, you would have voted there- is that so?

Yes, I am saying that. You give yourself too much credit.

Epignosis wrote:Enrique, I haven't seen you lead the charge against Mafia either, but I'm not going to bring that up. Because it's irrelevant. As is your record, whatever that is. Frankly, I haven't seen you leading the charge against anything.

I HAVE, however, in the course of a single event, seen you waste three civilians.

My point being I wouldn't be so quick to follow you. And no, my vote against juliets1.0 wasn't following your case, before you even bring that up.

Epignosis wrote:

Enrique wrote:I'd like a look at your track record so far. A quick skim of the Hall of Fame tells me you've never won a game as a civvie, and I've never seen you lead the charge against a baddie. Can I take a look at your credentials?

It's true I've never won as a civilian. That's because I get Night killed very early. Many of you know that is true. I only get to stick around is when I ruin the civilians myself (Harry Potter). The only reason I made it to the end of The Hobbit was because I bought protections with my gold (and earned a LOT of gold). Someone still tried to kill me.

But look at the other games. I get killed early a LOT.

So what does my Hall of Fame record have to do with my credentials? Why bring it up? Is it to discredit me? Why am I the ONLY person Enrique thought to examine in this manner?

"And I've never seen you lead the charge against a baddie." That's right. I don't do that. Right Dom? Right MP? Right S~V~S? Right Roxy? Right Elohcin? Right bea? Oops, sorry- bea can't answer that.

You had already responded to this. Why do you think? Because I know you're leading the charge against a civvie right now and because we've disagreed on pretty much everything the whole time we've played together.

I haven't seen you do that, sorry, that's just how it is.

keys56000000000 wrote:I voted Enrique in reaction to Zeek's vote switch.

... to cause a tie and potentially get the civvie lynched?

I'm gonna say, Alex, and you know I love you, this is the second dumbest thing I've ever been accused of lying about in Mafia. Epig's "he obviously didn't have a bad day and was super happy an hour ago" still comes first.

And it's a terrible one

Alex, it really isn't hard.

Which I didn't do. I Ctrl+Fd and that was it. Your argument couldn't be any more contrived.

linki- Ctrl+F, Enter, Enter, Enter. Not hard.

Chris wrote:

juliets wrote:

Chris wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I do understand Epi's point that they could be teammates and Made has the unlynchable role.

This is what I'm afraid of... The push to lynch Made under such weak reasoning has me thinking there was an ulterior motive.

That's one main reason I switched to Rico. But MP voted for Rico, and I was feeling that they were teammates.

But TH is making some DAMN good points.

But there has also been a push to lynch enrique - unless I'm not understanding your point.

The push for Made was immediate.

The push for Rico came about more slowly.

Remember, I not comfortable with either choices at this point. I'm just more comfortable with voting Rico at the moment.

I'd still rather an MP vote.

I got 4 consecutive votes near the start of the day, would've been 5 if DF hadn't gotten in before MP. Or do you mean through the whole game? Because we've both been getting votes from the very beginning (and I actually didn't get any yesterday, whereas Made hardly survived).

linki- uh what? I did exactly what I said I did. There's a little box next to each game that says whether baddies or civvies won. You made the HoF, you know that.

So, you skimmed my case on made, while characterizing it to be something it wasn't... so... blatant misinformation?

Y-yes. I read your earlier posts on him, and the later ones just seemed like you and Made going back and forth rehashing the same points. Can't say I gave them a lot of attention, but I thought I got the gist.

Dom, the Hall of Fame isn't exactly hard to navigate. Open thread, Ctrl+F "Epignosis" and went through like 4 results to see if he was a civ in those games. Given my history with him, it's not a stretch that I got curious.

That's...

a good time to show up.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I've updated the role information we have with w's. The Dalek Sec lost a couple of "will"s, but the Master remained unchanged/

Dalek Sec wrote: If someone targets a member of your team wiTh a night action, you can conduct a -a--ing? experiment on them. A coin is then tossed. If heads, the night action will --t---- and you flip a coin again. If tails, nothing happens. If the coin lands heads on the second flip, that player ---- not be able to effectively target your team in any -a- (nothing is ----- --t--) for the remainder of the game. If tails, the night action stops ---- --t----, but there are no other effects.

The Master wrote: The first three attempts on his life will be blocked. Every night, he attempts to find Lucy Saxon, his wife/----a-----[companion?]. If he finds her, they gain BTSC. Due to his strong ability as a scientist, once in the game he can block[?] every night action that night to be randomly redirected at someone other than the original target. This is up to and including kill attempts.

This is the only post MM has made today... you OK, Chris?

Chris wrote:Switching my vote to Rico for reasons.

*changes vote to Rico*

Can we hear them?