The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:13 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:58 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:56 am Heading to sleep if anyone has questions for me please ask I'll try to answer when I get up.

Why are you mafia? Any regrets? Concede, please?

Also I forgot but I'm pretty sure talking about conceding is illegal so, don't do that.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:12 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:07 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:47 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:30 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:26 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

How do you feel about Lime Coke?

Not my preferred lynch. Would you lynch there?

No, but they were the most viable non WIlgy/Creature wagon at EoD, and I'm curious as to why you didn't go there if you felt so strongly about the other two wagons. Why go onto Moto who had no votes, vs Lime that had like 3 or 4?

I see. I didn't scumread LC.

So you believed all three wagons were town, and decided to vote a 4th wagon that has been afk pretty much all game once Creature claimed vengeful, essentially assuring Creature would go over but couldn't shoot you since there is no way that wagon would grow big enough to overtake them?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:25 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Lime was also a viable CW up until close to EoD. You don't see Creature as a possible Lime!Save?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:20 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:55 am [VOTE: Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream] aubergine

*throws subtle shade re: No flint/wood*

*avoids flint/wood*

Uh huh...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:17 am [
You know, I believe that you actually think your sprawling post is NAI... and the fact that you feel caught for the wrong reasons is dripping out of the seams here.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:45 pm My vote change does nothing but silence? Are we having two town wagons here?

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?

Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:56 am Heading to sleep if anyone has questions for me please ask I'll try to answer when I get up.

if two-three players wouldn't have jumped on your wagon each time, with even less substantiated demands than yours (or just sheeping you)

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:51 am Like I'm trying to back off and step away and try to figure out why I'm still alive whilst tunneling you but I really can't do so when I see things like that.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:47 pm [VOTE: Tooth Trap] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Dude's been a wagon every day, and it gets outvoted at EoD. I gotta look back at Scotty/Vivax and Creature/Wilgy wagons.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:00 pm I’m gonna review every single association left in this game

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:40 pm Yawn

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:31 pm DrWilgy and Ricochet are prob my top suspects aorn

but I am mostly sheeping you all rn

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:19 pm Thanks Rico. At the least the “you’re still town reading Rico” and “three dead town” moments are goofy.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:27 am Man....idk how I wanna go about these thinking about it.

Zenon let's lean town.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Let's lean this wolf.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:16 am
His responses to being scumread/voted aren't bad, tbh.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:56 am [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:07 pm
Don't find him towny besides his responses to votes.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:23 pm @Lime Coke what do you think of Rico's case against Scotty?

I...guess I get the reasoning.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:05 pm
You're still townreading Ricochet? Why?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:18 pm Why should I not be town reading Rico, and/or what is the process of events that suggests my read should change?

Three town flips.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:28 pm
My reasoning for voting Ricochet when it got later on Day 1, was because of this post.

Felt like it was scummy just because it was basically like what Seanzie said. Too much commentary on random things, not really applying reads on most of the slots in the game after the "analysis"?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm
I don't think that is an accurate judgement of the post. Here, let's take a look:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:34 pm
How can I be bad for 0 posting?

Like, I always try to post something as wolf and if I am 0 posting it almost always mean I am genuinely busy and hence it's completely NAI

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:35 pm
I tend to ghost only under pressure

I don't ghost from the get go

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:37 pm
I don't intentionally 0 post as wolf

If I was wolf and not busy I would've already posted something

but I am busy

so I zeroposted

and it's entirely NAI

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:41 pm Scotty also feels town, but I don't know exactly how his wolfgame looks like

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:57 pm It doesn't feel like anyone is taking this game seriously

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:30 pm Seanzie and Martin are both wolfy

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:34 pm Also Martin looks pretty underwhelming for his standards here.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:00 pm
It looked like genuine indignation. I asked if this is an alright reason to townread Seanzie or it's something he can easily fake as wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:09 pm Just don't expect me to play much

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:38 pm
I find it interesting that you mentioned the "commentary" thing, but didn't include the big late-D1 catchup post he did that was almost entirely commentary without real takes, which was followed up with scumreads that he didn't say anything about.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:01 pm @JaggedJimmyJay not placing a vote and not leading the town all day, 3 hours before EoD looks scummy to me

I and i hope everyone else appreciates the work you did with the ISOs

but where is the actual vote? where is the "lets kill the wolves guys"? Where is the leadership?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:15 pm @Porscha @Ricochet in case u wont be able to be around to eod (which is in 1 hour 45 min), could you preemptively self-pres onto creature please rico

and porscha babe if you still townread rico (not sure if u do) could u please join us on the creature wagon?

@DrWilgy @falcon45ca could i ask for your votes on Creature too, please?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:45 pm [VOTE: ricochet] aubergine

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:59 pm [VOTE: ricochet] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:58 pm [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:07 pm

motobot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:05 pm Sorry I wasn't posting I was at a birthday party last night and today I was at an expo center

Will you spend time playing the game?

A lot of your posts is just you saying that you're doing something else.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:13 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:10 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:03 am Also Tutuu why are you voting me now?

Sorry if ur town im listening to my townreads. Im debating between voting u and creature

Do you not townread JJJ who did a full dive on me and decided that he actually liked my iso and called me town?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:31 pm
I impolitely disagree. I don't really see why scum would target town!Rico with a posting restriction, so I think it is more likely from town, or maybe just a random mechanic, or possibly wolf-on-wolf in order to make Rico look innocent.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:25 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm

Scotty
5
22%


Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

I'm sorry Rico, I didn't realize glass houses were shown as cheap on Zillow.

You see I can also make you look like garbage when you were voting the most obvious town in the game.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Scotty
5
22%

Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:24 am You wanna try to case me, then case me with actual facts rather than just bits and pieces.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:14 am Masons - Vivax + Belzy

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:42 pm
So we voting vivax?

Rico, so with Vivax being preflipped a wolf (I know terrible game play)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:44 pm
What about Scotty + Rico + Vivax?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:37 pm tutuu
5
33%
Voters: S~V~S, Zenon, Vivax, die_meatbaby, motobot

There's at least 2 bad players voting for tutuu in this list. I refuse to believe this is a natural wagon catching Maxwell (whoever that is)

If I had to pick off the top of my head. Probably Vivax and one of baby and Motobot

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:36 pm
The reason why I quoted the above is JJJ probing and pushing Scotty to answer a question as to why Porscha is full of town fire and scotty proceeds to back out of it with a "oh maybe I am crazy" and then reverse his read. JJJ then proceeds to DO NOTHING with the response and instead proceeds to tell people to stop talking about the angle shooting.

He then tries to deflect me by saying I am quoting the wrong posts and that I dont understand what I am quoting. He KNOWS why I am quoting this but he is trying to make it look silly. Scotty KNOWS because he is in bts with JJJ and JJJ can see he is caught so scotty jumps on the wagon and wont elaborate WHY he thinks JJJ is suspect because there is a chance that JJJ thinks I am just posturing and seeing if he blinks and Scotty needs to be positioned in the right place in case I am serious and I have caught him.

So in conclusion JJJ is mafia not because of what he is saying but because of what he isnt saying and Scotty is Mafia for being opportunistic about it.

The Third is Vivax

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:31 pm CFD vivax?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:41 pm [VOTE: vivax ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:44 pm @MartinGG99 help me on vivax who Wolfy 4th voted you

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:58 pm Vote vivax

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:59 am I appreciate both Rico and Scotty engaging with my takes on Vivax.

I don't really seem to vibe with your vivax posts, and after thinking on it I think my biggest issue is how is that....necessarily scummy? Like what makes it such that a town would be unlikely to have that sort of progression or thought? Idk, just make it clearer somehow. I don't really see Vivax as anything atm.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:42 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:14 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Self pres vote.

I‘m afraid I‘m still rather clueless but it‘s fine.

I quite like the last line there. Tonally good but also I feel as wolf they would be pressured to make some sort of analysis over their situation in order to start digging out of the hole they perceive themselves to be in.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:15 am tutuu

JaggedJimmyJay

Vivax

[SNIP etc]

Something like this? I would say? A lot of it feels like waiting for more to happen from certain people so I'm not sold on this arrangement. But it does bother me since my vote could go onto a person whom I could maybe solve later and I dislike being inefficient like that (unless I get lucky and its on a wolf). Better than letting Tutuu die though.

Looks like I'll have to see if I can be here tomorrow (IRL) more. No promises though since usually my Wednesday evenings are spent with a particular online friend unless they're too busy.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:47 pm I can switch to vivax. Though I feel like part of me would be doing that out of spite ever since he called me inauthetic and that, well, from the time I've been here it feels like I've been the only case he has ever really had.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:12 pm I won’t endorse voting for meatbaby on D1
@Vivax how many games have they played?
Or even @die_meatbaby can answer themselves.

Either way, would love a check in and more posting from them.

TBH I don't like the JJJ or Tutuu wagons either. So I'd rather go meat_baby.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:18 pm The other options are Vivax, Motobot, or Porscha.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

We'll try it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:59 pmVote: Vivax

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:32 am

I'm pretty positive I never voted Vivax

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:47 am Huh I don't remember that lol

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:47 am I don't even know why I voted there

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:49 pmVote: Vivax

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:59 pmVote: Scotty

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:59 pmVote: Vivax

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:33 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:20 am
I'm not too fond of this post for its structure. Could be excessively designed to appear contributive. The suspicion on Rondo and the reaction OMGUS is interesting if it goes further, otherwise I could see them both doing some early distancing with this.

This seems a bit cooked to me. Orange just strikes me as an odd perspective given the Rico post being addressed, and red made my left eyeball do that thing it would normally do if I were sitting in a restaurant and heard some guy nearby on a date start talking about how women really are unprompted

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:54 am [VOTE: vivax] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:39 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:37 pm
so your conclusion here is Rico is town and Vivax is trying to set him up by encouraging him to go for me? They are partners and anti-distancing? I am town? Give me the meat JJJ

That view doesn't necessarily reflect on either you or Rico; it just felt kinda fake in general from Vivax.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:55 pm
We all deserve to be thoroughly licked by Wilgy at least once.

The best summary for my ping with Vivax was the single word I used earlier: "cooked". I wouldn't say it's some uniquely unlikely town view, or that it has to reflect a mafia agenda -- indeed, I don't tend to think about reads in those terms this early in a game. One must shoot from the hip, because "agenda" and trying to assess alignment probabilistically strike me as fool's errand's without an established informational starting point. Perhaps others do it better than I do it, but it's not my mode of thinking. Instead, I assess at raw face value: does this person believe in what they have just posted? Examples: Vivax made an associative read about Rondo that I found difficult to believe given the source material, so I question the authenticity. Vivax threw some shade at tutuu on the basis of mechanical assumptions that I didn't think one needed to make, so I question the authenticity.

That's my best attempt to explain what I meant. It's not a hyper-strong or confident suspicion on my part, but it's a ping.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:06 pm POE seems somewhat restrictive at the moment. I’m at approximately:

[Wilgy, falcon, motobot, Porscha, Vivax, Belzy]

I could likely add more if I graded tougher, but I feel decent about it as a starting point. Given the low activity skew of that pile, I doubt it’s perfect. I’ll try to rainbow it up later when I get through my afternoon business.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:41 pm

I'm not sure Vivax has done much to develop this Rico read. As far as I can tell, the suspicion provided is still centered upon the "structure" referenced in the first post here. Otherwise he has held Rico as a name among suspects without further commentary and then contributed to him being a 3-vote wagon. Wet fart noise.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:45 pm I'd rather vote Vivax than the other non-Wilgy wagons.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:48 pm [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:08 am can anyone offer a team of 3-4 names?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:58 am
everyone else is just being towny. we know someone has to be scum

tuttu wrote:keep in mind we're looking at 3 to 4 wolves

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:55 am ara ara

belzy just ... uh. they just obv. like. they're just being real. u know what i mean? they pure. they real

porscha claimed god read town by sean and same as above

zenon same as above (the first one)

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:51 am
motobot

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:43 am belzy town we all agree

porscha obv town

zenon obv town

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:24 am You didn't vote in the poll bread

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:03 am
Rico is honestly just town unless this is a fake restriction and I donut think it is

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:21 pm Does JJJ do ISOs as town?