The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:07 pm I thought I had no impression of Michelle because of me, but her night 3 posts are just blendy and safe. It’s not me it’s you.

So you put me in the Poe for playstyle

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:15 pm SVS (33) + DH (230) Net yut,

Gmon - A suu selvy octavaty en D2 bit enly enu pest tedoy.
P1793 Peu ef Forodoy, Walgy, Geldun, Machullu, Qian ond Sleenua.
A nuud te chuck pregrussaen bit oftur dannur

Leekang ot my pests

Lanka: Scetty- ASE net oss!

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:39 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:09 pm I think the baddies were sitting back, figuring they could spend two days taking out DH and then maybe even Kate when DH flipped civ.

So there’s a little scrambling going on here.

We really need to lynch a baddie today. There are 3, maybe 4, people I won’t vote for, and I would rather not vote for the insanified.

But although I still feel GMan is not his civ self, I could move.

I think at this point, no mercy should be given to someone with the simple letter switching insanity. It’s common knowledge since Day 2 when bea and DF got it.
Michelle and sig should get no passes today because of their affliction

Visceral instinct told me not to vote Michelle even though I find her a little more suspicious than Quin because it would be viewed as poor form to start a chop train on a player with a posting restriction. It's a pretty old-school mindset, but I get where you're coming from. She failed to vote, so it's her own fault for the posting restriction. Definitely be wary of anyone else 'accidentally' missing the vote from here on out. Show no mercy!

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:28 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:35 pm Vamoosing for a bit to get some work done (because, like it or not, playing mafia doesn't pay the bills). Here's where my ISO's stand so far:

Towncore:
-Bea
-Eloh
-G-Man
-Kate

POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy


More to come tonight.

It always gives me the heebie-jeebies when someone puts themself in their own town core.

It's a bit of old-school whimsy, you ninny. Trying to keep it as light as I can when I'm on the hot seat, you know? Besides, did anyone get weird about it when Llama did it?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

What happened to the licking and tasting shtick you used to have?

I'm over it. Old school Wilgy is dead. I'll just solve like modern wilgs from here out.

Golden had the read on the gimmick though.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:37 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:35 pm Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

So Golden pretended to have a role in mind for me only to experience a world-shattering revelation upon realizing I could not be in possession of whatever mystery role he had squared away for me? That was all an act?

Can‘t be an act if he experienced a world shattering revelation ?
No matter the specifics.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:37 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:35 pm Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

So Golden pretended to have a role in mind for me only to experience a world-shattering revelation upon realizing I could not be in possession of whatever mystery role he had squared away for me? That was all an act?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:14 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:12 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

@Golden this one and yea I see you say get to MLOY to do jt but even then I’d rather yolo onto sloonie or you tbh

Sig…

I cannot interpret this post.

The large portion is what I’m referring to.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

@Golden this one and yea I see you say get to MLOY to do jt but even then I’d rather yolo onto sloonie or you tbh

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:08 pm I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again if Scotty was vigged I’d have expected some major unexplained push back from someone for llama since that didn’t happen he’s a lock and it’s weird tbh that a super town like golden would say that

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:03 pm Really happy to catch Quin! RIP Quin, I should have stuck to my gut on you from the outset.

Sad to see SVS go. I’m glad you subbed in, SVS!

And let me just give Sloonei an eyeless ‘what the fuck’ because I don’t think that was a good way to open the day (and yes, I acknowledge there’s no way of guessing SVS was movable votes but I feel like if you were gonna test it at day start there was better choices than that.)

Very happy also to be rid of non-player blue as an opponent. My gut says matahari was trying to save Quin yesterday and we need every vote we can get… we could have been at lylo one vote sooner with that role in the game.

My PoE is the same as sigs except that it has sig in it instead of vivax. My priority today, with the time I have, is to focus on trying to eliminate any of the four from the PoE.

Ok, so your POE is Michelle/sig/DF/Wilgy

Still high on Sloonei as civ?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:04 pm Looking forward to what Golden has to say about Quin’s flip

Linki; there it is

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

You say ‘if allowed to’ but also you are voting there now. I’m conscious we might be on the very edge of infodumping here but… question… are you suggesting that your vote will not end on today?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:21 pm Looking at the wagons, day 1 had a tie but the lynch was switched to Vivax1.0, 3rd party. I don't think speculations about how that happened are useful.

I remember Sloonei had as single scum read in Vivax who flipped 3rd. If I have to tinfoil him this is a strong reason because mafia is always pushing the 3rds because this gives the impression they are scum hunting but I don't want to do that because Sloonei was very important in catching Gman.

Gman was off wagons, that would show t/t wagons most probably. Also he is voting for Golden who is looking villagery, but it may be a bus.
The vanity wagon on Gman from DH is another alarm bell.
I think I didn't notice the self vote from Sig, what was the reason of it@sig ?

The VC is longer than the phone screen, I forgot a wagon
Quin 2 Scotty Golden
If Quin flips mafia this is a good look probably for Scotty and Golden imo.

This is day 1, going further in day 2

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:23 am If we can get down 2 more mafia…I think bad golden will reveal himself to be the male peacock disguising himself as the more colorful female peacock

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:57 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:51 am Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

This whole time I thought your licks meant you town read people. But eating them because you’re suspicious? Boy do I have a century egg for you to try

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:30 pm I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

It was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.

You obviously know Matahari well. First game and all. Do you think she would choose the baddies?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:37 pm This elimination is important, but also I think it should be an insightful one that doesn’t make or break the game if we get it wrong.

It’s 8 to 3 most likely. With ML it would be 6 to 3, which is still not Lylo.

I still think Quin is a hit- that would help unlock a few people I think.
Killing DF doesn’t really unlock anything- he doesn’t rightly implicate any one. But he doesn’t appear of town interest.

Our NPC Matahari is currently voting Golden. I don’t know what history they have together, but maybe they know something we don’t on Golden’s meta?


No one should be cleared today and nothing is set in stone

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:11 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

I didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.

Fine, that clears the intent. What do you think makes wilgy town and why is quin a better lim over michelle ?

You seem comfortable with voting Quin over the choice of your townreads (assuming DF is still one)

Quin is voting you, Michelle wagon should concern you both, or not?

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:12 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:07 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:35 am Even though bea flipped town, I feel like being 'off bea' isn't a good look. Bea really looked scummy... the vote on G-Man day was bad and she went into antispew.

Personally I'll be shocked if there are no mafia in the non-bea voters and Quin and DF are my top two options (for reasons of already trusting Sloon and Wilgy, although I would like to hear their reasoning for the same, as well). I think it's likely that there are mafia who seek the shelter of not being on a civ flip.

I'm looking through Quin's day 4 stuff now and even at the time it skeeved my out but I can articulate it better now.

When I voted for DF, what I was talking about was the value of a counterwagon to learning information.
When Quin voted for Eloh, he was talking about trying to find scum on the bea wagon and looking for people phoning it in with their bea vote.

Mafia don't want to 'phone it in' if they bus a teammate. They want to look good. They want the bus to give them civ cred.

I just don't see the civvie logic at all in Quin, all game really. Everything he says and does comes across as manufactured to me, I try to put myself in his mind and I can't see the civ logic to get where he gets to.

“Mafia don't want to 'phone it in' if they bus a teammate. They want to look good. They want the bus to give them civ cred.“

You mean like what Wilgy did to GMan the other day?

Wilgy did what I would do.

But I don’t think wilgy is bad.

:/

Not a good thing to say.
Assuming how we‘d act in a scummers shoes is part of the toolkit, and lack of suspicion towards players from being more aware of their townie actions is also an alarm bell.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:05 pm Golden and Sloonei

This is a pairing of players that I think go hand in hand. Not because I think they’re on the same team but because I don’t think they’re w/w.

Golden is someone that has expressed keen interest in pinning down Sloonei’s role. Golden has like 6 people’s roles “in mind” which is just dandy for him. I also have roles in mind for people, but the weird part to me is that when pressed on it, Golden zips up his mouth and becomes slightly indignant talking about it, suggesting mafia will get whiffs of his grand role matching and use it against the town. He compounds this attitude with unabashedly- and unprompted- also inserting throughout the game “I have a role in mind for {x} player” which is like that acquaintance on Facebook that casually makes their status “I can’t believe this happened to me today!” allowing concerned comments to pile up for a few days, and never resolving it. What happened to you, Chelsea?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MY PSYCHE.

I’m glad that Golden has roles in mind for people, and that may very well help his own game. But at some point as we start whittling down players, communitizing role guesses becomes less about “not giving mafia the benefit of information” and more about “helping the town as a whole identify and make better choices so we don’t lose the game.”

There’s a certain gate keeping of “the old ways” that I willingly want to respect, but I’m also not one to throw away the key to unlocking the game because “that’s not the way we do things here”. In this game, confidence in reads and how you flaunt that confidence dictates a lot of reads for other people.

All of this leads to my hesitance and blatant confusion when it comes to my read of Sloonei. It’s Golden and Golden specifically that has kept me from hard townreading Sloonei, and it’s because of his vague confidence that Sloonei isn’t the one that switched the first elimination to Vivax1.0. I can’t pry out what Golden really thinks Sloonei is, and we can’t info dump in this game (That’s fine, wouldn’t ask it if anyone had info) but it could be heavily inferred that Sloonei and Quin were masons. It made sense with the blatant shielding going on early. But Sloonei- after a couple days of hard town reading Quin- walked back his Townread to a more questionable read of him on day 3. This seemed to fracture Golden’s crystal ball for a second, but it seemed in-thread that it was a brief stay of confusion before he just shrugged it off and maybe conf biased himself that it was just a blip and everything is still fine and dandy. This confused the shit out of me. Because that didn’t seem like an attitude of a player with a Mason in Quin. So if he isn’t a Mason, and isn’t the elim switcher…I got nothing to explain Sloonei’s behavior this game.

On Night 2, Sloonei showed some flashes of old civ Sloonei, with deep dives into ISOs and interactions with DrWilgy and then a pretty thorough casing on GMan, which was welcomed! But before that? Wet towel. Even now, after bea’s untimely demise, his comment of “I wish this person rezzed can just take my place”. I don’t get it. It’s like he has not spark or drive this game. It’s really bugging me out.

But here’s what I think:

I think Sloonei is town. And that is because I think Golden is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or at least has convinced himself that the puzzle piece that he holds still fits, even though he’s trying to trade 3 sheep for 2 wood in a game of Monopoly.

Hey Scotty

I already told you. It’s called infodumping man and it’s not on.

You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.

Not sharing vomps tildes was about not telling wolves but… that’s because vomps was a vanilla civ and I wanted them to be worried about the power.

I’m not asking to infodump. Infodumping implies you have info. Guess dumping isn’t a phrase, but if it were, it would be allowed.

I’m guessing Sloonei is one thing. You are guessing he is another. Both can be expressed.

“You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.”

You’re a brick wall. And the bricker you are, the less I wall want to trust you.

Only you can stop yourself hitting the brick wall.

It’s really not my fault that you want more than I can give. I’ve explained why… you’ll literally never get more from me than what you’re getting in a game like this. This is the way.

I’ve given you enough breadcrumb that you should be able to follow it for yourself. If you don’t, I can’t do much about it.

Trusting isn’t about trusting *me*, as in specifically golden. It’s about trusting in the school of thought.

I dunno, SVS might be able to have a crack at explaining old school role hint etiquette if you can’t take it from me.

Yeah, I was never one to successfully find or follow breadcrumbs- I prefer to eat the whole gingerbread house

This is like playing on hard mode.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:35 am Even though bea flipped town, I feel like being 'off bea' isn't a good look. Bea really looked scummy... the vote on G-Man day was bad and she went into antispew.

Personally I'll be shocked if there are no mafia in the non-bea voters and Quin and DF are my top two options (for reasons of already trusting Sloon and Wilgy, although I would like to hear their reasoning for the same, as well). I think it's likely that there are mafia who seek the shelter of not being on a civ flip.

I'm looking through Quin's day 4 stuff now and even at the time it skeeved my out but I can articulate it better now.

When I voted for DF, what I was talking about was the value of a counterwagon to learning information.
When Quin voted for Eloh, he was talking about trying to find scum on the bea wagon and looking for people phoning it in with their bea vote.

Mafia don't want to 'phone it in' if they bus a teammate. They want to look good. They want the bus to give them civ cred.

I just don't see the civvie logic at all in Quin, all game really. Everything he says and does comes across as manufactured to me, I try to put myself in his mind and I can't see the civ logic to get where he gets to.

“Mafia don't want to 'phone it in' if they bus a teammate. They want to look good. They want the bus to give them civ cred.“

You mean like what Wilgy did to GMan the other day?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:59 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:41 pm SVS I have a town read on you. It’s a town read I don’t trust because I never trust my read on you. But I trust Kate’s read on you.

G-man mentioned

DH, Scotty, Golden, Sloonei

Do you disagree with my suggestion on how to analyze G-Man‘s post ?
Cause you and Sloonei are a pairing that we have to lim into at some point, methinks.

What would you say if there were a max of only 1 baddie in DH/Golden/Sloonei and who would it be?

Golden. DH was a civ. I feel tons better about Sloonei. I am guessing you do, too?

I would have no choice but to pick you in this group of three. But G-Man was so insistent on high posters that I’m quite comfortable believing all his teammates are low posters.

What do you think of his progression of slowly extracting DH/SVS from that list of high posters to the point where he honed in on just you and Sloonei?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:27 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:11 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am
It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)

Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Did you continue to vote for Quin, or was this an on/off thing for you?

I stopped voting Quin based on sloonei’s vouching for a while. It took my eye off the ball.

And
Now?

oh right, you’re voting there.

I was mainly curious why he let it go. Just becasue he has a role in mind for Sloonei doesn't mean Slooneis reads are infallible.

I have to do IRL stuff for a bit, I will bbl. I have over 30 pages to go, not sure if that's gonna happen, but I'm gonna try to at least get to the point where I showed up

Linki @Scotty well, that's your opinion, I think you're a civ, I don't think you're infallible.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:41 pm SVS I have a town read on you. It’s a town read I don’t trust because I never trust my read on you. But I trust Kate’s read on you.

G-man mentioned

DH, Scotty, Golden, Sloonei

Do you disagree with my suggestion on how to analyze G-Man‘s post ?
Cause you and Sloonei are a pairing that we have to lim into at some point, methinks.

What would you say if there were a max of only 1 baddie in DH/Golden/Sloonei and who would it be?

Golden. DH was a civ. I feel tons better about Sloonei. I am guessing you do, too?