The Syndicate

I am not responding to c4's response to my case because I do not feel like it would be constructive.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:27 pm Neeko was meaning to say substitute Radish/PIC/Flacon with c4/Dizzy as she wasn't sure which two of those 4 would be best to put into the list.
If you look at the Dr Wiggly and Ender wagons Neeko took Radish, JPIC, and Falcon as the main PoE targets, but was trying to say c$ and Dizzy were also possible PoE targets.
Comma usage could have been a bit better in that post, but it was long and Neeko was probably getting tired typing near the end.

I do not feel that this addresses my concern.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:25 pm btw another reason i felt like c4/sloonei were unaligned was i wolfed against both of them as Vs and one of the things that frustrated me was how quickly they found each other with such confidence (particularly c4's read on sloonei) so the different dynamic here makes me feel like they're not v/v, but like, considering my individual reads on them are villager it is purely a dynamic read
c4 and I do not have significant experience with one another.
noted

i was not aware of this/assumed you had

I assume you are referring to the RYM game on MU which I have only faint memories of. Other than that, we have only played 1-2 games together.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:28 pm I am not responding to c4's response to my case because I do not feel like it would be constructive.
Do you believe it y/n

You can forego any and all details to avoid anything messy

I am taking it into consideration along with the rest of your posts. Just continue to play the game and my read will develop.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:29 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:27 pm Neeko was meaning to say substitute Radish/PIC/Flacon with c4/Dizzy as she wasn't sure which two of those 4 would be best to put into the list.
If you look at the Dr Wiggly and Ender wagons Neeko took Radish, JPIC, and Falcon as the main PoE targets, but was trying to say c$ and Dizzy were also possible PoE targets.
Comma usage could have been a bit better in that post, but it was long and Neeko was probably getting tired typing near the end.
I do not feel that this addresses my concern.
Then neeko fails to understand your concerns.

It felt as though you only included Dizzy's name out of a sense of obligation so as to not be called out for omitting him.

I must have been on fire in this alleged RYM game.

TSP is a slippery boi

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:58 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:26 am
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:53 am remember that time washed up sloonei outed himself as mafia by casting a sloppy wolfy vote on porscha in the goc
Yup
gonna go with sloonei is town off this

and that's all i need now, we just sit back and let old man sloonei solve the game...

@Sloonei over to you old man

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I want the last three pages stricken from the record.

Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

Anyone who is curious can find all past GoC’s on this subforum, for a lovely romp down Syndicate history:

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:48 pm [VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.
what do you think of sabie's claim in light of HK's 3p claim?

I think the abundance of guns in this game indicates that mafia can have them as well. I believe that the information we have about the setup strongly indicates that abilities are not necessarily tied to alignment, so I am inclined to focus on behavior in situations with ambiguous mechanics. Dizzy's handling of Sabie looked like it had strong bussing potential. There is a world where that is not the case, though.

This is sincere question with no agenda other than promoting discussion: Does it make sense for town c4 to shoot Bo when he did?

I wasn't here when it happened. I don't know what the discussion looked like, what the atmosphere was, when others shot in relation to Bo, etc.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:41 pm I don't get the sabie wolfreads. I think her posts are in line with town that vigged Ender.

For me it's about Dyslexicon interactions. Granted, I have not actually looked closely at Sabie's posts yet.

australia sux

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:48 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:45 pm If 112 flips town or not mafia, ilario is as good as dead!
ilario is town. he wouldn't shoot his partner there at that exact timing
well, there is a Socrates in the role pool, as someone pointed out earlier

huh?

Is it bad to say we should just chop both sabie and sig since there's a decent chance at least one of them is lying?

Has anyone else looked at Dizzy's interactions?

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

I care about neither of these things.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:23 am It feels more like Dizzy was trying to get Wiggly chopped.

I might actually feel the other way about the second of these two quotes. Dizzy's language feels very labored there. It could be a sign that he was overthinking it when addressing Wilgy's presence in the game.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:30 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:23 am It feels more like Dizzy was trying to get Wiggly chopped.
I might actually feel the other way about the second of these two quotes. Dizzy's language feels very labored there. It could be a sign that he was overthinking it when addressing Wilgy's presence in the game.
Maybe, but don't Mafia overthink a lot even when it's not addressing their partners?

This is a fair point.

112 is the player on the poll I have paid the least attention to.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:52 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:50 am That's not...Even remotely the point of that post.
Mafia can have protective roles. They are useful.
Not to mention, one can just lie about their role?
So "Mafia wouldn't ever pick a Protective role" is just not a defense.
Okay may I ask you a question.
As a mafia player that could choose any roles from the game.
Why would you choose a protective role?

It is Day 2 and 10 players are already dead. We are about to lose 4 more.

I've wavered a bit on my previously-unwavering town read on Mac.

LP feels town at this exact moment.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:59 am I've wavered a bit on my previously-unwavering town read on Mac.
Fwiw if ur only reason to think mac is town is because good interactions with wolves but nothing towny outside of that, then he’s probs just a wolf lol

This is not the only reason, but it has been a big one. But then as I was driving home from work earlier I suddenly remembered something very important: he's Mac.

Another way to phrase that sentence would be this:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:28 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel
I care about neither of these things.
You care neither of those things as his defense or as subject of discussion?

As his defense. And without that value, they serve little to no purpose as topics of discussion.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:10 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:28 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel
I care about neither of these things.
You care neither of those things as his defense or as subject of discussion?
As his defense. And without that value, they serve little to no purpose as topics of discussion.
What kind of defense do you propose? Should I plea?

I do not require any defense from you at the moment. Just continue trying to solve the game and I will judge your efforts in that regard.

I think the decisions of the mafia captain depend entirely on who that individual is, and what level of deception they went to in their choices. I think there are way too many variables there to make any assumptions about what would or would not have occurred.

I would have picked roles, for instance.
Guillo just said that it would be a no-brainer to him to pick players so that he could be with a dream team.
Somebody else might have picked players and gone for a variety of familiar faces and unfamiliar ones.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:21 am I would have picked roles, for instance.
Guillo just said that it would be a no-brainer to him to pick players so that he could be with a dream team.
Somebody else might have picked players and gone for a variety of familiar faces and unfamiliar ones.
What if they sucked.

If I was in a position where I was responsible for picking the members of my own mafia team, I would let a random number generator decide for me. I would want no discernible pattern in the construction of my crew.

I’d go so far as to say that “no discernible pattern” would be my #1 priority.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:48 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:16 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:10 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:09 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:28 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel
I care about neither of these things.
You care neither of those things as his defense or as subject of discussion?
As his defense. And without that value, they serve little to no purpose as topics of discussion.
What kind of defense do you propose? Should I plea?
I do not require any defense from you at the moment. Just continue trying to solve the game and I will judge your efforts in that regard.
That's rather unfair. Why are you shutting me off

Paopan, I never asked you to provide any sort of defense. I just chimed in to respond to a couple of points you raised in a conversation that did not involve me. I am not shutting you off from anything.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:52 pm I think my favorite lynches atp are

hollowkatt - claimed nontown
sig - policy for shooting nutella
DrWilgy - resolve EOD1 wagons and also still wolf candidate
c4e5g3d5 - trusting Sloonei on this

I have read less than half this thread. I do suspect c4, but I do not want to overstate my confidence in that read. I’m still partially in a Day 1 mindset here.

[VOTE: unvote c4, vote sig] aubergine

Feels like a safer play on a day where we’re killing a bunch of people

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:07 pm [VOTE: unvote c4, vote sig] aubergine

Feels like a safer play on a day where we’re killing a bunch of people
My posts or something else?

A little of both.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:32 pmc4/Sloonei

why are we back together?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:42 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:32 pmc4/Sloonei
why are we back together?
a lot of it had to do with c4's read on you. initially, i'd thought there was a wolf in you two due to thinking the dynamic was off, but you've both seemed individually villagery to me and the way c4 has gone about his read on you (the OMGUS at first but then re-evaluating and thinking you're town) made me think my initial feeling was wrong.

I am misunderstanding something here, but I'm not sure what.

Are our alignments dependent on one another in your mind?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:54 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:42 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:32 pmc4/Sloonei
why are we back together?
a lot of it had to do with c4's read on you. initially, i'd thought there was a wolf in you two due to thinking the dynamic was off, but you've both seemed individually villagery to me and the way c4 has gone about his read on you (the OMGUS at first but then re-evaluating and thinking you're town) made me think my initial feeling was wrong.
I am misunderstanding something here, but I'm not sure what.

Are our alignments dependent on one another in your mind?
No - you're obviously not W/W, but could be V/V pretty easily.

I only grouped you together because I consider you both slightly lower than my VVV locks

I see. Sorry about the confusion.

Pretty sure Shakespeare used a laptop to write parts of The Tempest, fwiw

At the risk of reigniting more pointless conversation: "3P faction" is very distinctly not "a second mafia team."

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:01 pm Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.

What is falcon?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:03 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:01 pm Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.
What is falcon?
I had my suspicion on Falcon day 1 but i forgot why, why do you ask?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:52 pm I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.
Oh FFS

I have a green check on you

Go ahead and soup me Maf

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:21 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:15 pm if this poll is mostly villagers, i blame Mac. the votes were different before i went to sleep, but the deadline was 6AM which i literally could never wake. apparently he was influencing things before they locked
apparently?

australia sux

I thought I had moved my vote to sig a couple hours ago, but I must have failed in the act of actually clicking on the poll. It's there now.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:22 pm 112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

Everyone scream orderings of these people at me

I am missing too much context surrounding those three names and do not have enough time to sort them out before the deadline.

I am here to make snap decisions wildly if needed.

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