"How did Sabie treat her teammates in Arrowverse?"
sabie was just bad in another recent game,
Arrowverse. Her partners there were nutella and Cooler. So let's take a look at how she handled each of them that game.
Cooler was lynched Day 1 so there wasn't much chance for sabie to interact with him. This is the extent of her commentary on him:
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm
Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.
Players who received similar treatment in this game: oreki/birdwithteeth2.0,
Dragomir,
Colin.
nutella outlived sabie (who died Night 2), and sabie had a bit more to say about her:
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am
I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.
Hey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?
Well you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon.
I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.
This doesn't really constitute a read but is just an observation about her tendency in the game. Players receiving similar treatment early in this game: Mac, Creature,
Epi. I'll note more of a similarity in her handling of nutella + sloonei jointly to her handling of Creature + Epi in
this game. In both instances, she lumps two players together and observes that they have had a noteworthy exchange, but refrains from commenting or picking a side. In Arrowverse, nutella was her partner and I was town. In Fallout, Epi was town. Creature's alignment is unkown.
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 am
Hey I was busy dying a horrible death in better off Ted mafia so now that that's over I'm back over here.
From the people who currently have votes wilgy is iffy because I remember leading an accidental mislynch on him on another game for acting how he is now. Drogomir idk them I'll have to read a bit more from them. Sloonei seems like normal town sloonei as of right now
Nutella is always kinda back and forth and I've seen her and sloonei go back and forth before like that but I dont think they were teammates.
Lux I can see where the suspicion came from there. The wording of their posts and that comment about the mafia teams was a little suspect.
Juliets I would have to read again as I don't recall what she's even said so far.
And now as I was typing sloonei changed the vote to ultra. Is that due to all that mechanics talk ik the beginning trying to get the cop role to out themselves?
Reiterates the same exact point as above.
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm
Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.
Both of sabie's partners are Day 1 bandwagons. She deflects from both, but tosses the tiniest hint of shade on nutella while doing so. It doesn't look like sabie was too keen on bussing. If we assume this is consistent across this game and apply the same mindset here, this is a good look for Jack, who Sabie pursued as a "suspect" all of Day 1 (but not on Day 2). In this game she
didn't deflect from any of the Day 1 wagons and offered tentative support on all of them but her own, it seems (although I can't say right now that I remember everyone who received votes on Day 1). She would end up voting for Jack.
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 5:14 pm
Spirityos contributions so far have been short random posts without giving any thoughts or reads and then randomly comes in and is like sabie is bad with no explanation. He did that to me before and eventually everyone realized he was wrong and that's what's happening again. Sighhhhh and I was just mislynched in another game again.
I can see where the suspicion of Mata and nutella comes from. Nutella is always kinda iffy and from what I've seen of Mata so far I'm not convinced they're town.
Lends tentative support to the nutella suspicion on Arrowverse Day 2, while lumping her together with another player, matahari, who was town. The nutella suspicion is buffered by a stronger condemnation of Matahari as the final word in this post. She gets away with appearing to support the nutella suspicion while immediately pivoting to emphasize a different suspect. I can see glimpses of the same strategy on Day 2 with Creature
here and
here. The diference is that in this game, sabie actually went so far as to provide a substantial argument against Creature and then even put a vote on him. But this was at a time when the lynch was sabie vs creature vs sloonei. Someone who's not me wouldn't be in the wrong to point out that sabie explicitly favored me in her argument against Creature. I have nothing to say on that and would have nothing to say if it was brought up. It is what it is. I am not sabie's teammate.
ANYWAY, the above post marks sabie's last mention of either of her teammates in Arrowverse. My takeaways from this exercise are as follows:
-Arrowverse sabie was hesitant to bus either of her partners. On Day 1, she spent energy saying nothing about either of them. On Day 2, she went so far as to call nutella "iffy", but framed the suspicion in a way that deflected, either intentionally or unintentionally, away from her partner.
-Arrowverse sabie was also hesitant to
support either of her partners. Like I just said, everything she said on Day 1 was totally neutral, amounting to blank observations and shrugs about both Cooler and nutella. Players she treated like that in this game (thinking back to
this post, which I've practically memorized by now) are: Mac, Creature,
Epi,
Dragomir,
Colin, oreki/BWT2.0, and TonyStarkPrime.
So how do I feel about all of the remaining members of that list?
Macdougall - Sabie seemed to want to town read Mac after what looked like an initial attempt to shade him. Or at least that's the impression I get from the final line of
this post, as well as other mentions she makes of Mac "getting her mislynched" in the past. The impression I get from sabie's handling of Fallout Mac is that she tried to test the scales against him in her first post, but after that just wanted to appease him to get him off her back. I think Mac got in her head in this game. He is either town or the recruit, and sabie was disheartened to have been undone by the player she targeted to join her team on Day 0.
Creature - Up until her Day 2 vote for Creature, I would have said that he comes out looking the worst in this exercise. sabie shrugs at him early in the game, lumping him in with Epi as a duo about whom she says nothing. She then comes out on Day 2 to kind of nod at the fact that there's suspicion against him, but doesn't say much. At the end of the Day, she claims to have ISO'd him and comes up with a reason to suspect him, but then buffers that behind a
reiterated suspicion against sprit and Jack. But then she follows this post up with a vote for Creature instead of a vote for me. Maybe she just did not feel like she could justify a vote against me (she had said literally nothing about me since slapping a Day 1 town read on me), and
had to vote for Creature if she wanted any chance at survival. I maintain a decent level of skepticism against Creature, but sabie's vote is definitely something to keep in mind.
birdwithteeth2.0 - On Day 1 sabie observed that Oreki had not posted. Immediately before Oreki was replaced by birdwithteeth, sabie said
"Oreki and dragomir I assume are probably not planning on coming back at this point." Oreki would replaced a couple hours later. That is the extent of sabie's commentary on this player slot. I could see a teammate pairing here.
TonyStarkPrime - Sabie's initial take was "I've never played with this person before", but she quickly followed that up with
"TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting [him] at this time." Besides that, she responded to
one direct question from him and made one incidental and indirect reference to him, but that's it. I could see a teammate pairing here, but I do not have to and there's not really enough evidence in sabie's ISO to make a call anyway.
A few caveats are important here: in Arrowverse, sabie's entire team (herself included) was on the hotseat very early on. nutella and Cooler were both prominent Day 1 suspects, so sabie was backed into a corner and could not feasibly have defended either of them - the best she could do was shrug at them. If she had a well-concealed partner in this game, she'd be more free to say nice things about them. But my primary observation from this exercise is that sabie was not keen to bus either of her partners even though both of them were Day 1 suspects in the thread.
The main caveat, of course, is that Arrowverse Mafia is not Fallout Mafia. There is no reason to assume that sabie would come into this game with the exact same approach. Situations are always different and players adapt. All I'm really looking for here is evidence of sabie's mindset toward mafia partners in past situations. And one of the things I'm taking away from this exercise is that it's once again difficult to see a mafia Jackofhearts in this game right now. But not impossible.
Tony starts the day off by immediately narrowing the focus down to just four names. Dislike.
, here's some analysis of his posts to see how firm his reads were and how they developed. Focusing mostly on living players unless it's relevant to include dead guys.
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