The Syndicate

Also at a certain point in this game my only objective was to sneak terrible puns into as many of my posts as I could.

For posterity: I would never ever in a million years kill Jay on Night 1.

Congrats on the win, evil bastards. This was a good one.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:30 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:11 am changmymind.jpg

what game is this!?

None of that addressed a single point that I made in my series of posts which were meant as conversation stimulators, not as indictments of anybody in particular.

Additionally, your previous post dismissed the seriousness of your initial reads list, but you are now defending yourself with it.

Additionally additionally, you’ve done no work to catch the last bad guy. You’ve just said that everything I’ve posted is bad. What if you are wrong about that?

At reywas

In the context of those posts, I mean.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:23 pm Based on those quotes, I don't think Sabie is scum with Speed and Luna. That reads like buddying/shading.

I’m inclined to agree.

What do you think of reywas?

And then there's the matter of luna & speedchuck's interactions with each of those two in unison: they both treated reywas similarly, but took opposing approaches to sabie: luna defended her hard, speedchuck argued for her as a suspect.

Do we think this scum team took a coordinated approach of keeping each other at arm's length? Or do we think they threw a variety of interactions at us to keep us off the scent?

For my own sake, I'm taking a look at luna's interactions with sabie and reywas next. I've not definitively knocked my POE down to these two, but they seem like the strongest candidates to me at the moment:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

Comes to sabie's aid on Day 1. This reads like the type of thing that would have been better said in BTSC.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:03 pm I won't bother updating the 2/2 thing I was doing unless someone specifically requests it. I had no immediate plans other than squeezing reads out of people.

I'm lazy about mafia right now, and could really benefit from someone squeezing reads out of me.

Then you should provide them. I will squeeze.

Two people you trust and two people you don't trust: go.

Don't trust:
novaselinever, mostly for his "got one" response to sabie's post, and him playing Jay's overly-excited puppy dog on day 0.
colonialbob, suspects Jay for acting very town and getting the ball rolling, inserts himself into nutella and speed's dispute with a lot a almost "fake" sounding questions, and has an issue with Jay typing "rey" instead of "nova"

Trust:
JackofHearts2005, yes he has fun, but he's getting down to business quick.
sabie. From my (limited) experience with sabie, this looks like prime town-sabie content.

She scum reads nova based on his treatment of sabie AND town reads sabie based on an apparent consistency with her previous town games, but doesn't go into much detail about that read. It could be a fairly bold strategy to offer such strong support to a teammate unprompted on Day 1. I'm not sure I see it, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 pm NUTELLA
SABIE12

GOOD
GOOD

And that.

There's very little here, but everything is unflinchingly supportive of sabie. My immediate reaction is to call this a good look for sabie. I don't know if luna would go so far out of her way to support a teammate when there was no need to. By contrast, she was a bit wishy-washy on speedchuck, at times supporting him softly, at other times throwing vague shade, and still other times giving him a big shrug. Speedchuck is the player luna is always going to be most strongly tied to in games, but she had relatively little to say about him until they were both on the chopping block. sabie was one of luna's primary targets for support all day.

Switching to reywas:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:40 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 am leetic
Lunalee
speedchuck

reywaS....good AF...obv: Would not lynch
Elohcin....A saint without a deceitful atom in her brain...obv: Would not lynch
nutella....Who knows. Maybe good probably bad...or not: Wouldn't lynch..unless you guys are up for it.
colonialbob....anyone with bob in their name is likely good: Wouldn't lynch
novaselinever....The thought of no lube terrifies me. Not to be effed with: Wouldn't lynch
JaggedJimmyJay....rallying the troops and leader of the civilian army OBV: Wouldn't lynch...would join an unneeded lynch train tho.
JackofHearts2005....the Jack is objectively (all my brain cells agree) the best card in the deck. I saw a kanye concert in 2005. Would not lynch
Sloonei....Name is slightly suspicious. Might lynch
sabie12....see Sloonei
AudreyTheTattleTail....Admitted snitch Would lynch

leetic, Lunalee, speedchuck...the "double EE" crew. Mafia as fuck. SHOULD LYNCH ASAP.

There i solved the game.

I've considered changing my username to just "Luna." Would it help if I did that now?

Lighthearted banter. Where have I seen this before?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:57 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

What does this "power show" indicate to you about rey and I?

I didn't mention rey. It just makes you and Nova look like you're excited for the game, and don't mind punching reads out of people's check-in posts. I like the enthusiasm, but your methods look a bit harsh.

Incidental mention of reywas because of jay's slip of the tongue.

She makes no direct mention of reywas until she puts a "Bad" GTH read on him mid-day... she makes no further comment on him.

If we're going for consistency between her treatment of teammates, reywas looks worse. She had relatively little to say about speedchuck considering his stature in this game and their relationship outside of it. Similarly, she had practically zilch to say about reywas.
If we think luna mixed it up a bit, then sabie looks worse. I also think speedchuck's treatment of sabie (highly substantiated scum read on Day 1 which was never followed up on) is a meatier piece of evidence than anything here. But if I'm looking only at luna's interactions with these two, I'd say that reywas looks worse than sabie.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm *scribbles notes in classroom notebook about immediacy of wagon shift*

I believe nova began the shift, and it looks like he has "friends" on board with it.

This is the post that really solidifed nova as a town read for me. Luna still had a fighting change of surviving the Day 1 lynch, and she seemed intent on specifically smearing nova. Her and speedchuck both seemed to be throwing shade at him throughout Day 1. I don't think this point matters much since it seems no one suspects nova at all, but... there's my reasoning, I guess, if we ever want to go back and look at things.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck @Sloonei

One of chuck's earliest interactions is to prod leetic with a blank jab. This tells me nothing on its own. How did leetic respond?
With a shortform mafia resume:

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

I'm from Bulbagarden, a Pokémon themed website. My first contact with this website was when a few players from here, including JJJ, played "The 100 Mafia" on that site. I've been on a few games here, only one in which I was really active though (Attack on Titan heist). My playstyle tends to be pushing players during D1, then analyzing the reactions and lynch wagons in the later phases. I may be a little rusty, though, as I just got back from a ~2 year hiatus.

This still tells me nothing. But it exists.

There's also a wholly empty poke of me in speedchuck's post. I'm not sure why it exists other than to say hi & heck, I guess.

cbob asks him to explain the Day 1 town read on Jay, which he does. Okay.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Really?

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

Badchuck's first conflict is with nutella. I think I like this, but it's not strong enough yet to say for sure that it indicates separate alignments.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:16 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

I'm from Bulbagarden, a Pokémon themed website. My first contact with this website was when a few players from here, including JJJ, played "The 100 Mafia" on that site. I've been on a few games here, only one in which I was really active though (Attack on Titan heist). My playstyle tends to be pushing players during D1, then analyzing the reactions and lynch wagons in the later phases. I may be a little rusty, though, as I just got back from a ~2 year hiatus.

Welcome back. Looking forward to seeing what you do!

We return to leetic for a moment. The only reason this post would exist if they're partners would be to put on a display of unfamiliarity in the thread. I don't think scum leetic and speedchuck feel it would be necessary to do that. I think speedchuck wanted to get his footing early in the game by drawing an introduction out of the newcomer. I'd put a townie point in leetic's basket.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Really?

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The heck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

nutella's harsh response to speedchuck does not look staged, and speedchuck's follow up to that looks like a bona fide attempt at shade. Tentative good look for nutella.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.

Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin

Scumreads: Nova, JoH

None of these reads are preceded by anything substantial. I believe he was compelled to explain all of them later, so I'll hold off on commenting until I get to that point.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:30 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:28 am my mafia/civ or civ/mafia reads in a particular order:

JackofHearts2005
Sloonei
nutella
JaggedJimmyJay

I don't actually know what this means

Apparent confusion at reywas' 4-player list. I don't think this tells me anything about their relationship, other than that they both apparently suspected Jack at this point.

Explanation of the aforementioned reads here:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.

Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin

Scumreads: Nova, JoH

I’d like to hear more about all of those.

Been townreading Sloonei since "Whacke". He's been great under some amount of pressure early on. That townread solidified when he defended Sabie, referencing the delicious MYLO from last game. I KNOW that's genuine. I was there. He hasn't been sucking up to the powers that be, hasn't been "trying too hard" (in nutella's words) to seem consistent or give thoughts on everyone. He just steps in where he sees a need and keeps his D0/D1 chill. I like it.

Elohcin hasn't done too much. She came in, made a catch-up post, and then left. But most of it reeked of sincerity, to me. It's partly a vibe I'm getting, but I'll try to explain it. When she was making the catch up post, she commented and gave her take on 4-5 things. Some of it had been said before, some of it she took a small step further. It didn't seem like she was trying to fake any thoughts, nor like she was straining for original content.

I guess both of these just seem too chill under the 'Jay Spray' for me to think them scum.

He starts by lathering me up in butter. It would be cool if others could comment on that. His town read on elohcin is more vague and seems to have been based on her tone in a few early posts. He does not touch his two scum reads (Jack & nova) at this time.
His treatment of Eloh here does not give me any strong leanings one way or the other on her.

Continued confusion toward reywas here. There's still not much to be made of this, but I will note that the tone is pretty casual and not very substantive. I tend to be skeptical of those types of exchanges when one of the participants is confirmed scum. I don't know how often it turns out to be a teammate interaction though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:44 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.

I buy that JJJ scumreads me because his standards for townchuck are apparently ridiculous.
I buy that nutella suspects me because she does that.
I don't buy that Jack actually thinks I've buddied Jay. Fake reason. Bleg.

Nova however is buddying the everlovin' hecking bejeezus out of JJJ.

If Jack is bad, he and speedchuck went for the hard distancing tactic early, but not immediately. I could see it. I don't think it's the case though.
I also give a townie point to nova here. This looks like speedchuck is trying to get the ball rolling. Counterargument would be that nova was safe from harm on Day 1, so it could be a good opportunity for casual distancing. Again, I don't think that's the case. But I'll keep it in mind.

Speedchuck follows up on this read here. This looks even less like "casual distancing" now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:35 am What is nova’s “normal play”?

Let's ignore the games where he doesn't show up.

About half the time, Nova is very reactive. Every post he makes matters, but he doesn't make a ton of them, especially early.

The other half of the time, Nova is very involved, but not quite a top poster. He's never the type to ride anyone else's coattails, and I've never seen him push for the thread to be more active.

This is all going off my memory, though, because I'm lazy.

Yeah nova's town. I should also note that I remember a specific instance during the end of Day 1 when luna said or did something which made me feel extremely confident that nova was town. I forget what it was, but it was one of the most distinct reads I formed that day. I'll look into it once I'm done with this post.

Compiling all of speedchuck's GTH reads in one place:

leetic: Good
reywas: Good
Sloonei: Good
Elohcin: Bad
Jay: Good
Luna: Good
Jack: Bad
nutella: Good
sabie: Bad
nova: Bad
colonialbob: Good
Audrey: "PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD"

Noteworthy in here is that his read on elohcin had changed from his initial stance. I believe this is his first mention of sabie anywhere, and he slaps a "bad" read on her. He shrugs at audrey. He also made this post in the middle of the GTH exercise:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:42 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.

He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye

linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?

I wanted you to provide a read which was an actual stance, and not one which is just the absence of a stance.

its the opening lynch and i have adhd. You ask too much.

My estimation of Sloondawg's alignment is currently going south for the winter.

Something about my exchange with reywas prompted him to pretend to see me as bad. If I was more engaged, I would have followed up on this. It also gets me thinking about his relationship with reywas again. This post is sandwiched by the following exchange:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:47 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:18 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.

He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye

linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?

Why do you read nutella as a civilian?

she's about the only person in this game i have experience playing mafia with. I'm not suspicious of her and felt comfortable putting her as a town read. I took the list 2 and 2 thing to be more like who would you feel most and least comfortable voting for in the opening lynch rather than being confident about whether or not said people are civ or mafia.

You have plently experience with me

do I? have you always used speedchuck as your handle? I dont recall the name. I have smoked a lot of pot in my time so forgive me i killed the brain cell that speed chuck lived on.

We played Socky earlier this month. That was you right?

No, we don't have a long history.

My initial reaction was that rey's forgetfulness of speedchuck could be indicative of them not being teammates, but on closer inspection that's not really what's going on here. It's more the case that speedchuck was messing with reywas a little, and the tone of this exchange again comes off as light banter.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:57 pm Talk to me about Sabie then.

90% of Sabie's posts are her complaining about silly accusations, making her own, then walking them back. Specifically regarding Nova and JJJ.
The other one is "where sloonei at he mus be busy"

I'm used to her first post in the game being lost, but still full of basic reads and stuff. She's posted more D1 than I'm used to, but somehow less.

I got that just now after looking back. It's not that strong, but hey, GTH.

First, this is another good look for nova.
Second, I could see this as speedchuck bussing sabie. He's made no mention of her prior, and I don't recall him making any sort of push against her afterwards. If that is indeed the case, then this is a lone accusation which actually appears to have some meat on it, but which was never followed up on at all. I am wary of pushing too hard against sabie after having just lost our last game played by doing exactly that when she was town, but I can't really be successful if I ignore evidence that is in front of me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:13 pm speedchuck, I'd be interested to hear about your present feelings on Elohcin, regardless of the GTH read.

Absence makes the heart forget why we ever loved in the first place

Ah. Speedchuck apparently forgot about his initial town read on Elohcin. I remember this, and looking back at it I think this is a good look for Eloh. A mafia member does not simply forget their behavior toward a teammate on Day 1. This seems way too nuanced to be a (very minor) Day 1 ploy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:00 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:56 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:06 pm i feel pretty good about Triple J now, so i'll remove him from my mafia read list. His posts are all very thoughtful and insightful....and they all seem to be a legit effort at finding the evil among us.

Yes, tell us more, sloonei. I'm all eyes....or ears if you decide to use vocarooooni

Whuch end of the spectrum was I on in your 4-person list?

I left the puzzle key right there in my post. *sighs*

I have you in the "don't wanna lynch at the moment" end of the spectrum.

Why the heck not?

because I needed 2 names and i hadn't made a crazy face at any of your posts yet.

But I spent like 24 hours goofing around and avoiding meaningful discussion altogether.

This is the only conversation Sloonei's had that gave me a negative vibe. The rest has been pretty positive.

The only other person to push this angle was reywas. leetic mentioned it in his ISO of me yesterday, but I believe he misread the exchange, and he didn't use it specifically as an argument against me.

Another good look for eloh

Speedchuck is passively on board to vote either Jack or leetic Day 1. I believe he was also on board with lynching luna, to be fair. Self-preservation was his primary motive here. I read the "maybe" as speedchuck walking back his eagerness so as to not appear too reckless with his vote. He needs to appear to be giving thought to things while also trying to survive. I don't know if this tells me much about either jack or leetic, but I've come to read each of them as town elsewhere in this exercise.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:13 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:49 pm im civvie as heck so....i place my bet on the other one that doesnt include me. I have 200 bucks on it.

I'm too stingy to bet, but yeah, going with this pick. Reywas is a good dude.

reywas and speedchuck have had a bunch of small casual interactions throughout the game. I've pointed all of them out. What do people make of these?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail

Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12

This looks like a list of reads descending from TOWN to SCUM. sabie and I are at the bottom, reywas is near the middle but on the favorable side. Noted. He explains his reywas read in the vaguest terms possible in his next post. Noted.

Speedchuck's activity fizzled as the day ended. His last three posts were a declaration of his townread on reywas (the competing wagon) and a resigned "vote for him anyway" then some puppy dog eyes when reywas also voted for him with an apology. There is a part of me that thinks the whole exchange is too playful for them to be partners. Each of them are going out of their way to stress that they don't want to vote for the other. I don't know if I've ever seen a scenario like that. I think it merits wider scrutiny. I'll post this now and reflect on it some more.

Setting that final exchange aside, I'd say reywas and sabie have the most evidence in support of a partnership. nova and eloh have the most working in their favor. nutella, audrey, jack, and leetic also had specific points in their favor. Obviously I ignored most of speedchuck's interactions with me. If someone else wants to look at those, that'd be cool.

Anyone got anything to say about yesterday’s nightkill, or are we all just assuming that Jay was getting killed no matter what? I never saw anyone touch that subject yesterday.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:58 pm I don't see Sloonei's joke.

REO speedwagon

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:04 pm Rey "calling out" the mafia team is #fakenews. leetic's focus on it makes me itch.

Yeah rey actually said he thought they were good soon after and it was all just him being silly like he didnt like peoples names.

And sloonei idk you tell me. If you're not bad then who is?

I asked you first.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:11 pm Speed-Wagon.

Got it.

You're not as funny as me btw. I feel like you're trying to do an impression of mafia Jack.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:58 pm I don't see Sloonei's joke.

I am outraged!

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:04 pm Rey "calling out" the mafia team is #fakenews. leetic's focus on it makes me itch.

Only one of them can be bad

[mention]sabie12[/mention] if I’m not bad, who is?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:23 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:52 pm At this point I'm seeing no reason not to vote speed so I'm going to. I'll keep an eye out if something else comes up.

Not my favorite post. No called vote means this is harder to see and fishing for an alternative wagon.

There were 3 people on Speed's wagon that seemingly wanted him dead: Jack, Nutella, Leet.
and two who didn't care: Sabie, Sloonei

Votes yesterday other than Nutella and Leet's earn no civ cred.

I poured my heart and soul into that dad rock joke.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:52 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:23 pm sabie12 you’ve repeatedly mentioned that my play in this game is different from my normal behavior, but you’ve always qualified this with an excuse for me. I’m not sure how you read me. Am I good or bad?

I was leaning towards bad but wasn't entirely sure. I felt a lot more strongly that speed was bad so I was more focused there. I know you had said you were more busy at first bu I was hoping to see more of your usual posts over time. I think you usually have a lot of good reads and input and I haven't seen much of that from you this game.

what’s your read on me at this very moment?

I am still leaning towards bad because you haven't done your usual scum hunting and your last minute change to speed vote.

The hunting will come. I’ve been limited.

Why is my speed vote bad?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:23 pm sabie12 you’ve repeatedly mentioned that my play in this game is different from my normal behavior, but you’ve always qualified this with an excuse for me. I’m not sure how you read me. Am I good or bad?

I was leaning towards bad but wasn't entirely sure. I felt a lot more strongly that speed was bad so I was more focused there. I know you had said you were more busy at first bu I was hoping to see more of your usual posts over time. I think you usually have a lot of good reads and input and I haven't seen much of that from you this game.

what’s your read on me at this very moment?

leetic’s tone in our conversations last night struck me as somebody who is confident he’s caught the last bad guy. I find it unlikely that he is bad.

I do not agree with the criteria he used to eliminate reywas from his POE, but I’m also trying to to default onto reywas as my top suspect going into tomorrow. I hope to do some interactive reads at some point later.

[mention]sabie12[/mention] you’ve repeatedly mentioned that my play in this game is different from my normal behavior, but you’ve always qualified this with an excuse for me. I’m not sure how you read me. Am I good or bad?

reywaS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:36 am force??? right....because I'm just now finding you suspect.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Y’all are trying way to hard to force a scum read on me.

Which is to say I’m throwing out all reads and starting from scratch tomorrow.

I’ll let others comment on that.

I may actually have some time to play this game properly Day 3. I still have not made a single non-phone post in this game.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:45 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

My rule of thumb is that if “WIFOM” is one’s strongest argument for a suspect, then it’s not a strong enough argument.

My rule of thumb is that if "too scummy to be scum" is one's strongest argument for a defense, then it's not a strong enough argument.

Would you agree that my only motivation to change my vote there would be WIFOM?

Nah. Your argument could just be a way of covering yourself from a bad move.

So you think I panicked?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

My rule of thumb is that if “WIFOM” is one’s strongest argument for a suspect, then it’s not a strong enough argument.

My rule of thumb is that if "too scummy to be scum" is one's strongest argument for a defense, then it's not a strong enough argument.

Would you agree that my only motivation to change my vote there would be WIFOM?

I mean, we can spare me and I’m not heavily invested in this game. But we’d be better off not lynching me.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:16 am Hmm I think I'll be voting Sloonei as soon as the sun rises.

I hope not.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:14 am There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

WIFOM

My rule of thumb is that if “WIFOM” is one’s strongest argument for a suspect, then it’s not a strong enough argument.

There is no reason for scum sloonei to draw attention to himself by shifting his vote to speedchuck last second.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am If I’m bad, I’m painting a big red target on me with that move.

Is "too scummy to be scum" really a good defense?

Yes. You just used a similar argument to clear reywas

If I’m bad, I’m painting a big red target on me with that move.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:55 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

Or I just had a joke to make.

That's not the point. The point is, you joined the speed wagon at a very convenient time.

I disagree.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

Or I just had a joke to make.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:08 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?

Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.

When was the entire mafia team “revealed”?

[mention]leetic[/mention] why are you clearing reywas?

Lunachuck was finally bad and it lasted two minutes.

Consolidating votes on the speedwagon. I can’t fight this feeling anymore!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:59 pm okay, I like what Sloonei said....If I don;t think about the trains and just go with who I think could be bad, it would be sabie. Sorry Sabie, I hope you are feeling better. But I have to vote you.

That’s not exactly what I said, but why sabie?

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:28 pm i still think @leetic is strange and is mafia

Hi Audrey! Can you tell us what is strange about leetic?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:22 pm I don't know who to vote for. I think this is a civ/civ lynch here.

Work through that. Why do you feel like each of them are civ?
If yours was the only vote that mattered, who woukd you vote for?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

I'm not entirely sure I like this way of thinking. Last game I played in, I didn't vote someone on D1 because I liked the way the votes were going. I wasn't there at EOD, and it resulted in a no lynch, which was the first major mistake leading to an eventual scum victory. If you have someone you want to vote, you should vote them or you might regret it later as I did.

I like my vote on reywas.

There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

[mention]leetic[/mention]’s ISO of me looks very good and I think it reflects an honest attempt to figure me out. I’ve not been easy this game. But I do want to correct a single issue: in my initial interaction with reywas, he had me as a town read in his GTH read. I was uncertain of this initially because of the ambiguity in his wording, but my posture in the ensuing conversation was not a defensive one. I was the aggressor there, trying to make reywas explain why he had a town read on a particular player. That player happened to be me.

I’m still in my phone and still don’t feel like digging up quotes.

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:10 pm I put a vote on reywas

Why?

For reasons previously expressed.

right...and for those that dont remember i will rehash. You assigned a tone to my questions to JJJ that was not there. You said my question "felt" unmotivated" and basically i was doing it for....what reason again? I forget what you said my motivation for that was. You are the one with the feels but zero actual evidence so I'll give you the mic back my dude.

Why did you ask those questions?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:46 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:28 am Sloonei, I'd really like to hear what you think of Jack given the new information.

I thought he looked better in a few instances, but nothing locked him in as a town read. He remains on my radar, but probably not my first choice.

Hmm, this feels... what's the word...

tepid.

What's the definitive stance here?

Jack is still a suspect, but not as much as before

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:38 pm @Sloonei do you have anything to say about my recent posts concerning your activity?

I don’t see how my stance on Jack was “tepid”. I offered a definitive stance accompanied by reasons for doubt.

When I called him tepid earlier, it was because he was repeatedly saying things that implied suspicion of me, but wasn’t going so far as to actually say he was suspicious.

The reywas stuff is a bad look because it doesn’t look like an active civilian mindset. His questions for Jay felt forced and aimless. His lack of participation afterwards felt... lacking.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:10 pm I put a vote on reywas

Why?

For reasons previously expressed.

Why are you so unhelpful this game?

I’m not trying to be. I just don’t have as much time for the game. My posts about reywas are fairly recent in my post history. I haven’t done much since then.

I thought his end of day behavior was flat. He asked some questions of Jay that felt empty to me, and then he contributed nothing as the votes changed from speed to luna.