speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am
@leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.
JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.
Aw heck @Sloonei
One of chuck's earliest interactions is to prod leetic with a blank jab. This tells me nothing on its own. How did leetic respond?
With a shortform mafia resume:
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am
@leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.
I'm from Bulbagarden, a Pokémon themed website. My first contact with this website was when a few players from here, including JJJ, played "The 100 Mafia" on that site. I've been on a few games here, only one in which I was really active though (Attack on Titan heist). My playstyle tends to be pushing players during D1, then analyzing the reactions and lynch wagons in the later phases. I may be a little rusty, though, as I just got back from a ~2 year hiatus.
This still tells me nothing. But it exists.
There's also a wholly empty poke of me in speedchuck's post. I'm not sure why it exists other than to say hi & heck, I guess.
cbob
asks him to explain the Day 1 town read on Jay, which he does. Okay.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm
Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too
Really?
Yep.
Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.
Badchuck's first conflict is with nutella. I think I like this, but it's not strong enough yet to say for sure that it indicates separate alignments.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am
@leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.
I'm from Bulbagarden, a Pokémon themed website. My first contact with this website was when a few players from here, including JJJ, played "The 100 Mafia" on that site. I've been on a few games here, only one in which I was really active though (Attack on Titan heist). My playstyle tends to be pushing players during D1, then analyzing the reactions and lynch wagons in the later phases. I may be a little rusty, though, as I just got back from a ~2 year hiatus.
Welcome back. Looking forward to seeing what you do!
We return to leetic for a moment. The only reason this post would exist if they're partners would be to put on a display of unfamiliarity in the thread. I don't think scum leetic and speedchuck feel it would be necessary to do that. I think speedchuck wanted to get his footing early in the game by drawing an introduction out of the newcomer. I'd put a townie point in leetic's basket.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm
Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too
Really?
Yep.
Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.
The heck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.
Yes, I want you to generate
content. That post said nothing, had no content.
I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?
nutella's harsh response to speedchuck does not look staged, and speedchuck's follow up to that looks like a bona fide attempt at shade. Tentative good look for nutella.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am
Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.
Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin
Scumreads: Nova, JoH
None of these reads are preceded by anything substantial. I believe he was compelled to explain all of them later, so I'll hold off on commenting until I get to that point.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:30 am
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:28 am
my mafia/civ or civ/mafia reads in a particular order:
JackofHearts2005
Sloonei
nutella
JaggedJimmyJay
I don't actually know what this means
Apparent confusion at reywas' 4-player list. I don't think this tells me anything about their relationship, other than that they both apparently suspected Jack at this point.
Explanation of the aforementioned reads here:
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:25 am
Leaving JJJ off my list because that's just boring.
Townreads: Sloonei, Elohcin
Scumreads: Nova, JoH
I’d like to hear more about all of those.
Been townreading Sloonei since "Whacke". He's been great under some amount of pressure early on. That townread solidified when he defended Sabie, referencing the delicious MYLO from last game. I KNOW that's genuine. I was there. He hasn't been sucking up to the powers that be, hasn't been "trying too hard" (in nutella's words) to seem consistent or give thoughts on everyone. He just steps in where he sees a need and keeps his D0/D1 chill. I like it.
Elohcin hasn't done too much. She came in, made a catch-up post, and then left. But most of it reeked of sincerity, to me. It's partly a vibe I'm getting, but I'll try to explain it. When she was making the catch up post, she commented and gave her take on 4-5 things. Some of it had been said before, some of it she took a small step further. It didn't seem like she was trying to fake any thoughts, nor like she was straining for original content.
I guess both of these just seem too chill under the 'Jay Spray' for me to think them scum.
He starts by lathering me up in butter. It would be cool if others could comment on that. His town read on elohcin is more vague and seems to have been based on her tone in a few early posts. He does not touch his two scum reads (Jack & nova) at this time.
His treatment of Eloh here does not give me any strong leanings one way or the other on her.
Continued confusion toward reywas
here. There's still not much to be made of this, but I will note that the tone is pretty casual and not very substantive. I tend to be skeptical of those types of exchanges when one of the participants is confirmed scum. I don't know how often it turns out to be a teammate interaction though.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm
Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.
I buy that JJJ scumreads me because his standards for townchuck are apparently ridiculous.
I buy that nutella suspects me because she does that.
I don't buy that Jack actually thinks I've buddied Jay. Fake reason. Bleg.
Nova however
is buddying the everlovin' hecking bejeezus out of JJJ.
If Jack is bad, he and speedchuck went for the hard distancing tactic early, but not immediately. I could see it. I don't think it's the case though.
I also give a townie point to nova here. This looks like speedchuck is trying to get the ball rolling. Counterargument would be that nova was safe from harm on Day 1, so it could be a good opportunity for casual distancing. Again, I don't think that's the case. But I'll keep it in mind.
Speedchuck follows up on this read
here. This looks even less like "casual distancing" now.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:35 am
What is nova’s “normal play”?
Let's ignore the games where he doesn't show up.
About half the time, Nova is very reactive. Every post he makes matters, but he doesn't make a ton of them, especially early.
The other half of the time, Nova is very involved, but not quite a top poster. He's never the type to ride anyone else's coattails, and I've never seen him push for the thread to be more active.
This is all going off my memory, though, because I'm lazy.
Yeah nova's town. I should also note that I remember a specific instance during the end of Day 1 when luna said or did something which made me feel extremely confident that nova was town. I forget what it was, but it was one of the most distinct reads I formed that day. I'll look into it once I'm done with this post.
Compiling all of speedchuck's GTH reads in one place:
leetic: Good
reywas: Good
Sloonei: Good
Elohcin: Bad
Jay: Good
Luna: Good
Jack: Bad
nutella: Good
sabie: Bad
nova: Bad
colonialbob: Good
Audrey: "PROBABLY KINDA NICE IDK BAD"
Noteworthy in here is that his read on elohcin had changed from his initial stance. I believe this is his first mention of sabie anywhere, and he slaps a "bad" read on her. He shrugs at audrey. He also made this post in the middle of the GTH exercise:
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:42 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm
reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.
He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye
linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?
I wanted you to provide a read which was an actual stance, and not one which is just the absence of a stance.
its the opening lynch and i have adhd. You ask too much.
My estimation of Sloondawg's alignment is currently going south for the winter.
Something about my exchange with reywas prompted him to pretend to see me as bad. If I was more engaged, I would have followed up on this. It also gets me thinking about his relationship with reywas again. This post is sandwiched by the following exchange:
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:47 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:18 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm
reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.
He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye
linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?
Why do you read nutella as a civilian?
she's about the only person in this game i have experience playing mafia with. I'm not suspicious of her and felt comfortable putting her as a town read. I took the list 2 and 2 thing to be more like who would you feel most and least comfortable voting for in the opening lynch rather than being confident about whether or not said people are civ or mafia.
You have plently experience with me
do I? have you always used speedchuck as your handle? I dont recall the name. I have smoked a lot of pot in my time so forgive me i killed the brain cell that speed chuck lived on.
We played Socky earlier this month. That was you right?
No, we don't have a long history.
My initial reaction was that rey's forgetfulness of speedchuck could be indicative of them not being teammates, but on closer inspection that's not really what's going on here. It's more the case that speedchuck was messing with reywas a little, and the tone of this exchange again comes off as light banter.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:02 pm
90% of Sabie's posts are her complaining about silly accusations, making her own, then walking them back. Specifically regarding Nova and JJJ.
The other one is "where sloonei at he mus be busy"
I'm used to her first post in the game being lost, but still full of basic reads and stuff. She's posted more D1 than I'm used to, but somehow less.
I got that just now after looking back. It's not that strong, but hey, GTH.
First, this is another good look for nova.
Second, I could see this as speedchuck bussing sabie. He's made no mention of her prior, and I don't recall him making any sort of push against her afterwards. If that is indeed the case, then this is a lone accusation which actually appears to have some meat on it, but which was never followed up on at all. I am wary of pushing too hard against sabie after having just lost our last game played by doing exactly that when she was town, but I can't really be successful if I ignore evidence that is in front of me.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:13 pm
speedchuck, I'd be interested to hear about your present feelings on Elohcin, regardless of the GTH read.
Absence makes the heart forget why we ever loved in the first place
Ah. Speedchuck apparently forgot about his initial town read on Elohcin. I remember this, and looking back at it I think this is a good look for Eloh. A mafia member does not simply forget their behavior toward a teammate on Day 1. This seems way too nuanced to be a (very minor) Day 1 ploy.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:00 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:56 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:06 pm
i feel pretty good about Triple J now, so i'll remove him from my mafia read list. His posts are all very thoughtful and insightful....and they all seem to be a legit effort at finding the evil among us.
Yes, tell us more, sloonei. I'm all eyes....or ears if you decide to use vocarooooni
Whuch end of the spectrum was I on in your 4-person list?
I left the puzzle key right there in my post. *sighs*
I have you in the "don't wanna lynch at the moment" end of the spectrum.
Why the heck not?
because I needed 2 names and i hadn't made a crazy face at any of your posts yet.
But I spent like 24 hours goofing around and avoiding meaningful discussion altogether.
This is the only conversation Sloonei's had that gave me a negative vibe. The rest has been pretty positive.
The only other person to push this angle was reywas. leetic mentioned it in his ISO of me yesterday, but I believe he misread the exchange, and he didn't use it specifically as an argument against me.
Another good look for eloh
Speedchuck is
passively on board to vote either Jack or leetic Day 1. I believe he was also on board with lynching luna, to be fair. Self-preservation was his primary motive here. I read the "maybe" as speedchuck walking back his eagerness so as to not appear too reckless with his vote. He needs to appear to be giving thought to things while also trying to survive. I don't know if this tells me much about either jack or leetic, but I've come to read each of them as town elsewhere in this exercise.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:13 am
reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:49 pm
im civvie as heck so....i place my bet on the other one that doesnt include me. I have 200 bucks on it.
I'm too stingy to bet, but yeah, going with this pick. Reywas is a good dude.
reywas and speedchuck have had a bunch of small casual interactions throughout the game. I've pointed all of them out. What do people make of these?
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:17 am
speedchuck
nutella
colonialbob
novaselinenever
reywaS
AudreyTheTattleTail
Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Sloonei
sabie12
This looks like a list of reads descending from TOWN to SCUM. sabie and I are at the bottom, reywas is near the middle but on the favorable side. Noted. He explains his reywas read in
the vaguest terms possible in his next post. Noted.
Speedchuck's activity fizzled as the day ended. His last three posts were a declaration of his townread on reywas (the competing wagon) and a resigned "vote for him anyway" then some puppy dog eyes when reywas also voted for him with an apology. There is a part of me that thinks the whole exchange is
too playful for them to be partners. Each of them are going out of their way to stress that they don't want to vote for the other. I don't know if I've ever seen a scenario like that. I think it merits wider scrutiny. I'll post this now and reflect on it some more.
Setting that final exchange aside, I'd say reywas and sabie have the most evidence in support of a partnership. nova and eloh have the most working in their favor. nutella, audrey, jack, and leetic also had specific points in their favor. Obviously I ignored most of speedchuck's interactions with me. If someone else wants to look at those, that'd be cool.