The Syndicate

well ain’t that just a concrete farting chicken

Now I’m contemplating a Martin/baker world

I don’t think all of Wilgy/martin/baker are wolf

Like if I could just remove baker from the POE today, that’ll be just swell

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:50 pm If Robyn is town and knows how to read Baker better than me, then I should trust my better.
I'm preety sure I have the most experience with Baker in this game, just as much as he has the most experience with me. At the very least, I have known baker since the very first forum mafia game he has played.

At face-value I'd say if either of us was wolves then, based on the above, the other would be dead from an NK at some point. The lack of NKs probably messes with that to some extent, but I don't think Baker has really tried pocketing me at all (wherein I'm assuming pocket attempts is the alternative to trying to resolve the other from threatening wolves). At least, not with intention. At worst he's tried implicitly manipulating me a bit on early d2 but that wasn't much and it wasn't a consistent behavior so I think its safe to write it off.

Not to prod against your baker meta, because I think it is valuable, but if the game is really mech’d out with mafia not getting NKs the first 2 nights, doesn’t that change the way a person approaches the game?

This isn’t me trying to smear baker, but the possibility I’m looking at is- what has baker done since the we’ve had a NK? Do you think baker *always* NKs you instead of MR last night? If the answer is yes, that is probably really informative

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:45 pm Presently of the mind that its 3 wolves between

robyn/delta/porscha/baker

I've now permanently removed Scotty. He's now in a position equal to Stick -- I wouldn't ever consider consolidating on them. In theory DrWilgy is possible for me to consolidate on but I really wouldn't like to encourage people to go hard-core and glue on to him just so they can force my vote on a plausible town. I vibe with DrWilgy's latest pragmatic takes and some of his seeming conflicts -- reminds me of some past LYLO situations I've been in as town while being unconfident.

I would very much like to see both Wilgy and Scotty on the same wagon by the end of the day. I would join them as well no matter who they were voting if they were together on that vote. Except Stick, but I don't expect that to happen for raisins.

What? Why have you removed me and not Wilgy from your list?

I strongly disagree with who we should vote out, based on history.

The forefront of my thinking since there’s still no wolf flips is that D1 wagon: >stick, Martin, Wilgy, baker<

Removing stick from the equation, I’m left with you three, who I have had at tops of my town reads list off and on through most the game. IMO at least one of those is a hit and I’d like to vote there today.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:26 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:09 pm @DrWilgy [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

If you’re town please help. Who’s your top suspect?

My track record is really good in lylo but I can’t solve everything (though I can try )
Been busy.

PoE still contains Porscha, Stick, Delta, Robyn.

Still game losing.

Baker's out of PoE via dichotomy with Robyn. Robyn vouching is of 3 options 1. a correct civ 2. a wolf with tmi 3. A wolf shielding buddy.

Any of these situations Robyn's in control of the dichotomy and to be yeeted first.

I do intend on deeper diving this evening when the kids are asleep.
erm, why is it not possible robyn's read on baker could be from an incorrect civ? and option 3, wouldn't that mean baker would be poe *with* robyn and therefore baker shouldn't be out of poe from your perspective?
I mean, I've given case and case as to why I think Baker is w. People, especially Robyn seem to disagree.

If Robyn is town, and js wrong, and this is lylo, then it really doesn't matter as we lose anyways. These two together just seem to indicate that it's now out of my hands to control and thus I'll move on to exploring the dichotomy around then from a winning perspective, which is, solve Robyn before Baker.

Baker is out of PoE until Robyn solved.

In Robyn’s defense, they aren’t always right.

And the dooming sentiment that we lose if Robyn is wrong is…not helpful? I feel like Robyn is behaving in a way similar to how LC behaved, and I was very wrong about him. A lot of the game has felt getting rid of the middle of the road players, and if we really are in a 3 person mafia, we’re being led around by *someone* or *sometwo*. Robyn hasn’t done much leading- if anything, they’ve just been coasting.

Can mafia coast? Probably, but look at our yeets: falcon, DM, LC. DM could be in contention for a big contributor that was misyeeted, but in the big scope, someone is pulling the strings here.

I feel like our chances increase of getting out of today if we focus on *who* has been yanking our underwear and giving us wedgies as opposed to a slot like Robyn/porscha/delta. Even if I have certain reservations about all of those names

@DrWilgy [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

If you’re town please help. Who’s your top suspect?

My track record is really good in lylo but I can’t solve everything (though I can try

)

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:24 pm Voting Stick is autoloss unless someone else is 3p and would like to speak up because it's LYLO, she dies, wolves kill, wolves win.

Baker idling there isn't good if they're town because it means wolves can just chill and snipe Stick for the win. So I'm worried about them snapping there then disappearing when it's not the play based on numbers.

If baker never comes back, how do you view that slot?

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:22 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:46 pm Just perusing delta again in a vacuum of just today;
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:03 pm Fuck me I wish I'd died yesterday now that's

More than annoying LMAO

If anyone has any mech surrounding potential no kills now would be the time to out that
This first post of the day rubs me the wrong way. Basically tries to clear the air around how bad it looks for them. As I said earlier, pretty WIFOMy but also this is an easy woe-is-me post to make.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:08 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:04 pm out your person, @Stick

@Delta what are your reads as of right now?

[VOTE: wigly] aubergine
I think Porscha could be a wolf & if so, Wilgy could be as well for how he reacted to me EOD?. I do believe his SOD though & said I'd reread him if LC flipped v which happened so eh

I think Stick has to be 3p looking at numbers and the situation we're in

Outside of that I am v curious about Martin's EOD and Scotty in general since I didn't see much of him yesterday, same w Baker
Delta’s POE: Porscha/Wilgy/Martin/Scotty/baker/count chocula/the stench coming from the bathroom

I feel like I was pretty around yesterday. And martin’s eod was not unlike his behavior all game. Granted, you only had yesterday as live context, but my point stands that you seem pretty open to tinfoiling over half the player list.

I feel like your slight shade of Wilgy while also hedging looks wolf compatible
Doesn't really clear the air? Just me expressing my thoughts since coming into a kill today was not what I really expected

& yeah I dunno if you realised this but half the playerlist are wolves at this point :wowee: I have to be pretty open about things, especially since I wasnt here beforehand. My main POE are the first 3 & yourself/Baker are more "I'd like to check in with these people"

I get your point but my point was that the breadth of your Poe is too wide at this point, and it comes off as opportunistic

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:36 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 2:56 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:33 pm I also have a decent suspicion as to who Stick has to protect and I'm fairly sure whoever they're protecting is town.

So like I'm never voting Stick here. That's GG if you guys are right and we have to vote out Stick (alongside the wolves) to win, which I don't think is the case.
I feel like there’s a bit of confbiasing, because in the scenario where stick is wolf…they just name someone not on their team and call it a baked apple pie.

So I see Martin and Robyn defending stick here. Interesting.

Wilgy is playing the ‘I got nothing’ card.

Delta is someone I’m just going to listen to today
Hahahahahahaha I hate this game
why are you going to "listen" to delta? do you mean just follow him?

I don’t know what I mean. I feel like I’m full of contradictions, since now I feel bamboozled all around on what I should be thinking.

I reread your wall and I agree with Martin that it feels very mech-heavy and all I got from it is that we shouldn’t vote a 3p today.

Since you’ve replaced in, do you have any strong scum reads? Because I can’t remember them

Just perusing delta again in a vacuum of just today;

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:03 pm Fuck me I wish I'd died yesterday now that's

More than annoying LMAO

If anyone has any mech surrounding potential no kills now would be the time to out that

This first post of the day rubs me the wrong way. Basically tries to clear the air around how bad it looks for them. As I said earlier, pretty WIFOMy but also this is an easy woe-is-me post to make.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:08 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:04 pm out your person, @Stick

@Delta what are your reads as of right now?

[VOTE: wigly] aubergine
I think Porscha could be a wolf & if so, Wilgy could be as well for how he reacted to me EOD?. I do believe his SOD though & said I'd reread him if LC flipped v which happened so eh

I think Stick has to be 3p looking at numbers and the situation we're in

Outside of that I am v curious about Martin's EOD and Scotty in general since I didn't see much of him yesterday, same w Baker

Delta’s POE: Porscha/Wilgy/Martin/Scotty/baker/count chocula/the stench coming from the bathroom

I feel like I was pretty around yesterday. And martin’s eod was not unlike his behavior all game. Granted, you only had yesterday as live context, but my point stands that you seem pretty open to tinfoiling over half the player list.

I feel like your slight shade of Wilgy while also hedging looks wolf compatible

Stick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:00 am but also, 3 mafia with regular NKs wouldve been scuffed as hell

d1: 1v3v8
d2: 1v3v6
d3: 1v3v4

lylo wouldve been one cycle earlier

it's possible their NK was just,,,disabled the first 2 nights by default?

Oooooh that’s maybe just the most obvious answer here. Unconventional to be sure, but that allows for a bit of development for town

What does that do for mafia psyche? Would they want to lay low or be a driving force to be power wolf? I legitimately don’t know how I’d play thst

Stick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:46 am ....i had wilgy and LC down as 'exactly 1 wolf between them' and wilgy's switch off me to LC after my claim was pretty awful. remember, mafia gain nothing from flipping a 3p there, only killing a villager advances their wincon and from a mafia pov my 3p claim is 100% believable

I want to kill a mafia today that looks like they’ve had agenda. If there truly are 3 wolves, we have been led astray somewhere by some big talkers. If we find that, the dominos can fall for the rest of the game.

You I assume getting yanked if your significant other dies is really dangerous, and I guess that means we have to be perfect from here on.

I can hear cases on Wilgy since he did vote for falcon D1, and has had a throughline of voting out town with charge. But I feel hypocritical as I have also been hovering around those same or similar conclusions- it’s a big reason why I’ve been townreading him all game…it would feel like finding mold on my pizza that I’ve been snacking away on for an hour

Stick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:40 am
Stick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:56 am in hindsight we shouldnt have flashwagoned an AFK guy in a closed setup game, but it happens!! i wasnt really thinking about PRs ill admit lol.
read: i wasnt really thinking about the village wincon or the mafia wincon - both care about PRs

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:02 pm [unvote]Darling Monroe[/unvote]

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:03 pm actually no, im not letting myself swayed by this

[VOTE: Darling Monroe] aubergine

sorry if wrong
when i unvoted DM there i was about ~80% sure theyd flip village but the CW was...myself and i couldnt risk dying

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:45 am ok i will try to find 1 wolf today
this was unironically just me announcing i'd be townsiding D3

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:49 am honestly? no. ive been acting pretty wolfy so i get it
another 3p soft ^ i didnt want to be... too townie to the point where i got potentially NK'd so at times i intentionally said wolfy things. that isnt to say i didnt try to look townie at all, because i did want to avoid getting exe'd

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:10 am i promise there's a perfectly reasonable explanation
blatant 3p soft ^

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:15 pm If you (or anyone else) can convincingly towncase LC I’ll let you kill me today
i have no reason to say this as either wolf or town, it's counter-intuitive to my own wincon as either of those alignments

@baker @Scotty

Ok, this and that monstrous wall from Porscha tell me you’re probably telling the truth

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Someone either walk me back from the edge on this or push me off

I am unmoved in thinking stick is lying about her alignment. The whole thing reeks of a gambit trying to save her own ass at end of day yesterday and now that we’re in lylo, she has some cheerleaders to help her along.

This isn’t to say I think Martin and Robyn are her partners but like

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:06 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:01 am then, like, why can't they just out that when they become a majority wagon? or when they think it'll soon be past the point of no return? we'll know that either someone's wrong in their reading or is being a wolf if they're voting a plausible town from that fact

idealistically I'd like to think the latter

if we just reveal now everyone will avoid it like the plauge and we won't get any further information from it, assuming anyone even pushes the to-be-protected person
what's the point? this day won't be active at all and i'd like stick to out it immediately. otherwise as baker mentioned they aren't townsiding. i'm gonna assume baker/you/stick/stick's +1 are all town and voila

scotty/wigly/delta is probably the team in that case because i don't think delta is stick's +1 or they'd be more active to chainsaw the delta chop

Wow your scum team is….wow

Your takes are flat out opposite of mine today and I feel like that’s a bad sign

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:01 am then, like, why can't they just out that when they become a majority wagon? or when they think it'll soon be past the point of no return? we'll know that either someone's wrong in their reading or is being a wolf if they're voting a plausible town from that fact

idealistically I'd like to think the latter

if we just reveal now everyone will avoid it like the plauge and we won't get any further information from it, assuming anyone even pushes the to-be-protected person

Realistically, if we think stick is who she says she is and her partner is town, wouldn’t outing that person help narrow the POE?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:33 pm I also have a decent suspicion as to who Stick has to protect and I'm fairly sure whoever they're protecting is town.

So like I'm never voting Stick here. That's GG if you guys are right and we have to vote out Stick (alongside the wolves) to win, which I don't think is the case.

I feel like there’s a bit of confbiasing, because in the scenario where stick is wolf…they just name someone not on their team and call it a baked apple pie.

So I see Martin and Robyn defending stick here. Interesting.

Wilgy is playing the ‘I got nothing’ card.

Delta is someone I’m just going to listen to today
Hahahahahahaha I hate this game

The way I look at it:
-2 mafia and 1 scum-siding indie in this game sounds reasonable.
-3 mafia and 1 town-siding indie in this game sounds reasonable.

I can’t for the life of me figure out how you’re actually playing though, Stick

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:11 pm
Stick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:45 pm i have no abilities, no

also i dont think i should out their identity? does doing so help the village orrr?
You have previously said you don’t even know their identity, so probably means nothing?

Though if I’m designing a game (keeping in mind I don’t know shit that’s happening this game behind the scenes with other powers that have yet to be revealed) if these numbers are correct, you would be a town-sided 3p role to help even the scales. And a town sided role would most likely have a town partner you want to keep alive. Right??

Sorry, I meant to say you don’t know their *alignment

Stick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:45 pm i have no abilities, no

also i dont think i should out their identity? does doing so help the village orrr?

You have previously said you don’t even know their identity, so probably means nothing?

Though if I’m designing a game (keeping in mind I don’t know shit that’s happening this game behind the scenes with other powers that have yet to be revealed) if these numbers are correct, you would be a town-sided 3p role to help even the scales. And a town sided role would most likely have a town partner you want to keep alive. Right??

A) the timing of the kill when delta subbed in is so incredibly WIFOMy and at this point I wanna say fuck it, I don’t even want to go that route today because I think mafia is baiting us
B) the numbers don’t make sense with 3 mafia and a 3p. Especially if stick’s role is what she says it is. What even is that kind of role called? I’ve never heard of it
C) [VOTE: Stick] aubergine

Stick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:03 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:05 pm I dont get the lack of kills on the days before if not due to town mech except the possibility of someone needing to meet some sort've criteria?

@Stick are you able to out who you have to keep alive & is there anything else to your role?
inb4 scum had to guess the 3p to trigger NKs

i doubt there's a RBer just sitting on results or that there's a doctor with 2 saves after falcon already flipped a protect role

I feel like I’m about to go full blown eating the tinfoil at this point, but

Why did you decide to claim when you did?

Stick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:48 pm also it's 3 mafia i think? cuz with 8 alive it's - 1v3v4

so ig if you sleep and mafia NK me bc theyre insane, that's the only way today isnt technically lylo

am i missing anything?

Is sleep even an option?

I just. I’m kinda lost right now. Just gonna out that I’m VT and don’t have any particular powers and this whole conjecture thing is getting really annoying.

A 12 person game with 3 mafia, 8 town and 1 indie has a balance problem, and I really feel like Leetic wouldn’t leave us high and dry if we lost falcon’s role so early like we did. Something’s wonky

I do think there is at least 1 wolf now between LC and stick

happy new year everyone

Still don’t know what this means for the lack of NKs but that’s for another day

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:38 pm Sorry Scotty lol
For what?
Changing my vote exactly as you posted your vote count post

It’s aight, they’re more as bench marks anyway

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:12 pm
If it means anything, I would find this to be a particularly distasteful ploy to use as a Wolf.
o shit i kinda wanna believe that you believe this

Quiet, you’re supposed to be distancing

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:38 pm Sorry Scotty lol

For what?

Current votes:

Long con > Robyn, Scotty, delta, MR
Delta > Martin, LC, Wilgy
Stick > baker
Unvote > stick

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Current POE: delta/Porscha for afk team, LC/stick > baker/robyn

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:25 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:46 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:45 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm Theres 4 of you trying to kill my slot and my personal job is to make sure that either doesnt happen or it looks horrible for you all afterwards
hmmm
Dont hmmm me, reads, go
I have liked your entrance to be sure
Do you now. Hm. I'm not sure I do.

I don’t anymore lol

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:24 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:37 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:26 am um
i'm gonna try to like. read at least some of the game before end of day tomorrow but i'm still not feeling well so no guarantees

is there someone who is like lock town in case I need to sheep vote tomorrow?
Consensus is that MR has their head on straight. I'd start there.
This is not a position I am used to being in. It's strange and I don't like it.
Not to be rutabaga, but sounds like a you problem. Should’ve tried being less towny
Normally people don't find me this towny. I don't entirely know what I'm doing differently. But next wolf game I am copy/pasting my posts from here.

I can’t put my finger on it. I don’t even recall meta on you, but the way you’re approaching the game doesn’t seem like it has agenda. Pointed statements, not afraid to put yourself out there. I do recall you generally being slanky in our past games, but I don’t think that’s an alignment thing.

Watch you be 3p or something.

Man, I’m tinfoiling a stick/LC team now. What’s going on

Like, I still haven’t forgotten how the first wagon for falcon was Martin/wilgy/stick/baker and how improbable it would be for that to contain all town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:04 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:18 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:23 am I don't advise you folks to read Wilgy based on activity or investment in a game. He'll slank or lead the thread as town or mafia.
Ok I guess I am just giving Wilgy an activity read. He's just nothing like his recent Wolf game.
Seeing as both you and he predate me on the Syndicate I assume you two have shared more than a few games over the years. Do you have thoughts on his meta in relation to activity level?

I've seen Wilgy slank town, active town, and slank wolf. Never active wolf as I recall, but I'm pretty sure he can do it as per others' opinions of him. But if you disagree let me know.

He can. Activity level is NAI. Gotta look at the content and how he votes

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:14 am
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:00 am if that's long con's scum game i'm disappointed
It's Long Con's "shouldn't have been in two concurrent games during busy holiday season" game.

I just couldn't find a handle to focus enough to play this one rught.

You’re posting like the world ends next week and you didn’t stock up on water and toilet paper so you’ve just given up

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:24 am ok then ill try to save my wolf buddy LC

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

-1 points

I’m demoting you to splinter

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:23 am I don't advise you folks to read Wilgy based on activity or investment in a game. He'll slank or lead the thread as town or mafia.

I’m townreading him based on wagonomics D1 and his general points that seem to line up with mine.

Which can sometimes backfire as I’ve been wrong and pocketed before, but I’m conveniently ignoring history for the moment

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:16 am
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:14 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:09 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:46 am I've caught up.

Someone let me know if we are voting Stick/LC or Delta.

Tyvm.

Gn.
if wilgy's mafia this is 3 town BTW ^
but do you believe that he's scum?
Wolves only killing via arson would be wack

But its a leetic game and i just played one from him that had some wack mechanics too so maybe it just is something wonky like that

I’ve never played with arsonist. I looked it up, but don’t really understand. Is it a delayed kill after mark? Why wouldn’t they just last night for a double kill?

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:09 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:46 am I've caught up.

Someone let me know if we are voting Stick/LC or Delta.

Tyvm.

Gn.
if wilgy's mafia this is 3 town BTW ^

No rule of 3?

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:56 am everyone has LC in poe and i literally read the entire thread yesterday and i don't recall a single LC post, i ought to put him in poe

also this is premature but i am very inclined to just take delta as town and start pushing an active player [stick, wigly]

Ah.

Your Wilgy take is bonkers tho

Spoiler: show

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:49 am baker read:

beginning with baker's iso he's comfortable in the thread, making jokes and saying things that come to mind, and he likes playing with his friend martin who is someone he knows (as he doesn't know anyone else in this lobby i'm fairly sure). and he decides to sheep me off a vague read because i am presumably town and he's self aware that if martin is a wolf martin is fairly capable of tricking him. if he was mafia i feel like he'd just give martin his vote as a show of good faith or something. because he'd be being cautious of martin and trying to appeal to him. instead he's comfortable with him and not trying to appeal to him at all. which just read as towny to me

next he called out scotty's suspicion of baker, as calling himself lhf, with self righteousness. i don't feel like baker is the kind of wolf to get aggressive immediately and instead he would try to negotiate or townread. and if he was a wolf he’d probably drop his suspicion very quickly or not try to make it a full on issue with multiple follow up posts

i really liked p304, after identifying himself as lhf he criticizes scotty of pushing another lhf (abbie) and post times make it 10 minutes later from the first scotty criticism, which i find towny because it’s a live catch up where he’s pushing the person for what he finds as a valid reason (pushing lhf). and he points out that scotty’s question was a suggestion look into abbie, as in go after lhf. and like he can say that it’s bad and all and that’s standard but the fact that he said appealing to martin mean’s he’s considering and worldbuilding (abbie, scotty, and martin’s) alignments in like 50 words

his next post 4 minutes later further builds off it and townreads wigly for that exact reason, p#305 is solving and determining alignments that’s genuine because there’s no making friends with wigly or anything. he’s alienating scotty (who is now more likely to vote him). and he’s building off other people’s alignments and just solving around the single thing that he noticed. he’s also building off the d1 wagonomics which multiple players have commented that abbie was probably scum due to nobody going on her wagon, again solving multiple slots and giving thoughts gth. like i simply do not agree with anyone calling baker omgus’ing or anything, there’s depth of thought here

then he basically asks others what their scotty read was (which is again the opposite of an omgus), something something trying to solve his alignment and this isn’t directly targeting or appealing to anyone. it just feels like he believes that scotty is a wolf and is pushing it for the past 4-5 posts, where he’s solving under that assumption

don’t get me wrong, seeing one person and calling them lockwolf and solving around it is a very tunnel-y way of playing mafia which doesn’t actually result in many posts (believe me) but these horribly wrong players who are completely wrong usually end up being town. and i’m also thinking that scotty is just town like mr/stick/wigly. there’s just a density that you only have as town and these players are fairly one dimensional as town

baker follows up and explains his scumread of abbie (i’m fairly sure with original reasoning that is copied multiple times but don’t quote me)

p#407 is baker being upset that his reads are being misrepresented. and this is reactionary and not performatively. don’t get me wrong his read is an omgus but there’s nonetheless more thought in the omgus than i’d expect from a mafia and instead of changing his strategy or anything like a logical explanation he’s just frustrated because to him his accurate (probably not) reads have been misinterpreted and discounted. like i don’t think this guy can fake that depth and train of thought. everything adds up and if he was a line he’d be linear and not a polynomial, which is easy to follow

p#478 he goes on to townread mr for his treatment of scotty/himself and like i just find this post stupid towny. and he’s continuing to sort the game 8h later off his single scumread on scotty and worldbuilding off that. it’s the fact that he saw one thing and is attempting to solve the entire game based off that one thing to be towny and genuine. he just visibly lacks tmi i feel like although this can’t quite be phrased

p#583 i feel like after a bit baker realizing that his small scotty tunnel being wrong was extremely towny, like instead of doubling down he admits he might have overreacted and that scotty looks better. as a wolf you turn up the omgus you don’t sit like a duck with no thoughts and

demean your entire worldview (that was made based off one scotty read basically) and if you do you’re about to pull up some reads out of thin air. also in this post and the post after he’s just okay being chopped, in a nonchalant way, which is just the opposite of how he played at the start

think about the two emotional displays he’s expressed already, opposites and both for actually valid reasons. i feel like he’s reading what he can of the game and offers to get chopped more readily due to the fact that he’s lost. which is just the antithesis of what any subpar wolf does. a subpar wolf, even a decent wolf, reeks of tmi. and baker does not

he posts self meta wanting people to read it, assuming it’ll clear him. and posts a full readslist, and admits to not having a confident scumread on anyone

jesus fuck that sequence was absurdly towny, p#596, p#605, p#606. like these are very easy thought processes to follow and they’re not the thought processes of a wolf who wants to omgus the anyone who wants to suspect him. instead he accepted the fact that people found him to be scummy and posted self meta and reads and admitted to not having a strong scum case. i’ve done this entire sequence myself before in games and i’ve seen it before. it’s always towny because a wolf thinks about v different things

p#786 is towny, pure reads with the lingering suspicion of scotty and a new suspicion of stick. martin fell into this trap this game too. thinking that champs finals players are gods or something and have the full responsibility of solving a game. and they don’t but again he feels immortal and he’s not thinking about the repercussions or viabilities of his pushes. neither scotty nor stick would ever go over due to baker. as wolf long term and short term that’s just suicidal, what the fuck is the mafia plan? i don’t see any. and stick is honestly a fair suspicion

in conclusion i am once again very confident that baker is town. i can track his thought processes very well and all of it rings towny, it’s like i stepped into his brain and looked and saw that he got a green role card. to summarize all his thoughts and solving ring towny and there are clear progressions, self righteousness and extremes that are hard for mafia to fake

Ngl when you make wall posts with nonlinked post #’s, I check out.

But it sounds like you’re really committed to baker being town based on your pseudo tl;dr

Definitely a bold take on that slot in general. If baker is wolf (which I have him as slight town atm), I can def see you being a pair.

I forgot your position on the delta slot. What do you make of the afk theory?

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:26 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:56 am @Delta you despise creating difference check dichotomies - whyre you just agreeing with me on that when i havent even explained it yet
I'm not 100% on it but I think Wilgy's had some ??? moments but LC's walkback on the scumread on him was so jarring that there's a wolf between them but not 100% on who.

If one flipped town I'd reeval the other anyway but I think between them their play has felt weird enough that I dont think they're pure but also dont think they're w/w, more on LC's side than Wilgy's

ehhhhhh I don’t know about these conclusions

I think Wilgy is just town here. Subtle leanings toward LC is something. I feel like this is your only play tho if you’re bad

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:28 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:53 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:50 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:46 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:45 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm Theres 4 of you trying to kill my slot and my personal job is to make sure that either doesnt happen or it looks horrible for you all afterwards
hmmm
Dont hmmm me, reads, go
radishes scotty martin town, wilgy less sure on but not with LC. i also thought abbi sounded fine (now porscha)

you were fine before but the quoted bit looks fake

everyone else wolf
'Fine before' what before my slot wasnt here ?_?

Agreed with the town part on catchup, Wilgy/LC I can see being a diff check, what I've seen of Abi's posts so far feel eh so ? to that but I'll see how that goes once I'm done

Do we have any idea on ratio or is it just like. Hope there's not four wolves or something like that
There’s no way there are 4 wolves in this setup unless they literally have no NK power.

I mean, i guesssss that setup could exist but I’ve never heard of it. 4 wolves means we’re literally being manhandled by power wolves and we need to get rid of some of us too posters

*top

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:53 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:50 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:46 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:45 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm Theres 4 of you trying to kill my slot and my personal job is to make sure that either doesnt happen or it looks horrible for you all afterwards
hmmm
Dont hmmm me, reads, go
radishes scotty martin town, wilgy less sure on but not with LC. i also thought abbi sounded fine (now porscha)

you were fine before but the quoted bit looks fake

everyone else wolf
'Fine before' what before my slot wasnt here ?_?

Agreed with the town part on catchup, Wilgy/LC I can see being a diff check, what I've seen of Abi's posts so far feel eh so ? to that but I'll see how that goes once I'm done

Do we have any idea on ratio or is it just like. Hope there's not four wolves or something like that

There’s no way there are 4 wolves in this setup unless they literally have no NK power.

I mean, i guesssss that setup could exist but I’ve never heard of it. 4 wolves means we’re literally being manhandled by power wolves and we need to get rid of some of us too posters

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:50 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:46 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:45 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm Theres 4 of you trying to kill my slot and my personal job is to make sure that either doesnt happen or it looks horrible for you all afterwards
hmmm
Dont hmmm me, reads, go
radishes scotty martin town, wilgy less sure on but not with LC. i also thought abbi sounded fine (now porscha)

you were fine before but the quoted bit looks fake

everyone else wolf

Funny because that quote is the one that made me feel better about delta

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:46 am
Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:45 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm Theres 4 of you trying to kill my slot and my personal job is to make sure that either doesnt happen or it looks horrible for you all afterwards
hmmm
Dont hmmm me, reads, go

I have liked your entrance to be sure

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:37 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:26 am um
i'm gonna try to like. read at least some of the game before end of day tomorrow but i'm still not feeling well so no guarantees

is there someone who is like lock town in case I need to sheep vote tomorrow?
Consensus is that MR has their head on straight. I'd start there.
This is not a position I am used to being in. It's strange and I don't like it.

Not to be rutabaga, but sounds like a you problem. Should’ve tried being less towny

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:19 am Question for whoever while I catch up for a bit;

I die town, so what's causing the lack of kills?

Because I dont get the whole "oh afk wolf no kill" because it seems unlikely the factional would be assigned to one role specifically anyway

And it doesnt really feel like it holds up when the guy before me was here at some point. Not to mention that if you think my guy is afk with the sole ability to NK, why then hand it back to wolves by killing him over hunting outside of that slot?

I dunno. Would like to hear some theories ab the NK stuff there because it'll need to happen sooner or later and on a skim it feels like that's been wilfully ignored :P

He hasn’t posted since D1 if I’m seeing things correctly. So it definitely holds up

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:46 am I've caught up.

Someone let me know if we are voting Stick/LC or Delta.

Tyvm.

Gn.

I think we can afford any at this point. While I think solving the delta/poracha thoughr is preferable, I’d vote wherever consensus wants

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