The Syndicate

I'm not gonna ve around much today or this phase. Really saying I didn't respond well to the case is something I'm not a fan of just since timing wise I haven't had the well tjme.

I was town reading sloonie still want to, but seemed to be singularly focused on me and ik I'm civ.

If we want to stay within poe I'd say go for LC today shoot Marmot then give me a better chance to defend myself/dig around next day phase when I've got the time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:46 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:27 pm The argument still seems to be circular. Syn is bad because Wilgy is bad. Wilgy is bad because Syn is bad.
Yea, but really what's wrong with that? He essentially saved wilgy when we tried to cfd onto him?

I'd be fine putting a pin in that and pursuing someone else though also. but at some point think that needs to be resolved.
Several things are wrong with it that I’ve already mentioned.

There’s nothing else pointing to either of them being mafia.
If Syn is mafia he’s not likely to be in that position to begin with.
Made pushed hard for this angle all day yesterday.

Okay fine,

I'll admit made push was sketchy, believe i said that yesterday before voting made. That does throw a slight lwrench in my theory. But not enough imo to completely clear it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:27 pm The argument still seems to be circular. Syn is bad because Wilgy is bad. Wilgy is bad because Syn is bad.

Yea, but really what's wrong with that? He essentially saved wilgy when we tried to cfd onto him?

I'd be fine putting a pin in that and pursuing someone else though also.

but at some point think that needs to be resolved.

I completely disagree that it isn't scummy. But whatever I don't really wanna put further the effort atm to drive that case when we for sure have one other mafia member.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:34 pm I dont like that wilgy has now voted for me two days in a row and never gave any reasoning.
Is this a suspicion?
I'm not sure. I really want it to be syn/wilgy since I want the bragging rights. But, not quite sure that's right or if im tunneling.

Even if wilgy is just being a tunneling/disengaged civ I'm still unhappy about jt nothing I can do to ease his concern since their isnt any
What do you make of Made’s handling of each of them?

I think wilgy gets civ points, syn is null

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:33 pm And for syn maybe his Eod1 stuff isn't that bad if nobody else seems to think so. Though he'd still not be in my town core. Probably wouldn't want to lynch him today though
Why was syn’s End of Day 1 behavior indicative of a wolf?
Because a tie would let mafia control the lynch and would've thrown the game into further chaos and honeslty this theory is gonna stick for me until wilgy or syn flips.

I mean we're talking a last second swoop that saved wilgy, literally last second he cast his vote at 5 exactly. Right when we were discussing switching to wilgy. If I had switched as planned from cat to wilgy it would've been a 3 way tie which mafia would've picked.

I'd assume they'd do me, then we'd have wasted a phase on someone else.

Do you not agree inserting a vote last second onto another potential wagon and then giving the reasoning of first vote was a joke is a bit bad?
Okay but cat was getting chopped and was town. Why does it matter for the mafia team to force a tie to control that decision?

The only reason cat was chopped was since I couldn't switch off of them without causing a tie though

Though in hindsight I do find it a bit suspicious that Marmot is voting for wilgy. But, they're not engaging each other at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:34 pm I dont like that wilgy has now voted for me two days in a row and never gave any reasoning.
Is this a suspicion?

I'm not sure. I really want it to be syn/wilgy since I want the bragging rights. But, not quite sure that's right or if im tunneling.

Even if wilgy is just being a tunneling/disengaged civ I'm still unhappy about jt nothing I can do to ease his concern since their isnt any

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:33 pm And for syn maybe his Eod1 stuff isn't that bad if nobody else seems to think so. Though he'd still not be in my town core. Probably wouldn't want to lynch him today though
Why was syn’s End of Day 1 behavior indicative of a wolf?

Because a tie would let mafia control the lynch and would've thrown the game into further chaos and honeslty this theory is gonna stick for me until wilgy or syn flips.

I mean we're talking a last second swoop that saved wilgy, literally last second he cast his vote at 5 exactly. Right when we were discussing switching to wilgy. If I had switched as planned from cat to wilgy it would've been a 3 way tie which mafia would've picked.

I'd assume they'd do me, then we'd have wasted a phase on someone else.

Do you not agree inserting a vote last second onto another potential wagon and then giving the reasoning of first vote was a joke is a bit bad?

And seeing that tomorrow's Christmas I'd say there's a strong chance I won't really be around besides popping in so if we could settle on someone today that would probably be for the best.

And by someone I mean someone other than sig. :P

I dont like that wilgy has now voted for me two days in a row and never gave any reasoning.

And for syn maybe his Eod1 stuff isn't that bad if nobody else seems to think so. Though he'd still not be in my town core. Probably wouldn't want to lynch him today though

And I'm fairly certain I laid out all my reasoning for and against made throughout the day. And I'll stick with my assessment that I didn't think he'd flip mafia. But, voted for it based off zloonies case/him and samu being on the qagon

He does have some weird connections with made as well

Lc has been flying under the radar, but would mafia lc vote for sloonie

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:22 pm @sig why were you conflicted about made? What reasons did you have to town read him?

What is your current opinion on syn?

We were mind melding alot early on with samu and wilgy, he seemed more open to discussing mech/shots then other people, and his posts seemed genuine.

Also this is a bit more mech talk. But I think it would be odd if mafia hasn't gifted themselves coal. So I'd say jt would come down between marmot/wilgy for that

So if we assume wilgy is a civ. I'd say chances are high Marmot is a mafia member. With potentially lc. I'm not willing to reject the deep wolf argument all the way but should scout out other options first.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am 1. I've played recent games with Made so that's moot, its just still ongoing so cant really be discussed.
2. Why is it odd for me to "drag my feet" I was literally the only player engaged in the Made discussion ive been up front the entire time in everything just because I didn't jump on the wagon and sheep shouldn't mean anything.
3. I really hate that you just continue to dismiss or flat out ignore what I and others have said about syn and wilgy. Seems disingenuous.
1. Fair
2. You were not the only player engaged. My problem is that you did not seem to want to scrutinize Made. Your posts felt like you were increasingly being backed into a corner, rather than attempting to solve the game.
3. I am in no way ignoring what you've said about syn and wilgy. I talked about that a lot in my case against Made yesterday: I think the arguments did not make sense and, at least in Made's case, were bad faith. I disagree with them completely. And also, that's not the point of this exercise. I was ISOing players specifically for their interactions with Made. This is what I always do.
We can talk some more about Syn and Wilgy if you'd like. But my position is still what it was yesterday when we chopped Made, who was pushing Syn and Wilgy.

For 2

I was really the only player engaged that wasn't on the train and willing to switch. Now id say you're not wrong that my tone was backed into a corner since honestly I felt that way, but id argue it shouldn't be taken in a scum sense.

I knew I had to make a decision on made, which I hadn't being one of the fewer more active players I had to decide if I was fine with his lynch or thought he was cov which would've required me to go deeper into a counter wagon. I was struggling alot last phase placing him and actually found him rather compelling. But. I think you're reading into what I was doing wrong.

If we jettison all the tin foil I'd say I look the civvest out of the remaining players. All I was doing last phase was trying to figure out where I stood on Made and provide an alternative option if I decided he wasn't mafia. I also feel like I did more scum hunting outside of the made/sloonie argument.

I'd also say my switch may not ve enough to give me town credit. But, also shouldn't be enough to get me lynched. Think about it this way mafia team had 3 people only 3 players were on made wagon and there were other players already voted. Mafia could've easily tied it up, assuming none of the first 3 voters on made were teammates and axe the other player.

And ik this is a bit of a wifom argument. But really seems like you're not looking at the whole picture when it comes to me and just Made

Samusamu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:25 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:59 pm And I could see a case by you, but imo there are alot better lynch targets today for sloonie he also only seemed to have looked at me. Just seems a bit sketchy.
Oh, well do the case!

Maybe you convice me to vote myself

No I'm saying I could see you making the case on me. But, not sloonie given what he said previous days

And I could see a case by you, but imo there are alot better lynch targets today for sloonie he also only seemed to have looked at me. Just seems a bit sketchy.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:53 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:14 pm Look ive had so called "crazy" theories before.

Best example was last year's game of champions where I knew Mac as a mafia member silenced me night 1 nobody believed me even when I essentially named the entire team and they went on to win.

The fact sloonie is so quick to just dismiss what happened eod 1 with syn and not even mention Marmot case is odd. Now all of them can't be mafia but hes gone to great length to protect wilgy it seems like. He's also known for bussing.

I'm not at the point where I think we should lynch sloonie today but he knows I have a history of being an easy mislynch and I really dont like how he set up his pov.
You werent linched yesterday or d1.

D1 i wanted your head, but you look and defend yourself better than cat.

Today you are defending yourself and having time to put your thoughts in order in case you are town.

But to insinuate that because you are usually easy to lynch, you shouldn't be seen in d3 for your interactions and other reads like Alison's, is something that insults my competitive spirit.

I've got no issue defending myself but when someone who's played with me for years doesn't even bother to look at my entire game, instead just going for made and throwing a vote there it's worth bringing up.

Especially since imo I don't look bad at all from it.

For the mafia kill we can go back and forth on that forever but I don't think it makes sense to waste the kill d1 when they only get one. So I've been operating with the assumption it was a misshoot by civs.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:24 am Also you should be familiar enough with my meta to know as mafia I'd either hard defend made or throw him under early. I was waffling on my read since i legit couldn't make up my mind on him.
m e t a

Shhh

Look ive had so called "crazy" theories before.

Best example was last year's game of champions where I knew Mac as a mafia member silenced me night 1 nobody believed me even when I essentially named the entire team and they went on to win.

The fact sloonie is so quick to just dismiss what happened eod 1 with syn and not even mention Marmot case is odd. Now all of them can't be mafia but hes gone to great length to protect wilgy it seems like. He's also known for bussing.

I'm not at the point where I think we should lynch sloonie today but he knows I have a history of being an easy mislynch and I really dont like how he set up his pov.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:09 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:46 am And im not sure how I feel about GS theory, but at the same time I can't see why sloonie is still alive if he's a civ. And he's hard bussed teammates before very recently and made it to end game because of it.

@Marmot what do you think
The mafia made sure to kill alison n1 and now they can't just do it.

Why do you think the mafia did that though? Multiple people said they shot her

And this push on me feels very disingenuous

And im not sure how I feel about GS theory, but at the same time I can't see why sloonie is still alive if he's a civ. And he's hard bussed teammates before very recently and made it to end game because of it.

@Marmot what do you think

Also you should be familiar enough with my meta to know as mafia I'd either hard defend made or throw him under early. I was waffling on my read since i legit couldn't make up my mind on him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:57 am Sig & Made

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sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:48 pm Also I'll be back to reevaluate and take a deeper look at samu after work today.

Other random thoughts

Made may be trying to budd/pocket me, not a fan of this slight ping.

Wilgy makes an interesting point without straying to deep down the meta hole i think we can accurately say at least one mafia member is a TS native. Still iffy on him.

I don't think sloonie is on samu team that's mainly gut though.
"Made may be trying to pocket me" which is an alleged ping. Keeps the door open to arbitrary Wilgy suspicion. Sloonei and Samu are not partners. Cool. How does this Made read progress?

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sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:54 am Mew, made and sloonie look good right now,

LC is slanking a bit and that pings me
Made looks good. Okay. Why? Made's most recent posts before this one were pushes on cat and samu. I think neither looked good.

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sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:24 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:12 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:57 pm may it please the court:

made
syn
kyle
sig
sloonei

GS
alison
mew
cat

wilgy
samu
iso'd alison and updated

cat alison interactions look good, alison sig interactions look bad.
sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:02 pm [VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

This doesn't seem like your civ game st all. I don't think your vote on me is genuine. In fact you were taking advantage of samu vote to try and get a wagon started.
which post looks different? what are your reads generally?
Someone else also said this. But she's not attempting to be a town leader really and even more damning is the lack of any desire to talk mechanics.

She's also being alot more nitpicky and only seems to be focusing in on me which isn't what I saw from previous games from her.
Sig responds to Made's generic prod RE: Alison with a decidedly negative stance. Okay.

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sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:27 pm Quick read list atm in no order

Town
Sloonie
Lc
Mew

Town lean
Made
Samu
Syn

Null
Falcon

Scum lean
Kyle
Wilgy
Cat

Scum
Alison
Made is a "town lean" with Samu and Syn. Noting that Long Scheme is a top town read for sig as well. What is happening here?
"Scum leans" are Kyle, wilgy, and cat. That wilgy read is dubious, as always. I don't know why the Kyle read exists.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:00 pm I'm leery of a Made lynch I'll review the cases today but he seems to be playing within his normal civ meta.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:01 pm I'd say he'd be a good present target also (Made) but jd prefer to lynch syn/wilgy since if ones mafia I'm certain they both are
I was pleading with everyone to acknowledge my Made case and it finally started to gain traction. Sig didn't seem to like that, but he can't bring himself to outright defend Made. I have no idea why he thinks Made would be better suited for a shot-in-the-dark nightkill than a chop.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:37 pm Made would probably be my secondary counterwagon to Syn, Wilgy should only be lynched/shot if Syn is mafia. Otherwise alot of the reasoning for me would be gone.

Now I'd prefer to lynch Syn for the shot dynamics. If Syn is civ shoot Made. If Syn is mafia shoot Wilgy. Either way I'd say we'd be down 1-2 mafia members. Since I don't see a world where all 3 are civs based off the cases made.
Made is distinctly not Sig's priority. Noted.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:07 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:41 pm Also I know it's the holiday, but the thread is very stagnate. Which makes me wonder if we're going in the complete wrong direction here.
Talk about made.
I'm torn. So, I think you raised some good points I especially find the mew/made connection a bit weird. But he's had the same views as I do with Wilgy and Samu which earns him some town points.

From a meta view there isn't alot to go on for me he's always been harder for me to get an angle on, but as far as what I've seen it seems more in line with his civ game.

The biggest thing that's making me a bitch sketchy is how his opinion on me evolved, it seems like he was buddying me D1, then when I mentioned I was pinged a bit he suddenly finds me more scummy.
I disliked this post and it was where I really started to suspect a sig/made pairing. Sig's hesitance is right there on his face, and the point he chooses to emphasize ("the mew/made connection") was hardly a primary piece of my argument against Made and, as we now know, it is one that obviously would have given him a nice easy scapegoat today in the aftermath of Made's flip.
I was also skeptical of sig's citation of Made's meta. It's been a while since Made played. I have a hard time buying that sig has a distinct working memory of the differences between Made's town/mafia metas.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:15 pm I also disagree with you on Syn, regardless of anything else that's scummy.

Honestly the biggest reason I'd switch to Made is since you're so sure of it and i've basically got you down as a lock civ

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:15 pm Okay, Imma reread the entire Sloonie vs Made thing real fast
First, sig continues to push Syn while all of this is happening.
Second, Sig has reluctantly come along to offer the most tentative possible support of the Made case on the basis of my confidence in the read. No mention of specific points (such as the mew/made connection, for instance), just citation of my read. But then, after that, he says he'll go and read the case. Which... if he hasn't done that yet then why's he agreeing with aspects of it? Bad post from sig.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:28 pm I'm like 60/40 on Made, I do think Sloonie comes off alot better in their discussion and made does look worse, but I'm also very confident in my Syn read.

I also like how confident you are on this, but I'm waffling.

My biggest issues with Made stem from the fact he did seem a bit opportunistic with Samu and how he waffled on me. Plus he didn't respond to Sloonie's case very well.
Sig continues to drag his feet toward Made's inevitable chop. But he won't let go of Syn.
His "biggest issue" with Made has changed now to his treatment of Samu. The connection to mewtini is not mentioned. This feels like a false progression.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:47 pm So did a quick reread of made, since I'm aware the clock is running out.

I'm still worried this could be town/town, at the same time
1. i don't see sloonie or samu dropping this so it needs to be resolved and we still can loose a civ and be fine number wise.
2. Sloonie is a solid town read and samu is a moderate town read, so I don't think this is a case of mafia trying to redirect onto made
3. The more I read over Made day 1 action the less I like it specifically how he seemed to partly use me as a reason to vote for samu and my argument around mechanjc but then dropped it d2 and said that didn't make me seem civil. I don't see how that can coexist if he was scum reading samu for opposing my shot idea/me. But then also doesn't clear me for it.
Made's chop is inevitable at this point. Sig says so himself. This feels a bit more strained than it should: I don't really buy it at all when Sig says that his Syn suspicion is as strong or stronger than the argument against Made. By his own admission, the Syn case is flawed, but he refuses to let go of it for no particular reason.

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sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:26 pm [VOTE: made] aubergine

I'm not really sold on this lynch tbh, not very confident he's gonna flip mafia but. There's enough that I do see the case sloonie made and I do trust him totally. We also do need to resolve it and can't really trust the gift to 100% go to either him or syn.

I do think we should shoot syn though.
He votes for Made ~30 minutes before EoD. I still feel like he's straining here. This is not the vote he wants to cast (he spends too much time justifying the vote in ways that don't actually involve Made), but he has no other choice.

At this point I will be surprised if sig is town.

I'll respond to this more later, but honeslty it's a weak case.

1. I've played recent games with Made so that's moot, its just still ongoing so cant really be discussed.
2. Why is it odd for me to "drag my feet" I was literally the only player engaged in the Made discussion ive been up front the entire time in everything just because I didn't jump on the wagon and sheep shouldn't mean anything.
3. I really hate that you just continue to dismiss or flat out ignore what I and others have said about syn and wilgy. Seems disingenuous.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:59 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:41 pm But then again Sig helper kill Made.

BUT I WANT TO YEET SIG!!!

Mean
I'm just jelly of your looks.

I mean that makes sense.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:55 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:49 pm Wilgy stop tunneling:p

Or at least give me a reason
U have been tunneling syn and wilgy, tell me why they shouldnt tunel on you?

Yea but like, I'm right.

Annnnnd ive mainly been tunneling on syn

Wilgy stop tunneling:p

Or at least give me a reason

I'm just popping in, but I'll be back later

I'll give sloonie credit here, I wasn't convinced made was had even up to the lynch. I've thought more oj syn and I cant shake the gut read plus eod1

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:41 pm But then again Sig helper kill Made.

BUT I WANT TO YEET SIG!!!

Mean

We'll see alot of people didn't reallt show up today which is meh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:57 pm If Made is mafia, I think sig might be his teammate. I’m not saying that’s definitely, and we’re obviously still waiting on made’s flip. But the way this phase has gone feels like it is pointing that way.

The setup is such that an aggressive mafia team can nearly wrap it up tonight. We started at 9 vs 3. Coal eliminates one player from voting each day. Assuming they are targeting civilians with that, then we actually started at 8 vs. 3 in terms of eligible voters. A mischop and a successful nightkill puts it at 6 vs 3. Another lump of coal for a civilian makes it 5 vs 3 right now.

If we mischop today and the mafia team avoids nightkills and gifts a lump of coal to a civilian, they outnumber us on Day 3. They can singularly push for a mischop today to put themselves in a position to achieve that goal. They don’t have the numbers to do it on their own yet, but a coordinated push would be the correct play for a team that wants to win as quickly as possible.

Sig and Maid have both pushed for Syn/Wilgy today. The argument is flimsy at best. They’ve dragged their feet when it comes to discussing each other. Sig has finally voted for Made today, but it took a lot of verbiage to get him there, and I feel ad though I’ve basically strong-armed the thread into this Made wagon.

Mewtini could be teammate #3. Made’s town read on her was way overstated for her level of participation, and there was an implicit defense of her in his response to me. She has voiced suspicion of Made but has taken zero steps toward manifesting any sort of pressure on him, and seems to have shifted to a more pro-made stance today. I do not know that she has had a whole lot to say about sig/syn/wilgy.

I would not take any of this to the bank if Made flips mafia. We would still need to do the work of analyzing player interactions. If we are right today, that is what our energy should be spent on Day 3.

Independent of all associations, Made is the most suspicious player in the thread right now.

Id counter this in that I talked about made alot but qe can discuss post flip depending how it goes.

We'll have interactions to look at also so that may shift the game. But this wouldn't clear syn just maybe make eod1 look less damming

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:11 pm Please give me your most biased accounts of each case as you can muster and I will vote accordingly
Made is mafia. He made wilgy get coal.
amazing, what about the other two
Syn is mafia for his D1 EOD action + my gut/meta read. I'm abandoning that wagon atm, but plan to pursue it next phase.
What if made flips mafia?

The tunnler in me wants to say deep wolf, but that seems kind of illogical to me given the set up, guess I'd say more of a mafia lean read that should ve discussed still.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:11 pm Please give me your most biased accounts of each case as you can muster and I will vote accordingly
Made is mafia. He made wilgy get coal.
amazing, what about the other two

Syn is mafia for his D1 EOD action + my gut/meta read. I'm abandoning that wagon atm, but plan to pursue it next phase.

If made does flip mafia we do have a solid town core which'll ge nice

[VOTE: made] aubergine

I'm not really sold on this lynch tbh, not very confident he's gonna flip mafia but. There's enough that I do see the case sloonie made and I do trust him totally. We also do need to resolve it and can't really trust the gift to 100% go to either him or syn.

I do think we should shoot syn though.

I wanna illogically tunnel on syn which is my God given right!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:06 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:41 pm I continue to see absolutely no reason why wilgy has to be mafia.
Wilgy is mafia if syn is.
From my perspective, this argument feels very circular.
“Wilgy is mafia if syn is mafia”, but then the argument against Syn seems to he “he saved wilgy”, and if that’s the case then the argument for Syn is actually “Syn is mafia if wilgy is mafia.”

And I don’t think either of them has done anything that points to them being mafia.

I dont like how logical your being.

Id really like someone outside of made/his wagon to weight in

I'm also a bit paranoid him and syn are distancing

So did a quick reread of made, since I'm aware the clock is running out.

I'm still worried this could be town/town, at the same time
1. i don't see sloonie or samu dropping this so it needs to be resolved and we still can loose a civ and be fine number wise.
2. Sloonie is a solid town read and samu is a moderate town read, so I don't think this is a case of mafia trying to redirect onto made
3. The more I read over Made day 1 action the less I like it specifically how he seemed to partly use me as a reason to vote for samu and my argument around mechanjc but then dropped it d2 and said that didn't make me seem civil. I don't see how that can coexist if he was scum reading samu for opposing my shot idea/me. But then also doesn't clear me for it.

I feel like I'm doing a bad job explaining my logic here.

The idea is we almost switched to wilgy and syn stopped it last second. I was mainly switching to wilgy based off mew, an iffy d1, and not reallt feeling the car lynxh.

So basically for now I'm not using that to go after wilgy, my main gripe is syn eod behavior. If syn isn't mafia then the whole wilgy thing goes out the window

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:41 pm I continue to see absolutely no reason why wilgy has to be mafia.

Wilgy is mafia if syn is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:29 pm I'm gonna carve out like 20 minutes do a quick ISO of Made instead of just reading through the argument, then pop back in again.

I'm assuming there's no way @Samusamu @Sloonei would switch to Syn today?
i'm leaving in 2 seconds and currently think that all the arguments I've seen against Syn are nonsense. I'm not saying he's lock town, but it would take something huge to sway me there.

Plus I am very firmly reading Made as mafia.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:21 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:17 pm oh you're right, EOD is imminent

guess I need to switch from my joke vote

to uh...

to... uh...
maybe I'll just stay on Wilgy

So my idea here is that the only reason he moved off Wilgy is since Wilgy is also mafia and we were in the process of switching from Cat to Wilgy. So Cat wouldn't have been lynched since the votes would've shifted like this

Cat had 4 I'd have moved off Cat making it 3 vs Wilgy 4 and Sig at 2

Syn switched off Wilgy which made it 2 and I was at 3 Cat still at 4. BUT, if I had switched from Cat to Wilgy like I was planning to it would've been a 3 way tie.

The fact he waited until the very last second to switch is my problem since we were in the middle of a last second CFD onto Wilgy and basically needed Syn's vote to pull it off otherwise we'd have been sitting ina 3 way tie. Mafia would've left Cat alive so we'd lynch them next day ect.

I'm gonna carve out like 20 minutes do a quick ISO of Made instead of just reading through the argument, then pop back in again.

I'm assuming there's no way @Samusamu @Sloonei would switch to Syn today?

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